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Innovator
04-17-2006, 10:40 AM
AJ STYLES INTERVIEW
(Interview Conducted by Patrick Kelley and James Walsh.)
We begin the interview with AJ talking about how big it is for him to be on TNA during primetime. They then go into how Dixie Carter said they'd get a better lead-in being on later at night.
After Patrick messes up the Christopher Daniels/Samoa Joe match, AJ tries to not spoil the Thursday iMPACT! results.
They also go into how two hours of "the competition" is more boring than one hour of iMPACT!
AJ looks forward to working with Scott Steiner, and learning what he's like in the ring.
AJ prefers the X-division style, as you have "guys who can do anything."
AJ breaks the spoilers and goes into how he's into the "WarGames" style "Lethal Lockdown" match on Sting's team. He then mentions now no other company could have pulled off last year's Lockdown PPV the way TNA did.
The TNA House Show in Detroit is the next topic, and AJ has nothing but praises for the show. He also hoping to do more shows traveling.
James goes into the "Cheers effect" of the "TNA Asylum" which AJ agrees with wholeheartedly.
AJ goes into how he hoped TNA could afford Sting at first, but admits that Sting has brought in the ratings and fans TNA needs now.
They get into a bit about Samoa Joe, whom AJ puts over as someone who can do anything. AJ also confesses that Samoa Joe had pinkeye during their "Ultimate X" match and gave it to Daniels and AJ!
AJ also puts over Joe as a complete professional and that his most of his kicks don't hurt as much as they look. "But don't get me wrong, some of them; Yeah, they do hurt!"
AJ would like to tell Batista, who called him a "spot monkey" in a earlier interview, that "I think it's funny that a guy who takes a bump and tears his back tells me that I don't know how to wrestle."
AJ is not interested in going to WWE. In fact, his biggest fear is having to go there!
TNA is getting money from AJ doing indy bookings, and they actually encourage him to make those shows!
According to AJ, the backstage atmosphere is as great as the other wrestlers imagine.
AJ thinks the future of TNA is to have a 2 hour timeslot that's head to head with WWE.
Traci Brooks, in another interview, said "all of the cancer that was in TNA has been cut out." AJ agrees with that statement, absolutely. "There are no Ultimate Warriors!"
AJ would like to see Jericho and Benoit in TNA.
When asked if TNA has found it's "niche" in the wrestling world, AJ says "I don't know. It's hard to have a niche in an hour!" He also says that one of James' co-hosts is a "hater," "in love with WWE" and "has to sit there, twiddling his thumbs, watching the show bored out of his mind!"
AJ admits he's terrible at Word associations!
"The Fallen Angel" Christopher Daniels: "One of the best in the business. No doubt."
Jeff Jarrett: "He's my boss."
Sting: "An Icon. Huge Icon in this business."
Abyss: "He IS a monster and the BEST big man in the business, without a shadow of a doubt."
Christian Cage: "He IS the NWA champion." AJ later says he considers Christian Cage a plus to TNA.
Kid Kash: "Jaime Knoble's partner."
Monty Brown: "The Pounce." He then puts over that move as being as impressive as the Canadian Destroyer.
Petey Williams: "The Canadian Destroyer. There's nothing like it, man."
AJ goes into how he's helping a company with a game called "Pro Wrestling X" as well as working on TNA's game for Midway with Samoa Joe. He also claims his favorite wrestling game is "Virtual Pro Wrestling 2" for the Nintendo 64. He also gives the "Day of Reckoning" series two thumbs down for having too much kick and punch
Credit: PWInsider.com
Jaton
04-17-2006, 10:47 AM
Why does he come off as a dick in that interview?
Cool King
04-17-2006, 10:51 AM
AJ would like to tell Batista, who called him a "spot monkey" in a earlier interview, that "I think it's funny that a guy who takes a bump and tears his back tells me that I don't know how to wrestle."
Styles doesn't wrestle, he just flips around the ring....just like a monkey. Honestly, if I wanted to see someone jump and flip around like Styles, then I would go to a circus. (I'm sure another TPWWer, said that a couple of months ago)
AJ would like to see Jericho and Benoit in TNA.
That made me laugh.:lol:
Why does he come off as a dick in that interview?
Because he is.
Kane Knight
04-17-2006, 12:34 PM
Like real wrestlers never get injured in bad spots.
Styles is a spot monkey, he needs to stop pretending.
Didn't read the interview yet, but LOL at the title suggesting that Batista is a "thing".
Don't know why I find that funny...
Kane Knight
04-17-2006, 12:56 PM
Lighting BAtista on fire = ratings
What Would Kevin Do?
