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flairwooo
03-01-2006, 12:35 PM
If Rey misterio became world heaveyweight champion at wrestlemania how would you react?
Do you think that they could turn Rey into a credible champion or do you think it would be a stupid idea to have a 5 ft 4, 180 something pound guy as the top heaveyweight of the wwe?
I personally think it would be a stupid move to make a "midget" the top guy in the wwe,I mean it would be just stupid for them to have us believe that this guy can take on and defeat guy's twice his size every week!Every once in a while yes but if he's the champ then he's going to have to defend that belt week in week out against these bigger guy's and that's just not believable!
Also i dont think it's right that supposing he did win it, then it would only be becasue of eddie passing,and you can say all you want about rey getting a push,yes he was getting a push before eddie died, But do you really think vince mcmahon and his love for big guy's would of made a midget champ?
A lot of bigger guy's than rey had been held back becasue of there size so i dont see what's so special about rey apart from the fact eddie has just recently passed and the wwe are milking it.
discuss.
Pepsi Man
03-01-2006, 12:49 PM
If Rey misterio became world heaveyweight champion at wrestlemania how would you react?
Do you think that they could turn Rey into a credible champion or do you think it would be a stupid idea to have a 5 ft 4, 180 something pound guy as the top heaveyweight of the wwe?
I personally think it would be a stupid move to make a "midget" the top guy in the wwe,I mean it would be just stupid for them to have us believe that this guy can take on and defeat guy's twice his size every week!Every once in a while yes but if he's the champ then he's going to have to defend that belt week in week out against these bigger guy's and that's just not believable!
Hold it right there. Who's to say if he were the champion that he'd have to have a lengthy title reign?
flairwooo
03-01-2006, 12:52 PM
You're missing the point,Im saying IF they did.
Im just trying to get some views on this
i think he would be a very credible and very deserving champion
Afterlife
03-01-2006, 12:54 PM
Look, I wish they'd drop the Eddie thing too, ok? But saying that Rey only got the spot because Eddie died is pretty ignorant. Eddie's dead, but Batista is out with an injury, so they had to scramble to fix that, Mark Henry's working again, so people are afraid to work, now Bradshaw's hand is cracked. It's pretty chaotic in general over there, and I think Rey was an idea they were going to run with anyway--but under the circumstances, they ran with it quicker than expected.
As for his size being "dumb", well...that's pretty short-sighted. (No pun intended.) You gotta remember, Rey is not a power wrestler. He's speed and agility. He can hit guys like Show and A-Train ten times before they know he's there. So saying he can't be heavyweight champ because he's not as strong is ignorant. That's like saying Big Show can't beat Psocosis in Mexico because he's not a luchador.
And a lot of the 'bigger guys' get held back b/c they can't wrestle or because the crowd doesn't give a damn. And wether you personally like Rey or not, it would appear that most of the audience does, and to a level beyond most other superstars. So, you take into account his popularity, his record, and the fact that his style is effective, I really don't see any reason for you Nay-Reys to be crying about it so much.
flairwooo
03-01-2006, 01:08 PM
The guy's a midget is what he is!How will rey holding the wwe title be believable? It wont and you can say it's entertainment all you like but it still needs to have some sense or believability about it
Are you saying the crowd dont give a dam about Rvd? Or he can't wrestle?
It isn't beliebvable that a 5 ft 4 guy could kick my ass let alone those of the giants and greatest technical wrestlers in the wwe!
PureHatred
03-01-2006, 01:45 PM
Rey's offensive moves are not based on power. He's not physically manhandling people. So if he's given a title reign where he's beating people with speed and his aerial attacks, I don't see how that's not believable. Every match would have a David v Goliath feel and would give the title an interesting dynamic.
Every time he went out there people would be wondering, "Well how is he going he to beat this guy?"
Matches with guys like JBL, Finley, Booker T, William regal and other would be money, even on free TV, for the simple fact that they would be so entertaining. Rey's a draw. And in wrestling, that's all that really counts.
So yeah, I have no problem with a cruiserwe
Extreme Angle
03-01-2006, 01:58 PM
i think he would be a great champ... and for his height, as they say size doesn't matter :D
so yeah i think he'd be good...
