MMA Thread

[Terra Ryzin]

so seems there a quite a few mma fans here

instead of using old topics maybe we can keep this one up to discuss anything mma, trade videos, event/dvd reviews whatever..

[Terra Ryzin]

pretty funny story

Heath Herring (Pictures) will no longer have to add a disqualification loss to the indignity of being kissed on the lips by Yoshihiro Nakao (Pictures).

Japanese fight promotion HERO's announced on its Web site Monday that because both Herring and Nakao committed fouls — Nakao's kiss and Herring's subsequent knockout punch before the opening bell — the event's rule director, Hajime Isono, revised the official result from a Herring DQ to No Contest.

Prior to the start of their New Year's Eve bout, Nakao inexplicably kissed Herring on the lips as they received final instructions in the center of the ring. The 27-year-old American responded with the now-infamous right hook and clipped Nakao's jaw, dropping him on the spot.

Seeing Nakao fail to recover sufficient enough to fight, HERO's ruled Herring's actions warranted his disqualification. (credit sherdog.com)


i was wondering where herring was, i think the ufc needs to try and bring him in.

[Rob]

How can they? Guys in Japan have massive contracts and aside from Rampage, none of them are near coming up for renewal.

[Crimson]

I've never seen PRIDE. Whats the difference between them and UFC?

[Terra Ryzin]

PRIDE is basicaly the UFC of Japan. it is huge over their. some differences are pride uses a ring instead of the octagon, elbows are not allowed but stomping a down opp is. 1 10 min round 2 five opposed to three 5 in the ufc. many fighters have fought in both pride and ufc. pride also does tournament stlye events along with regular cards.

if your into the ufc i suggest picking up a few pride dvd's. ill post some good ones later on

[Rob]

And in comparison in terms of size, Pride is the WWF to UFC being between WCW in it's worse days and ECW in it's best.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Fedor Emelianenko> Everyone in the world.

Who could possibly dethrone that fucking monster? Any guesses?

[Rob]

Fedor Emelianenko> Everyone in the world.

Who could possibly dethrone that fucking monster? Any guesses?

The Hulk maybe. Nobody under 8ft tall and human though.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Pretty sure Fedor would ground and pound the Hulk and beat him via tko due to cut.

[Rob]

Hulk doesn't bleed does he?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Fedor will make him bleed, whether he bleeds or not.

[McDoogle]

Fedor Emelianenko is a fucking beast.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I just recently started watching pride, with the internet and so forth. But I've seen a ton of fights, particularly of Fedor's. Man I love watching him pound the fuck out of Noguiera in the first fight of theirs, simply because their was so much tension, and fucking Bas Rutten was like "Omfg if he stays on the ground he's gonna get caught in a submission because Minotauro has beaten everyone" and Fedor wouldlike let Nog put him in a submission, and breakit at will, and hit him in the face 3 times for good measure. Glorious fight :cool:

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Could someone please tell me the name of his theme music :(

[Terra Ryzin]

if your getting into PRIDE they have 2 sets out. one is pride 1-5 the other 6,7,8,9,11. they are only like 25 bucks each. alot of the fights suck but there are some real good one. also a 3rd set is coming march 21(?) i think, its 12,13,14,15,16. good price for the history aspect of it alone

[Terra Ryzin]

UFC 58 - MARCH 4TH AT MANDALAY BAY, LAS VEGAS NEVADA

Rich Franklin vs. David Loiseau (Middleweight Title)

BJ Penn vs. Georges St. Pierre (Welterweights)

Diego Sanchez vs. John Alessio (Welterweights)

Yves Edwards vs. Mark Hominick (Lightweights)

Mike Swick vs. Steve Vigneault (Middleweights)

Kenny Florian vs. Sam Stout (Lightweights)

Nathan Marquardt vs. Joe Doerksen (Middleweights)

Jason Lambert vs. Rob MacDonald (Light Heavyweights)

Tom Murphy vs. Christophe Midoux (Heavyweig

thats the official card as per mmaweekly.com


Yves Edwards :D :D

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Penn vs. St. Pierre is by far the most intriguing. It's really a tough call on who is going to win. Does Georges have what it takes? it's a tough call really, but since he's repping Canada I'm gonna say he'll win.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

2 names you type in if you go to google video or youtube. Fedor Emelianenko, or Takanori Gomi.

2 best pound for pound fighters in the world. Well Fedor isn't even the best pound for pound, he is just the best everything fighter.

[Crimson]

Is UFC making up a new lightweight division? Don't know if i like the idea of yet another belt being made up.

[Rob]

I think they should. What's the point in having the division without a championship belt?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Jens Pulver will definitely be the champ. Noone else in America can compete with him.

[Crimson]

I jus think it kinda waters down the competition. They should keep it how it is.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Not really. The lightweights are incredible fighters, lightning quick, and powerful as well. Takanori Gomi fucking hits like he's 225, except he's 160

[AareDub]

Can't wait for UFC 58. Both main event fights should be incredible. I just hope we get a solid fight out of Franklin/Louiseau that doesn't end really quick because of a cut (i.e. I hope Louiseau uses more skill than elbow).

[Terra Ryzin]

I jus think it kinda waters down the competition. They should keep it how it is.


if you've seen Gomi, Pulver, Yves ect. i bet you would think different

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Can't wait for UFC 58. Both main event fights should be incredible. I just hope we get a solid fight out of Franklin/Louiseau that doesn't end really quick because of a cut (i.e. I hope Louiseau uses more skill than elbow).

Man, I like Louiseaux and everything, he's a very skilled fighter, but he isn't that special. Franklin will probably win via dominating for 3 rounds.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

sorry 5

[Rob]

Although I'll go with Franklin, I don't think Louiseau will be dominated at all.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Louiseaux is not as exciting as he's billed ot be though. I like him, he is explosive when he wants to be, but I've seen him mail it in before. I was watching this fight in TKO and he won the first 2 rounds with some half decent ground and pound, and in the third round literally danced for 5 minutes, it was fucking awful. And he also has lost to Jorge Rivera, who was not what I would call impressive against Chris Leben. Louiseaux is good, but he's not near the next level. I mean fuck look at who he's beat, there was the one jobber in his first fight that I didn't see, and there was Charles McCarthy...who the fuck is Charles McCarthy?

I'm not discrediting the guy, he is really acrobatic, and he can be devestating, but he is not an elite guy and I think Franklin will more than likely take him to school. If Franklin doesn't, I think Franklin should watch out for Leben or Cote, because fuck...those are 2 heavy hitters that could run the division given the chance.

[AareDub]

And he also has lost to Jorge Rivera, who was not what I would call impressive against Chris Leben.

Franklin very nearly lost to Rivera as well. He managed to pull off a submission in the final round, but it was close.

[Terra Ryzin]

PRIDE is on best damn sports show all this week on fox sports

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Franklin very nearly lost to Rivera as well. He managed to pull off a submission in the final round, but it was close.

Yeah I know about that...it's kind of wierd to think how easily he was brushed off by Leben. I think Chris should fight the loser of this one to put him in line for a title fight, because he is hard as fuck.

[Terra Ryzin]

i cant wait for 58. i see gsp over bj and ace stopping the crow. yves is the man but i dont know about his opp. so i cant realy say.

Nathan Marquardt vs. Joe Doerksen can be a great fight also, i think i like Doerksen here.

i realy looking foward to seeing swick, real good hands.

as much as i dont like him diego is good, real good. another w for him

[Crimson]

I think Franklin wins it in the 1st round, late by KO. Yea Diego looks like the real deal..can't wait to see him against guys like GSP, Hughes, if it gets to that point.

[Rob]

I'm sold on Diego. He is definately the real deal when he can wrestle and throw super fast elbows on the ground.

[McLegend]

Joe Rogan can kill you.

http://www.break.com/movies/roganfaint.html

[hatorian]

david loiseau is a good fighter and that's not a fight I'd wanna put money on. I'd still bet on Franklin if I had to but I don't doubt loiseau can pull that one off. I don't know if GSP can win against Penn but it would definitely be a good match.

