Holy ass, TNA is hard to watch

[BigDaddyCool]

So I was flipping through the channels, and TNA was having their monday night replay on Spike or whatever. So I says, lets give them another chance (this has to be up to like 10 now). I catch a match between Elix Skipper, Sonjay Dutt, and some dude named Maverick or something. Anyhow, the match reeked of crap. The wrestling was decent at best...well it wasn't really wrestling, I don't recall seeing an grappling, it was all striking and splashes. The announcing was god awful. It made me miss Tony Shivony get all gay over a scoop slam. I couldn't tell who was heel and who was face. Plus I'm sure the entire audience was a plant, not like 1 or 2, but the entire fucking thing. How could I tell, well the match sucked, but they were still cheering like it was Hogan vs. Rock. Plus, Elix did some sort of corkscrew plancha which is pretty common place now a days, and the crowd starts chanting TNA. It is one thing when Mike Awesome awesome bombs someone through a table on the floor from the middle of the ring and the crowd to chant ECW, but TNA chants for a rather common place move?

If I'm being to harsh, um, maybe they shouldn't suck.

[The One]

I LOVE BDC!

[McLegend]

I love TNA, but it's annoying as hell when they don't sell the moves.

Also yes the dueling crowd chants for lowcarders is terrible.

[redoneja]

Don West is the only reason I watch iMPACT

[BigDaddyCool]

Ok, just watched another match, Abyss vs. some TNA jobber. You know you have to suck when TNA won't give you entrance music. Anyhow, the wrestling still sucked, and so did the announce, oh, but also this time the ref sucked.

Also, what the hell is Abyss, some sort of joke? Hey, I know what a good gimmick would be, lets combine Kane and Mankind with a touch of Cena (the chains), make him do a stupid little pose, and give him the poor man's Paul Bearer as a manager. That will get over right?

The next match is going to be Konnan and some other jerks. Guess what, not watching it. Konnan sucked in WCW, and now that he is older and not as well paid how could he be any better?

[BigDaddyCool]

Don West is the only reason I watch iMPACT

Who the fuck is Don West?

[The One]

Chris Daniels and Eric Young are really the only things worth watching in TNA...and Eric Young is treated with a joke gimmick, so it kind of makes it hard to watch him even.

[The One]

Who the fuck is Don West?

The non-Mike Tenay announcer.

[McLegend]

I watch it mostly for AJ, (who I know BDC hates with a passion) Joe, and Daniels. I still like some of the wrestling.

[BigDaddyCool]

I guess I watched TNA for one reason. That reason is that I hate fish. Can't stand it, lucky I live in the middle of the country and beef is plentiful. But every so often I think to myself, well maybe I just haven't got the right piece of fish I'm being closed minded. So I try like some salmon or white fish or something, and guess what, I still hate it. So every so often I check to make sure TNA still sucks, and guess what, it still does.

[McLegend]

Also Don West looks a lot like Mark Madden.

[BigDaddyCool]

I watch it mostly for AJ, (who I know BDC hates with a passion) Joe, and Daniels. I still like some of the wrestling.

AJ Styles can suck the shit out of my ass with a straw.

[BigDaddyCool]

Also Don West looks a lot like Mark Madden.

Why don't they just get Mark Madden, I liked him in a sick sort of way.

[McLegend]

AJ Styles can suck the shit out of my ass with a straw.
Yeah I knew that

[redoneja]

Seriously, just watch Don West. Its ROFL

[BigDaddyCool]

Hey, is Nash still on TNA?

[The One]

Who here watches South Park? You do? You know the episode where the Future people come back and start taking jobs away from the present day folks...you know the guy who is always say "They took our jobs!"...

Yeah, Don West's voice reminds me of that guy.

[McLegend]

Not really. Rumor was he wanted to do a tag team with Sean Waltman, but TNA managment didn't want that.

[The One]

Hey, is Nash still on TNA?

No, he got sick before Bound For Glory...he was supposed to Fight Jarrett, but had Rhino win the title instead. I heard it was something to do with his heart. Anyway he hasn't been back, though has tried to purpose he and Sean Waltman have a Tag Team...but TNA didn't bite.

[Champion of Europa]

As a founding member of the Church of Bischoff:

TNA needs more Bischoff.

[BigDaddyCool]

prince of punk?!?!?!? is shannon moore retarded?

[The One]

Yes. Yes he is.

He is also now signed to a WWE contract (that was his last TNA match).

[BigDaddyCool]

As a founding member of the Church of Bischoff:

TNA needs more Bischoff.

As founding memeber of Chruch of Bischoff, Bischoff doesn't need to besmerch his name on TNA.

[redoneja]

Who here watches South Park? You do? You know the episode where the Future people come back and start taking jobs away from the present day folks...you know the guy who is always say "They took our jobs!"...

Yeah, Don West's voice reminds me of that guy.

I know what you mean. ANYTHING could happen and he would be like "OH MY GOD, THIS IS INCREDIBLE. WOW."

His facial expressions are hilarious too.

[Mr. JL]

Yeah, Michael Shane or Matt Bentley I mean, has a new name in Maverick Matt.

I swear Michael Shane and Billy Gunn must have a 2 dollar bet on how many names they can be called in TNA before it goes out of business.

[BigDaddyCool]

No, he got sick before Bound For Glory...he was supposed to Fight Jarrett, but had Rhino win the title instead. I heard it was something to do with his heart. Anyway he hasn't been back, though has tried to purpose he and Sean Waltman have a Tag Team...but TNA didn't bite.

Oh, it just keeps getting worse.

[McLegend]

I thought the 8 man tag was a pretty good match to

[McLegend]

I know what you mean. ANYTHING could happen and he would be like "OH MY GOD, THIS IS INCREDIBLE. WOW."

His facial expressions are hilarious too.
Don West should pimp his merchandise on Impact.

That would be ratings.

[The One]

Yeah, Michael Shane or Matt Bentley I mean, has a new name in Maverick Matt.

I swear Michael Shane and Billy Gunn must have a 2 dollar bet on how many names they can be called in TNA before it goes out of business.

You know neither one of them can afford to lose a 2 dollar bet.

(why am I taking cracks at Billy Gunn??? Forget I said anything :shifty: )

[BigDaddyCool]

Rhino is getting fat.

Oh, hey when is WWE going to sign Chris Daniels, he is the only guy I really like.

[NeanderCarl]

The next match is going to be Konnan and some other jerks. Guess what, not watching it. Konnan sucked in WCW, and now that he is older and not as well paid how could he be any better?

LOL. Spot on.

[Champion of Europa]

As founding memeber of Chruch of Bischoff, Bischoff doesn't need to besmerch his name on TNA.

OK, you've got me there. I'd rather him off my TV than on TNA.

[The One]

He is signed to a written contract (one of the 5 TNA currently has out right now) until 2008...so sometime after that WWE can get to him and job the shit out of him.

[BigDaddyCool]

Alls I'm saying is that if TNA still had Nash, then it could use him as a scape goat by saying it is all his fault it sucks because he is holding everyone down. Nash would joke about that being true, and everyone would agree. But without him, it becomes obivous that the product in general sucks.

