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Mr. Nerfect
03-25-2006, 08:35 PM
This is going to be an unpopular suggestion, but I am throwing it out there anyway. I don't necissarily believe what I am about to suggest should happen, but I am merely asking if it would be so bad if it did.

Here goes (*looks around nervously*)...would Mark Henry ending The Undertaker's streak at WrestleMania be so bad? Hear me out.

Mark Henry has been in the WWE for a long time, and is probably seen as one of the WWE's biggest failures. They have spent around $10 million dollars on the guy, and have gotten nothing back. While I agree Henry is more of liability to the WWE, it is obvious they have been trying to justify his being on the roster with several credible main event pushes. His current one has seen him go over 2006 Royal Rumble Winner Rey Mysterio as many as three times and seen him pick up a non-title victory over World Heavyweight Champion Kurt Angle. Having Mark Henry end The Undertaker's WrestleMania streak might be the WWE's way of justifying having him around for so long, and making the last ten years mean something, and to save them from being a complete abortion.

I'm probably going to get some negative rep for this, but Mark Henry isn't too bad in a WWE ring. His matches with Rey Mysterio were kind of exciting, and his matches with Angle, while being boring, in my opinion, have not been among the worst of all-time. To say he is undeserving of beating The Undertaker at WrestleMania when a guy like Randy Orton couldn't get it done only the year previous is certainly a fair statement, but sometimes this business isn't fair.

Now I'm not saying Henry would do this alone. That shatters anything Taker has built up over the years. I definately think The Undertaker's streak would be stolen from him, not won. Sure, seeing Ken Doane take the streak from WrestleMania 23 would be exciting, and basically solidifying Ken Doane as a main eventer for the rest of his 20+ year career (presuming nothing goes wrong), but can anyone honestly see Undertaker dropping it like this. It would kind of negate the purposes of building up the streak. It would basically say "Hey, I've won a lot of matches, but it doesn't matter, because I lost this one,". If Taker's streak ever does end, I see it being in a way that the commentators put over as being wrong.

At WrestleMania, The Undertaker doesn't need to be pinned, he doesn't need to submit. He just has to fall into a box. Despite the fact the WWE claims the Casket Match to be some kind of epic encounter, it really isn't. I think it would be far more compromising for me as a competitor to be pinned conventionally than to fall into a space. If I had won 13 major matches in a row, and I was going to lose the next one, I would like it to be because of forces beyond my control, and because I couldn't win another one. I mean, if The Undertaker loses at WrestleMania, the WWE would probably still consider him undefeated, because in today's WWE, losing unless you are pinned or you submit doesn't count as losing. They can still use the "He's never been pinned or submitted at WrestleMania!" line when promotion him.

What I am suggesting is this: The Undertaker dominates Mark Henry at WrestleMania. The match is about to go to The Undertaker when all of a sudden "AAAYEEAAALALEAAYEEYAAAYAAA" (or whatever) and Muhammad Hassan is here! He is with Daivari and the two attack The Undertaker. I think they'd be able to get Muhammad Hassan back for one night. We are reminded that The Undertaker hurt Muhammad Hassan with the Last Ride off the stage at The Great American Bash 2005, ending his career. The Undertaker manages to power out of the situation, but MNM cut off The Undertaker's comeback. We are reminded of Melina's relationship to Mark Henry. The Undertaker once again manages to make a comeback, but here is Randy Orton! We are reminded that The Undertaker beat Randy Orton at WrestleMania the previous year, and that The Undertaker defeated Orton, despite Orton claiming ending the streak was his legacy. Orton gives Taker an RKO, and then the six men, under the direction of Melina, try to get The Undertaker into the casket, but the Dead Man fights it and escapes, once again. The Undertaker makes a comeback and Chokeslams everything in sight (softening Orton up for the main event, and giving him an excuse to take the pinfall). The Undertaker could even Tombstone those who get back to their feet, probably just Muhammad Hassan & Daivari. The Undertaker is once again about to win the match when BOOM! Kane's pyros go off, and the brother of The Undertaker marches to the ring with a purpose. The Undertaker can actually get a look of fear in his eyes now, as he has had enough trouble with Kane in the past when they were standing on equal ground. The Undertaker has gone through a lot now, so there is little to no doubt Kane can have his pickings with The Undertaker. Earlier that night, have Kane turn heel after losing the World Tag Team Championships when Big Show is pinned/submits. Kane him hit his stomp off the second rope onto a chair thingy on Show. This way Kane's presence here seems even more obvious.