04-17-2006, 01:07 PM
So wait, he implies Batista can't wrestle, and then says he can't wait to work with..... Scott Stiener?
St. Jimmy
04-17-2006, 01:11 PM
Crap Wars: Revenge of The SpotMonkey
PullMyFinger
04-17-2006, 03:05 PM
I think the interview was fine. I mean, that's how interviews were back in the day when WCW and WWE went at it. Granted, I'm not saying that TNA is on that level...but my point is, what was he supposed to say? Our company sucks and WWE is far superior? LOL That would be the worst thing possible on his part.
St. Jimmy
04-17-2006, 05:03 PM
"AJ is not interested in going to WWE. In fact, his biggest fear is having to go there!"
Yeah, cause when he was jobbing to "The Hurricane" on Heat, he didn't seem interested.
Mr. Nerfect
04-17-2006, 05:52 PM
Wow, a lot of hate for AJ Styles.
Styles does tell stories in the ring. His matches with Samoa Joe and Christopher Daniels have been phenomenal. I really hope they move him to the Heavyweight Division where he can bring out the best in some of the main event guys.
Batista spoke out against AJ Styles and said the guy couldn't wrestle, so Styles returned with equal snap. If I were Styles I would have pointed out the lack of story in some of Batista's matches against "less able" opponents, but the guy might have been on the spot or something.
I don't see why everyone calls AJ Styles a spot-monkey. I really don't. The guy wrestles a faster pace, and some of his matches lack the old "working over a body part" formula and are instead about who can put down the other guy first, but in the X-Division this is entirely acceptable, in my opinion. He's playing a cruiserweight, let him do cruiserweight stuff while he's down there.
Innovator
04-17-2006, 06:02 PM
If AJ is a spot monkey, what does that make Super Dragon?
Mr. Nerfect
04-17-2006, 06:06 PM
If AJ is a spot monkey, what does that make Super Dragon?
A spot lizard? :shifty:
Skippord
04-17-2006, 06:41 PM
Monty Brown: "The Pounce." He then puts over that move as being as impressive as the Canadian Destroyer.
:wtf:
PullMyFinger
04-17-2006, 06:42 PM
I think they should turn either Ron the Truth Killings into a massive heel and have him feud against Sting, or have AJ Styles do it.
UmbrellaCorporation
04-17-2006, 06:43 PM
Styles need to STFU (not the submission, naturally :shifty: ).
Seriously, I was thinking this through the whole article, and Jaton said it. Styles comes off as a huge douchebag in this interview. I'd rather watch a Batista match any day of the week as opposed to watching AJ Styles.
Oh, by the way:
They also go into how two hours of "the competition" is more boring than one hour of iMPACT!
ROFL. Hilarity at it's best.
McLegend
04-17-2006, 06:54 PM
Wow A lot of AJ hate for some reason. He's gotten so much better it's ridiculous.
Also no disrespect to Batista I mean he is a fairly decent Big man who has improved greatly over the last few months, but come on AJ Styles is in a few MOTY candidates every year while Batista is not. Much rather watch AJ in the ring then Batista
DaveWadding
04-17-2006, 07:03 PM
I STILL don't get why some of you guys LOVE AJ in the butt so much. He's not that good. He's never been that good. He's gotten a bit better (working with someone like Daniels on a nightly basis never hurts) but he's still a fucking spot monkey. It's not believeable when every other one of your moves is a high spot.
I'm not exactly seeing the problem of him having a go at the WWE here. WWE guys regulary bash TNA so why can't TNA do the same?
Like PMF said, what the fuck is he supposed to say? "We're shit and they're great so why the fuck do we even bother?"
I like AJ Styles as a worker and I think it's a little unfair that he is labelled "a spot monkey." Sure he could use work on his psychology (the Iron man match with Daniels ages ago is a prime example) but really how many indy guys do have great pyschology? Plus from what I've seen, AJ can get on the mat and wrestle when he wants to.
Originally Posted by Innovator
AJ would like to see Jericho and Benoit in TNA.
That made me laugh. :lol:
What exactly is the problem with that? He hasn't said that he expects Jericho or Benoit to go to TNA but he would like to see them there. In the same way that WWE would like Bret Hart to do an angle with them. Frankly they have the same chance of happening.
And Skippord, I think he was joking.
These negative comments are probably coming from people who haven't seen much of AJ Styles except his short matches on Impact, which are forced to be spotfests because of the 1 hour time constraints.
Buy a TNA X-Division DVD and watch his matches with guys like Jerry Lynn, Kid Kash, Paul London, and Amazing Red. When given the time, he can put on amazing matches, using both psychology and entertaining spots.