[The One]

Gotta love Nash. Makes a career out of being the scapegoat.

[McLegend]

I'm sure if we tried we could find away to blame it on Nash.

We might have to try really hard though.

[The One]

He was there when they first got on FSN and monthly 3 hour PPVs. :shifty:

[BigDaddyCool]

Ok, here is my promise. After I learn to wrestle from probably Lance Storm, I'll probably get signed with TNA because the money will probably be better there than the indy curcuit, and lets face it, I'm whore. What do I promise? I promise to be the most innovative guy on the show. Wanna know how? I'm going to fucking wrestle. Not all that acrobatic, flip around, can't quite tell who is on the offensive bullshit. No, I'm going to use moves like arm drags, ddts, piledrives, atomic drops, sto's, stf's, russian leg sweeps. You know, the wrestling we are use to seeing. I figure simply using an older style of wrestling would be unique there. Wrestling loses its magic when everyone tries to be RVD.

[BigDaddyCool]

Hey, you know earlier when I said the entire TNA live audience is a plant? I'm also pretty sure they pipe in extra cheering and pops as well.

Also, in reference to me calling Shannon Moore a retard is that he has about as much to do with being punk as I do with keeping my mouth shut when I have nothing nice to say. That's right, nothing.

[Bad Company]

rofl, hasn't nash already come to TNA to brag about being a shitty worker?

Also, At least they have steiner now

[McLegend]

If anything TNA Somtimes edits the crowd to not sound as loud believe it or not. Especially when they are doing dueling chant for a face and heel.

Also the crowd isn't plants. They are genuine TNA fans.

[RGWhat316]

My wrestling fans always rave about how good TNA is, but whenever I get a chance to watch it, which is rare anyways, it sucks. The crowd is even worse. They will boo the hell anytime WWE is mentioned, but they will chant TNA when something is done, that you can see on WWE.

I know some people that went to the house show in the Detroit area this weekend, saying it was the best ever. But I watched the video on TNA's website, and there's a huge pop when AJ flips over the top rope. Hell RVD just did that on RAW tonight. So for a wrestling organization, I really don't see too much wrestling. It's really just all acrobatics.

[McLegend]

rofl, hasn't nash already come to TNA to brag about being a shitty worker?
Yeah he did that last year when he was in the Kings of wrestling. It was good stuff.

[Dorkchop]

Who here watches South Park? You do? You know the episode where the Future people come back and start taking jobs away from the present day folks...you know the guy who is always say "They took our jobs!"...

Yeah, Don West's voice reminds me of that guy.

THEY TERK ERR JERBS!

[BigDaddyCool]

If anything TNA Somtimes edits the crowd to not sound as loud believe it or not. Especially when they are doing dueling chant for a face and heel.

Also the crowd isn't plants. They are genuine TNA fans.

Ah, so tna fans are just as retarded as shannon moore?

[McLegend]

Yes

[BigDaddyCool]

So from what I take it, everyone else feels that same way I do, they just tune into TNA to see what they pass off for wrestling every few months?

[McLegend]

Honestly I do enjoy TNA and every now and then you will get a good match with spots that flow well in the match.

Also Samoa Joe and AJ (Yes I know you hate him). Also I like AMW. They're hilarious heels.

[Rammsteinmad]

I like TNA.

Now, obviously I don't like it more than WWE, but the thing is at least TNA is unpredictable (to me anyway).

[Xero]

The only reasons I stop for TNA for a prolonged period is if Joe, Christian, Steiner, or a good X Div match is on. Otherwise I'll stop for a few minutes and just change the channel.

I would probably watch it all the way through if it wasn't on so fucking late, though. I don't want to watch something that I want to remember for the most part at 11...

[Londoner]

Only thing that interests me about TNA is what interests everyone else, Samoa Joe/Aj/daniels, and obviously Christian.The Dudleys had me interested for a while but now I just don't give a fuck about them because tag team matches in TNA are even worse than in WWE.

Seriously, if you think WWE tag team matches are bad, watch TNA and you will see the difference.TNA should also quit with this squash/jobber show idea, who wants to watch a show where the only thing worth watching is the main event?

[Xero]

Only thing that interests me about TNA is what interests everyone else, Samoa Joe/Aj/daniels, and obviously Christian.The Dudleys had me interested for a while but now I just don't give a fuck about them because tag team matches in TNA are even worse than in WWE.

Seriously, if you think WWE tag team matches are bad, watch TNA and you will see the difference.TNA should also quit with this squash/jobber show idea, who wants to watch a show where the only thing worth watching is the main event?
Who wants to watch a show where the only thing worth watching is someone eating worms?

[Londoner]

Who wants to watch a show where the only thing worth watching is someone eating worms?


Since when is Smackdown only worth watching for some guy eating worms?Smackdown has been far better than Raw lately, though that isn't saying much.

[The Mackem]

I could go for some worms right about now.

[The Mackem]

http://karmaswrestlingretro.com/scotty2.jpg


Take it outside Scotty.

[The Mackem]

http://www.britain.tv/images/model_pic/scotty_2_hotty.jpg

You jerk!

[Kane Knight]

Plus I'm sure the entire audience was a plant, not like 1 or 2, but the entire fucking thing. How could I tell, well the match sucked, but they were still cheering like it was Hogan vs. Rock.

Naw. They're just retarded. They cheer heels, cheer faces, and think "This is awesome" and "OoooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ABYSS" are good chants.

[Kane Knight]

Since when is Smackdown only worth watching for some guy eating worms?Smackdown has been far better than Raw lately, though that isn't saying much.

I agree.


Paul Burchill. His feud with Regal could be bloody awesome. All he needs is a buccaneer or two...:shifty:
Chris Benoit's been doing great.
JBL, period. With a broken hand, JBL Still>90% of the lockeroom.
MNM are finally entertaining me (Waiting to see if it was a fluke)
Angle/Taker made me care about Taker again.Raw has:


Michaels, and my interest in him is killed by his constant fighting with the McMahons.
HHH, who is the best thing going right now, and his feud with Cena even makes wiggers look entertaining
That's all.

[Dorkchop]

Paul Burchill. His feud with Regal could be bloody awesome. All he needs is a buccaneer or two...:shifty:

I agree. William Regal is doing such a great job with this. I think he's the only guy who could do this angle right. His reactions to everything are great. I really hope we're treated to a lot of Regal Burchill matches. Regal is amazing in the ring.

[Stickman]

Yup, tna is awful. I was channel surfing with my girlfriend and we had Raw and tna on at the same time (TSN) and I wanted to stop at tna for a bit. My girlfriend said it was terrible, I asked if it's worse than WWE she said hell yeah. She can't stand wrestling at all.

I agree with all the negativity towards their product in this thread. It really is that bad.

[LK]

Now come on guys the crowd at TNA isn't that bad. Last time I watched Impact, it appeared that they have turned on Lance Hoyt so there is some hope.