[Rob]

I prefer GSP but I'm betting on BJ Penn.

[Crimson]

Diaz/Sherk rumored at ufc 59. Bad matchup for Diaz to break out of a losing streak , Sherk is similiar to Sanchez' game, Diaz will have to keep it standing up.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

In case anyone was wondering, Fedor's badass entrance theme is Ennae Volare Mezzo by Era.

[hatorian]

I got from a UFC fan article.

Georges St. Pierre Vs. BJ Penn
The prodigy vs Rush. This one is going to be the one to watch. Not just because it is a lead up to something, but because both fighters have something to prove. Rush is trying to prove she should face Matt Hughes again for a belt after a defeat, and Penn is trying to prove he should face Hughes again after he left the belt and beat Hughes. Can Rush beat one of the few men to have made Hughes Tap? I think he can. I am going out on a limb and saying that GSP will TKO or KO Penn. Why? Well when you look at the numbers you will see that GSP is actually better on paper for stats. He has lost one fight and that was to Hughes. He has thrown down with some big wigs and he takes them out by tap or KO . Penn has a great record as well, but he has left more guys loss up to a judge than GSP and even his wins were not entirely one sided recently. Okay, so you have to beat the man to be the man, and Penn has beat the man, but GSP has some speed and youth on his side. Penn has never faced as unorthodox a fighter as GSP as well. I am saying GSP will beat Penn?70/30 chance of that happening. Still close, but GSP to win?quote me on that!

[Rob]

All this GSP talk is making me think Penn will win even more.

[hatorian]

Well im seeing this on the Spike Tv commercial... UFC: All Access... I see Rachelle leah is the host of this show? and it will feature the great fighter - it says here - http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=2258 - well after Franklin i hope they would feature Couture (after all he has retired, but he made a mark on UFC) Gracie, Penn, Etc..

[AareDub]

I just saw the Penn/Hughes fight for the first time today. I'm officially like 10x more excited about Penn/GSP now. I can't help but be a fan of both, though I'm a fan of Hughes as well. I guess its a win/win/win situation for me. Either way it goes, these 3 guys are going to be at the top of the division for a while.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

All this GSP talk is making me think Penn will win even more.

It's a tough call really. If St. Pierre doesn't go in there trying to ko Penn and make him look like an ass I think he can win. If he goes in too agressive, Penn will make him pay. He has to be smart in this situation, wait to get into his groove if you will, or else Penn is going to tap him out.

[Rob]

I rate both fighters hightly but I seriously believe a lot of people are underestimating Penn. I did it when he fought Matt Hughes and there's no way I'll make the same mistake twice.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I'm in no way under-estimating Penn, it's a 50/50 chance...Penn is one hard motherfucker...he lost a questionable decision to Ryoto Machida, in a fucking heavyweight fight. I saw that fight, and that was a draw at best for Machida, and Machida has stopped Franklin and Bonnar at 205.

Also he handled Gomi with ease a few years back, I mean he left Gomi a bloody mess, and absolutely dominated him all over the place, standing, ground, submissions...everying. And there's the obvious assraping of Matt Hughes, where he made Hughes look like he should be fighting prelims for the ufc nevermind being their welterweight champion.

But St. Pierre is a dominant force...sure he lost to Hughes, but he's gotten about a billion times better since then, and in that fight he was dominating until Hughes got lucky. It is really intriguing, and I think both guys should be very weary of both men's abilities to end a fight. Look at St. Pierre's last 3 fights as well; absolute dominance of that Mayhem Miller guy, which you could tell Georges was half asleep for. He then proceeded to make Frank Trigg look like he's never trained for a fight in his life, and dominated him more than Matt Hughes ever did. Lastly there was his fight with Sean Sherk, who is no slouch either, and George absolute made mincemeat out of him. You could hear Sherk groan when Georges broke his nose.

These are two extremely, extremely bad dudes going up against one another. It is a 50/50 chance for either, but I'm going to go with Georges, just because I want him to win, to represent Canada, plus I want guys to come over from Japan to fight St. Pierre, for some new exciting Welterweight fights. If Penn wins and beats Hughes, we're basically in the same situation we were a few years back.

Mind you I am a new MMA fan, but with the power of Google video and Youtube, as well as UFC Unleashed, I know my shit and have seen A LOT of fights.

[Crimson]

I agree , I jus think it might be GSP's time to shine, and this could be the first step towards a rematch with Hughes.

[hatorian]

Well seems like GSP and Penn is the highlight of UFC:58 :)

Is it just me or... Is Diego taking a step down in competition? HE beat Nick Diaz at the second finale now he gets Alessio at 58. Thats what i dont like about the whole canada vs usa thing. They seem to have made forced bouts. Diego should be fighting Sherk imo.

[Rob]

They should have done the PPV in Montreal. That's the only bad thing I can say about it.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Oh man, it'd be electric if St. Pierre took on Penn in Montreal. Same for Loiseaux vs. Franklin

[hatorian]

Here is an interview of Loiseau about the UFC:58 USA vs Canada. - http://video.ufc.tv/canadatour.wmv - just a short clip of the interview.

[Rob]

Oh man, it'd be electric if St. Pierre took on Penn in Montreal. Same for Loiseaux vs. Franklin

You know it. It was pretty friggin good in London where MMA wasn't even known at the time and aside from Ian Freeman, nobody outside hardcore MMA fans had even remotely heard of any British fighters.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

You know it. It was pretty friggin good in London where MMA wasn't even known at the time and aside from Ian Freeman, nobody outside hardcore MMA fans had even remotely heard of any British fighters.

What's the situation with Lee Murray anyways, has he recovered yet? I've never seen him fight, but I've seen pictures, and he's one hard looking motherfucker.

[Rob]

Oh dude he is sooo bad ass.

Basically he is out of hospital after being stabbed in the heart. And I don't know how the fuck he managed this but he is actually in training for a fight. I think around April but not too sure. UFC are dying to get him back but he can't get into the U.S

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

http://www.onzuka.com/Photos/Lee%20Murray.jpg

fuck I would not mess with him.

[Rob]

I left the UFC after party in London like 45 minutes before him and Tito fought in the streets. My mates were calling me the next day and were like "oh Lee knocked out Tito Ortiz! it was fucking ruuuuuuuuuude!!!!". Me - :(

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Why did shit start between them, what was the story?/what happened in the fight aside from Murray koing Ortiz?

[Rob]

I don't know the details really. I've heard plenty of stories but I only go by what my friends told me since they were there. They said Lee was totally sober and Tito was kinda drunk and it was a joke that got out of hand so they went outside to fight (both in dress shoes and trousers) and Lee unloaded kinda on the blind side and KO'd Tito.

Edit - And when I say KO, it was like he knocked him down and then people pulled him away and picked Tito up.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

well it's still impressive being that Tito has quite a bit of weight on him.

[Rob]

Yeah but on the flip side, any sober man who fights for a living could probably KO a bigger fighter who is drunk.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Depends how drunk he was lol

[hatorian]

Here is an interview of Loiseau about the UFC:58 USA vs Canada. - http://video.ufc.tv/canadatour.wmv - just a short clip of the interview.
^^^ this is tonight at 10pm on Spike Tv.

[McLegend]

Franklin is a beast, and that girl was hot

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah Franklin was intense.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Bonnar vs. Jardine at the next Ultimate Fight Night. That'll be a good one, both are pretty aggressive and like to bang.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Oh and PRIDE Unbreakable is on tonight, not gonna watch it though :(, it'll probably be pretty decent, tons of mismatches.

[hatorian]

That All Access last thursday, I couldn't place where I had seen his house and gym before. It was on the Beyond the Glory special Franklin was in.

Can't wait for the The Crow vs Ace fight on March 4... Also the Penn vs. GSP will be great for sure.

[AareDub]

I had my DVR set to record the Pride shows on FSN. I usually only see one pop up on the list evey few weeks, but I checked my recorded shows for the week and there were like 5 or 6 on this week. Sweet!