Kane Knight
03-01-2006, 02:28 PM
Look, I wish they'd drop the Eddie thing too, ok? But saying that Rey only got the spot because Eddie died is pretty ignorant. Eddie's dead, but Batista is out with an injury, so they had to scramble to fix that, Mark Henry's working again, so people are afraid to work, now Bradshaw's hand is cracked. It's pretty chaotic in general over there, and I think Rey was an idea they were going to run with anyway--but under the circumstances, they ran with it quicker than expected.
That is so totally bullshit. They could have run with numerous other folks who would be more credible. In fact, they did.
They originally didn't plan for Mysterio to go to Mania, they were simply building this emotrional win out of Eddie's death and memory.The only reason Rey's still going to Mania is because they lacked the prescience to figure out how this would affect the fans.
Yes, Batista's out. Eddie's dead. But you can't reasonably deny Rey's push being tied to Eddie's legacy, or even it being the primary reason. You even used JBL's hand, which happened AFTER the decision, as an example, probably because your argument really doesn't require you to use reason or sense.
They weren't going to run with Rey. There are and were better choices without even tapping the two injured main eventers. They were clearly hot on Angle/Orton, and that would have at least been a more credible ME than Rey/Angle or the three way.
Speaking of which, if they were planning on Rey being featured, why even toss Orton into the mix?
This match is going to suffer because of Rey. Rey's great, but Orton and Angle could have been a classic. As said, the ONLY reason Rey is in the Main Event of Mania is because of Eddie.
Do I think he'll be credible? Maybe, but I doubt it. Do I think he should/would have eventually gotten the title? Yeah, no doubt. But to give it to him (or even put him) in the WrestleMania main event is asinine.
If they had put it on him at any other PPV, I wouldn't care as much. But the way they're handling the push and the fact that he's actually main eventing just pisses me off. For the last three Mania's he's been in one battle royal and two fucking openers.
The way I would have handled this, Eddie or no Eddie, is to have him win the Money in the Bank Ladder match and have him win the title sometime before or at SummerSlam.
In no way do I find Rey to be a credible WrestleMania main eventer.
Pepsi Man
03-01-2006, 02:41 PM
This match is going to suffer because of Rey. Rey's great, but Orton and Angle could have been a classic. As said, the ONLY reason Rey is in the Main Event of Mania is because of Eddie.
Do I think he'll be credible? Maybe, but I doubt it. Do I think he should/would have eventually gotten the title? Yeah, no doubt. But to give it to him (or even put him) in the WrestleMania main event is asinine.
If they had put it on him at any other PPV, I wouldn't care as much. But the way they're handling the push and the fact that he's actually main eventing just pisses me off. For the last three Mania's he's been in one battle royal and two fucking openers.
The way I would have handled this, Eddie or no Eddie, is to have him win the Money in the Bank Ladder match and have him win the title sometime before or at SummerSlam.
In no way do I find Rey to be a credible WrestleMania main eventer.
That just made me laugh. He's credible and you could buy him as World Champion, but you can't buy him in the main event of WrestleMania. I don't know why, but that sounds very funny to me.
Also, I think Kane Knight makes a lot of points in his post there.
Let me rephrase that, I do not find Rey to be a credible WrestleMania main eventer at the moment. With the proper build I could find him credible enough to main event Mania, but at the moment, no.
Anybody Thrilla
03-01-2006, 02:57 PM
It's not like it matters. Nobody watches SmackDOWN! anyway.
Gertner
03-01-2006, 03:04 PM
if he wins i'll be right pissed.
94 SVT Cobra
03-01-2006, 03:47 PM
if he wins i'll be right pissed.
Yea, me too, only ill be left pissed as to not get it on one another or to see each others junk. But seriously, i would be bothered wit mysterio as champ
The Naitch
03-01-2006, 04:07 PM
Face it, Rey will be YOUR next World Heavyweight Champion.
Innovator
03-01-2006, 04:11 PM
Rey is 10x more credible to hold gold than Cena was when he won it. Plus he carried Henry to a better match than Angle did.
redoneja
03-01-2006, 04:23 PM
I posted a thread about this almost exactly a year ago, and people said about the same thing. http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=28182
And looking back at what I said, my opinion now is that Mysterio could be an underdog champ for about 3-4 months. Anything longer than that and I wouldn't be able to suspend my disbelief.