[McLegend]

The crowd definitely has thier moments. Sometimes the crowd is hilarious, but other times they aren't.

If TNA just did a few shows here or there in Universal the crowd would be awsome. It's just that they have gotten old since we see and hear the same people everyweek

[Xero]

Ooooooooooooooooooooooo ABYSS ABYSS ABYss AByss Abyss abyss...

[Cactus Sid]

If I ever stop at Impact on the wrestling channel, its usually pretty shit, but most of the PPV's I've seen have been hella entertaining, more entertaining than most of the WWE ones I've seen of late.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

I just download the PPVs and occasionally an Impact or two. I just tend to watch for AJ/Joe/Daniels, Christian (if he's not wrestling Jarrett or Monty fucking Brown :roll: ) and the GeNext guys (i.e. Alex Shelley, Austin Aries, Roderick Strong). Other than I agree it's not too great, which is a shame.

RoH > TNA

BTW BDC if you like Lance Storm he will be wrestling in RoH April 1st for the world title.

[St. Jimmy]

i personally think Joe is over-rated, but if the push him to the moon, and give him and Christain some time to build a good fued, i may be interested.

they made me remember why i don't like tag wrestling.
don west is funny, IMO. because he's the poor mans Tony Shivone'
(wow, let THAT sink in)

the X division isn't as good as it could be.
they need new writers. hands down.

[Kane Knight]

Now come on guys the crowd at TNA isn't that bad. Last time I watched Impact, it appeared that they have turned on Lance Hoyt so there is some hope.


Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Lance Hoyt!

[Destor]

I am sooo glad I have found a board that doesn't suck TNA's dick. I'd rep you all but I am lazy.

[Kane Knight]

Oh, I suck TNA's dick, I just talk about him behind his back afterwards.

[BigDaddyCool]

I am sooo glad I have found a board that doesn't suck TNA's dick. I'd rep you all but I am lazy.

Then just rep me, and be lazy about everyone else.

[Londoner]

If I ever stop at Impact on the wrestling channel, its usually pretty shit, but most of the PPV's I've seen have been hella entertaining, more entertaining than most of the WWE ones I've seen of late.

Yeah the PPV's are good, but their main show is meant to be Impact, and they treat it like shit.

[Londoner]

Ooooooooooooooooooooooo ABYSS ABYSS ABYss AByss Abyss abyss...

I hadn't heard that chant until recently, I was laughing my ass off, I had to turn the channel because the chant was so awful.

[Londoner]

Then just rep TL and be lazy about everyone else.

I agree with BDC.:shifty:

[Kane Knight]

I hadn't heard that chant until recently, I was laughing my ass off, I had to turn the channel because the chant was so awful.

Did you see Sting's "farewell?"

They had some chants that made the Abyss chans look good.

[PullMyFinger]

TNA can have its good moments and it can also have its bad moments.

It's good moments are rare though I noticed.

1 - I FUCKING DESPISE THE IMPACT ZONE CROWD. Like everyone stated above, they get an orgasm over simple moves that even RVD does. I don't blame Alex Shelley at all for calling them retards. They boo WWE like mad, and chant TNA TNA TNA! as if it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

2 - Impact looks like a poor man's version of Thunder.

3 - Get rid of the 6 sided ring already. I've tried to force myself to like it for a whole year now, but just can't take it anymore.

4 - Alex Shelley, Joe, Daniels, Sting, Steiner, etc. are reasons why I watch.

5 - Their storylines are cheesy and come out like shit, except for the Sting angle and even that is corny.

6 - TOO MANY FUCKING TAG MATCHES. I hate anything more than 1 tag match per hour.

7 - How about you fucking leave the Impact Zone already?

8 - This fits in with #1 but since it's so terrible, I had to put it separately....THE STUPID CROWD CHANTS! Oooooo Abyss

9 - Did I mention their retarded fans that think TNA needs little to no storylines, little to no star power, and just want to see ROH lite on TV? Ridiculous.

TNA has really gotta get its act together.

[McLegend]

Did you see Sting's "farewell?"

They had some chants that made the Abyss chans look good.
Nah the crowd was good during his match and his promo, which was a really good promo btw.

[McLegend]

Why does that bother everyone when they boo the WWE?

ECW crowd did it to as did the WCW crowd. Same way with WCW and the WWE crowd.

Out of all things to hate that crowd for that is definitely the worse reason.

[King Jericho]

Yeah, Don West's voice reminds me of that guy.

Durkka Duuuur.

[Johnny Vegas]

Why does that bother everyone when they boo the WWE?

ECW crowd did it to as did the WCW crowd. Same way with WCW and the WWE crowd.

Out of all things to hate that crowd for that is definitely not the worse reason.

[Kane Knight]

Nah the crowd was good during his match and his promo, which was a really good promo btw.

The rpomo was good (Though it was a dumb thing to do on his first Impact appearance), but the crowd was retarded.

[Kane Knight]

TNA can have its good moments and it can also have its bad moments.

It's good moments are rare though I noticed.

1 - I FUCKING DESPISE THE IMPACT ZONE CROWD. Like everyone stated above, they get an orgasm over simple moves that even RVD does. I don't blame Alex Shelley at all for calling them retards. They boo WWE like mad, and chant TNA TNA TNA! as if it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

2 - Impact looks like a poor man's version of Thunder.

3 - Get rid of the 6 sided ring already. I've tried to force myself to like it for a whole year now, but just can't take it anymore.

4 - Alex Shelley, Joe, Daniels, Sting, Steiner, etc. are reasons why I watch.

5 - Their storylines are cheesy and come out like shit, except for the Sting angle and even that is corny.

6 - TOO MANY FUCKING TAG MATCHES. I hate anything more than 1 tag match per hour.

7 - How about you fucking leave the Impact Zone already?

8 - This fits in with #1 but since it's so terrible, I had to put it separately....THE STUPID CROWD CHANTS! Oooooo Abyss

9 - Did I mention their retarded fans that think TNA needs little to no storylines, little to no star power, and just want to see ROH lite on TV? Ridiculous.

TNA has really gotta get its act together.

1. The only reason TNA needs to tour is so they can get rid of those fucking psychos. They are one of the worst elements of the show on so many levels.

2. It actually makes most second-rate productions look like quality.

3. I'm indifferent to the ring. I think it'll stick around because it's like their only selling point in terms of how they're different from WCW and such.

4. And half of them are being used like shit.

5. I like most of the storylines. The Sting one sucks ass.

6. I can't agree more, especially in the face of the number of 6 and 8 man tags in the ME. They have limited time to showcase all their talent, but this is kinda a waste.

7. So they don't lose MORE money? I'm sure they're starting to take a hit from their house shows, and they've had...One?

8. And the inability to like, boo people (Even before the fucking ejection rule) and the like.

9. TNA's fanbase wants to be ECW. They want to be counter-culture, and part of how they do it is by trying to rabidly abandon everything that WWE does...

Like stories, storytelling, ring psychology, basically everything except running the title into the ground by making your "top guy" bury everyone worth a fuck.