Batista over Styles? Give me a break. What's Batista done that's so great? As far as I'm concerned, he's had one great Hell in a Cell match with Triple H, and that's pretty much it. His other accolades include an uninteresting brawl at WrestleMania and a subsequent Backlash rematch with Hunter, a forgettable tag title run with Ric Flair, and a predictable Royal Rumble victory.
Styles, on the other hand, has had tons of great matches with guys all over the indy scene, and is now putting on great matches in TNA.
He's just telling it like it is in this interview. It's pretty common knowledge that the WWE lockerroom is not a very fun place to be right now, while most of the guys who have jumped to TNA say it's a much better, more relaxed environment.
How was he being a dick in that interview at all?
The Show Off
04-17-2006, 11:03 PM
AJ Styles > Batista
Anyone who thinks diffrently, either (a) has never watched a real (PPV ect.) AJ Styles match, (b) has never seen a reall (PPV ect.) Batista match, (c) doesn't know wrestling, or (d) blindly hates TNA and everything in it reguardless of it's quality.
Kane Knight
04-17-2006, 11:10 PM
Wow, a lot of hate for AJ Styles.
Styles does tell stories in the ring. His matches with Samoa Joe and Christopher Daniels have been phenomenal. I really hope they move him to the Heavyweight Division where he can bring out the best in some of the main event guys.
Wow, he really milked a good match out of that shitty Chris Daniels. Carried that Samoa Joe to a good match.
Mr. Nerfect
04-17-2006, 11:44 PM
Wow, he really milked a good match out of that shitty Chris Daniels. Carried that Samoa Joe to a good match.
My point isn't that he carries matches, but that he can tell good stories. Christopher Daniels and Samoa Joe are great, but AJ Styles is arguably right up there with them.
Skippord
04-17-2006, 11:53 PM
Joe isnt that great but you know who is great that guy with the stupid looking hair and jacket.
The Heat
04-18-2006, 02:38 AM
Batista was justified in calling Styles a "spot monkey". Anyone who's seen an AJ Styles match can tell you that. If Styles used psychology[ala working body parts to set up his finisher] it would be different, thus, making AJ's claims valid to the point.
Batista is the man. Simply put. I bet if AJ had the same injuries Dave had, he'd wimp out and have the surgeries. Instead of working through them as Batista did. At least Batista somewhat utilizes ring psychology in his matches. Something I've yet to see from Mr. Styles.
Vastardikai
04-18-2006, 03:18 AM
AJ Styles > Batista
Anyone who thinks diffrently, either (a) has never watched a real (PPV ect.) AJ Styles match, (b) has never seen a reall (PPV ect.) Batista match, (c) doesn't know wrestling, or (d) blindly hates TNA and everything in it reguardless of it's quality.
AJ Styles > Batista? Good joke.
A. Maybe I don't like seeing people doing High Flying moves just for the sake of doing High Flying moves? I don't give two shits about Jack Evans, for the same reason.
B. Say what you will about Batista, he's not a Technical Wrestler. He's not TRYING to be a Technical Wrestler. He does the Old School Power Game, and he does it as well as the best in the business. The fact is, when Batista is in control of a match, the fans chant "Ba-Tis-Ta". When A.J. Styles is in control of the match, the fans chant random shit.
C. I remember an earlier post where I said that Batista is a better Wrestler than A.J. Styles. And then explained two different schools of thought between what a "Good Wrestler" is. One school of thought would have the best Wrestlers of all time being Bret Hart, Ric Flair, and Kurt Angle, as they are among the best TECHNICAL wrestlers. The other school of thought would have the best Wrestlers of all time being Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin, and the Rock, as they are among the best DRAWS (I'm saying that with full knowledge that Hart, Flair, and Angle are also high on this list as well, and Steve Austin pre-Stone Cold is high on the former list.). I said that AJ is the better Technical Wrestler, but he is not a better WRESTLER, based on the later school of thought (Bobby Heenan bases his belief that Hogan is the best ever on the same principal). Also, Don't you DARE insult my knowledge of wrestling, I just come from a different school of thought.
D. Believe it or not, I WANT TNA to succeed, it makes for better wrestling as a whole. But, they will not do it with Jeff Jarrett taking up main event time while doing his impression of El Kabong. They will not do with Sting minus face paint and Scott Steiner, who used to be a really good Technical Wrestler, but was never a good Wrestler as a whole. AJ Styles, truth be told, is only as good as his opponents. Hell, put me in the ring with Christopher Daniels and I'll be a cult phenomenon, too. I think TNA, in the long run, should understand that Samoa Joe will be the long term future of the promotion. He'll probably be the only guy who can keep any kind of reaction for any length of time with how fickle the Orlando crowd is (and going on the road would help TNA more than their TV show can ever hope to.)