[hatorian]

Rich Franklin Vs. David Loiseau
On paper this one looks great. Franklin and Loiseau should be neck and neck with Rich ahead by a bit. But you have the X factors. First off Rich has a heavy fist and looks for the Ko, David is more prone to being fluid and trying to submit or KO the guy. Rich is a dirty boxer with good striking skills but fairly run of the mill. David is way out of left field with his tactics and Rich has never faced someone like this. I am not going to guess on this one outright. I would say that if David comes with his uniquely his A game he has a 70% chance of getting Rich. But my gut is going with Rich on this one. I would say he is about a 60/40 favorite to win.

[AareDub]

Odds on Loiseau right now are +230, that sounds like a pretty good bet just on the chance he might land some elbows and win with a stoppage. Very tempted.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I find GSP vs. BJ Penn to be the far more intriguing fight myself.

[Crimson]

Why the hell isn't Babalu getting a title shot yet..he's scheduled to fight in UFC 60..but it ain't Lidell! I wonder who Chuck's next opponent will be then.

[hatorian]

Im really waiting for the GSP vs Penn in this fight... It will be one hell of a night... cuz I think the GSP - Penn fight will be the the fight of the night.

[Rob]

Why the hell isn't Babalu getting a title shot yet..he's scheduled to fight in UFC 60..but it ain't Lidell! I wonder who Chuck's next opponent will be then.

Why isn't it Babalu then?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Man, did anyone watch the Mark Hunt fight at Pride 31? fuck that guy can entertain. Can't wait for him to fight fedor...he'll lose but it'll be a good fight if/when it happens.

[hatorian]

I'll go Franklin over Crow but like others said i wouldn't be so suprised if the crow go it.

BJ over GSP altho GSP is the mofoin MAN.

Sanchez vs Alessio is CANCELLED. Due to illness concerning Sanchez.

[hatorian]

Another fight is cancelled Florian vs Stout. Florian is complaining about his back pains in this past few weeks so UFC cancelled the fight. Anyway at least the 2 main bouts are still in there. The bets on GSP vs Penn are equal.

[Rob]

Are we doing predictions for the show?

[Innovator]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=F1jJZIwJ_JM&search=chuck%20liddell

Liddell/Couture III for those who haven't seen it yet

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol does anyone think it's a bad omen for Forrest Griffin that they're calling UFC: 59, where he's headlining against Tito, "Reality Check". Whatever, he has it in him to win, so we'll wait and see.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

PREDICTIONS TONIGHT:

crow vs. ace- I like both guys, and I'm pulling for the Crow, but if I bet, I'd bet on Franklin. He's just the better fighter, and I have a strong feeling he's going to prove it tonight. I give this fight to Franklin in a 3rd round ko, in a hard fought struggle. Though Crow (hopefully) could catch him with one of those shredding elbows and take it on the cut, which would be awesome lol.

Penn vs. Georges- man I've got no idea really, I wanna say Georges because I like him...but fuckit, this is BJ Penn we're talking about. I'm gonna say Penn, 2nd round chokeout :(, but hopefully Georges can get on top and deliver those elbows all them Canadians like to do.

Stout vs. Fisher- seen one fight of both of these guys, and I'm going to go with Stout, because he's got hands of stone apparently lol.

Swick vs. Vigneault- Swick for sure...never seen Vigneault fight, but apparently he's a legend in Montreal, but IMO they're gonna feed Swick cans for a while to protect him, so I predict another quick first round ko done in Swick fu fashion and he'll get his rematch with Leben at some point.

Yves Edwards vs. Mark Hominick- I remember seeing Edwards fight once, he seemed like a badass so I'll go with him...lol

fuck doing anything else, no other fights really mean anything.

[AareDub]

Franklin v. Louiseau
I'm predicting a new champ tonight. The Crow wins by ref stoppage (blood) in the 4th round. Franklin will have a very hard time not getting cut in this one. He'll probably be cut by the 2nd round and will try to fight with it as long as he can. I don't see Louiseau being able to finish Franklin, but in the 4th the cut will just be too much. The only reason I really wouldn't mind a blood stoppage in this one, is because that almost garauntees a rematch.

GSP v. BJ Penn
Submission in the 2nd round is a pretty good bet, but as I'm typing I still haven't decided who I expect to win. They are both going to come out agressive in the first and will probably use a LOT of energy doing so. I expect one of them to be pretty tired into the 2nd and make a mistake that the other will capitalize on. If it were just this fight, I'd rather see GSP win, but since its basically a number one contender match, it makes things different. I'd kinda like to see Penn win simply to put to rest the arguments about him being the true champ and whatnot. He'd have a rematch with Hughes and they could settle it all.

[Crimson]

GSP/Hughes coming soon! Penn kinda let off after busting up GSP..I guess he thought that alone would get him a win? Glad GSP won, he went all out .

[AareDub]

I wish GSP/Penn hadn't gone to a decision. There are way too many people trying to discredit GSP for that victory. It was a great fight, and I think the decision was spot on.

All I can say about Franklin/Louiseau is "ouch."

[YOUR Hero]

Shit, I missed this PPV. Who won between Rich and the Crow?

[Innovator]

Franklin by unanimous decision

GSP over BJ by decision, gets rematch against Hughes

[AareDub]

The judges score for the Franklin/Crow fight were 50-43, 50-42, 50-42. Franklin dominated.

[Innovator]

From UFC.com


The unanimous five round decision read 50-42 twice and 50-43 for Franklin, who defended his crown for the second time and did it with a broken left hand - and possibly a broken foot and right hand - from the second round on.

“It’s the first fight where I’ve gone to a decision, so I’m very displeased with myself,” said Franklin, who could now be dubbed ‘The Punisher’ after his dominating performance.

Kicking was the weapon of choice early on. Loiseau missed his first high kick, but landed his second, producing nary a pause from Franklin, who responded with a kick of his own that was in turn answered by ‘The Crow’. Both decided to test their hands moments later, and though Loiseau’s handspeed was superior, it was Franklin who jarred the challenger and sent him sprawling into the fence briefly. Loiseau answered with a flush shot of his own, but Franklin took it well. With under 1:30 to go, Franklin picked up his pace a bit, though many of his shots were deflected or avoided by Loiseau. The respect both fighters had for each other was obvious though, and it appeared that the combatants were settling in for a long battle, something that almost didn’t happen when Franklin put Loiseau on the deck at the bell with a right to the jaw.

Looking to follow-up on his good fortune from the previous round, Franklin aggressively pursued Loiseau, who refused to engage when the champion attacked. Loiseau then suffered a delayed reaction to a punch from Franklin and the champ pounced and put the challenger on the mat. Once the two rose, Loiseau, with a nasty knot over his right eye and a bloody nose, was even less amenable to trading with the champ, even turning his back on Franklin on a few occasions. With under two minutes left, Franklin continued to dominate from corner to corner as Loiseau’s legs didn’t even seem to want to hold him anymore. With less than 30 seconds left, Franklin went for the finish, slamming Loiseau and pounding him, but the bell intervened.

Loiseau opened up with some kicks to start the third round and make a charge for the title, but again it was Franklin with a quick takedown that turned into a sequence where he got Loiseau’s back and looked to end the bout. ‘The Crow’ survived, but when he rose, the knot over his right eye worsened and he was cut over both eyes. After the doctor allowed the fight to continue, Loiseau finally struck paydirt, knocking Franklin to the mat with a left hook and suddenly putting the Cincinnati native in trouble.

“I wasn’t hurt, I wanted to create a little drama,” joked Franklin. “That’s a lie. Dave clipped me.”

Franklin was able to buy some time along the fence though, and he again put it on the Montreal native, whose face was battered beyond recognition. Loiseau, who was obviously having trouble seeing, started to paw with his arm to at least touch Franklin and know where he was, undoubtedly a bad sign, but he was able to survive the third stanza.