[BigDaddyCool]

What is up with this "Samoa Joe?" He looks like a malnurished Rikishi, plus he was on Distraction on comdey central once, and I didn't really care.

[Kane Knight]

Samoa Joe is known for having a huge arsenal of submission moves, twice John Cena's.

[BigDaddyCool]

Samoa Joe is known for having a huge arsenal of submission moves, twice John Cena's.

So, what is that, 2?

[Shadow]

4 actually

Cena has the STFU and the "I'M SO BORING I MAKE MY OPPONENTS SUBMIT WHENEVER I GET IN THE RING!"

[Mr. Nerfect]

I've never actually watched Impact! or a TNA PPV, because we don't get them over here in Australia, but from what I've heard and what I've seen, the stuff on TNA is better than the WWE.

The X-Division is exciting, and they have Christian. All they need is to have a longer show so they can have space between things. Apparently TNA uses time really well, and right now they barely have any.

I'm going to give TNA the benefit of the doubt, because they at least try and cater to a niche market. I do think they have a chance at giving the WWE a run for its money in terms of quality. When TNA starts making a profit, I think it is going to boom.

[Londoner]

I've never actually watched Impact! or a TNA PPV, because we don't get them over here in Australia, but from what I've heard and what I've seen, the stuff on TNA is better than the WWE.

The X-Division is exciting, and they have Christian. All they need is to have a longer show so they can have space between things. Apparently TNA uses time really well, and right now they barely have any.

I'm going to give TNA the benefit of the doubt, because they at least try and cater to a niche market. I do think they have a chance at giving the WWE a run for its money in terms of quality. When TNA starts making a profit, I think it is going to boom.

As you said, you haven't seen Impact, so I don't think you can actually give them the benefit of the doubt.If you watched Impact you would understand this thread.They do put on good PPV's as i've said already though, but that isn't how you get new fans into your product.

[Kane Knight]

So, what is that, 2?

Word.

[Kane Knight]

I've never actually watched Impact! or a TNA PPV, because we don't get them over here in Australia, but from what I've heard and what I've seen, the stuff on TNA is better than the WWE.

The X-Division is exciting, and they have Christian. All they need is to have a longer show so they can have space between things. Apparently TNA uses time really well, and right now they barely have any.

I'm going to give TNA the benefit of the doubt, because they at least try and cater to a niche market. I do think they have a chance at giving the WWE a run for its money in terms of quality. When TNA starts making a profit, I think it is going to boom.

IT's exciting, if you don't mind most of the wrestlers being spotmonkeys.

[Volare]

I still like Jarret holding on to his "spot" by keeping the fuckin title for that god damn long

and having people job to him thnx to....Gail Kim interfering?? lmfao

[The Optimist]

I'm done with my charade. . .I am coming out of the closet. I LOVE TNA wrestling's X-division. I can't help it, the WWE had made me think that all wrestlers beside a chosen few were old, slow, and had to be 290 lbs. to entertain me. TNA made me remember fast, high flying, everything or nothing, wrestlers using every part of their body to try to knock out the other guy.
So they can't all wrestle as well as some of the guys in the WWE, they still entertain me. I can't tell who the heel is, I can't tell who the face is, I like that, it lets me judge the man on how entertaining he is.
Tenay would not be my first choice of announcer, I will admit that but TNA's management has done some godawful things I just mark that on the list.
The fans in the arena have been watching TNA for three or more years, they love it unconditionally. Most of the time I just laugh at them and their chants.

[Hardkore Kidd J]

I like TNA I don't think it's bad at all. But I'm not gonna have the typical TNA lover responce "WWE SUX TNA RULZ FUK VINCE! 11111" All I'm saying is they have their moments. The TNA chants get real annoying for me I don't mind if they did it on special occasions[Ultimate X matches which they seem too do 5-6 times a year maybe even more etc.etc.] When I first heard about Billy Gunn and BG James teaming up I was excited because I was hoping too see a NAO reunion. But, that's just the thing they weren't the same NAO they were worse. All I'm saying is TNA is good if the WWE cruiserweights aren't good enough for you. Because I see TNA as kinda a spot fest Federation. The main eventers are ok but the people who get the most air time are the people that do flips around the ring like acrobats. Not saying I don't like TNA just saying it's good for WWE isn't on TV.

[The One]

I love NAO...but you're right, James Gang is NOT the New Age Outlaws.

[Kane Knight]

I like TNA I don't think it's bad at all. But I'm not gonna have the typical TNA lover responce "WWE SUX TNA RULZ FUK VINCE! 11111" All I'm saying is they have their moments. The TNA chants get real annoying for me I don't mind if they did it on special occasions[Ultimate X matches which they seem too do 5-6 times a year maybe even more etc.etc.] When I first heard about Billy Gunn and BG James teaming up I was excited because I was hoping too see a NAO reunion. But, that's just the thing they weren't the same NAO they were worse. All I'm saying is TNA is good if the WWE cruiserweights aren't good enough for you. Because I see TNA as kinda a spot fest Federation. The main eventers are ok but the people who get the most air time are the people that do flips around the ring like acrobats. Not saying I don't like TNA just saying it's good for WWE isn't on TV.

TNA's all frosting. Well, almost all.

WWE's like Hot Lunch at high school. It's usually some variation of Meat Loaf or Salisburry Steak. It's old, it's bland, it's boring, and you get the feeling that the people cooking it must really hate you for some reason.

WWE has boring, predictable matches which are hard for a fan to watch. Its storylines are played out and there's no longer anything exciting.

But then, TNA's sickening for a different reason. You can't eat a whole bowl of frosting without some problems. TNA is spots, it's flash, it's got very little substance. It's not horribly memorable beyond the fact that they abuse their spots like nobody's business. This isn't a good thing as they rely on crutches such as spots and "OH MY GAWD! SIX SIDED RING!" And they wear out their gimmick matches faster than WWE does (Compare the EC to Six Sides of Steel).

[Hardkore Kidd J]

TNA's all frosting. Well, almost all.

WWE's like Hot Lunch at high school. It's usually some variation of Meat Loaf or Salisburry Steak. It's old, it's bland, it's boring, and you get the feeling that the people cooking it must really hate you for some reason.

WWE has boring, predictable matches which are hard for a fan to watch. Its storylines are played out and there's no longer anything exciting.

But then, TNA's sickening for a different reason. You can't eat a whole bowl of frosting without some problems. TNA is spots, it's flash, it's got very little substance. It's not horribly memorable beyond the fact that they abuse their spots like nobody's business. This isn't a good thing as they rely on crutches such as spots and "OH MY GAWD! SIX SIDED RING!" And they wear out their gimmick matches faster than WWE does (Compare the EC to Six Sides of Steel).

I agree I basically said TNA was all right for what it is and that is a Spot Fest federation and not the good kind like ECW. This is why I always get mad when a retard posts a topic on TPWW about TNA being at the same level as WWE. TNA will NEVER be on the same page as WWE.