Didn't mean to go on a rant there, but seriously, you can take those facts and come up with two DIFFERENT conclusions, based on how you view the business.
ddpBANG
04-18-2006, 03:30 AM
Joe isnt that great but you know who is great that guy with the stupid looking hair and jacket.
My uncle Charlie?
The One
04-18-2006, 04:17 AM
AJ Styles is a spot-monkey. Batista is a brawler. Neither is a technical wrestler...or a great worker. I think Batista is a better draw, and for my money I would pay to see Batista more then Styles. However I don't think either of them have earned/deserve the right or respect to go talking shit about the other one. It's like listening to some Middle School kids trying to come off as NFL pros.
Oh and AJ Styles being AFRAID of WWE signing him? That's why before he signed a deal til 2010 with TNA he felt out offers from WWE but refused to sign them because he didn't want to spend time in OVW.
Hell I'd be afraid of getting signed to WWE too...he wouldn't be able to do meaningless spots and would be exposed as a spot-monkey...plus he get's mic fright in front of the Orlando crowd... :shifty:
Oh and while I am in a bashing mood...Batista...he's like all...uh...broken back and eveything. *Insert Nelson "Ha-Ha" laugh*
Savio
04-18-2006, 07:19 AM
Yeah bottom line is Batista said he was a better wrestler then AJ which he is clearly not.
Pinnacle Charisma
04-18-2006, 07:58 AM
First off I would like to say that I think AJ is overrated when TNA push him in a way that makes him look like the greatest wrestler alive. But he is still a big star in the wrestling industry because he does have talent. And talent always rises to the top.
Batistia has proven to be a good but not great champion. He is a limited performer but want he can do he can do well but lets be honest he is not in the same league as AJ. Batista is a result of fantastic booking by the wwe and as another tpww poster said this week good booking will always beat good wrestling. Batista is preety much a product of the wwe and if the wwe wanted they could make another Batista quite easily.
So I really cant say I agree with Bats saying AJ is rubbish.
Lol at The One claiming they are like high school kids acting like they pros. This is exactly what this silly little feud sounds like.
Hired Hitman
04-18-2006, 09:50 AM
They also go into how two hours of "the competition" is more boring than one hour of iMPACT!
AJ looks forward to working with Scott Steiner, and learning what he's like in the ring.
"They're Boring! Now I'd like to move onto Scott Steiner :)"
:cool:
Kane Knight
04-18-2006, 10:09 AM
My point isn't that he carries matches, but that he can tell good stories. Christopher Daniels and Samoa Joe are great, but AJ Styles is arguably right up there with them.
Name some good matches he's made with someone other than an already-solid performers.
Kane Knight
04-18-2006, 10:11 AM
Batista was justified in calling Styles a "spot monkey". Anyone who's seen an AJ Styles match can tell you that. If Styles used psychology[ala working body parts to set up his finisher] it would be different, thus, making AJ's claims valid to the point.
Batista is the man. Simply put. I bet if AJ had the same injuries Dave had, he'd wimp out and have the surgeries. Instead of working through them as Batista did. At least Batista somewhat utilizes ring psychology in his matches. Something I've yet to see from Mr. Styles.
Batista, as others have said, doesn't really have much to talk about.
Batista, while he's got charisma, and he's great as a brawling wrestler, is no more a wrestler than the spot monkey.
Name some good matches he's made with someone other than an already-solid performers.
Abyss
Kane Knight
04-18-2006, 10:37 AM
Was that supposed to be an answer?
Mr. Monday Morning
04-18-2006, 12:05 PM
Name some good matches he's made with someone other than an already-solid performers.
His latter matches against Jimmy Rave (I believe the matches were at Homecoming and Glory by Honor IV, though I could be wrong there)
The Show Off
04-18-2006, 06:48 PM
AJ Styles > Batista? Good joke.
A. Maybe I don't like seeing people doing High Flying moves just for the sake of doing High Flying moves? I don't give two shits about Jack Evans, for the same reason.
B. Say what you will about Batista, he's not a Technical Wrestler. He's not TRYING to be a Technical Wrestler. He does the Old School Power Game, and he does it as well as the best in the business. The fact is, when Batista is in control of a match, the fans chant "Ba-Tis-Ta". When A.J. Styles is in control of the match, the fans chant random shit.
