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DS
04-27-2006, 01:18 PM
Nintendo announced today that the new name of the Nintendo Revolution is now Nintendo Wii. As in "we".

The official site has some information on why it was changed.
http://revolution.nintendo.com/

And here is Gamespot's site in case you want to read a little more in depth.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6148462.html

I knew they were suppose to announce it around/during E3 this year but I was expecting some a lot different.

LoDownM
04-27-2006, 01:45 PM
Wii :wtf: Shoulda just left it Revolution.

Fryza
04-27-2006, 01:45 PM
Said it elsewhere, but that is such a stupid name.

Blitz
04-27-2006, 01:54 PM
That is absolutely retarded.

road doggy dogg
04-27-2006, 02:16 PM
What the FUCK?

road doggy dogg
04-27-2006, 02:20 PM
Oh my God this is beyond retarded. I hope it's some kind of terrible belated April Fool's joke.

Mr. Monday Morning
04-27-2006, 02:34 PM
Should've just called it the AWESOME-O

Vietnamese Crippler
04-27-2006, 02:42 PM
Next thing you know, the games Nintendo reveal at E3 will be on the same level as SNES games :|

road doggy dogg
04-27-2006, 02:46 PM
YTMND is gonna have a field day with this.

UmbrellaCorporation
04-27-2006, 03:28 PM
Oh, they've already started. :lol:

Fryza
04-27-2006, 03:36 PM
So many people DEFENDING this name.

Seriously, Nintendo is useless to society as of now.

King Jericho
04-27-2006, 03:42 PM
My intial reaction was like what the fuck, but after time it sinks in, I'm starting to like it. A name matters not, Revoultion was cool, but Nintendo aren't about the name, its about the games.

This is better than Playstation 3 or Playstation 87 or whatever. It's all about the way this console, it's games and the controller plays for me, because I haven't been impressed by XBox and it's next gen at all.

Xero
04-27-2006, 03:52 PM
:|

So fucking retarded. They're already isolating their fanbase by releasing the remote as the main controller. Who wants to go into a store and ask "You got any Wii left" or "Do you have any Wii in"? It sounds so dirty in a bad (stupid and pointless) way. :nono:

Funky Fly
04-27-2006, 03:55 PM
Wow, way to mix up your mission statement with your product name, Nintendo.

Like I said at Kapoutland, you can officialy call me a Playstation fanboy now.

Nintendo's only got the DS and the upcoming Zelda game on GC to keep my interest now.

Vietnamese Crippler
04-27-2006, 03:55 PM
Let's just hope we get some (good) bombshells at E3

Mike the Metal Ed
04-27-2006, 04:08 PM
My WTF reaction is subsiding now, and it's even starting to grow on me. Right now, phonetically, it's a nightmare, but just wait for the childish trolls to get bored of it, and the Nintendo PR machine to kick into action, and it may well sound normal by the console's release.

It's the name of a thousand taglines, and it has people talking. You also have to remember that Nintendo has said on MANY occasions, it's not the slightest bit interested in the console war, they're doing their own thing and they're proud of it. At the end of the day, it's games that count. And what Nintendo produces is usually pretty damn good. They've also done the right thing by announcing this before E3, as not to overshadow its other announcements.

Sony and Microsoft couldn't make this work. But if there's a company that can, it's Nintendo.

Xero
04-27-2006, 04:08 PM
Wow, way to mix up your mission statement with your product name, Nintendo.

Like I said at Kapoutland, you can officialy call me a Playstation fanboy now.

Nintendo's only got the DS and the upcoming Zelda game on GC to keep my interest now.
Yeah. Nintendo started to lose me with the Gamecube, which to me was my "Retro Relived" console. Seriously, the majority of my Gamecube games are compilations of old games, arcade games or re-releases.

The only Gamecube-gen games I like are Animal Crossing, the WWE series and Wind Waker. Everything else (Gamecube-only games) I own is shit to me.

Xero
04-27-2006, 04:10 PM
Sony and Microsoft couldn't make this work. But if there's a company that can, it's Nintendo.
Just like they made the Virtual Boy work, eh?

I just see the Revolution as the new Virtual Boy. Huge, stupid gimmick with a popular company backing it. Nintendo knows they'll make something off of this because the hardcore Nintendo fanboys will buy this if the controller was one giant ball that you threw at your television.

Mike the Metal Ed
04-27-2006, 04:14 PM
I never said it couldn't possibly backfire, it's about how much faith you give them, yeah, Virtual Boy sucked, possibly because it was before its time, possibly because it was just plain shit. But Wii or Revolution, you're looking at the same thing, which has caused a lot of stir and anticipation over the last year. Wii (lol) can only wait and see.

road doggy dogg
04-27-2006, 04:17 PM
It just doesn't make sense. Revolution was an awesome name.


I know Nintendo has stated "We don't care about the name" or blah blah blah whatever, but doing what you're doing WHILE having an awesome name can't hurt. Wii. Come on. sd;gkhsd;kghsd;kghs

I'm still calling it Revolution.

Xero
04-27-2006, 04:19 PM
So when will someone release the "Wii Wii" attachement.







The "Wii Wii" attachment, of course, will attach to your cock for simulated sex.

Hey, does the controller vibrate?

Holy shit, this is one very dirty gadget.