[Kane Knight]

I agree I basically said TNA was all right for what it is and that is a Spot Fest federation and not the good kind like ECW. This is why I always get mad when a retard posts a topic on TPWW about TNA being at the same level as WWE. TNA will NEVER be on the same page as WWE.

God, I hope not. That would just be trading one kind of suck for another. Honestly.

TNA's bad, but so's WWE right now. It's a pervasive issue. TNA has good points, WWE has good points. To trade off your bad points for someone else's though, would be totally bad.

[.44 Magdalene]

I love TNA, personally.

...But keep in mind, I don't get UPN. All I have to compare with is RAW. Smackdown! sounds pretty sexy, but as I can't watch it, I'm stucking begging Jesus to give TNA an extra hour on TV.

[Mr. JL]

Yeah, TNA totally kills any of their creative gimmick matches. The Ultimate X Match is the perfect example. It has only been around for maybe three years yet there have been around 10 or so of these matches already.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, TNA totally kills any of their creative gimmick matches. The Ultimate X Match is the perfect example. It has only been around for maybe three years yet there have been around 10 or so of these matches already.

I know. They need to stop milking their gimmicks and bring in some substance.

[Mr. JL]

They need Paul Heyman... the King of Substance and the only man who could make a bunch of substance abusers appeal to a audience for seven or so years.

[The One]

I know. They need to stop milking their gimmicks and bring in some substance.

Uhhh...if TNA doesn't milk their bad gimmicks, they have nothing else to hype. It's not like most will pay to see Daniels, Styles, Sabin, Jarrett, etc. on their on.

[Kane Knight]

Uhhh...if TNA doesn't milk their bad gimmicks, they have nothing else to hype. It's not like most will pay to see Daniels, Styles, Sabin, Jarrett, etc. on their on.

I think if they build some of these people up, give folks a reason to give a shit, they could turn them into actual draws.

Moreso than 6 sides part 3,000,000.

Except Jarrett. He was a hasbeen before TNA was a gleam in the shorts of the wrestling kingdom.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I suppose spotfests are abusive, but if I did have to choose between either seeing too many spotfests and seeing not enough, I'd choose seeing too many.

TNA has got some right ideas. Sabu vs. Samoa Joe at Lockdown. I do not even cream myself at the mention of Sabu or Joe, but I am going to cream myself for that.

Christian is also facing Abyss. I like Abyss. The guy is pretty decent, and his character, although it looks like a rip-off of Kane & Mankind, is really a pretty good one when you think about it. He plays the role of monster well, so Christian will look good when he beats him to retain the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

One thing I wouldn't mind TNA doing, is cutting ring entrances from their show. Hear me out. I know it sounds cheap, but everytime I go to perform on stage, I don't get theme music. Everytime I say something, I don't have music to make my point look strong. If TNA can make music in their wrestling show look unimportant, they can attack the WWE with this. The TNA guys don't waste time with music, why do the WWE guys? It's just a little thing I wouldn't mind seeing them try. This cuts off a few minutes from their show, which can then be used to give guys a little longer to tell stories in their matches.

I don't mind the six-sided ring. I don't see what the big deal is, it's the same as any other ring, it just has more sides. I would like to see wrestlers try and play up this fact a bit more. Running the ropes could become more of a strategy, and tag matches could be a lot of fun.

All TNA needs to do is focus on bettering themselves. They only have an hour to showcase talent, work out how to get the most of that hour. They only have a few credible main eventers, work out ways to get those main eventers putting over other guys.

I have never seen a full Impact! or TNA PPV, but I have watched a few matches here and there, and what I have seen has been good. I haven't seen enough to be sick of the style, nor have I seen enough to really be a die-hard fan. I wish them the best, though.

So my suggestions to TNA are this:
*Try and cut as many costs as possible. Less videos, less music, lets lightning, use your talent to put on a show.
*Do not use jobbers as much. Use your under-exposed talent.
*Allow your X-Division guys to slow things down a bit occasionally.
*Keep putting your Championship matches on last (I love this about TNA)
*Use the internet. Smarks are a strong majority of your fanbase, appeal to them by showing TNA's best matches, exclusive promos, exclusive matches, etc. on your website.
*Don't put on so much Konnan/older talent crap.
*Maybe you could start charging admission? Not much, maybe like $5.00? It won't scare too many people away, and yu can make enough money to buy a better set, get new guys in, etc.

[Arnold HamNegger]

Well, I've started watching alot of TNA and the way I would describe them to a wrestling fan who isn't familiar with them is:

"Take a normal wrestling product/show and give it an enormous amount of cocaine, crystal meth and Mountain Dew. Then give the announcers the same dose and an hour to fit everything in."

I was really getting into them, but Impact has been lacking in my opinion as of late. It sucks because I really want them to succeed and push the envelope with WWE eventually. That doesn't look like it's gonna happen anytime soon.

[Kane Knight]

If anything, the announcers are on a higher dosage.

[PullMyFinger]

I miss WCW from 1995-1998. =(

TNA really needs to cool it down with all the spots. I'm sick of the jump over the top rope.

The problem is, TNA can only evaluate with the Orlando crowd, which are the same people everytime going. When they go out frequently and start to tour...then they'll prob say "ok this is gay, cut this off, keep this, etc. etc."

[Loose Cannon]

The biggest problem I have with TNA right now as well as the WWE is NOTHING interests me really as far as storylines. And I've said it before, I watch wrestling mostly for the stories, not the matches. I've seen hundreds of great matches before, so nothng stands out to me.

This whole JJ/AMW/Abyss/Team Canada alliance thing has been running forever and it's boring the shit out of me.

I really liked the whole 3 Live Krew/Billy Gunn saga which turned into the Outlaws/LAX saga. That and the AJ/Daniels/Joe thing I have enjoyed. But those are starting to run there course with me.

[Kane Knight]

Samoa Joe...He's a good example...I'm pretty sure he's still heel, but you get like 4 people booing him, and 80 people cheering him.

Then they show who his opponent is (Spoiler free), and like, 90 people pop. I'm so confused. The TNA fans kill the atmosphere more than TNA could ever do to themselves.

Also, UltimateX would be an awesome video game match, but it's pretty bland to watch it 9 times a month.

[The One]

Is it sad the only real thing I am looking forward to with TNA has nothing to do with TNA proper, but rather with the TNA Video Game...

[Kane Knight]

D'Amore is actually entertaining me more and more.

Also, good example of them driving their shit into the ground, a PPV match (Six Sides) on Impact? Come on, it was bad enough when WWE was doing this shit. At least they have a...Whaddyacallit...Audience (such as it is)...

[The One]

Not only is there a Six Sides of Steel Match tonight, but in like 2 weeks they will have an entire fucking PPV full of the EXACT same gimmick match.

[Kane Knight]

Not only is there a Six Sides of Steel Match tonight, but in like 2 weeks they will have an entire fucking PPV full of the EXACT same gimmick match.

Yeah, I know. It's just that this is a preview of the PPV.

And on TV.

And not the first time they've done this concept. :|

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lockdown would be better if only maybe they had the titles matches in Six Sides of Steel. That way the gimmick wouldn't be overused for the rest of the year.