C. I remember an earlier post where I said that Batista is a better Wrestler than A.J. Styles. And then explained two different schools of thought between what a "Good Wrestler" is. One school of thought would have the best Wrestlers of all time being Bret Hart, Ric Flair, and Kurt Angle, as they are among the best TECHNICAL wrestlers. The other school of thought would have the best Wrestlers of all time being Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin, and the Rock, as they are among the best DRAWS (I'm saying that with full knowledge that Hart, Flair, and Angle are also high on this list as well, and Steve Austin pre-Stone Cold is high on the former list.). I said that AJ is the better Technical Wrestler, but he is not a better WRESTLER, based on the later school of thought (Bobby Heenan bases his belief that Hogan is the best ever on the same principal). Also, Don't you DARE insult my knowledge of wrestling, I just come from a different school of thought.
D. Believe it or not, I WANT TNA to succeed, it makes for better wrestling as a whole. But, they will not do it with Jeff Jarrett taking up main event time while doing his impression of El Kabong. They will not do with Sting minus face paint and Scott Steiner, who used to be a really good Technical Wrestler, but was never a good Wrestler as a whole. AJ Styles, truth be told, is only as good as his opponents. Hell, put me in the ring with Christopher Daniels and I'll be a cult phenomenon, too. I think TNA, in the long run, should understand that Samoa Joe will be the long term future of the promotion. He'll probably be the only guy who can keep any kind of reaction for any length of time with how fickle the Orlando crowd is (and going on the road would help TNA more than their TV show can ever hope to.)
Didn't mean to go on a rant there, but seriously, you can take those facts and come up with two DIFFERENT conclusions, based on how you view the business.
A. AJ doesn't do high flying moves for the sake of high flying moves, any more then Rey Mysterio does high flying moves for the sake of high flying moves or Psicosis, Paul London, or any other cruiserweight wrestler for that matter. AJ's a high flyer as a wrestler for his offense to look legit he has to jump around and do flips, which he doesn't do that often. If you watch his Iron Man matches with Christopher Daniels you'll see that the match is very grounded and when he does go for a spot it's at a big moment in the match.
B. Batista, though I like his character, is actually a pretty shotty powerhouse wrestler. He looks big and imposing but he's not all that strong, in fact I'm pretty sure a guy like Triple H (who isn't powerhouse type wrestler) or John Cena (once again not a powerhouse wrestler) are both stronger then Batista, in his matches with Jericho in the Summer of 04 there were numerous times when he struggled picking up Jericho for the Batista bomb, same thing in the lead up to Wrestlemania XX with Mick Foley. At Wrestlemania 21 he struggled to get Triple H up for the Batista Bomb as well. These things shouldn't happen to a powerhouse. Batista has wrestled only wrestled 2 decent matches in his career and both of them againt Triple H who is arguabley one of the best wrestlers of all time, and a guy that can carry anyone. And it's not as if Batista hasn't wrestled good people before, he's feuded with Jericho, Guerrero, Kane and Edge all good workers and the matches he put on weren't just average they were out and out bad because he couldn't hold his end up.
C. As for being a better draw yes Batista is a bigger draw then AJ Styles, that's fairly obvious via the fact that Batista wrestles of the biggest wrestling promotion in the world and AJ wrestles Indy shows and basically an up start promotion in TNA. However, as you say that people chant Ba-tis-ta during Batista matches, which is true. But when you say that the chants are muddled when AJ wrestles is just flat out wrong. Sure he doesn't get as loud reactions because he's getting chants from 100 to 500 people when he wrestles, where as Batista gets 5000 people chanting minimum, it's because he wrestles bigger arenas. But back to chants during AJ matches, he gets plenty of A-J chants plenty of HOLY-SHIT chants, more often then not he gets THIS-IS-AWE-SOME chants, and he even gets MATCH-OF-THE-YEAR chants from the fans. To say AJ doesn't get reaction is just a flat out lie. AJ built his career out of getting fan reactions. That's how you get recognition in the Indy's but blowing people away with your matches. Where as Batista got into the WWE because some guy thought he has a good body, he went to OVW then WWE and then he was allined with two of the biggest heels in wrestling history in Flair and Triple H, and then he feuded with them. AJ built up his career by being a great wrestler and getting the fans excited every time he went out to the rinf, Batista built his career on being big, being lucky, and being below average.
Kane Knight
04-18-2006, 07:26 PM
Actually, some cruisers are spot monkeys and some cruisers make their spots look like they fit into a match. I don't look at Psicosis and Super Crazy the same way I do Jeff Hardy and AJ Styles. And it's not because two are greasy wetbacks and two are redneck sumbitches...
You can't paint every cruiser in ther same light. And these days, Rey Mysterio is a B-Rate spot monkey.