At the start of the fourth, the two combatants again touched gloves, this time even smiling at each other in appreciation of the courage both were showing. By the end of the opening minute, Franklin again got Loiseau’s back and battered the courageous Canadian, who refused to give in. A slam by ‘Ace’ at the three minute mark didn’t help matters, and referee John McCarthy was watching the fight closely, but when Loiseau rose, he was ready to fight again. Franklin, way ahead at this point, took the pace back a bit as looked to reload his guns for another run in the final round.

Far behind, Loiseau went for broke in the fifth, still throwing leg kicks with brutal power. Franklin was just too strong at this point in the fight, and he easily took ‘The Crow’ down again. Loiseau tried to fight his way out of trouble, but Franklin put him right back in a precarious spot and got his back once again – usually a sure way to end a fight, but it was as if Loiseau got it in his head that he would not give in at any cost.

He didn’t. And even though he lost his fight for the UFC middleweight title, David Loiseau definitely earned the crown as the toughest fighter in the world.

[YOUR Hero]

UFC's Best of 2005 is on tonight on Spike TV at 6 pm.

[Crimson]

Quote of the night on the ppv during the Crow/Ace fight .."After watching something like this, I don't see how anybody can go back to watching baseball." -Joe Rogan

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I watched GSP vs. Penn and crow vs. ace on Youtube since I'm brokeass. Anyways, I'd give GSP the victory because Penn didn't do shit after the first round to win the fight, and GSP did amazingly to recover from the thumb to the eye/barrage by Penn.

Man, Franklin is just a machine, insanely well conditioned...shows that they weren't bullshitting on All Access. Mad props to Loiseau though, he hung in there and did everything within his power to win the fight...he never quit even though it was apparent after the second round it wasn't going to be his night, and he battled through his eyes swelling like biatches. But man, Ace is dommmmmmmmmminant, it's scary. Wanna see him fight Henderson real badly.

[YOUR Hero]

post the you tube fights here :'(

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

k

Penn vs. Pierre pt. I- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMIwrENCkpQ&search=UFC%2058

Penn vs. Pierre pt. II- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YipvX2jb6kk&search=UFC%2058

Penn vs. Pierre pt. III- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD5bvXyXQbU&search=UFC%2058

Franklin Loiseau pt. I- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt6wGBzyNjQ&search=UFC%2058

Franklin Loiseau pt. II- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAyrWRDXuFo&search=UFC%2058

[Rob]

Penn seemed quite bitter about the loss. His team were moaning about GSP's face. Obviously Penn couldn't have landed 2 good shots and busted him up in the first and then get dominated in the second and third rounds now could he? GSP deseved the win big time.

David Loiseau didn't even show up to fight. Franklin looked like a freak on a leash coming into the octogon. He looks unbeatable at 185lbs.

[YOUR Hero]

Penn was pretty gracious I thought, he was disappointed and it was a close fight, so I don't think he was out of line or anything.

[YOUR Hero]

Oh and Rob, The Crow could barely see. He still went on and had flurries of good offence. Nothing like Rich, but he showed up, he was just blind for a lot of the fight. He got beat, but don't say he was a no show.

[yknits god]

mma fears dane pender

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah I feel bad for Penn, but he didn't do anything of note in the 2nd and 3rd, and really, if you think about it, his main offense was all caused by the thumb to the eye.

He was pretty gracious/bitter. I think he just hates judges, so it pissed him off, be he respects GSP so he gave him credit where credit was due.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Oh and Rob, The Crow could barely see. He still went on and had flurries of good offence. Nothing like Rich, but he showed up, he was just blind for a lot of the fight. He got beat, but don't say he was a no show.

[Rob]

Barely see? The doctor checked him and let it go on. If he visual was affected, he would have stopped it. Granted, his face looked a mess but he did nothing in the first 2 rounds when his face was in better nick.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Barely see? The doctor checked him and let it go on. If he visual was affected, he would have stopped it. Granted, his face looked a mess but he did nothing in the first 2 rounds when his face was in better nick.

You have to consider how bad Franklin hurt him with the body kick. He was probably badly winded, just trying to hold on. You need to give credit where credit is due, he held on to the bitter end and did everything in his power to get the win. I mean he did knock down Franklin. Obviously it wasn't his best performance, but you need to give the guy credit for not giving up, even when it was clear that it just wasn't his night.

[Rob]

Oh I give him credit. He must have balls the size of an Irish broads arse because he took a fucking beat down and never quit. I'm not saying he wasn't good enough or didn't try. My comment was more along the lines of he just didn't have anything to offer on that night. No answers to any of Franklin's offence. Even saying that, the part of round 3 where he came to life, I thought he had him.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah I hear what you're saying. It clearly was not his night at all, and he just wasn't gonna win the fight, which was why I give him credit for sticking around and taking that asswhooping like a man.

[Rob]

Have you seen this brawl after the Coleman vs. Shogun fight on the Pride show? I heard it was on youtube

[Rob]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nyT4PT1lJDw&search=pride There it is.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol yeah I saw it. Ridiculousness, I can't believe Coleman's convinced himself that he actually won that fight because he tried to do that. I hope Shogun fucking shitkicks him the next time they fight...which he will.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I kind of wish PRIDE did an invasion of UFC with Fedor. Like I mean fuck, mainly because I want to see him first fight Tim Sylvia and tear that flabby fuck apart. He's such an arrogant prick who Fedor would just tear apart and make him look like an amateur. I can't believe that useless shite is #2 in the UFC. Then obviously there'd be the demolition of Arlovski, but I wouldn't take as much pleasure in that because AA is kind of cool, but still it'd be a magnificent beat down.

[Rob]

lol yeah I saw it. Ridiculousness, I can't believe Coleman's convinced himself that he actually won that fight because he tried to do that. I hope Shogun fucking shitkicks him the next time they fight...which he will.

Well he did win the fight because of that. To me, that is more of a victory than say Vitor Belfort beating Randy Couture because he cut his eye lid with a nick off his glove.

[YOUR Hero]

I understand your position better now, Rob. I'd agree with that assessment you made.