Bob Armstrong vs. Konnan? WHY DOES THIS NEED THE SIX SIDES OF STEEL?

I like Alex Shelley, his gimmick of using his camera to capture the faces doing stuff is fantastic. Desperately Alone Housewife starring Christian's wife? This is where they need to go with their stuff. Eventually they will hit oil.

Am I the only one who would mark out if Team Canada turned face? I mean, Petey Williams already gets cheered, and he looks like he could gather sympathy. Eric Young is hilarious, and he could make a great ally to Sting. Scott D'Amore would be the only one who would probably lose out from this, as his heel shtick is hilarious.

Have Team Canada join Christian Cage & Sting and feud with Jarrett, Steiner & AMW. Maybe they could even talk to Bret Hart about coming in, just to maybe cheer on Team Canada once or twice.

[PureHatred]

Yeah, I know. It's just that this is a preview of the PPV.

And on TV.

And not the first time they've done this concept. :|

Lockdown being the PPV where ALL MATCHES ARE IN THE CAGE!!!11!!1 is apparently going to be an annual concept. Like the Royal Rumble.



TNA marks apparently think this is a good idea.















:nono:

[The One]

Are you kidding me? TNA fans think Lockdown is the greatest thing to ever happen. The TNA sMARKS are wildly proclaiming last years to be the most innovative event in history. And I wish I was stretching their words. It also is like their highest sold PPV on DVD so far. For whatever it's worth, idiots are sold on the idea.

[Kane Knight]

Lockdown being the PPV where ALL MATCHES ARE IN THE CAGE!!!11!!1 is apparently going to be an annual concept. Like the Royal Rumble.



TNA marks apparently think this is a good idea.















:nono:

I don't get why they hate storylines and such, but think milking this gimmick to death is smart.

[Xero]

TNA sMARK: BUT ITZ NOT A STORYLINE ITZ A PPVZ!!! LOLZ!

[PureHatred]

Brought this up on another 'non-wrestling' message board. Here's the first response I got:

I think this is a great concept, not only that but the Sting vs. Jeff Jarrett in an enclosed cage with weapons hanging from the ceiling of the cage that they have to climb up and get is going to be awesome!

:nono:

[McLegend]

Well it is possible for it to be awsome.

Unlikely though

[PureHatred]

The match might be awesome. but by the time the main event rolls around, every conceivable cage spot has been done, a lot of them probably pretty poorly. The whole thing just ends up being pointless, so even if the last mathces ARE great, the interest level has waned. At least for the non-marks.

[McLegend]

good point.

[Volare]

Hatred is right

I guess someone just started watching with TNA and has no Fuckin clue what it's all about.

:roll: Plus he's in-love with a Cheap Main Eventer missing his "glory days", and someone who made the biggest mistake of his career *IMO*:nono:

[M-A-G]

One thing that bugs me about the whole "Is TNA good?" argument is that when someone starts mentioning the bad things about TNA, someone comes in and gives the defense of "Well, the WWE is doing bad things, too". Of COURSE the WWE is doing bad things and implements elements that suck. No one's talking about the WWE though. The focus is on TNA and why it's been difficult for some viewers to watch. I have yet to enjoy a single TNA event and like I mentioned sometime ago, I actually fell asleep for the first time watching a wrestling show and that show was, you guessed it, iMPACT. No one's saying the WWE is the most awesomest thing in wrestling right now because a thread pointing out the flaws and problems could be posted in a heartbeat. People are just venting their grievances about TNA. I'm sure these people are already familiar with WWE and their negatives so they don't need somebody to point them out in an attempt to defend the negatives of TNA. When you point out to someone that WWE is also doing horrible things that TNA is doing, you're agreeing that TNA is horrible as well and making the case for that person.

[Xero]

One thing that bugs me about the whole "Is TNA good?" argument is that when someone starts mentioning the bad things about TNA, someone comes in and gives the defense of "Well, the WWE is doing bad things, too". Of COURSE the WWE is doing bad things and implements elements that suck. No one's talking about the WWE though. The focus is on TNA and why it's been difficult for some viewers to watch. I have yet to enjoy a single TNA event and like I mentioned sometime ago, I actually fell asleep for the first time watching a wrestling show and that show was, you guessed it, iMPACT. No one's saying the WWE is the most awesomest thing in wrestling right now because a thread pointing out the flaws and problems could be posted in a heartbeat. People are just venting their grievances about TNA. I'm sure these people are already familiar with WWE and their negatives so they don't need somebody to point them out in an attempt to defend the negatives of TNA. When you point out to someone that WWE is also doing horrible things that TNA is doing, you're agreeing that TNA is horrible as well and making the case for that person.
It's usually TNA sMARKS who say WWE is doing bad (unless the WWE was brought up earlier) when someone says something about TNA that they can't defend properly.

[Kane Knight]

The match might be awesome. but by the time the main event rolls around, every conceivable cage spot has been done, a lot of them probably pretty poorly. The whole thing just ends up being pointless, so even if the last mathces ARE great, the interest level has waned. At least for the non-marks.

And even for a lot of the marks. The Mutants in the Impact Zone might get a hardon for "OMG! THEY DI THAT SPOT FOR THE NINTH TIME TNIGHT), but people, normal people, will get bored too.

What this says is "This is all we have."

[Kane Knight]

It's usually TNA sMARKS who say WWE is doing bad (unless the WWE was brought up earlier) when someone says something about TNA that they can't defend properly.

Well yeah.

TNA fans can't justify that they're fanboys. That's okay, there are WWE fanboys too. They're like marks on steroids, just like a company likes them: Dumb and rabid.

A lot of these guys worship TNA because it's an alternative. Most of them, as such, cannot actually give you specifics even. Most of the arguments I've had on TNA's own message board don't even bother to bring up either the good wrestlers or the staples: They could go for Daniels, Sabin, Styles, etc. But their defense will always be "Yeah, like your precious WWE is any better?"

The default assumption is that you're a WWE fanboy just because you have problems with TNA. It's like it's a conspiracy--The only reason TNA doesn't have 5.0 ratings is because some "Bad apples" at home don't care enough to watch and everyone else is jjust following along...

They don't want to admit that spots are not enough for most people. They don't want to admit that Jarrett is a severe deterrent. They don't want to admit that TNA makes some seriously shitty booking/purchase decisions. They don't want to admit that most people like drama in their wrestling. They don't want to admit most of these things, because they don't know the product beyond "ZOMG! It's not WWE!" And think everyone'll just jump on the bangwagon because of that alone.

TNA makes some really stupid decisions. And so does WWE. WWE can afford it: They are the alpha male, the leader in ratings, and the watermark of current wrestling entertainment.

People will watch WWE because they've grown up with it, it's been around, and they know the people. They can work in ways TNA cannot, becase they need to establish themselves

Triple H can afford tol hold down talent because he's a name, he makes appearances on Letterman and O'Brien, casual fans are more likely to know him, etc. JJ cannot do the same because he was a midcard jobber who lost to Chyna and hasn't been a household name since...Errr...Line?