Funky Fly
04-27-2006, 04:25 PM
I'm so upset right now. Only mindless porn will cheer me up. :(

Kane Knight
04-27-2006, 04:27 PM
So many people DEFENDING this name.

Seriously, Nintendo is useless to society as of now.


Was it ever useful in the history of the gaming company itself?

Now the fans, they're a problem. So many useless people who think Nintendo can do no wrong and everything is innovative and brilliant.

Nintendo's got a rabid fanbase who will jerk off over everything. You should see some people talk about the Lite, like it was the second coming of Jesus (If you're not Christian, replace Jesus with YOUR Hero, they're about the same age, but Hero's more impressive).

They probably renamed it because nothing so similar to the CD-i can even be called a revolution with a straight face.

V
04-27-2006, 04:28 PM
my fucking god

DS
04-27-2006, 04:28 PM
At first when I heard it I just kept laughing inside and then I kind of accepted it thinking that it was horrible but it's not like the name is going to affect the console. Then I started thinking about asking people over to play some Wii and I am back at hating the name.

I can see them wanting to change the name because of the 360 and all but they really shouldn't have. This console makes me feel like they are going to try and take every risk they can and see if they bomb.

Just John
04-27-2006, 04:33 PM
ROFL its not even pronounced 'why' its 'wee' as in like urine.

Mike the Metal Ed
04-27-2006, 04:33 PM
For the record, I never really liked the name "Nintendo DS", but it's still great to play (just in case anyone accused me of being a fanboy) and I do come off as sounding too happy about it. It's going to be interesting as to how it plays out once the shock/lame jokes die out, this is the exact same response the controller got when it was unveiled, and for the most part, people saw some potential in it and many like it.

Just how many people swore they'd never call the WWE by its new name?

Mike the Metal Ed
04-27-2006, 04:35 PM
Also, Xero, a guy called Scott Ramsoomair beat you to the "sex toy" crack 7 months ago.

road doggy dogg
04-27-2006, 04:53 PM
Nah DS is a hot name. DS is like the best thing to happen to console gaming in 5 years. <3 DS

Mike the Metal Ed
04-27-2006, 04:56 PM
I <3 my DS too, but I never really liked the name.

Xero
04-27-2006, 05:15 PM
Also, Xero, a guy called Scott Ramsoomair beat you to the "sex toy" crack 7 months ago.
I figured as much. But I made the joke a few months ago as well.

Also, at least the "DS" makes sense. It has dual screens, so it's called the DS. What does "Wii" stand for? The only thing I can think of is something to do with WiFi. After that, I can't imagine it being called that for a reason.

Mike the Metal Ed
04-27-2006, 05:27 PM
If you go on Nintendo's official site, they explain it. Doesn't 100% justify it IMO, but the console will still be awesome.

Vietnamese Crippler
04-27-2006, 05:37 PM
As Mike said, here's the speech (pulled from revolution.ign.com):

Introducing... Wii.
As in "we."

While the code-name Revolution expressed our direction, Wii represents the answer. Wii will break down that wall that seperates videogame players from everybody else. Wii will put people more in touch with their games... and each other. But you're probably asking: What does the name mean?

Wii sounds like "we," which emphasizes the console is for everyone. Wii can easily be remembered by people around the world, no matter what language they speak. No confusion. No need to abbreviate. Just Wii.

Wii has a distinctive "ii" spelling that symbolizes both the unique controllers and the image of people playing it. And Wii, as a name and a console, brings something revolutionary to the world of videogames that sets it apart from the crowd.

So that's Wii. But now Nintendo needs you. Because it's really not about you or me. It's about Wii. And together, Wii will change everything.

Bricktop
04-27-2006, 05:42 PM
:wtf:

They named it after the baby talk name for piss.

It's still the revolution to me.

If Nintendo was smart they should keep the revolution moniker for the US.

Xero
04-27-2006, 05:44 PM
If you go on Nintendo's official site, they explain it. Doesn't 100% justify it IMO, but the console will still be awesome.
To people who thought it would be awesome from the start...

I have been completely turned off from the whole thing since the controller was announced.

DS
04-27-2006, 05:55 PM
Nah DS is a hot name. DS is like the best thing to happen to console gaming in 5 years. <3 DS

:heart:

Kane Knight
04-27-2006, 05:58 PM
I figured as much. But I made the joke a few months ago as well.

Also, at least the "DS" makes sense. It has dual screens, so it's called the DS. What does "Wii" stand for? The only thing I can think of is something to do with WiFi. After that, I can't imagine it being called that for a reason.

Funny thing is, they called it DS because it was a "Developer's System."

Kane Knight
04-27-2006, 05:59 PM
As Mike said, here's the speech (pulled from revolution.ign.com):

Introducing... Wii.
As in "we."

While the code-name Revolution expressed our direction, Wii represents the answer. Wii will break down that wall that seperates videogame players from everybody else. Wii will put people more in touch with their games... and each other. But you're probably asking: What does the name mean?

Wii sounds like "we," which emphasizes the console is for everyone. Wii can easily be remembered by people around the world, no matter what language they speak. No confusion. No need to abbreviate. Just Wii.

Wii has a distinctive "ii" spelling that symbolizes both the unique controllers and the image of people playing it. And Wii, as a name and a console, brings something revolutionary to the world of videogames that sets it apart from the crowd.