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Zuffa LLC, the Nevada company which controls the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) and is thus the sport's dominant player in the U.S., has attempted to reach more avid boxing fans by courting the boxing media.
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At last year's Boxing Writers Association of America (BWAA) dinner in Las Vegas, UFC had a substantial presence. Kevin Iole, the boxing beat writer for the [I]Las Vegas Review-Journal, has covered every UFC event held in the city and thinks the barriers to acceptance by the mainstream boxing press and public have more to do with the limitations imposed on the major media than the quality of the UFC product.
"In newspapers, space is at a premium, even for boxing," says Iole, who says he's grown to appreciate the UFC as he's seen more of it. "To go to MMA, that requires the writers taking the time to understand the difference and to search out the demographic, and the writers aren't going to do that. They're going to try to get more space for what they already know and are comfortable with, and that's boxing."
One of the reasons newspapers aren't clamoring to cover the UFC is that mixed martial arts fans are not their customers. UFC's demographics skew younger, and young people are reading newspapers less and less these days. According to a study done by the Online Publishers Association, for only nine percent of adults aged 18-34 is the newspaper the first or second medium of choice.
Also, mixed martial arts has still yet to be sanctioned in many states. Fewer than half of state athletic commissions, which were formed for the purposes of regulating boxing, allow it; among those who do are influential states such as Nevada, New Jersey, Florida, and California, with an MMA-only commission having been recently been established in North Dakota. Because of that, UFC is still working to combat its "outlaw" perception — not the least of which is a confusion with Toughman contests, with which it has no affiliation — that is not often compatible with mainstream media coverage.
Generally, the safety aspects of the UFC, the result of a restructuring of the rules in the late 1990s, stand up favorably to those of boxing, but commissions have been slow to catch on, principally due to a lack of understanding of the disciplines the sport encompasses.
Larry Hazzard, commissioner of the New Jersey State Athletic Control Board, was the first commissioner to give MMA his stamp of approval. But Hazzard brought plenty of background to his decision; he has black belts in Karate and Brazilian Ju-Jitsu and has taught close-quarter combat at a number of law-enforcement academies.
"Yes, this is a combat sport, but it's still a totally different animal," Hazzard said. "People are used to boxing, and they know what they're looking for. And it seems this (MMA) loses a lot of people once it gets to the ground. They don't understand the wrestling and the submission holds. If you put together a highlight clip of MMA action, it seems more brutal, and that's probably turned some people off."
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"It's still more a spectacle than a sport in many people's minds," says Tim Graham, boxing writer for the Buffalo News, who was recently elected president of the BWAA. "But I'm a fan of it. I see it as a very pure and worthwhile sport that's a worthy competitor to boxing."
Graham looks upon the fact that the UFC is both the promoter and the sanctioning body as a positive for the fans. "They basically control their product, and they can put on the very best matchups possible and give the fans what they want on a very structured basis. So from a business standpoint, it's everything boxing isn't."
Iole echoes that, making the point that not only does the UFC seem to be more responsive to public demand than most boxing promoters, it has the business model necessary to do something about it: "If there's a big matchup in a division, they get that fight made right away."
Old-line boxing people have expressed little interest in the UFC or mixed martial arts in general, and that prospect is not likely to change. International matchmaker and agent Don Majeski points out that there was more commonality between boxing and wrestling fans in the 1950s and '60s, but he doesn't see it happening with boxing and MMA.
"Years ago there used to be wrestling and boxing in the same place, where you'd see a wrestling match one night and boxing the next night, or vice versa," Majeski said. "And often the boxing promoter and the wrestling promoter were one in the same, or they had a great rivalry between the two of them, where each disdained the sport of the other, and they went after each other's fans. (With MMA) I haven't seen much crossover promotion."
Younger boxing promoters, however, may be more accepting of MMA events. Scott Wagner, 37, who promotes his regular "Ballroom Boxing" series out of Glen Burnie, Md., says that if the sport was sanctioned and regulated in his state (it is not), he wouldn't hesitate to put on shows. "I'd do it in a minute," he says. "Actually, it wouldn't even take me that long."
Wagner recognizes something in the UFC's approach that boxing doesn't have a hold on. "People who don't like it are basing their judgments on something they don't know about," he says. "What I see about the sport is that the demographic, as far as sponsors go, is a bonanza. It's male, 18-25. I went to one of those events. They sold 16,000 tickets or however many that joint held. You couldn't get in that place. How many boxing matches do you go to and see that many people?" There is little question that mixed martial arts is one of the fastest growing sports in America. "By the end of this fiscal year," says Hazzard, "we will have sanctioned more MMA shows than pro boxing shows in this state, which is a first." It likely won't be the last time we'll hear that. MMA promoters, specifically the UFC, seem to possess more marketing savvy than their boxing brethren. They may not be capturing the boxing audience now, but they're latching on to a generation of customers who will eventually make up more and more of the demographic pool. And as its dyed-in-the-wool loyalists become fewer in number, boxing may in time have problems arousing the interest of fans who have been weaned on MMA.
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[YOUR Hero]

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At last year's Boxing Writers Association of America (BWAA) dinner in Las Vegas, UFC had a substantial presence. Kevin Iole, the boxing beat writer for the [I]Las Vegas Review-Journal, has covered every UFC event held in the city and thinks the barriers to acceptance by the mainstream boxing press and public have more to do with the limitations imposed on the major media than the quality of the UFC product.
"In newspapers, space is at a premium, even for boxing," says Iole, who says he's grown to appreciate the UFC as he's seen more of it. "To go to MMA, that requires the writers taking the time to understand the difference and to search out the demographic, and the writers aren't going to do that. They're going to try to get more space for what they already know and are comfortable with, and that's boxing."
One of the reasons newspapers aren't clamoring to cover the UFC is that mixed martial arts fans are not their customers. UFC's demographics skew younger, and young people are reading newspapers less and less these days. According to a study done by the Online Publishers Association, for only nine percent of adults aged 18-34 is the newspaper the first or second medium of choice.
Also, mixed martial arts has still yet to be sanctioned in many states. Fewer than half of state athletic commissions, which were formed for the purposes of regulating boxing, allow it; among those who do are influential states such as Nevada, New Jersey, Florida, and California, with an MMA-only commission having been recently been established in North Dakota. Because of that, UFC is still working to combat its "outlaw" perception — not the least of which is a confusion with Toughman contests, with which it has no affiliation — that is not often compatible with mainstream media coverage.
Generally, the safety aspects of the UFC, the result of a restructuring of the rules in the late 1990s, stand up favorably to those of boxing, but commissions have been slow to catch on, principally due to a lack of understanding of the disciplines the sport encompasses.
Larry Hazzard, commissioner of the New Jersey State Athletic Control Board, was the first commissioner to give MMA his stamp of approval. But Hazzard brought plenty of background to his decision; he has black belts in Karate and Brazilian Ju-Jitsu and has taught close-quarter combat at a number of law-enforcement academies.
"Yes, this is a combat sport, but it's still a totally different animal," Hazzard said. "People are used to boxing, and they know what they're looking for. And it seems this (MMA) loses a lot of people once it gets to the ground. They don't understand the wrestling and the submission holds. If you put together a highlight clip of MMA action, it seems more brutal, and that's probably turned some people off."
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 width=434 align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>http://msn.foxsports.com/id/5372560_36_2.jpg</TD></TR><TR><TD class=caption>Younger viewers are as likely to know UFC welterweight champion Matt Hughes as they are the big names in boxing. (John Gichigi / Getty Images)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
"It's still more a spectacle than a sport in many people's minds," says Tim Graham, boxing writer for the Buffalo News, who was recently elected president of the BWAA. "But I'm a fan of it. I see it as a very pure and worthwhile sport that's a worthy competitor to boxing."
Graham looks upon the fact that the UFC is both the promoter and the sanctioning body as a positive for the fans. "They basically control their product, and they can put on the very best matchups possible and give the fans what they want on a very structured basis. So from a business standpoint, it's everything boxing isn't."
Iole echoes that, making the point that not only does the UFC seem to be more responsive to public demand than most boxing promoters, it has the business model necessary to do something about it: "If there's a big matchup in a division, they get that fight made right away."
Old-line boxing people have expressed little interest in the UFC or mixed martial arts in general, and that prospect is not likely to change. International matchmaker and agent Don Majeski points out that there was more commonality between boxing and wrestling fans in the 1950s and '60s, but he doesn't see it happening with boxing and MMA.
"Years ago there used to be wrestling and boxing in the same place, where you'd see a wrestling match one night and boxing the next night, or vice versa," Majeski said. "And often the boxing promoter and the wrestling promoter were one in the same, or they had a great rivalry between the two of them, where each disdained the sport of the other, and they went after each other's fans. (With MMA) I haven't seen much crossover promotion."
Younger boxing promoters, however, may be more accepting of MMA events. Scott Wagner, 37, who promotes his regular "Ballroom Boxing" series out of Glen Burnie, Md., says that if the sport was sanctioned and regulated in his state (it is not), he wouldn't hesitate to put on shows. "I'd do it in a minute," he says. "Actually, it wouldn't even take me that long."
Wagner recognizes something in the UFC's approach that boxing doesn't have a hold on. "People who don't like it are basing their judgments on something they don't know about," he says. "What I see about the sport is that the demographic, as far as sponsors go, is a bonanza. It's male, 18-25. I went to one of those events. They sold 16,000 tickets or however many that joint held. You couldn't get in that place. How many boxing matches do you go to and see that many people?" There is little question that mixed martial arts is one of the fastest growing sports in America. "By the end of this fiscal year," says Hazzard, "we will have sanctioned more MMA shows than pro boxing shows in this state, which is a first." It likely won't be the last time we'll hear that. MMA promoters, specifically the UFC, seem to possess more marketing savvy than their boxing brethren. They may not be capturing the boxing audience now, but they're latching on to a generation of customers who will eventually make up more and more of the demographic pool. And as its dyed-in-the-wool loyalists become fewer in number, boxing may in time have problems arousing the interest of fans who have been weaned on MMA.
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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Well he did win the fight because of that. To me, that is more of a victory than say Vitor Belfort beating Randy Couture because he cut his eye lid with a nick off his glove.