The Show Off
04-18-2006, 07:44 PM
Actually, some cruisers are spot monkeys and some cruisers make their spots look like they fit into a match. I don't look at Psicosis and Super Crazy the same way I do Jeff Hardy and AJ Styles. And it's not because two are greasy wetbacks and two are redneck sumbitches...
You can't paint every cruiser in ther same light. And these days, Rey Mysterio is a B-Rate spot monkey.
Don't even pretend that Jeff Hardy is anywhere in the same league as AJ Styles. Jeff is a sloppy wrestler that shows zero psycology, and has never been in a four star match that didn't involve his brother in his life. AJ is a crisp wrestler that's put on numerous 5 star matches.
AJ isn't a spot wrestler and I'm sure most of you know that you're just play Devil's Advocate.
Innovator
04-18-2006, 07:45 PM
His latter matches against Jimmy Rave (I believe the matches were at Homecoming and Glory by Honor IV, though I could be wrong there)Glory by Honor IV was a solid match
His match from 1/28 against Dragon was really good, not spot-monkeyesque
Joesgonnakillyou
04-18-2006, 07:46 PM
I truely cannot see how anyone can say Batista is better than AJ Styles. I mean even if 'spot monkey' is some kind of insult, which is weird. VERY WEIRD. Batista is still Green and over-pushed (I would like to state for the record i like the guy)
AJ is solid and was just getting Batista back for another unfair comment. AJ is specatcular and nowhere NEAR as bad as Jeff Hardy,the matches i've seen of AJ's are always well put together and smooth. I can however see that hes far too specialised at the moment. (although saying that he can work with abyss very well)
I don't blame AJ for not wanna sign with WWE, he wouldn't be able to work the way that shows him best. and to be honest the only reason to sign with the WWE right now is more money, coz under the current situation, Nobody's being used right.
Kane Knight
04-18-2006, 08:24 PM
He didn't seem to have a problem signing with them before...
Kane Knight
04-18-2006, 08:30 PM
Also, I'm unsure why "spot Monkey" would actually be a good thing.
"A monkey, Wes? God, you people aren't even trying anymore!"
"What? Viewer polls show that people love monkeys."
(rep to anyone who gets the reference)
Don't even pretend that Jeff Hardy is anywhere in the same league as AJ Styles. Jeff is a sloppy wrestler that shows zero psycology, and has never been in a four star match that didn't involve his brother in his life.
See: Jeff Hardy vs. Chris Jericho - No Way Out 2002
See: Jeff Hardy vs. The Undertaker - RAW 2001 - Ladder Match
See: Jeff Hardy vs. AJ Styles - TNA Debut Match
See: Jeff Hardy vs. Abyss - Full Metal Mayhem Match
See: Jeff Hardy vs. Monty Brown - Genesis 2006
The Heat
04-19-2006, 02:05 AM
Batista, as others have said, doesn't really have much to talk about.
Batista, while he's got charisma, and he's great as a brawling wrestler, is no more a wrestler than the spot monkey.
Batista, while not the best TECHNICAL wrestler, is however, the better of the two. AJ Styles is a "spot monkey".
At least Batista sticks to the power aspect. It works for him, so, why mess with a good thing? Granted, his in-ring work needs improvement, but, that'll happen the day guys like AJ & Rey Mysterio stop depending on high spots instead of solid in-ring mat wrestling.....
And for the record, I like both as wrestlers. I'd like to see AJ concentrate more on ring psychology & mat wrestling and Batista for more mat wrestling. Chances of either happening are slim, and we know a Chris Benoit neither guy will ever be.
Kane Knight
04-19-2006, 09:07 AM
"A monkey, Wes? God, you people aren't even trying anymore!"
"What? Viewer polls show that people love monkeys."
(rep to anyone who gets the reference)
Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, the bit which deals with Scream in the Mirimax lot.
Kane Knight
04-19-2006, 09:10 AM
See: Jeff Hardy vs. Chris Jericho - No Way Out 2002
See: Jeff Hardy vs. The Undertaker - RAW 2001 - Ladder Match
See: Jeff Hardy vs. AJ Styles - TNA Debut Match
See: Jeff Hardy vs. Abyss - Full Metal Mayhem Match
See: Jeff Hardy vs. Monty Brown - Genesis 2006
LOL, I missed Show Off Saying that.
He's half right though. Jeff's a sloppy wrestler who shows no psychology, and that's pretty much EXACTLY why he's in the same league as AJ Styles.
But LMAO at the fact that more matches have been provided in the defense of Jeff HArdy than of AJ Styles.
Kane Knight
04-19-2006, 09:22 AM
Batista, while not the best TECHNICAL wrestler, is however, the better of the two. AJ Styles is a "spot monkey".