So that's Wii. But now Nintendo needs you. Because it's really not about you or me. It's about Wii. And together, Wii will change everything.

Wow. So they think that changing the name like that makes it what...Clever or something?

RoXer
04-27-2006, 06:19 PM
Because thats what you do when you're having fun. You refer to yourself and some other people.

RoXer
04-27-2006, 06:19 PM
weeeeeeeeeeee

Mike the Metal Ed
04-27-2006, 06:32 PM
Wow. So they think that changing the name like that makes it what...Clever or something?

They didn't "change" the name. Revolution was always just a working title that caught on, Wii is the first official name for the system.

Jonster
04-27-2006, 06:57 PM
In France it will be the Nintendo Yes.

Jonster
04-27-2006, 06:58 PM
I can see playground bullying coming from this:

Kid 1: I got a PS3, what do you play with Kid 2?
Kid 2: I play with my Wii.
*Kid 2 gets bullied for eternity*

Jonster
04-27-2006, 07:00 PM
But seriously I can see where they're coming from. It's not too bad as I'm an adult and socialise with other adults who will understand why I play a console named Wii.

Jonster
04-27-2006, 07:05 PM
http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200604/N06.0427.1154.38678.htm

We still scratched our heads, so we spoke with Nintendo of America's Public Relations Manager Matt Atwood to get Nintendo's explanation of what the name was really about.

Game Informer: Why change the name in the first place when people are already used to The Nintendo Revolution?
Matt Atwood: We always stated that Revolution was a code name. While it indicates the disruptive nature of the system, we wanted a name that represents all inclusiveness, because that’s a huge point of the system. It’s not about you or me – it’s about Wii. So, it’s basically a different kind of a system.

GI: Whose idea was Wii?
Atwood: It was actually several people internally. But beyond that, we aren’t disclosing specifics on how the name came about. But it was several people at NOA and NCL.

GI: So it wasn’t Yamauchi coming in with his iron fist and saying, “We’re calling it Wii!”
Atwood: (laughs) No. No, it wasn’t. For a long time there we’ve been discussing the name and there was a lot of talk, and this is what the committee came up with. It was a large group of people that came up with the name.

GI: This is going to sound really crass and rude, but a child’s way of saying they have to go to the bathroom is saying they have to go wee. Doesn’t that concern you at all?
Atwood: No. Anytime you announce a new name you’re going to get a lot of questions and the whys. If you look at what TiVo did or Virgin Airline for instance, a sort of tie in for example. Those names have become household names and it had nothing to do with that at all. We wanted a name that represented the fact that this system was really for everyone to play. And Wii, the word, is W-i-i, and the two I’s represent both people and the controllers. So, it’s really not about this sort of tongue in cheek.
Again if you look at things like Yahoo! Or Virgin, or Caterpillar or Naked Juice, or Prius – the car, or Napster – these names either have funny connotations or don’t make sense initially. But if you look at how we support this, and what the name represents, I think it makes sense.

GI: So there were never thoughts of, “Let’s just stick with Revolution? It’s a really cool name”
Atwood: I think there were thoughts across the board. There were thoughts of sticking with Revolution, then there were thoughts of a completely different name, but once everything came together this was the name decided. I think they wanted a name that was very unique. Because this system is not about an upgrade of an old system. This is about an entirely new way to play, an entirely new type of system.

GI: Just seeing the reactions in our office and seeing what people are saying online – it seems people are really shocked at this name, and aren’t really that thrilled about it.
Atwood: I think the first time you hear any name, it sounds odd. I think one of the reasons is that it’s totally different and unexpected as you said. The first step will be getting to E3, and getting hands-on. We’re pretty confident it’ll become a lexicon like Google, or Amazon, or Virgin. Obviously there will be first reactions, but once you get your hands-on with the system and understand, and watch the video, and read the back story of what this name is supposed to represent, I think it all ties in.

GI: Isn’t it a little tricky that you have to give us a one sheet to explain what the name means and it doesn’t say it by itself.
Atwood: No, the point is we want it to be very clear what we’re saying. Again, we’ll go back to your traditional naming conventions for systems. They tend to be fairly literal. That’s not what we want at all. We want something that isn’t as literal. But once you understand it, it makes a lot of sense.
Once you touch the Revolution, this will make more sense. Once you play more games, and once the system is out, and more and more people play it, and you’re realizing these different experiences, it’ll make more sense. Again, it may sound a little bit of a line, but I think it fits well. This is not about you or me, it’s about Wii.

GI: Is that the new “Blue Ocean”?
Atwood: It’s all relational. It all fits. The Wii name fits in with the Blue Ocean strategy as far as going different, going unique, making a statement, but at the same time really pointing to the fact that this isn’t a traditional system and not done the traditional way. This is about expanding the audience, while not at all ignoring our core, in fact appealing to them, which you’ll find at E3. It’s about broadening.

GI: Are you trying to connotate a Wi-Fi type thing?
Atwood: I thought the same thing too. The Wi-Fi thing isn’t really part of it, though, once you get to E3, there may be news on that. We’ve already said the system will be online out of the box, but while it lends itself and kind of fits, it’s not the overall intent.