Kane gives The Undertaker a Chokeslam of his own. Kane rolls The Undertaker to the outside of the ring, where Kane, Randy Orton & MNM place The Undertaker into the casket, with Melina standing in the ring with Mark Henry who raises his arms. It took The World's Strongest Man, the WWE Tag Team Champions, three men and a monster to stop The Undertaker at WrestleMania. The Undertaker's past finally caught up to him, and it so happens that Mark Henry gets his name immortalised by it. Randy Orton & Kane get to put Taker into the casket, because it gives them the recognition, as longtime enemies of The Undertaker to get their revenge on him. MNM get to do it because it goes a long way to establishing them as WWE Tag Team Champions.

Mark Henry getting the official win seems a bit anti-climatic, but I think it would work. The Undertaker dropping his streak to Mark Henry seems almost like a charity thing. It would highlight his spot on the roster as a lockerroom leader, in my opinion. Of all the legendary opponents Taker has faced over the years he *CHOOSES* to drop it to Mark Henry. What better way to go out than with a sense of humour?

Flair Wooo
03-25-2006, 08:39 PM
I hate taker so I don't give a crap who beats him as long as someone does!

But he should put a young up and comer over at WM, like masters or carlito ...But will he? will he hell!

RP
03-25-2006, 08:42 PM
Where did that 10 mil go?

YOUR Hero
03-25-2006, 08:43 PM
signed a long term contract for 10 mill, I believe

RP
03-25-2006, 08:45 PM
Mark Henry got paid 10 million?

McLegend
03-25-2006, 08:46 PM
I actually have a weird feeling Henry is going over.

Mr. Nerfect
03-25-2006, 09:02 PM
I actually have a weird feeling Henry is going over.

I know what you mean. The Undertaker winning seems to be going through the motions. Mark Henry winning, in the WWE's mind at least, would be shocking. I can see them giving Henry the win, just because no one expects it to happen.

Unfortunately, I can see the WWE doing this with Edge vs. Foley as well. Everyone expects Edge to win, well, because it's the logical thing to do. Whilst some may make the same arguement for Henry/Taker, was putting these two together on the WrestleMania card a logical move in the first place? I'm probably not going to stand-by this philosophy, nor have I actually thought about what it means, but I'm going to use it anyway for the Hell of it (something the WWE was probably thinking when they booked Taker/Henry):

You can't use logic to get out of illogical situations.

The One
03-25-2006, 09:04 PM
Mark Henry got paid 10 million?

1996 he signed a 10 Year/$10 Million contract...which means after this year he is done milking WWE's tit like a baby cow.

Kalyx triaD
03-25-2006, 09:04 PM
Taker will win most likely, but your idea would 'shake things up'. It would've been so right for Randy to win last year, though.

Kane Knight
03-25-2006, 09:08 PM
I actually have a weird feeling Henry is going over.

It makes perfect sense (By WWE standards)

Angelina2K
03-25-2006, 09:16 PM
1996 he signed a 10 Year/$10 Million contract...which means after this year he is done milking WWE's tit like a baby cow.

Think of all the jobbers that could have been saved with that money :'( (or the pay rises Vince could have given to himself :shifty:

Pinnacle Charisma
03-25-2006, 09:33 PM
I would love to see in undertakers final wm match (whenever that may be) every single person that the Undertaker has defeated in his wm streak come and help Undertakers current opponent defeat him. Imagine what a huge mark out moment it would be to see the likes of Kane, Flair, HHH, Diesal, Giant Gonzalous, Orton and Sid working together to end takers legacy

Mr. Nerfect
03-25-2006, 09:35 PM
I would love to see in undertakers final wm match (whenever that may be) every single person that the Undertaker has defeated in his wm streak come and help Undertakers current opponent defeat him. Imagine what a huge mark out moment it would be to see the likes of Kane, Flair, HHH, Diesal, Giant Gonzalous, Orton and Sid working together to end takers legacy

That's something I was going for in my idea. Jake Roberts would be especially awesome.

Kalyx triaD
03-25-2006, 09:38 PM
That last ideas more tur than we all think. All fingers point to Taker's last appearence being an overly dramatic WM match with more than one guest superstar helping out someone bury the Deadman.

Wait a miniute...

Angelina2K
03-25-2006, 09:55 PM
That's something I was going for in my idea. Jake Roberts would be especially awesome.