Yeah but come on, that was a massive fluke. He wasn't trying to trip up Shogun so that he landed akwardly and dislocated his elbow.

[Rob]

Fluke maybe but it was a fighting tactic that made that accident occur. Belfort's on the other hand wasn't even a directed punch. I'm not saying Coleman's is ok and Belfort's isn't. I'm saying I can accept Coleman's win a lot more than I can't accept Belfort's.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Fluke maybe but it was a fighting tactic that made that accident occur. Belfort's on the other hand wasn't even a directed punch. I'm not saying Coleman's is ok and Belfort's isn't. I'm saying I can accept Coleman's win a lot more than I can't accept Belfort's.

Both of them are kind of crap. I mean the ref has to give the fight to Coleman, because he was trying to take him down, and the fall was the effect of the takedown. But he himself, has to understand that it was a fluke and that on any other day it's a completely different fight.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV_Inv7-go4&search=chris%20leben

chris leben vs. joe doerksen

After seeing this fight i don't understand how leben completely blew it against Josh Koscheck on the show. I think there needs to be a rematch between the two, and Leben'll knock him out, and all will be well.

[Rob]

Lee Murray is now a suspect in the United Kingdom's biggest ever cash robbery.

http://www.insidefighting.com/betweenRoundsDisp.aspx?uid=2864

It's in all the British national newspapers today too.

Lee - Mate if you are reading this, any chance of a sub?

[Innovator]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV_Inv7-go4&search=chris%20leben

chris leben vs. joe doerksen

After seeing this fight i don't understand how leben completely blew it against Josh Koscheck on the show. I think there needs to be a rematch between the two, and Leben'll knock him out, and all will be well.I've never been more frustrated whlie watching a fight than I was watching that. Koscheck didn't do anything while on top and Leben couldn't land anything.

I agree, rematch.

[Crimson]

If Koscheck can learn to finish off people on the ground, he can be pretty good. But all he does is pin them and jus lays there like an idiot.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

fuck Nick Diaz is the most entertaining fighter in the ufc...saw his fight with Parisyan...just all over the place, great stuff.

[Rob]

fuck Nick Diaz is the most entertaining fighter in the ufc...saw his fight with Parisyan...just all over the place, great stuff.

That's why we love him. When has he ever had a boring fight really?

[AareDub]

I think that's why he keeps getting chances, even after losing a few fights in a row. I keep hoping he'll have a dominant performance against somebody soon so he doesn't lose too much respect with the new fans.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

He's fighting Shawn Sherk at the next ppv, and that's bound to be another great fight.

It's going to be tough for him though, I think for his own sake he's got to keep it standing because of his reach, because Sherk is pretty menacing on the ground.

the thing with him is that they could just give him a can to keep him strong, but he wants to be a top contender, so he's really got to step it up and end Sherk. Which means his sub attempts need to be more crisp like they were against Jeremy Jackson (unless he g and ped him, I forget), and his striking needs to be like it was against Robbie Lawler.

Needless to say, he's not going to get stopped by Sherk, but he's got to dominate that fight to win.

[Rob]

Is this fight definately happening?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Is this fight definately happening?

Yep check it out on the ufc website.

[Rob]

Sweet!

[hatorian]

Guys UFC:59 is getting near April 15. Sat. UFC:59 Fight Card (http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=EventDetail.FightCard&eid=159)

im rooting for A. Arlovski. Sylvia is no match to him. Also again I want to see if Marcio Cruz can take down Jeff Monson just like what he did to Frank mir.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Ultimate Fight Night is going to be good too, Von Flue vs. Cummo and Jardine vs. Bonnar, both possible show stealers. They better fuckin show Von Flue vs. Cummo and not Leben vs. Luigi something or other :rant:

[hatorian]

Yes the fight night it's on April 6 right together with the premier of The Ultimate fighter 3. And yes they better show the Cummo vs. Von Flue fight.:y: here is the Fight Card (http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=EventDetail.fightcard&eid=160) and the line up for TUF3 (http://www.theultimatefighter.tv)

[Rob]

Predictions for both shows.

Ultimate Fight Night

Stephan Bonnar Vs. Keith Jardine - Bonnar but not in the pushover some people think.
Rashad Evans Vs. Sam Hoger - Evans
Joe Stevenson Vs. Josh Neer - Stevenson
Chris Leben Vs. Luigi Fioravanti - Fioravanti (I smell an upset)
Luke Cummo Vs. Jason Von Flue - Cummo
Josh Burkman Vs. Jon Fitch - Burkman
Josh Koscheck Vs. Ansar Chalangov - Only saying Koscheck because I don't know anything about Chalangov and obviously UFC will be booking their poster boy better after his loss to Fickett.
Trevor Prangley Vs. Chael Sonnen - Prangley
Brad Imes Vs. Dan Christison - Imes

UFC 59

Andrei Arlovski Vs. Tim Sylvia - Arlovski obviously
Tito Ortiz Vs. Forrest Griffin - Ortiz
Nick Diaz Vs. Sean Sherk - I'm a mark for Diaz so I'm picking him but more with heart than head.
Jeff Monson Vs. Marcio Cruz - Cruz
David Terrell Vs. Scott Smith - Terrell
Karo Parisyan Vs. Nick Thompson - Parisyan
Jason Lambert Vs. Terry Martin - Lambert
Thiago Alves Vs. Derrick Noble - Alves (don't know anything about Noble)
Evan Tanner Vs. Justin Levens - Tanner

[Kris P Lettus]

Ultimate Fight Night

Stephan Bonnar Vs. Keith Jardine Bonnar
Rashad Evans Vs. Sam Hoger Rashad
Joe Stevenson Vs. Josh Neer Neer
Chris Leben Vs. Luigi Fioravanti WOULD HAVE PICKED LEBEN :rant:
Luke Cummo Vs. Jason Von Flue Von Flue
Josh Burkman Vs. Jon Fitch Burkman
Josh Koscheck Vs. Ansar Chalangov Chalangov (f'n hate Koscheck)
Trevor Prangley Vs. Chael SonnenPrangley
Brad Imes Vs. Dan Christison Christison

UFC 59

Andrei Arlovski Vs. Tim Sylvia Arlovski
Tito Ortiz Vs. Forrest Griffin Griffen
Nick Diaz Vs. Sean Sherk Diaz
Jeff Monson Vs. Marcio Cruz Cruz
David Terrell Vs. Scott Smith Terrell
Karo Parisyan Vs. Nick Thompson Parisyan
Jason Lambert Vs. Terry Martin Lambert
Thiago Alves Vs. Derrick Noble Alves
Evan Tanner Vs. Justin Levens Tanner

[AareDub]

Well the UFN show wasn't too impressive. The Stevenson/Neer fight was great, but it kills me because I was thinking of putting money on Neer. I didn't necessarily expect him to win, but at -300 odds it would've been worth the bet.

Matching up Evans and Hoger was a bad call; I think everybody knew from the start that it would go to a decision.

Bonnar/Jardine was entertaining, but it was an iffy decision. I can see it being argued both ways, and I'm actually still on the fence about it. I think it at least warranted a split decision.

TUF 3 seems interesting so far, but I wonder how they're going to fill the extra time without the challenges. I've never really been a huge fan of Shamrock and I have the feeling this show isn't going to help that at all.

[hatorian]

I think they put shamrock in there cuz, Tito and Ken have a long time conflict and hate each other guts. Maybe TUF is thinking that this season might be exciting if the the coaches may pass the tension to their respective team.. I watch season 1 and 2. And I think the theme is time is excitement.

[Kris P Lettus]

excrement

[RP]

i think Ken Shamrock is a horrible trainer so far. That Nutritionis guy looked and sounded like a moron.

[Kris P Lettus]

I'm pretty sure Shamrock has done his fair share of training guys..

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah Shamrock knows how to train. He seems like a prick, kind of like Matt Hughes, but Hughes knows how to train as well.

[AareDub]

Sure, but how can you say "I'm not very good at BJJ," then not bring in somebody to help with BJJ? Instead he brings somebody in that tells them to eat steak and chicken.