GI: Why reveal the name now? Why not wait until your E3 press conference?
Atwood: E3 for us is all about the games. We understand that when you announce a name it’s going take a bit of time to get comfortable with it, and when we get to the show we want the focus to be completely on the games, and the gameplay. The focus of E3 is to get everyone to play this system. You can only appreciate the system when you play it. I know for a long time we’ve been talking about all the possibilities, and I know you guys have been talking about all of the possibilities of the system.
The key is to focus on the games and the gameplay at E3, not a name, but anything but that.

GI: Speaking of E3, has Nintendo figured out how to control all of the different freehand controllers that are going to be pointing at 80 different directions?
Atwood: Yes, NCL has worked on that and have a pretty good solution which you will see at the show.

GI: This is a very different name and it’s going to be really interesting seeing what the world has to say about it. Nintendo has always paved their own path since the NES, so is this sort of following in that tradition you think?
Atwood: I think that the last few years – the best comparison would be the DS. When we announced DS everybody wasn’t sure about the name, obviously that one is quite literal. But it’s about the concept behind the DS and the concept behind the Revolution. So while Nintendo has gone their own way since the NES, as you stated, it’s really about this new direction of expanding the market, taking care of our traditional gamers, but also developing games like Brain Age, Nintendogs, and the new titles you’re going to see at E3. Really approaching videogames in a very different way, because we don’t believe that staying the course is the right way to go. We believe that a new way to play is the answer. People want more immersion and we will deliver it.

GI: What did you honestly think of the name the first time you heard it?
Atwood: First time I heard it, I sat down and thought about it for a bit, and “Do I like it, Do I not?” and as I thought, “Hmm, it seems a little bit different. I don’t understand it." And then I did the same thing you guys did and watch the video, and the more I understood about the system, the more it’s made a lot of sense to me. Yeah, initially I went, "Wow, this is different." And then once I started getting more hands on with the system, and once I started to understand the concept behind the system and how the name ties in, I actually really like it. I think people will talk about it. You’re definitely seeing it on the net, and people will continue to talk about it.
What I like about it is, it’s not about abbreviating anything. There will be no abbreviation needed. There is no Nintendo Wii. It’s just Wii. It’s a very inclusive name in that respect.

GI: So what are you going to tell the people that think you’re crazy for naming it the Wii?
Atwood: We’re going to tell them, one, play the system. Kind of what we told you. I think initially you’re going to see some reaction, and I think its going to make a lot of sense. Get your hands on the system. Once you see entirely what we’re doing with the system it will make more sense. I would suggest really trying to understand looking at the background story of the name because it’s really telling of the system. The system really supports it. I would say get your hands on the system first and then make your decision. The first look will be at E3, but that won’t be the entire one. The system comes at the end of 2006 and we’re pretty confident and comfortable.

GI: It’s been rumored that the new big Revolution secret is the fact that the nun chuck controller is also motion detecting…
Atwood: Really. That’s interesting. I would say 9:30 in the morning on Tuesday of E3 will be filled with surprises and I would just show up. Because there’s been a ton of speculation. Some of it’s right. Some of it’s not. We’d say that if that’s the only secret you’re expecting you’re going to be very surprised.

GI: Do you think Nintendo is going to take home E3 this year? Why do you think Nintendo will be the big buzz at E3 this year?
Atwood: I think it comes down to totally what I’ve been talking about with the name. I’ve been a gamer since – well I got my NES when I was 11 – and I am starving for a new way to play. I was cynical about the DS when it shipped, I was completely cynical. And long before I worked at Nintendo I found myself playing that system far more than any other handheld. The reason being is that I could do different things.
Right now I’m playing Trauma Center for instance. I love that game. You cannot do that anywhere else. Those types of experiences are really what is compelling. When I can do something new – Nintendogs, Brain Age – those are completely different ways to play and it’s what I’m playing right now. I love the classics, but I’ve played them for a very long time and with the Wii we’ve already talked about you’re going to have the classics, you’re going to have the hardcore games, but you’re also going to be able to play new unique types of games. That’s huge.
To me that has massive social implications. For instance, I’ve played games for many years, and I’ve tried to talk to my mom about a game and it was completely Greek. I believe Wii will open that dialog. I believe it already has with DS. When you look at Brain Age, you can take that game to your parents, your uncle, your niece, and everybody likes it, and gets it, and wants to take it from you. It’s taking this very personal experience and allowing to become more social. And people can understand it more. I mean, when you play Brain Age, you hold it like a book, that’s very easy to understand. You’re going to see more things like that.

GI: (laughs) The name Wii makes me think of peeing! You said you have to hold the DS like a book for Brain Age, I hate to know how I’m supposed to hold the Wii controller.
Atwood: I’m not going to go there, but you won’t be surprised. When you look at it, there’s so many different things you can do. But come to E3 and you will appreciate it.

Boondock Saint
04-27-2006, 07:19 PM
That name sucks.

#BROKEN Hasney
04-27-2006, 07:35 PM
I am so fucked off with this it's crazy. Revolution was good enough and now they're pissing about. Honest to god, I am calling it revolution until they actually REALISE what a stupid fucking name that is and change it back. They can fuck right off.

Boondock Saint
04-27-2006, 07:37 PM
Wii will Wii will rock you

Kane Knight
04-27-2006, 07:41 PM
Because thats what you do when you're having fun. You refer to yourself and some other people.