Johnny Vegas
03-01-2006, 04:50 PM
In a way, i think that it would be a good idea. I mean, if someone of his ability and speed put up some ****1/2 to ***** matches with the likes of Booker T, Angle, Benoit, etc., i'd watch it :cool:
But another side of me says no. This whole Eddie thing has got to stop. I mean when Owen died, the only thing i remember about it as far as storyline was concerned was when Bret had that match with Benoit on Nitro. They are playing this out a lil too much, and you don't want people to start booing Mysterio because he was shoved down our throats with it. Let Eddie's legacy live on like Owen's, Bulldog's, Mr. Perfect's, and others.
For me it really depends on how the match plays out and how Rey eventually won. I kinda like the idea in the short term. Have him really have to scrape out the wins, quick hurricanrana wins, crazy roll-ups, almost as if he's lucky to even survive let alone retain the title.
Don't get me wrong though I think they should drop the Eddie stuff ASAP.
Londoner
03-01-2006, 05:46 PM
I posted a thread about this almost exactly a year ago, and people said about the same thing. http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=28182
And looking back at what I said, my opinion now is that Mysterio could be an underdog champ for about 3-4 months. Anything longer than that and I wouldn't be able to suspend my disbelief.
I agree 100% with this.He could hold it longer than 3-4 months though, if the brand split doesn't end that is.To say he only has this position because of Eddie isn't totally true, he was always going to make it but i think the Eddie situation moved it further forward.I think Eddie was meant to win the Rumble originally.
Smackdown really has had a bad run of luck with injuries/a death.
Lock Jaw
03-01-2006, 06:32 PM
Rey Mysterio would not be a credible champion for one simple reason.
You wouldn't be able to see over half of him behind that big gold belt. :shifty:
UmbrellaCorporation
03-01-2006, 06:46 PM
if he wins i'll be right pissed.
I've never read anything that I agree with more. Can't really tell you how much of a disdain I have for Mysterio.
Rey Mysterio would not be a credible champion for one simple reason.
You wouldn't be able to see over half of him behind that big gold belt. :shifty:
Do you suppose the strap is longer than him?
He could use it as swing. :shifty:
Kane Knight
03-01-2006, 07:22 PM
That just made me laugh. He's credible and you could buy him as World Champion, but you can't buy him in the main event of WrestleMania. I don't know why, but that sounds very funny to me.
Well, it's the biggest night of the year for WWE, and Mysterio with it seems such a letdown.
I can see giving him a limited run with the belt at some point as a nod to the fans, especially in transition between two champs, but I can't see that shit lasting more than a month or two, and I'd rather not see it. As big as he is with the fans, I don't know much of anyone who'd buy him as a Heavyweight champ.
I don't know, I still can't buy him as champ, but I could see im as champ. Hard to explain, but I see Xero's point.
Kane Knight
03-01-2006, 07:23 PM
Do you suppose the strap is longer than him?
He could use it as swing. :shifty:
West Coast Pop with it.
*Rey walks onto the stage at a signing*
Fan #1: WOAH! The belt is walking by itself!
Fan #2: OH MY GOD! TRIPLE H MUST HAVE POSSESSED IT!
Rey: VERY FUNNY! :foc:
Fan #3: Is that the tip of a finger I see? Which one is it? Index finger signifying that the title is number 1? A thumb for a thumb's up? The middle finger? WHAT!?
Rey: :mad:
Kane Knight
03-01-2006, 09:06 PM
*Rey walks onto the stage at a signing*
Fan #1: WOAH! The belt is walking by itself!
Fan #2: OH MY GOD! TRIPLE H MUST HAVE POSSESSED IT!
Rey: VERY FUNNY! :foc:
Fan #3: Is that the tip of a finger I see? Which one is it? Index finger signifying that the title is number 1? A thumb for a thumb's up? The middle finger? WHAT!?
Rey: :mad:
Three Words:
Fraggle.
Rock.
Champion!
Aside from whether Rey could be champ, I can imagine some sweet little spots for the match...