At least Batista sticks to the power aspect. It works for him, so, why mess with a good thing? Granted, his in-ring work needs improvement, but, that'll happen the day guys like AJ & Rey Mysterio stop depending on high spots instead of solid in-ring mat wrestling.....
And for the record, I like both as wrestlers. I'd like to see AJ concentrate more on ring psychology & mat wrestling and Batista for more mat wrestling. Chances of either happening are slim, and we know a Chris Benoit neither guy will ever be.
Batista's "power" aspect, however, rarely has a lack of any sort of psychology. On the other hand, that doesn't actually make him any better, since he's spent a lot of time being very sloppy (The "green" comments really do apply). So you get a sloppy power wrestler with good charisma and moderate ring psychology, or a spot monkey who's at least accurate, but has almost nonexistant ring psychology and still not much in the technical skills department.
Mr. Monday Morning
04-19-2006, 12:34 PM
LOL, I missed Show Off Saying that.
He's half right though. Jeff's a sloppy wrestler who shows no psychology, and that's pretty much EXACTLY why he's in the same league as AJ Styles.
But LMAO at the fact that more matches have been provided in the defense of Jeff HArdy than of AJ Styles.
You requested specifically that the AJ Styles matches be against "someone other than an already-solid performers". So if we're going to go with that criteria for Hardy you can strike Jericho, Undertaker and arguably Abyss off that list. So AJ is actually ahead :)
Kane Knight
04-19-2006, 12:50 PM
You requested specifically that the AJ Styles matches be against "someone other than an already-solid performers". So if we're going to go with that criteria for Hardy you can strike Jericho, Undertaker and arguably Abyss off that list. So AJ is actually ahead :)
Styles had two. Two mentions, and one was his "latter" matches, and the other was a nonspecific "Abyss."
I'm not marking Taker off the list, and I won't count Abyss, because I asked for matches and consider him to be a solid worker.
I mean, he doesn't fling himself off of high places, which is apparently the only good definition of a worker, but...
Johnny Vegas
04-19-2006, 01:09 PM
God damn, the guy came back on him after Batista called him a "spot monkey". WTF would YOU do? I'm sure people (who have dignity and respect for themselves and their workplace) would have done the same damn thing. STFU about that portion of it.
As far as the wrestling aspect...both have their pros and cons and trust, like someone mentioned before, neither can talk like they are big shots.
Kane Knight
04-19-2006, 02:56 PM
God damn, the guy came back on him after Batista called him a "spot monkey". WTF would YOU do? I'm sure people (who have dignity and respect for themselves and their workplace) would have done the same damn thing. STFU about that portion of it.
It was a pretty stupid shot though.
LOL HE CANT KEEP FROM HURTING HIMSELF.
Injuries are a fact of the matter of the business.
Whether you're Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Kurt Angle, injuries happen. Especially when you perform as regularly as Batista.
What did I expect him to do?
Maybe come back with a "zinger" that didn't sound so retarded.
Mr. Monday Morning
04-19-2006, 04:17 PM
Styles had two. Two mentions, and one was his "latter" matches, and the other was a nonspecific "Abyss."
I'm not marking Taker off the list, and I won't count Abyss, because I asked for matches and consider him to be a solid worker.
I mean, he doesn't fling himself off of high places, which is apparently the only good definition of a worker, but...
Yeah I remember that scaffold dive Steve Austin took a few years ago...
Anyway, I named the shows those latter matches were on (and I used latter in the sense of their place in a feud) but here is some additional info.
ROH Homecoming Philadelphia PA 23rd July 2005 vs Jimmy Rave
ROH Glory By Honor IV Lake Grove NY 17th September 2005 vs Jimmy Rave
Other than that it's purely subjective. Who is to qualify whether guys such as Austin Aries, Roderick Strong, Homicide, Paul London, Bryan Danielson and Low Ki are/were good workers at the time the match happened? Most of them had decent matches with Styles in the last few years when neither he nor they were as developed as they are now. In a similar vein, I don't think Taker of 2001 was as broken down as he is now, nor incapable of having a decent big man/little man match. Hell, you could argue Jimmy Rave was capable at the time, he certainly is now as he's come a long way. Maybe the bookers actually have brains and don't think it's a good idea to use bad workers...? :eek:
I'm not denying AJ is overly reliant on some of his aerial stuff btw. But not every match is about selling an arm/leg/ribs/back/whatever, and his stuff for the most part (now, anyway) is crisp, looks good, and he can bump pretty well. He's nowhere near as bad as some people in this thread have made out.
McLegend
04-19-2006, 08:03 PM
But AJ sells well. He might not sustain in like 10 minutes later, but at the point of Impact(no pun intended) on a move he sells pretty well. Seriously.