That's wiitarded.

Kane Knight
04-27-2006, 07:44 PM
They didn't "change" the name. Revolution was always just a working title that caught on, Wii is the first official name for the system.

A working title really doesn't count as a working title once it's been treated like this. Honestly, when you're putting up subdomains and announcing it to the public, it's no longer a working title.

...Unless you're George Lucas.

Mike the Metal Ed
04-27-2006, 07:48 PM
Of course it is, they've gotta call it something until they're ready to come out with the final name. http://newconsolefromnintendo.nintendo.com isn't going to work as well as http://revolution.nintendo.com

Xero
04-27-2006, 08:02 PM
Well, if they keep the name through E3, it'll stick.

Otherwise, they'll say it was a late April Fool's joke and change it to something, you know, less stupid.

Xero
04-27-2006, 09:26 PM
This will be a bit of a rant...

I just had a thought on another forum replying to a fanboy who asked what my "ace in the hole" against Revolution/Wii is.

One, Resistance. Swords have weight. Fishing poles have resistence. You aren't going to get a good experiece out of playing with a remote control. Go ahead, pick up your remote and pretend you're flailing a sword around. You won't feel much.

Two, third party support. This is basically a given since the Gamecubed bombed on it.

Three, retro games. There is something TERRIBLY wrong if you have to rely on SELLING OLD games to sell your NEW console. That proves that they're clearly not looking at this generation as a money maker for new games and they clearly don't have faith in it. Their biggest selling points are a remote control and old games that if you like you probably already own.

Kane Knight
04-27-2006, 09:42 PM
Nintendo relies on gimmicks.

But I have to argue about resistance. Most guncons don't have recoil. Vibration doesn't make you feel like you just got kicked in the gut. Steering Wheels don't feel like a real car's, nor do you get the sensation of turning.

Otherwise, yeah. The Third Party Market will be pretty dead for the Wii. Even with a controller add-on to have a normal controller simulation, it's going to be too alien a system to mesh with mainstream.

And the games from the past being a selling point is pretty much proof of how weak the concept is.

But then, Philips found that out the hard wya.

Mike the Metal Ed
04-27-2006, 09:51 PM
From what I've heard, the third party developers love the idea, but seeing as 3rd party was so poor on the Cube, I can't see them coming out with loads of great games for it.

Xero
04-27-2006, 10:14 PM
From what I've heard, the third party developers love the idea, but seeing as 3rd party was so poor on the Cube, I can't see them coming out with loads of great games for it.
And another problem is the multi-console game. Never mind limitations, I've always said that if every single game didn't use the motion sensor in one way or another it's completely wasted. And that would mean not only rewriting graphics, game size, etc, but also implementing at least one thing with the motion. That's not going to look pretty.

As for the motion, I don't know, I just can't buy swinging something like a remote and thinking it's a sword. At least the guns look like guns and the wheels are wheels. This is an elongated brick with buttons.

I've also brought up problems with personal injury. Flicking your wrists around with this is going to put MUCH more stress on them than holding a controller. I've been playing video games since I was about three (probably more than the average boy) in addition to years at a computer, and suffice to say I've got multiple problems with my hands.

Ever see that Simpsons episode where Bart makes a comment about writing on the chalk board and his wrist sounding like a cement truck? That's me. So I'd hate to have had this kind of technology back then, as swinging and flicking your wrists has to be much more dangerous than keeping your hands on a controller.

Mike the Metal Ed
04-27-2006, 10:22 PM
I fail to see how it's "completely wasted" if a few developers (namely EA, probably) are too lazy to use the controller properly.

As for the second comment, I'm sure years of pad playing has put people's wrists in worse condition (see also: forcing your hands to stay in one place against the pressure of the controller for ages, twisting the controller around as some people do), the way the Wii controller works seems like much more natural movement than a traditional pad.

Xero
04-27-2006, 10:27 PM
Why even make the sensors if every game won't use it? If they take that attitude, it'll just go to shit and only be used for menus and shit instead of gameplay.

The way your fingers will be positioned (thumb on top, index on bottom) won't make it much better.

But my point wasn't the positioning, it was the actual movement of your arms. I can't see how flicking and flailing your wrists around (as that's how most people will do it) is good for your wrists.

mitchables
04-27-2006, 10:44 PM
Ever see that Simpsons episode where Bart makes a comment about writing on the chalk board and his wrist sounding like a cement truck? That's me. So I'd hate to have had this kind of technology back then, as swinging and flicking your wrists has to be much more dangerous than keeping your hands on a controller.

Swinging and flicking your wrists has to be much more dangerous than keeping your hands on a controller?

Right.

Inform our discus throwers, our bowlers, our baseball players, and our frisbee players. Inform the golfers, the basketballers, and the fishermen. Inform the guitarists, bass players and drummers. Tell them all that they'd be better off sitting motionless on a couch developing cement trucks at the end of their arms. Come on.

If you're really that worried about your fragile wrists snapping, you might be pleased to know that a) there are GameCube ports on the Wii so, at the very least, there will be some games that won't break your mixers; b) the whole "nunchuck" analog stick attachment suggests that you might even get to try something new without harming your wrists by violently flailing and swinging, and; c) that Nintendo have announced a "dock" for the remote-controller, which will adapt it into a more "traditional" wireless controller anyway.