Orton stalking Angle ready for the RKO only for Rey to jump over his head to land the springboard seated senton on Angle
OR
Angle with Orton in the ankle lock (w/ Angle standing) Rey hits West Coast Pop/SSS on Angle
OR
Orton in ankle lock w/ leg grapevine, Rey landing Springboard Legdrop to break it up
But...
what I really wanna see is Orton reverse the West Coast Pop into an RKO
Kane Knight
03-01-2006, 09:41 PM
Howabout an Angle Slam and Kurt turns right into a West Coast Pop?
FourFifty
03-01-2006, 09:43 PM
Three Words:
Fraggle.
Rock.
Champion!
Is that in the first season, or do I have to wait for 7 months for the second one to come out to try to find that refrence?
Kane Knight
03-01-2006, 09:46 PM
I didn't think there was a hidden meaning to that.
Shadow
03-01-2006, 10:53 PM
...how the fuck is Randy supposed to reverse a West Coast Pop into an RKO?
Gertner
03-01-2006, 10:55 PM
i'm sure this will lead to one of the Juniors getting a title run. it'll be hilarious. he'll put the belt on and it'll fall to his ankles, throwing pails of confeti at kurt angle in title matches with all matches ending in a la mahistrol cradle as all juniors matches do
Corkscrewed
03-02-2006, 01:04 AM
...how the fuck is Randy supposed to reverse a West Coast Pop into an RKO?
He wouldn't in its traditional form, since he'd be on the floor, and Rey would be coming at him feet first.
HOWEVER, if Rey's going for a springboard move, he could go for a flying shoulder tackle or body block instead. With Orton up and Rey coming at him head first, Randy could turn THAT into an RKO. Which would be fucking sweet.
Stickman
03-02-2006, 12:18 PM
I don't think he's credible. Him winning by his quickness and areal assult is bullshit. Every match I've seen him have with a big man is terrible. The "big men" have to stand there and look stupid while Rey uses his "quickness." I'm tired of big men standing for a couple minutes wiping their face or pretending their knee is shot while Rey run's around the building with his quickness to jump from the ceiling hitting a hurricanrona that would not even budge a 300+ man.
...how the fuck is Randy supposed to reverse a West Coast Pop into an RKO?
Well the same way X-Pac reversed a D'Lo Brown top rope move into an X-Factor back in like 98
also, why Orty would be lying down?
The WCP is the springboard hurricanrana & thus Orton would be standing!
In essence it goes something like this...
Rey hits 619, then springs off the top rope for WCP, as Rey sails thru the air Orty leaps into the air grabs Rey's head and brings him down with RKO
St. Jimmy
03-02-2006, 10:36 PM
Q: Rey Misterio credible champ?
A: No.
simple.
Afterlife
03-03-2006, 09:02 AM
That is so totally bullshit. They could have run with numerous other folks who would be more credible. In fact, they did.
They originally didn't plan for Mysterio to go to Mania, they were simply building this emotrional win out of Eddie's death and memory.The only reason Rey's still going to Mania is because they lacked the prescience to figure out how this would affect the fans.
Yes, Batista's out. Eddie's dead. But you can't reasonably deny Rey's push being tied to Eddie's legacy, or even it being the primary reason. You even used JBL's hand, which happened AFTER the decision, as an example, probably because your argument really doesn't require you to use reason or sense.
They weren't going to run with Rey. There are and were better choices without even tapping the two injured main eventers. They were clearly hot on Angle/Orton, and that would have at least been a more credible ME than Rey/Angle or the three way.
Speaking of which, if they were planning on Rey being featured, why even toss Orton into the mix?
I never said they planned to take Mysterio to Mania. I was talking about him being Champ. That is the actual topic, after all. I used JBL's hand, along with the rampant styling of Mark Henry, to illustrate that things are going a little arwy on the show in general as of late, not that Rey was the only choice for WM. In fact, I'm pretty sure I made that clear. I also admitted plainly that Rey's current WM situation IS due to the rush from Eddie's death, and I never once said that Rey was my ideal main eventer or WHC in the first place.