It would make Taker's last WM memorable, I guess it would be a fitting end to the Dead Man.

Kane Knight
03-25-2006, 10:08 PM
I would love to see in undertakers final wm match (whenever that may be) every single person that the Undertaker has defeated in his wm streak come and help Undertakers current opponent defeat him. Imagine what a huge mark out moment it would be to see the likes of Kane, Flair, HHH, Diesal, Giant Gonzalous, Orton and Sid working together to end takers legacy

The hand of God would be cooler.

DaveWadding
03-26-2006, 01:44 AM
This is going to be an unpopular suggestion, but I am throwing it out there anyway. I don't necissarily believe what I am about to suggest should happen, but I am merely asking if it would be so bad if it did.

Here goes (*looks around nervously*)...would Mark Henry ending The Undertaker's streak at WrestleMania be so bad? Hear me out.

Mark Henry has been in the WWE for a long time, and is probably seen as one of the WWE's biggest failures. They have spent around $10 million dollars on the guy, and have gotten nothing back. While I agree Henry is more of liability to the WWE, it is obvious they have been trying to justify his being on the roster with several credible main event pushes. His current one has seen him go over 2006 Royal Rumble Winner Rey Mysterio as many as three times and seen him pick up a non-title victory over World Heavyweight Champion Kurt Angle. Having Mark Henry end The Undertaker's WrestleMania streak might be the WWE's way of justifying having him around for so long, and making the last ten years mean something, and to save them from being a complete abortion.

I'm probably going to get some negative rep for this, but Mark Henry isn't too bad in a WWE ring. His matches with Rey Mysterio were kind of exciting, and his matches with Angle, while being boring, in my opinion, have not been among the worst of all-time. To say he is undeserving of beating The Undertaker at WrestleMania when a guy like Randy Orton couldn't get it done only the year previous is certainly a fair statement, but sometimes this business isn't fair.

Now I'm not saying Henry would do this alone. That shatters anything Taker has built up over the years. I definately think The Undertaker's streak would be stolen from him, not won. Sure, seeing Ken Doane take the streak from WrestleMania 23 would be exciting, and basically solidifying Ken Doane as a main eventer for the rest of his 20+ year career (presuming nothing goes wrong), but can anyone honestly see Undertaker dropping it like this. It would kind of negate the purposes of building up the streak. It would basically say "Hey, I've won a lot of matches, but it doesn't matter, because I lost this one,". If Taker's streak ever does end, I see it being in a way that the commentators put over as being wrong.

At WrestleMania, The Undertaker doesn't need to be pinned, he doesn't need to submit. He just has to fall into a box. Despite the fact the WWE claims the Casket Match to be some kind of epic encounter, it really isn't. I think it would be far more compromising for me as a competitor to be pinned conventionally than to fall into a space. If I had won 13 major matches in a row, and I was going to lose the next one, I would like it to be because of forces beyond my control, and because I couldn't win another one. I mean, if The Undertaker loses at WrestleMania, the WWE would probably still consider him undefeated, because in today's WWE, losing unless you are pinned or you submit doesn't count as losing. They can still use the "He's never been pinned or submitted at WrestleMania!" line when promotion him.

What I am suggesting is this: The Undertaker dominates Mark Henry at WrestleMania. The match is about to go to The Undertaker when all of a sudden "AAAYEEAAALALEAAYEEYAAAYAAA" (or whatever) and Muhammad Hassan is here! He is with Daivari and the two attack The Undertaker. I think they'd be able to get Muhammad Hassan back for one night. We are reminded that The Undertaker hurt Muhammad Hassan with the Last Ride off the stage at The Great American Bash 2005, ending his career. The Undertaker manages to power out of the situation, but MNM cut off The Undertaker's comeback. We are reminded of Melina's relationship to Mark Henry. The Undertaker once again manages to make a comeback, but here is Randy Orton! We are reminded that The Undertaker beat Randy Orton at WrestleMania the previous year, and that The Undertaker defeated Orton, despite Orton claiming ending the streak was his legacy. Orton gives Taker an RKO, and then the six men, under the direction of Melina, try to get The Undertaker into the casket, but the Dead Man fights it and escapes, once again. The Undertaker makes a comeback and Chokeslams everything in sight (softening Orton up for the main event, and giving him an excuse to take the pinfall). The Undertaker could even Tombstone those who get back to their feet, probably just Muhammad Hassan & Daivari. The Undertaker is once again about to win the match when BOOM! Kane's pyros go off, and the brother of The Undertaker marches to the ring with a purpose. The Undertaker can actually get a look of fear in his eyes now, as he has had enough trouble with Kane in the past when they were standing on equal ground. The Undertaker has gone through a lot now, so there is little to no doubt Kane can have his pickings with The Undertaker. Earlier that night, have Kane turn heel after losing the World Tag Team Championships when Big Show is pinned/submits. Kane him hit his stomp off the second rope onto a chair thingy on Show. This way Kane's presence here seems even more obvious.