Blitz
04-27-2006, 10:52 PM
Did you guys hear? Sony has officially announced that the PS3 will be called the PuPu when it launches.

Blitz
04-27-2006, 10:53 PM
I think that is probably the most juvenile joke I could have made here.

Drakul
04-27-2006, 11:07 PM
I can see playground bullying coming from this:

Kid 1: I got a PS3, what do you play with Kid 2?
Kid 2: I play with my Wii.
*Kid 2 gets bullied for eternity*
Beat me to it!

As for the motion, I don't know, I just can't buy swinging something like a remote and thinking it's a sword. At least the guns look like guns and the wheels are wheels. This is an elongated brick with buttons
Well is you want it realistic then you could buy this.
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/8691/zeldarevkontroll7ul.jpg

DS
04-27-2006, 11:13 PM
I think I would be so embarassed playing with that controller. Even if I was alone.

Drakul
04-27-2006, 11:20 PM
Just wait for it to get recalled when some kid from San Diego puts on a green sweater and stabs his little sister for eating the last cookie from the jar.

Kane Knight
04-27-2006, 11:20 PM
I fail to see how it's "completely wasted" if a few developers (namely EA, probably) are too lazy to use the controller properly.

A few?

Kapoutman
04-27-2006, 11:24 PM
It seems like Mike is the only other one agreeing with me on this, but Wii is only a name. People ragged on Nintendo for the N64 saying it was too simple of a name and you are still all acting pissed off because of a fucking name. I don't care what's written on the front of the console, I want to have fun playing it.

Yes, the name sounds bad, but who cares if the games are as good as what Nintendo usually develops? There is a lot of third party support already announced for the Revolution, as the Gamecube actually helped Nintendo regain some of the support it lost with the N64.

In the end, I don't care if I'm playing a "Nintendo Poop" or a "Playstation 134¼". I just want good game for the system.

DS
04-27-2006, 11:29 PM
It's more then just a name. The name sums up the console. Revolution worked because that's what they were going for with the console and the controller specifically. Wii just sounds like they were trying to think of something that could be used in a lot of tag lines.

Overall, it does affect the console.

Drakul
04-27-2006, 11:29 PM
I know its just a name but, who is going to ask for a Wii for Xmas? I can see everyone who asks for a wii getting directions to the toilet instead.

"Now you can go and get that wii, of yours!"

Ps3 and stuff works better because its called Playstation, a console you already own and the number at the end means its new but its familiar so people will have more trust in it and buy it. Thats how I see it, anyway.

Kapoutman
04-27-2006, 11:41 PM
It's more then just a name. The name sums up the console. Revolution worked because that's what they were going for with the console and the controller specifically. Wii just sounds like they were trying to think of something that could be used in a lot of tag lines.

Overall, it does affect the console.

It's nothing more than a name. I will go to the counter and ask the clerk for a "Nintendo Wii", and a lot of other people will. That's because few people past the age of 12 care about what a store clerk thinks about them.

If you're put off just because the name sounds like pee (which didn't even occur to this Frenchie), you'll probably be missing a lot of great games just because you think it doesn't sound "cool". I think that it has been proven countless times in the industry. A name doesn't mean a thing. You can call your game/system by any weird name, as long as it gets some publicity and the product is good, people will buy it. I'm not even talking only about Nintendo here.

DS
04-27-2006, 11:49 PM
I could care less about the name. It would not really affect my decision to purchase the console or not. I am put off by the other aspects of the console.

To me, the name Revolution was the only thing Nintendo had going for this console.

Drakul
04-27-2006, 11:59 PM
Yeah if I was interested in the console, I'd still buy it regardless of the name. I'm not that intesrested though. I did prefer Revolution to Wii, though.

Funky Fly
04-28-2006, 03:58 AM
Mike, Guy... you 2 need to take a marketing class. The name can make all the difference in the world.

Jonster
04-28-2006, 04:33 AM
I think that is probably the most juvenile joke I could have made here.

Try:

I'm finding the name change to Nintendo Wii hard to swallow.

Jonster
04-28-2006, 04:37 AM
A working title really doesn't count as a working title once it's been treated like this. Honestly, when you're putting up subdomains and announcing it to the public, it's no longer a working title.

...Unless you're George Lucas.

I remember the Nintedo Gamecube having the working title Dolphin. Does that mean the Gamecube is badly named for the same reason?

Mr. Monday Morning
04-28-2006, 07:29 AM
Seriously, like the guy in the interview mentioned, it makes *no* sense to give something like this a name which requires cliff notes to fucking understand it. Do you get a free dossier at time of purchase explaining how the machine was created?

It has ZERO commercial appeal. It's all well and good saying "we want to expand and create new gamers" yadda yadda...they are going to do nothing but alienate people with the way this entire project is going.

And what is with this bullshit "well the two i's look like people!"? What? What amount of crack had been consumed when they came up with that? Does DS look like a snake going over a hill? WTF SERIOUSLY.

Tornado
04-28-2006, 07:45 AM
Nintendo have seriosuly fucked themselves over on this one. The majority of people will look at that name, and then at the funky controller, and then go and buy a PS3.
I am by far a huge Nintendo fanboy, and will still be buying a "Wii", but damn, sometimes I wonder if Nintendo know what the fuck they are doing.