Now that the "bullshit" is dealt with, I'll reiterate my actual point:
Rey is good. Rey would be getting a title shot eventually, regardless of Eddie's death. Rey spent 75% of Eddie's last year feuding with him. Rey was upset by Eddie's death, as were most. Writers are weak. They write Eddie into the story after his death. They make Rey "pray" to Eddie. Now it's getting thick, and they don't know how to stop. It snowballs, and Rey wins the Rumble b/c Eddie 'helped'.
It was a rush job, it was done without actual planning, and if they did NOT put Rey in the match, it would seriously nullify the Rumble. So they try to fix it. AS for 'tossing in' Orton, well, that's a pretty dumb question. The company seems to have an erection for nepotism, and they certainly appear to have a special nepotiz for Randy. Angle is greatness, they have the emotional snowball with Rey that they can't write away in time, and they have the son of a former worker that they love to shove down our throats. This is not unlike the company; deal.
Personally, I want Angle to win the match. But we're not talking about the match in this thread; it's Rey's credibility as champ. And no, I don't see him being a HHH. But I don't think anyone ever looked at Mankind and said "You know what? I think that whiny freak in a mask deserves 3 title runs." Relax and watch it before you bitch. That'd be my advice.
King Jericho
03-03-2006, 10:00 AM
To keep a long post short, with the way they could book MitB and the WWE title match, some could say Flair might get one last 'Thank you' run as Champ, if that happens, way can't they give Mysterio the title run, most people know he deserves.
I personally will mark the fuck out if Rey wins the title at Mania, not just because I'll be there, but because I think he deserves a run with the belt. I can think of less deserving people.
Indifferent Clox
03-03-2006, 11:08 AM
all joking aside
A) rey is not a midget, midget is under 4'10
B) rey>you in a fight
C) a midget pirate robot ninja champion is the best idea ever
Afterlife
03-03-2006, 11:09 AM
The guy's a midget is what he is!How will rey holding the wwe title be believable? It wont and you can say it's entertainment all you like but it still needs to have some sense or believability about it
Are you saying the crowd dont give a dam about Rvd? Or he can't wrestle?
It isn't beliebvable that a 5 ft 4 guy could kick my ass let alone those of the giants and greatest technical wrestlers in the wwe!
And this is just stupid. I said "a lot of guys" can't wrestle; nobody mentioned RVD specifically, and nobody who mentions him would claim any lack in his ability. Aside from that specific point, this whole post you made negates the purpose of your thread. You ask our opinions and tell us to 'discuss', and the minute someone favors the guy, you tell us we're wrong? If you wanted a 'let's bash Rey' thread, you should have said so.
Kane Knight
03-03-2006, 02:13 PM
all joking aside
A) rey is not a midget, midget is under 4'10
B) rey>you in a fight
C) a midget pirate robot ninja champion is the best idea ever
Rey is a midget in wrestling senses, not in legal senses. You do know "midget" as a non-legal, non-medical term doesn't have a specific height prereq, right?
Christ, I'm 6'5" and I'm used to looming over people like some Ungodly hybrid of a bad habit and a stormcloud. Look at people about my size in wrestling. Are they...Giants? Large? Average? Yeah, that last one. Matt Hardy and Christian ain't exactly considered hosses and they're "supposed to be" about my height.
Rey, by default, looks horribly diminutive even against your "average" wrestlers.
Also, if Rey Mysterio was given a stupid enough gimmick, one that was annoying and repulsive, I guarantee you that the smarks would back him 100% for championship Gold.
chipoftheoldblock
03-03-2006, 02:36 PM
If Cena can be a World Champ so can Rey Mysterio
Kane Knight
03-03-2006, 05:08 PM
But Cena's one thing Mysterio could never be.
...Black.
Kane Knight
03-03-2006, 05:08 PM
And able to ride the adult rides at amusement parks.
Kane Knight
03-03-2006, 05:09 PM
And 'roids have an effect on him in a "Vince and JR have a strange swelling of the trousers" sort of way.
darkpower
03-03-2006, 09:29 PM
Q: Rey Misterio credible champ?
A: No.
simple.
Well, that just summed up your reason! :roll:
Kane Knight
03-03-2006, 09:37 PM
I'm not sure what you're looking for, DP.
I mean, we can elaborate, but there's only really 2-3 sentences worth of real conversation on either side. Everything else is superfluous or not to the point or redundant or redundant or redundant...
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