Kane gives The Undertaker a Chokeslam of his own. Kane rolls The Undertaker to the outside of the ring, where Kane, Randy Orton & MNM place The Undertaker into the casket, with Melina standing in the ring with Mark Henry who raises his arms. It took The World's Strongest Man, the WWE Tag Team Champions, three men and a monster to stop The Undertaker at WrestleMania. The Undertaker's past finally caught up to him, and it so happens that Mark Henry gets his name immortalised by it. Randy Orton & Kane get to put Taker into the casket, because it gives them the recognition, as longtime enemies of The Undertaker to get their revenge on him. MNM get to do it because it goes a long way to establishing them as WWE Tag Team Champions.

Mark Henry getting the official win seems a bit anti-climatic, but I think it would work. The Undertaker dropping his streak to Mark Henry seems almost like a charity thing. It would highlight his spot on the roster as a lockerroom leader, in my opinion. Of all the legendary opponents Taker has faced over the years he *CHOOSES* to drop it to Mark Henry. What better way to go out than with a sense of humour?

So basically what you're suggesting is we re-enact the 1994 Royal Rumble Casket fiasco all over again?? Hell, why dont we lift Val Venis to roof and pretend it's the Undertaker while we're at it?!

LK
03-26-2006, 03:54 AM
No

Corkscrewed
03-26-2006, 04:34 AM
Henry beating Taker (as opposed to a young star like Orton or even Carlito or Masters (if built up correctly) would be the worst thing they could do, because they'd be wasting history on a guy just because they think he'd be a waste if they didn't do anything.

Which means by WWE logic, it's gonna happen. :(

Mr. Nerfect
03-26-2006, 05:47 AM
So basically what you're suggesting is we re-enact the 1994 Royal Rumble Casket fiasco all over again?? Hell, why dont we lift Val Venis to roof and pretend it's the Undertaker while we're at it?!

:|

It wouldn't be the first time the WWE brought back ideas from the past.

Xero
03-26-2006, 07:26 AM
No.

I've always said (and this is coming from a Taker mark) that Taker should lose at a Mania. But good Lord, not to Mark Fucking Henry. Henry will probably be gone by this time next year, and even if he isn't I can't see him still in the main event picture.

Taker needs to job to someone who is going to and needs be put over HUGE at Mania, and it really should be Orton to solidify his Legend Killer and his own Legend status.

If they put Henry over it would be a COMPLETE waste of Taker's streak.

What Would Kevin Do?
03-26-2006, 07:32 AM
Nah, they missed the boat w/ Orton. It has to be someone else, who's not over, and younger.

Beating UT and Mania, in theory, would catipult someone into the main event.

I stand by Carlito damnit. Or maybe Kennedy.

What Would Kevin Do?
03-26-2006, 07:33 AM
A Carlito/UT feud could be great if done right. Imagine Carlito cutting a "I'm not a joke" promo ala Chris Jericho.

Also, I'd love to see UT do the whole "lights out, appear behind Carlito" thing, only for Carlito to turn, spit in his face, and start attacking UT.

Shadow
03-26-2006, 12:12 PM
To be honest with you...I doubt that having Carlito not be scared of Undertaker right in back him would help that fued. But yeah, it needs to be an up and comer. Someone who isn't Mark Henry.

Or just not have the Undertaker lose at Mania. Since really...there's no one right now who can take the glory that would be the streak ending win.

Xero
03-26-2006, 12:14 PM
I don't see Carlito as a viable streak ender to be honest. Someone like Masters could get over huge in a few years by beating Taker, as long as they don't completely shit him up after he gets his next real push.

NeanderCarl
03-26-2006, 12:54 PM
I definitely like the idea of Taker's WM winning streak coming to an end with the help of all those superstars he has beaten so far during his streak (well, those that are still alive anyway) but it shouldn't be against Mark Henry. It should be when Taker is ready to retire, and against a young guy ready to break into the main event.