Hate to say it, but WWE can afford to give Hogan and Flair title shots. TNA can't afford to give Nash a title shot. And that's not even counting the tricep tear he'd get hoisting the title.

WWE can afford to be a lot dumber, so when they bring this shit up, they lose.

[PureHatred]

Along those lines, people tend to forget that the WWF was doing some stupid things during the Monday Night Wars era, too. But they were better than WCW.

That's it. Be better.

As KK said, TNA is not in a position to make the kind of basic booking mistakes they've made up to this point. Seriously, if you look at them they are a lot like Jim Crockett Productions in that they seem to be "succeeding" despite themselves.

They need to be producing shows that are over-all better than their competition. Not just a PPV with one blow away match and then everything else is crap. Not two decent segments and an hours worth of jobber matches.

I will buy the TNA once I see one show that is top to bottom better than what their competition is producing.

[Xero]

TNA has to stop doing what WCW did. They're bringing in some of the old names who the WWE never thought to re-sign/sign. If they're going to hire big names, spread the fucking money around, don't go throwing million dollar contracts to the first guy you see at an indy event just because they were huge 5 to 10 years ago.

Christian was the only signing (out of him, Sting and Steiner) who they should have signed to a huge contract, and rightfully so. He hasn't been played out to the point that he's a generic huge star, playing their old gimmick/trying to change them to a gimmick that doesn't work because people don't buy them as anything else but what they played when they were huge. That's the key. He isn't a Sting or a Steiner, so while he WAS in the WWE, TNA can take his momentum and make him a real superstar for them.

Steiner and Sting will always be known as the main eventers who used to be in WWE and/or WCW. Christian can be know as the main eventer who made a real name for himself in TNA.

[The One]

To be fair Xero, Steiner has been flawless thus far. And while it's true the best compliment I have heard about him is "He is like he was towards the end of WCW", I can justify them bringing him in because Scott Steiner is very entertaining if done correctly. Given that his time on top of WCW was not all that long (really main eventing for less then a year) and his time in WWE was not all that meaningful...it IS possible, should Steiner stick around for a while, that Big Bad Roiding Daddy could make the most impact and have the most memorable part of his career be in TNA. Much like Jeff Jarrett was a former WCW World Champion and a WCW Main Eventer for a few years, I would argue his time in TNA is more what he will be remembered for (good or bad). Oh and Sting has proven to bring in ratings (on the ONE iMPACT! he actually showed up to).

Now I know I personally like to rip the shit out of TNA, fuck, who doesn't. One, it's fun to piss off sMARKS who are clueless on how to defend their product other then to say "WWE sux!1!1!!!!" and two, it's just so fucking easy. BUT there is a secert part three as to why I can rip into TNA so easily. I watch TNA religiously. It has actually become a tradition with my room mate (who hasn't watched wrestling since the late 80's) and I to sit down with a few beers and watch "iMPACT!". I watched Saturday Night Main Event, that was the last WWE event I watched and honestly it was probably a few weeks since I had watched WWE before that.

Simply put, I just don't watch WWE anymore. And it's not even that I am too busy too, I just don't care. While TNA is filled with problems, I still care about the product. It is new, it is different, and while the traditional form of story telling in the ring is slaughtered, TNA has a diferent form of marketing. Establish though short breif segements who will fight at the PPV, then throw them in jobber matches with the announcers talking about their PPV oponite, then throw an over the top gimmick to the match itself. Is it the traditional way to promote a PPV match during the national TV deal era? No. But actually as weird as it sounds, it is more true to the origins of pro wrestling. Now I am not suggesting we revert back to that style, but at least TNA is trying some other then the stale format WWE is using.

And let's be honest for a second, the X-Division...no it doesn't use a single ounce of wrestling psychology...but how many fans even know what wrestling psychology is? Or care to know? Or care if it's there or not. They do flashy moves. I will even admit once in a while I am impressed by some of the meaningless flash. Do I think it's good wrestling? No. I think it's flashy moves that grab people's attention. And that is what TNA needs right now, to grab people's attention and increase their fan base. WCW did the same thing with the Cruisers. Let's be honest, once the division stopped focusing on Malenko, Jericho, etc. and started focusing on Juvi, Rey, etc. it was all flash...exactly like the X-Division. And it works. People sit up and take notice of it. A lot of people used to the only reason to watch WCW was because of the Crusers...well TNA is kind of basing their entire fan base off that idea.

And then we have the mysterious X-Factor of the PPVs. Not to sound like a TNA sMARK, but TNA's PPVs are simply incredible. They are worth the $30. Plain and simple. I don't think anyone can really argue TNA puts on better quality PPVs then anyone right now, beginning to end they have an easy flow to them, and while they can be jam packed with gimmick matches...that's what TNA is needing right now. They need as much flash, shinny, look over here and pay attention to us shit as they can have because they can sell anything on their name talents. Truly the only marketable name they have is Sting. No one else can draw on their name alone. And don't bring me Samoa Joe or AJ Styles...TNA is trying to compete on a national level, not sell out a 500 seat arena/bingo hall.

To the more trained eye and educated mind; TNA is like a hot person who drools on themselves because they are so dumb. But to the group of people TNA is trying to bring in to be their fan base, it's new. It's not affraid to "go there" with the special matches, and the X-Division wrestlers do things WWE guys simply don't do. For better or worse...casual marks think an all cage match PPV is a cool idea, flashy moves are sweet, and the 6 sided ring looks awesome. Or at least the casual marks I have had conversations with. And I have to admit...at least TNA is trying.

[Fox]

They don't want to admit that spots are not enough for most people. They don't want to admit that Jarrett is a severe deterrent. They don't want to admit that TNA makes some seriously shitty booking/purchase decisions. They don't want to admit that most people like drama in their wrestling. They don't want to admit most of these things, because they don't know the product beyond "ZOMG! It's not WWE!" And think everyone'll just jump on the bangwagon because of that alone.

TNA makes some really stupid decisions. And so does WWE. WWE can afford it: They are the alpha male, the leader in ratings, and the watermark of current wrestling entertainment.

People will watch WWE because they've grown up with it, it's been around, and they know the people. They can work in ways TNA cannot, becase they need to establish themselves

Triple H can afford tol hold down talent because he's a name, he makes appearances on Letterman and O'Brien, casual fans are more likely to know him, etc. JJ cannot do the same because he was a midcard jobber who lost to Chyna and hasn't been a household name since...Errr...Line?

Hate to say it, but WWE can afford to give Hogan and Flair title shots. TNA can't afford to give Nash a title shot. And that's not even counting the tricep tear he'd get hoisting the title.

WWE can afford to be a lot dumber, so when they bring this shit up, they lose.


First, to say that it's "okay" for Triple H to hold down up and coming talent (or even just talent that's far better than he is) because WWE is "the alpha male" is ridiculous. It's exactly the type of thinking that spun WCW (another promotion that was once on top) into the ground, with guys like Hogan, Nash, and Ric Flair staying in the main events when guys like Booker T, Scott Steiner, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, and DDP were ready to take the spotlight.