[Rob]

Sure, but how can you say "I'm not very good at BJJ," then not bring in somebody to help with BJJ? Instead he brings somebody in that tells them to eat steak and chicken.

That baffled me too. Not so much the lack of BJJ training but if these guys need diet tips now then they are in the wrong competition. They need to be hoovering around 10lbs over their fighting weights and it's a bit late for nutrition tips.

[Loose Cannon]

All's I got to say is that Tito Ortiz > everyone else.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah Ortiz came off as a really cool guy. Though I can't say I'm surprised, I've heard interviews with him on the law and shit, and he always comes off as a decent respectful guy. He just knows how to play the crowd and make money.

Problem is, once you get billed as a guy who ducks challenges everyone starts thinking the worst of you.

[Kris P Lettus]

Truthfully, I hate Ortiz, but like him alot more after the first episode..

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Also, Bonnar vs. Jardine 2 should be on ppv. the crowd was rawcus after that decision.

I can kind of see how Bonnar could be given the decision, given he almost finished twice, but Jardine was the most effective throughout. IMO Jardine's fight, but the decision could be a blessing in disguise, because people are going to want to see Jardine fuck up Bonnar if they fight again.

[YOUR Hero]

Jardine should have gotten the desicion, IMO.
I missed the debut of TUF3, but it's about to be re-shown

RIGHT NOW! :love:

[The Mask]

i'd also like to use this thread to state whenever i see crocop fight, he reminds me of YOUR Hero.

:love:

[YOUR Hero]

*shin kick to your face*

[The Mask]

unlucky for you i remind myself of fedor

[YOUR Hero]

instead of talking, you should have attempted to block my shin kick.



TKO

[The Mask]

i'm fedor. i don't need to block shit. i am invincible.

[Rob]

Yeah Ortiz came off as a really cool guy. Though I can't say I'm surprised, I've heard interviews with him on the law and shit, and he always comes off as a decent respectful guy. He just knows how to play the crowd and make money.

Problem is, once you get billed as a guy who ducks challenges everyone starts thinking the worst of you.

Both Shamrock and Ortiz know the pro wrestling mentality of what draws audiences - Face vs. Heel. Who ever cared about a fight that didn't have any hype?

[hatorian]

Another UFC event im waiting for is UFC:59... I like to see arlovski beat down Sylvia again. IMO- first round knockout. Looking at Tito Ortiz on the TUF3 premiere I think he will take the win against Forrest Griffin (run Forrest run lol :lol: ) here is the rest of the - Fight Card (http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=EventDetail.FightCard&eid=159)

[Innovator]

bump for the fight tonight

[Innovator]

WINNER AND NEW UFC HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OFFFFFF THE WORLD

TIM SYLVIA

[Innovator]

and fuck Tito, that was Forrest's fight

[weather vane]

Forrest was lucky to last the distance. I mean he is a good fighter and has a lot of balls but Ortiz came out like lightning in a bottle. The second Forrest came out I knew how nervous he was. When he started to loosen up he started to win the fight. Plus from the looks of it Ortiz had a lot of injuries.

[Rob]

and fuck Tito, that was Forrest's fight

Just d/l'd the fight. I can see the Forrest arguement but I still had Tito winning 29-28. You can't argue decisions in close fights when the guy you like doesn't win (don't mean you specifically, just people in general).

:eek: at Arlovski. At least a rematch is another marquee heavyweight fight in a time they definately need them.

[Loose Cannon]

Tito baby :cool:

Alright when does he get his well deserved Title Shot against the Ice Fag?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Just d/l'd the fight. I can see the Forrest arguement but I still had Tito winning 29-28. You can't argue decisions in close fights when the guy you like doesn't win (don't mean you specifically, just people in general).

:eek: at Arlovski. At least a rematch is another marquee heavyweight fight in a time they definately need them.

Where did you find the fight?

[Innovator]

Tito baby :cool:

Alright when does he get his well deserved Title Shot against the Ice Fag?He fights Shamrock in July, then if he wins he gets to get knocked out again

[Innovator]

Just d/l'd the fight. I can see the Forrest arguement but I still had Tito winning 29-28. You can't argue decisions in close fights when the guy you like doesn't win (don't mean you specifically, just people in general).

I dunno the first judge had the fight 30-27, which is absolute crap. The third had it 29-27 which means he gave Tito the 1st round 10-8. 2nd round was all Forrest, and the majority of the 3rd round went to him. The takedown in the 3rd won it for Tito, but Forrest was hitting the elbows and pushing Tito away while in the guard.

They'll be a rematch, and I can't wait for that

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

damnit I need to d/l this fight somehow :rant:

[Crimson]

Tito tore an ACL :( it said on ufc.com in the 1st round. That's horrible news, doesn't it take nearly a year to recover from that? So that's why the fight went the distance i bet if healthy Tito woulda probably finished off Forrest.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Damnit Rob Harvey tell me how you d/led the fight :rant:

[Rob]

I had Tito dominating the first. Joe Rogan is a mong. I usually like him but he was totally riding Forrest cock when he said it wasn't quite a 10-8 round. Tito nearly ended the fight and Forrest did nothing so what the fuck have to got to do to get a 10-8 round?

Forrest blatantly won the second. No debating anywhere.

I had the third drawn. At a push, I would have given it to Tito. Not just due to the takedown either. Having one takedown doesn't mean shit. This isn't boxing so taking it to the mat should mean the same as a good punch or strong submission skills.

Bonnar beating Jardine the other week was a bigger robbery and I thought that was close to.

[Rob]

Damnit Rob Harvey tell me how you d/led the fight :rant:

I'll upload it for you in a bit.

[AareDub]

I'm not happy with the stoppage in the title fight, but I seem to be the only one. If Sylvia was fighting some nobody it would've been fine, but this was a fucking title fight. You have to give it more of a chance than that. Sylvia does not deserve to be the champ, and I don't just mean because of this fight.

Also, 10-8 first round for Tito :y:
Nate Quarry put up more of a fight against Franklin than Forrest did against Tito in the first.

[Rob]

Disagree entirely with Arlovski's finish. He took like 7 shots unprotected to the head and admitted himself they should have stopped it. Best thing for the division really. If Arlovski won then they'd be struggling hard to get another fight for him. Now they have a rematch as well as others who might fight Sylvia before then.

[AareDub]

He braced himself before he hit the ground and he was trying to put up his hand up to stop the punches. It may not have been great defense, but the rule is 'intelligent defense' not 'good defense.'

I couldn't really hear the after fight interview very well, but the impression I got from it was that the ref is the one who makes the decisions and he wasn't going to argue it. Not necessarily because he thinks he was beat, but because he respects the ref.

[Rob]

Come on mate. Arlovski hit the floor and took 3 punches whilst on his knees and at least 7 to the head when he was on his front. He only had his one hand slightly covering his face and his other was trapped under his body. How many unanswered punches are you meant to let go before you stop fights? Fighters need to be protected. It was a good stoppage.

Watched the Ortiz vs. Griffin fight 3 times now and I'm more convinced now more than ever it was 29-28 to Ortiz. There is no way you can ever justify to me that the first round wasn't a 10-8. Last round was a debate but that's what you get with judges. The judge who scored it 30-27 needs to be drug tested.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Rob you are toying with my fragile, fragile emotions :'(

[Rob]

Rob you are toying with my fragile, fragile emotions :'(

Sorry. I'll be right back

[McDoogle]

So Rob did you upload that Tito fight yet?

[Rob]

Whole show.

Part 1
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VOGVBY3V


Part2
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=22YEEYZ2


Not mine. from NoDQ. Just saved me a half hour though

[AareDub]

Come on mate. Arlovski hit the floor and took 3 punches whilst on his knees and at least 7 to the head when he was on his front. He only had his one hand slightly covering his face and his other was trapped under his body. How many unanswered punches are you meant to let go before you stop fights? Fighters need to be protected. It was a good stoppage.