Mike the Metal Ed
04-28-2006, 07:51 AM
Mike, Guy... you 2 need to take a marketing class. The name can make all the difference in the world.

I'm not saying it won't, I'm just going to wait until the shock wears down. Maybe then wii'll (lol) see.

Bad Company
04-28-2006, 08:43 AM
Terrible name.

Kane Knight
04-28-2006, 09:33 AM
It's nothing more than a name. I will go to the counter and ask the clerk for a "Nintendo Wii", and a lot of other people will. That's because few people past the age of 12 care about what a store clerk thinks about them.

If you're put off just because the name sounds like pee (which didn't even occur to this Frenchie), you'll probably be missing a lot of great games just because you think it doesn't sound "cool". I think that it has been proven countless times in the industry. A name doesn't mean a thing. You can call your game/system by any weird name, as long as it gets some publicity and the product is good, people will buy it. I'm not even talking only about Nintendo here.

Actually, I doubt I'll be missing many great games at all.

Nothing on the DS has hooked me, save for Advance Wars DS and Meteos. Most of the other games are gimmicky crap and/or get boring fast.

GCN turned off a lot of gamers because ofthings other than the "kiddy" label too. People were turned off by the small discs (Which, if use properly with the GCN's compression, should be more than capable of handling anything a DVD-9 can do, but almost no developer went that route, instead saying DISC TOO SMALL and moving on). They were turned off by a lack of solid third party support.

Wii will be in the same boat. The controller's a turnoff (Where it's supposed to be bringing everyone together, it's perhaps the biggest dividing point), the probability of weak 3rd party support is a turnoff, multiple attachments is a turnof, the back catalog speaks of what they're expecting their currents to look like (Though to be fair, most of the time nintendo just ports old games to new systems, gets called brilliant, etc., so this is nothing new), and it's still aout a generation behind the other systems in terms of the features folks are looking for.

Wii is just the tip of the iceberg.

Kane Knight
04-28-2006, 09:38 AM
I remember the Nintedo Gamecube having the working title Dolphin. Does that mean the Gamecube is badly named for the same reason?

Nintendo didn't put up a subdomain at dolphin.nintendo.com. They didn't put updates on said nonexistant url for the dolphin. Much dolphin news was leaked and was still understood to be a codename even when it wasn't.

Nintendo didn't get this far into the hype process before changing its name.

Dolphin wasn't practically a household name already associated with the Gamecube. In fact, MOST people never knew it had the codename dolphin (And most people are unaware that, aside from the DS, pretty much every system from Nintendo in the last 15 years has had a codename pre-release).

I'll repeat that: Dolphin was not already heavily associated with the GCN.

Hell, most of this I already said; I'm just hoping that maybe your mind'll catch some of it now that it's being used within the context of the Gamecube.

Disturbed316
04-28-2006, 09:43 AM
Fucking hell.

Zelda
04-28-2006, 10:13 AM
It's nothing more than a name. I will go to the counter and ask the clerk for a "Nintendo Wii", and a lot of other people will. That's because few people past the age of 12 care about what a store clerk thinks about them.

If you're put off just because the name sounds like pee (which didn't even occur to this Frenchie), you'll probably be missing a lot of great games just because you think it doesn't sound "cool". I think that it has been proven countless times in the industry. A name doesn't mean a thing. You can call your game/system by any weird name, as long as it gets some publicity and the product is good, people will buy it. I'm not even talking only about Nintendo here.


Have you ever heard about marketing? Of course it won't have an effect on people like you who would have bought it anyway. It will probably have an effect on the potential new customers.

Jonster
04-28-2006, 11:23 AM
Nintendo didn't put up a subdomain at dolphin.nintendo.com. They didn't put updates on said nonexistant url for the dolphin. Much dolphin news was leaked and was still understood to be a codename even when it wasn't.

Nintendo didn't get this far into the hype process before changing its name.

Dolphin wasn't practically a household name already associated with the Gamecube. In fact, MOST people never knew it had the codename dolphin (And most people are unaware that, aside from the DS, pretty much every system from Nintendo in the last 15 years has had a codename pre-release).

I'll repeat that: Dolphin was not already heavily associated with the GCN.

Hell, most of this I already said; I'm just hoping that maybe your mind'll catch some of it now that it's being used within the context of the Gamecube.

So registering a subdomain despite telling everyone in the world, on multiple occasions, that Revolution was only a code name makes Nintendo wrong for changing the name of the console. Revolution isn't practically a household name at all, only really with gamers and maybe people gamers have talked to. If I said to my step-sister, or dad, or about half of my friends if they knew about the Nintendo Revolution they wouldn't know what I was talking about. It's not really had mainstream coverage, I've heard it mentioned once when the controller was revealed on Radio 1 during the day time, where it had a whole 13 seconds dedicated to it. The masses don't know it as the Revolution, and now it seems they never will.

The Dolphin comparisson (looking back now) wasn't as solid as I first thought, but for the people that read the news then, anything about the future Gamecube was Dolphin news. People reading about the new info knew it as the Dolphin. Just not on as wide a scale because there wasn't anything particularly new coming with it - one of the main reasons more people knew about the Revolution was the mystery of the controller.