TNA isn't this hell-hole, shit-bird of a wrestling company that lots of people on this forum like to make it out to be. Sure they don't have the kind of money or establishment that WWE has, but everyone has to start somewhere, and for TNA to have a national TV deal and higher ratings on Saturday night's than WWE ever did; those are very, very good signs.

Pushing stars like Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, America's Most Wanted, Christian Cage, Abyss, Petey Williams, and Chris Fucking Sabin are also all good signs that TNA is doing things right.

To call the X-Division just a "spot division" is just ignorance, and proof that the speaker of such is simply ignorant to TNA's X-Division. Yeah, you're going to get your spot-heavy matches on Impact, but that's because they only have one hour, and they need to pack in as much "adrenaline rush" as they can get. Still, these matches are much more exciting than WWE's usual five minute fares on your average RAW or Smackdown. They are also well wrestled, with crisp execution and good pacing.

Then give the guys from the X-Division more time to wrestle, like on a PPV, and you get classics like Samoa Joe vs. Chris Sabin, either of the Christopher Daniels vs. AJ Styles Iron Man Matches, AJ Styles vs. Petey Williams from Genesis, Alex Shelley vs. Jay Lethal, and countless others. These matches are more than just spot fests; they have psychology and technique implemented throughout. It's far different and far more entertaining than WWE's slow, molasses-paced crap they spew out every week.


TNA has to stop doing what WCW did. They're bringing in some of the old names who the WWE never thought to re-sign/sign. If they're going to hire big names, spread the fucking money around, don't go throwing million dollar contracts to the first guy you see at an indy event just because they were huge 5 to 10 years ago.

Christian was the only signing (out of him, Sting and Steiner) who they should have signed to a huge contract, and rightfully so. He hasn't been played out to the point that he's a generic huge star, playing their old gimmick/trying to change them to a gimmick that doesn't work because people don't buy them as anything else but what they played when they were huge. That's the key. He isn't a Sting or a Steiner, so while he WAS in the WWE, TNA can take his momentum and make him a real superstar for them.

Steiner and Sting will always be known as the main eventers who used to be in WWE and/or WCW. Christian can be know as the main eventer who made a real name for himself in TNA.

First of all, saying "They're bringing in some of the old names who the WWE never thought to re-sign/sign" and then going straight to examples of Sting, Scott Steiner and Christian Cage make you look like an idiot.

Scott Steiner WAS in fact signed after the closure of WCW, and he was horribly booked (as WWE does with all superstars not created by Vince McMahon) by turning him face and using him as build-up fodder for Triple H's WrestleMania match against Booker T at XIX. He then wasted the rest of his time in WWE in monotony, having a semi-memorable but ultimately ridiculous feud with Test over Stacy Kiebler (Steiner, an obvious jackassy heel, was STILL being booked as a face).

Sting has been negotiated with and contacted by WWE several times since the end of WCW, but he doesn't wish to join their company because of the risque nature of the show.

And Christian Cage said it himself: WWE tried to keep him, but he knew where he would be treated better and where he would be happier: TNA.

That aside,

Sting has brought TNA the highest ratings in their short-time on Spike TV; higher than Christian Cage's ratings to be sure. To say that he doesn't effect the aura surrounding TNA as a whole is ignorance. Sting, while obviously no longer in his prime, is still a huge draw and a largely recognizable symbol to wrestling fans and non-wrestling fans alike. He's an icon in this business, and for someone who's never stepped foot in a WrestleMania, that's a huge accomplishment. If Sting can be brought in to help elevate the talent at TNA, simply by his presence and the kind of exposure that garners for TNA Wrestling, then all the better for it.

Scott Steiner, although only making three appearances for the company so far, has been built up as a totally legitimate bad ass, and someone not to be fucked with, and he's come off like one on TV. I haven't seen this kind of intensity from Steiner since his final days in WCW, and that is a GOOD thing. I certainly don't want to see the panty-waste bitch that he was in WWE. Steiner is gold when he's allowed to play the macho, cocky bad ass, and that's exactly what TNA is doing.

[Kane Knight]

First, to say that it's "okay" for Triple H to hold down up and coming talent (or even just talent that's far better than he is) because WWE is "the alpha male" is ridiculous.

New Rule: Posters must pass a literacy test or be banned.

Or, to break it down for you, Fox, "can afford to" =/= "it is okay."

It's really that simple. I am not endorsing it as good, I am saying that they can get away with it at the current time.

And yes, they can afford to. You can comapre them to WCW, but until TNA has an actual attitude era, it doesn't fucking matter. WWE could main event the same guys WCW did and still be on top, because WWE still has more crossover promotional appeal.

To be honest, I'd cream myself if TNA ever put WWE in a make or break situation, adapt or die. I'd be sitting there chain orgasming over that shit, but it's nowhere near that. TNA just isn't strong enough. WWE can bargain on a name, TNA has to rely on the faith of the network hosting them. They can't even shake a primteime slot. And you can argue that they might someday be capable of an Attitude Era, it's not there now, and it's not close.

But since most of your post was a fanboyish attempt to justify TNA being in the right direction, I'll just write it off as rabid fanboyism siezing up an otherwise normally passable mind.

I just want to say: You were really full of shit in that rant. But whatever. Not worth arguing with blind fanboyism.

[The Greater Power]

Wow, TNA is completely copying the whole DDP spying on Taker's wife thing with Alex Shelley spying on Christian's wife.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wow, TNA is completely copying the whole DDP spying on Taker's wife thing with Alex Shelley spying on Christian's wife.

I like that they're trying this angle. Drama is needed in their shows. Shelley's pairing with Abyss allows that drama to be transfered over to him. It works, I think.

What TNA needs to do, in my opinion, is tell stories on Impact!. The jobber matches are fine in small doses, but I'd much rather seem them put on an actual show, with developments. From Lockdown onwards, I think TNA should have a title defended every show. Title changes should occur more often on Impact!, plus more grudge matches should take place.

Heading into Lockdown, there were some pretty simple matches TNA could have run. Christian Cage vs. Alex Shelley for the NWA World Heavyweight Campionship was one, and that would serve as the title match of the show is was on. Rhino vs. Alex Shelley is another, and a NWA Tag Team Championship match would probably headline that show. A third match could have been Christian Cage & Rhino vs. Abyss & Alex Shelley, with a TNA X-Division Championship Match headlining.

Instead we get crappy semi-promo build. Matches can build towards something, too. TNA doesn't give enough away on free TV, and while this can be seen as a good thing, with their PPVs, they can afford to give a lot more away on Impact!. It certainly won't stop the PPVs from being good, and if Impact! reaches PPV quality, it still is only a third of a PPV's length, so assuming they are equal in quality per minute, you still get your money's worth from TNA PPV.

TNA needs to identify their shows a lot more, and let them tell a story leading into the PPV, because right now you can order and watch and still be up to speed. One of the better things about the Attitude Era was that if you missed a show, you'd miss a development.