Watch the next time he gets a move done to him he sells it like death.
Kane Knight
04-19-2006, 08:08 PM
But AJ sells well. He might not sustain in like 10 minutes later, but at the point of Impact(no pun intended) on a move he sells pretty well. Seriously.
Watch the next time he gets a move done to him he sells it like death.
He also doesn't sell it 5 seconds later, which makes it look dumb and cartoony.
Innovator
04-19-2006, 09:21 PM
When he first started he was bad, but he's grown leaps and bonds since then
Besides if you look up "spot monkey" you'll find a picture of Sonjay Dutt
The Naitch
04-19-2006, 09:38 PM
fuck AJ styles. Has he ever main evented a WrestleMania? I didn't think so
Kane Knight
04-19-2006, 10:09 PM
When he first started he was bad, but he's grown leaps and bonds since then
Besides if you look up "spot monkey" you'll find a picture of Sonjay Dutt
HE is better, I will certainly give him that.
The Show Off
04-19-2006, 10:17 PM
See: Jeff Hardy vs. Chris Jericho - No Way Out 2002
See: Jeff Hardy vs. The Undertaker - RAW 2001 - Ladder Match
See: Jeff Hardy vs. AJ Styles - TNA Debut Match
See: Jeff Hardy vs. Abyss - Full Metal Mayhem Match
See: Jeff Hardy vs. Monty Brown - Genesis 2006
The only one worth a damn on that list was the Undertaker match.
Johnny Vegas
04-21-2006, 11:37 AM
fuck AJ styles. Has he ever main evented a WrestleMania? I didn't think so
lol
BigDaddyCool
04-21-2006, 11:43 AM
Styles doesn't wrestle, he just flips around the ring....just like a monkey. Honestly, if I wanted to see someone jump and flip around like Styles, then I would go to a circus. (I'm sure another TPWWer, said that a couple of months ago)
Yeah, it was probably me. I hate that faggot AJ Styles.
Mr. Monday Morning
04-21-2006, 11:52 AM
Ironic, since AJ Styles also hates faggots, as he calls them.
Volare
04-23-2006, 08:07 AM
yeah you can see it well
"Styles knocked out by that chair!!"
one minute later....
"Styles nipped up! Styles Clash!"
sorry but i agree my dog could sell a match better....
Kane Knight
04-23-2006, 10:59 AM
Ironic, since AJ Styles also hates faggots, as he calls them.
I hate faggots too.
The One
04-23-2006, 03:09 PM
Fags? I hate 'em!
yeah you can see it well
"Styles knocked out by that chair!!"
one minute later....
"Styles nipped up! Styles Clash!"
sorry but i agree my dog could sell a match better....
Do you REALLY have any idea what you're talking about? Or are you just going along with what the higher ranking posters are saying about AJ Styles' selling abilities? Because that shit right there is just ridiculous. "My dog could sell a match better"?
AJ Styles can work. He implements psychology, mat wrestling, high flying AND high impact into a style (no fucking pun) that is uniquely his own.
You want a list of great AJ Styles matches?
~AJ Styles vs. Low Ki vs. Psychosis vs. Jerry Lynn - First X-Division Championship Round Robin Match - 6/26/02
~AJ Styles vs. Jerry Lynn - 11/06/02
~Flying Elvises vs. AJ Styles/Low Ki/Jerry Lynn - 6/19/02
~Amazing Red vs. AJ Styles - 12/11/03
~AJ Styles vs. Christopher Daniels vs. Samoa Joe - X Title - Unbreakable 05
~AJ Styles vs. Petey Williams - X Title - Genesis 05
~AJ Styles vs. Christopher Daniels - X Title Iron Man Match - Bound For Glory 05
Actually WATCH the matches and see what he does, when he does it, and why. If you understand anything about psychology (I've heard countless people babble about someone "not using psychology in their matches," and then when asking them what psychology is, they don't know how to describe it) then you will see that AJ Styles implements it in his matches.
Zach1505
04-23-2006, 05:54 PM
wow i see that theres alot of WWE fanboys on here... for an equal opportunity forum try www.TRRwrestling.tk that site is way better.. no one goes off when someonne thinks differently.
PS-- AJ Styles is amazing, and the Pounce is on the same level as the Destroyer because the Destroyer is jus a glorified Sunset Flip.. so yea check your info before u start bitchin
Dorkchop
04-23-2006, 07:31 PM
PS-- AJ Styles is amazing, and the Pounce is on the same level as the Destroyer because the Destroyer is jus a glorified Sunset Flip.. so yea check your info before u start bitchin
The main difference between those two moves is that the Canadian Destroyer looks good.
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