And it shouldn't be Orton because he doesn't really need the rub anymore. In a year's time, there could be any number of guys ready to end the streak. Carlito, Masters, Striker, Kennedy, even maybe Batista (I know that goes against my Orton theory, but then Orton/Taker has been done too many times on PPV already.) The end of the streak could even be at the hands of a guy that has had a great rivalry with Taker over the years, such as Foley or HBK (or, most likely, HHH)

PureHatred
03-26-2006, 01:34 PM
Henry beating Taker (as opposed to a young star like Orton or even Carlito or Masters (if built up correctly) would be the worst thing they could do, because they'd be wasting history on a guy just because they think he'd be a waste if they didn't do anything.

Exactly my thoughts. I like the idea of UT's loss turning into a huge event. But a win over UT at WM would absolutely make a career. Why give it to Henry just to justify all the money they wasted when they signed him?

Plus..forma business standpoint, if you were going to go through all the trouble and expense of booking a dozen past stars to appear, then wouldn't you build it up some? Have his opponent wanr Take that "your past will come back to haunt you, Dead Man!" or something? in general, wouldn't you make it one of the major selling points of WM?

Right now Henry v Taker is a total afterthought match and no one is buying the PPV for this match. So if they did do something like this it'd be a waste, both from a push sense and from a monetary sense.

Which means by WWE logic, it's gonna happen.:(

Exactly.

Volare
03-26-2006, 01:52 PM
hmm...someone ending taker's streak at WM with the help of other people takes away the edge and the reasoning behind it, whereas 1 peoson beats taker clean comes out with everything.

fans can recognize that one person and say "he's the one who ended taker's streak, he must mean something to this company."

and orton would have been the best for that shot.

but truely, is there anyone else that could be better for that shot than : Carlito, Orton (IMO the best) or another "young gun"??

NeanderCarl
03-26-2006, 03:25 PM
Mark Henry got paid 10 million?

He signed a 10-year contract. He isn't on $1million a year, but he is on a nice stack, I believe it's around the $250/300K a year mark basic, before any royalties etc.

Mr. Nerfect
03-26-2006, 03:25 PM
hmm...someone ending taker's streak at WM with the help of other people takes away the edge and the reasoning behind it, whereas 1 peoson beats taker clean comes out with everything.

fans can recognize that one person and say "he's the one who ended taker's streak, he must mean something to this company."

and orton would have been the best for that shot.

but truely, is there anyone else that could be better for that shot than : Carlito, Orton (IMO the best) or another "young gun"??

I would LOVE to see Ken Doane, Johnny Jeter or Doug Basham (my picks for young guys to get established via ending streak, Carlito/Orton/Masters doesn't really need it), but will it happen?

I mean, your first paragraph sums up what I was going to say, but better. The Undertaker still comes away looking strong in the scenario I suggested above (even if it is shit putting Henry over). Let's face it, Taker will only lose at WrestleMania if he wants to. Orton was hurt last year, Taker used it as a chance to keep winning. He seems to have VERY tough criteria as to who he would drop the streak to and how.

And that is also the point of having a whole bunch of guys stopping The Undertaker, in that Mark Henry doesn't get much off the win. It would be MNM, Daivari & Kane getting most of the spotlight. Henry only gets the official win, nothing moralistic.

I'm not saying I think it is a good idea, I'm just asking if anyone would stop watching if this did happen?

Kane Knight
03-26-2006, 03:29 PM
I wouldn't lose sleep.

But then, I've gone in the past 5 years from being a Taker Mark to wanting to see that hasbeen fuck go down because he's boring AND killing legit talent.

Orton should have ended his streak, but we can be certain that won't happen. So we knowit's not going to put over someone who could be big...

The question becomes...why not Henry?

With their roster, he's basically as good as anybody.

DaveWadding
03-26-2006, 04:00 PM
:|

It wouldn't be the first time the WWE brought back ideas from the past.

Yeah, but if you're gonna bring back something from the past at least try to make it and idea that was good in THE FIRST PLACE.

94 SVT Cobra
03-27-2006, 08:09 AM
1996 he signed a 10 Year/$10 Million contract...which means after this year he is done milking WWE's tit like a baby cow.

Thats a crying fucking shame.

Kane Knight
03-27-2006, 10:18 AM
Yeah, but if you're gonna bring back something from the past at least try to make it and idea that was good in THE FIRST PLACE.

Yeah...Like Mark Henry. ;)