Watched the Ortiz vs. Griffin fight 3 times now and I'm more convinced now more than ever it was 29-28 to Ortiz. There is no way you can ever justify to me that the first round wasn't a 10-8. Last round was a debate but that's what you get with judges. The judge who scored it 30-27 needs to be drug tested.

Well, at least we agree on the Ortiz/Griffin fight ;)

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Whole show.

Part 1
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VOGVBY3V


Part2
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=22YEEYZ2


Not mine. from NoDQ. Just saved me a half hour though
lol no idea how to use that.

Do I need to get a membership or something?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

nvm I lied

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Just saw Griffin vs. Ortiz...razor thin. Both guys benefit from it. Griffin is exactly what he said, a dog who likes to fight. I think the Japanese folk would love him, cuz he's a fuckin warrior.

[Rob]

He went up big time in my estimation after that fight anyway.

[Innovator]

Forrest won more in that fight than Tito did IMO. Won more in defeat than Tito did winning the decision.

And dammit I wanted 5 more minutes

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Tito gained plenty from that fight. He's going to be considered an exciting fighter as opposed to someone who masters in lay and pray. He got booed at the end, but people are goign to want to see him fight.

Both guys benefitted, in different ways. Ortiz re-asserted himself as the Ufc's moneyman IMO.

[Rob]

Dana White has said Ortiz vs. Shamrock in July is off. It's now Shamrock vs. Griffin. BAD MOVE!!! You need to keep Shamrock marketable and right now, I'd pick Griffin and about 7 other light heavyweights over him.

Sylvia vs. Arlovski III is on the same show.

[McLegend]

When do you think Shamrock/Ortiz is going to happen?

[Rob]

When do you think Shamrock/Ortiz is going to happen?

With the announcement of Shamrock vs. Griffin with the winner fighting Ortiz, I don't think it's gonna happen. Just my opinion on the end of that fight though. Obviously if Shamrock wins then it's back on.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=2488
There’s A ‘Spider’ in The House


Andrei Arlovski vs. Paul Buentello Landscape Poster


By Thomas Gerbasi

Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the UFC middleweight division, a ‘Spider’ has made his way into the picture, and he’s looking to sting any and all comers at 185 pounds.

Anderson ‘The Spider’ Silva, a feared striker with deadly hands and feet, has inked a multi-fight deal with the premier MMA organization in the world, and UFC fans should start getting ready for this explosive middleweight to make his mark in the division currently ruled by Rich Franklin.

“Anderson Silva is one of the most talented fighters in the world, and he will be an excellent addition to the already stacked UFC middleweight division,” said UFC Vice President of Talent Relations Joe Silva (no relation).

Hailing from Curitba, Brazil, the 31-year-old Silva – a Muay Thai ace - has made his bones in the fight world with a no nonsense attitude and style that always delivers excitement. A veteran of over five years in MMA, Silva holds victories over the likes of Mach Sakurai, Alexander Otsuka, Carlos Newton, Jorge Rivera, and Jeremy Horn. In his last fight, on April 22, ‘The Spider’ knocked out UFC veteran Tony Fryklund in a single round.

Silva’s UFC debut will be announced at a later date. No opponent has been determined.

[Terra Ryzin]

great signing! Ace has some serious competition coming

[Rob]

Griffin vs. Shamrock has been called off.


It's now Ken Shamrock vs. TITO ORTIZ baby!!!

[AareDub]

I've seen that also, but I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere yet. Hopefully UFC will say something about it today.

[redoneja]

UFC 60 is coming up on May 27th. Already announced are:

Joe Riggs v Mike Swick

Brandon Vera v Assuerio Silva

Diego Sanchez v John Alessio

and in the Main Event:

Matt Hughes v Royce Gracie

[Gertner]

anybody watch the last PRIDE ppv?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

anybody watch the last PRIDE ppv?
saw a few fights from it. Pretty good stuff. pissed off that Barnett tapped out Alex Emelianenko :rant:

Mark Hunt is the mang though. James Thompson vs. Fujita was good, cro cop fucked up Minowa. Didn't see it but I heard Overeem gassed and got tapped after dominating Werdum.

[Gertner]

yeah Overeem had the match in the bag, and then his lack of conditioning caught up with him. I was glad BArnett won, sets up a great grudge match with Fedor although Fedor is gonna tear him up.

And Mark Hunt fucking owns

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah I really wanna see Hunt vs. Fedor. I mean I think fedor wouldn't struggle to tap him out, but if Hunt kept it standing, he'd still lose cuz Fedor'd find a way to get him to the ground, plus is td and ground defense are a bit suspect, but it'd be a fight, that's for damned sure.

Fedor > god, lol, I can't see him getting beat in the next 3 years.

[Rob]

Fedor will definately lose in the next 3 years. No idea who it will be to nor when but some fluke will happen.

[Innovator]

BUMP for







HUGHES vs. GRACIE

[Rob]

TUF 4 looks really interesting. Ex UFC fighters will be in the house and will be competing for title shots at the middleweight and welterweight titles as well as a six figure pay day (not contract as they currently have it).

[Rob]

Rumoured fighters for the show.

185 pounds
Jorge Rivera
Patrick Cote
Charles McCarthy
Keith Hackney
Gideon Ray
Mark Weir
Edwin Dewees
Travis Lutter

170 pounds
Matt Serra
Chris Lytle
Shonie Carter
Rich Clementi
Mikey Burnett
Pete Spratt
Nick Diaz
Din Thomas

[Crimson]

Hackney?? lol

Diaz !!

[Innovator]

Swick, Vera, and Diego all won

Swick by tap out

Vera by tap out

Diego by unanimous decision

[Crimson]

Damn, Matt Hughes pretty much manhandled Gracie. I thought it woulda been over when he had that armbar or whatever locked on. But I thought it would be a better fight.

I'm no big Diego fan, but im glad he won Alessio wasn't doin shit.

[Innovator]

I thought Diego was gonna lose the decision until he got Alessio's back in the 3rd, both guys weren't getting a lot, but at least Diego was pushing the fight.

[AareDub]

Great night of fights. I didn't think the card was too impressive, but all of the fights delivered.

Fisher v. Wiman
WOW exciting first round followed up by a killer finish in the second

Guillard v. That other guy
Another impressive knockout

Swick v. Riggs
Once again Riggs doesn't know how to defend submissions

Vera v. Silva
Decent fight, Vera is progressing pretty well

Alessio v. Sanchez
I have a hard time giving this fight to either guy. Sanchez was so ineffective that I don't want to give him any rounds, but at the same time Alessio didn't really try to do much. A 30-27 decision is ridiculous. This fight should've been a split decision with all the judges scoring 29-28.

Lister v. Sakara
Lister looked very impressive, those sub attempts were insane.

Hughes v. Gracie
No surprise here. I felt bad for Gracie because you could see in his face that he really didn't expect to lose, especially not that bad.

[Rob]

Show went pretty much how I thought it would although I thought Matt Hughes would submit Gracie. Diego Sanchez is a dirty little shit. I had Alessio winning the first two rounds and the third tied. Sanchez literally hanging on Alessio's back doing nothing for 3 minutes other than grabbing Alessio's face (illegal move) and clinging to the top of the cage for dear life when he was about to be dropped (illegal move) and his agruement (I can't move my legs) was awesome in a pathetic excuse kinda way. At least Alessio tried submissions even with Dirty Sanchez humping his back.

How Gracie never tapped to that armbar I don't know.

[AareDub]

I agree 100% with everything you said :D

[Blitz]

Can't believe how calm Gracie was in that armbar. Thought it was over there for sure.

[Rob]

I've come to the conclusion that Royce Gracie and Don Frye will never tap out in their lives. They could have 4 guys doing arm bars and heel hooks and they still wouldn't tap.

[Innovator]

Guillard destroyed that guy, that KO was ridiculous

[RP]

Is someone watching UFC right now... Its Sylvia's UFC debut. I have no clue how Cabbage is still standing. I've never seen someone take punches like that EVER in UFC. Unbelievable.

[Savio]

no one has the match?