I've already caught wind of what you were saying, I'm just bringing up the other side because Nintendo aren't completely in the wrong, even though I don't agree with the change myself.

Kane Knight
04-28-2006, 12:02 PM
Dude.

I didn't say they were in the wrong.

I actually didn't even say it was a bad idea.

However, it is. Dolphin was never a household name, and they made a poor business dicision in changing the Rev's name after it became one itself. You said it yourself--Different scale.

So what the fuck are we arguing about?

They can rename their products after they're released. Call the DS the nii or some shit. It's their right to do so.

My argument was that this really wasn't a working title (And the Dolphin had constant remoinders, whereas the Revolution had more or less the total opposite), as they had been using it as more than a working title (Whether that was their intent, or not). Coming to the public with this level of promotion without a title is more or less unheard of, because (And here comes point two):

It's a bloody horrible marketing move to change the name of a product when it's already so associated, especially to something that needs a full brochure just to tell you why they made the change.

At the point you're trying to saturate the market with information on your new product, you're saying "yoink!" and damaging the work you've done so far.

No, Nintendo isn't in the wrong (As in culpable of guilt), but they shouldn't have done this.

Kane Knight
04-28-2006, 12:04 PM
All in all, wii just leaves a bad taste in my mouth...

...Hey, someone was trying for the most juvenile joke...

Extreme Angle
04-28-2006, 12:22 PM
PS3,360...Wii
that doesn't sound right

Loose Cannon
04-28-2006, 12:33 PM
haha, no way. I am still calling it Revolution.

"you guys wanna come see my wii"

"you guys wanna come over and play with my wii"

"Let's go whip your wii out and start playing man"

"fuck, just broke my wii"

Come on now, wtf?

UmbrellaCorporation
04-28-2006, 12:49 PM
All things considered, 360 is a pretty homoriffic name too.

Kane Knight
04-28-2006, 01:21 PM
All things considered, 360 is a pretty homoriffic name too.I agree. However, it's better than Wii. 360 and PS3 are both pretty uninspired names, all things considered.

I don't know. It looks like we're stuck between "blatantly uninspired" and "gimmick masquerading as innovation."

DS
04-28-2006, 02:15 PM
Xbox 360 is quite ingenious. It was a play on Sony and Nintendo's next generation systems. A 360 degree turn is one full Revolution and it played well against Sony's Playstation 3. Both 3's gave it a sense of equalness.

Playstation 3, while just a number change, keeps everything that was good about the past two systems and sticks with it. So even though they don't have anything out yet, it's still a name that people will buy.

The Mask
04-28-2006, 02:40 PM
more like nintendo puu

#BROKEN Hasney
04-28-2006, 06:09 PM
I just read on Joystiq that in England, "Koch" will distribute "Wii"

Kane Knight
04-28-2006, 07:10 PM
Xbox 360 is quite ingenious. It was a play on Sony and Nintendo's next generation systems. A 360 degree turn is one full Revolution and it played well against Sony's Playstation 3. Both 3's gave it a sense of equalness.

You really like over interpreting.

Kane Knight
04-28-2006, 07:11 PM
I just read on Joystiq that in England, "Koch" will distribute "Wii"

I beleive it's pronounced "coke," which is pretty close to "cock," too.

DS
04-28-2006, 07:20 PM
You really like over interpreting.
I do what I can.

Kane Knight
04-28-2006, 07:24 PM
Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back was an introspective of the human condition.

DS
04-28-2006, 09:19 PM
You're getting a Wii bit off subject. If Wii can just get back on topic.

Shadow
04-29-2006, 02:04 AM
It might not even be the actual name. Like this could all be one huge swerve and at E3 we'll get the actual name.

Even if it's not...I'm still buying it. It could be called Steaming Pile of Crap, but I'll buy it as long as the games are good.

Kane Knight
04-29-2006, 11:49 AM
So, not knowing what there will be for games, you've decided to buy it, hiding behind the hollow assertion "as long as the games are good, I don't care what it's called."

Shadow
04-29-2006, 12:32 PM
Do you question where I get the pot I sell you?

Kane Knight
04-29-2006, 01:43 PM
4:20 dude.

Penner
05-02-2006, 03:05 AM
wii fucking hate it

road doggy dogg
05-02-2006, 03:48 AM
I've kinda gotten used to it now. Yeah there's like a million better names they coulda used but it's not even that bad.

Funky Fly
05-02-2006, 04:17 AM
This thing had better be a ble to turn lead into gold if I'm gonna be getting one. :|

Kane Knight
05-02-2006, 10:22 AM
This thing had better be a ble to turn lead into gold if I'm gonna be getting one. :|

road doggy dogg
05-02-2006, 08:16 PM
This thing had better be a ble to turn lead into gold if I'm gonna be getting one. :|

lol why? Have fun playing the exact same shit you have been the past 5 years with PS3 then

DS
05-02-2006, 08:29 PM
lol why? Have fun playing the exact same shit you have been the past 5 years with PS3 then

What?

UmbrellaCorporation
05-02-2006, 08:55 PM
I :heart: Nintendo so much, but outside of their staples, they really bring nothing new to the table. Not to say that any of the classic series are bad, not at all. But you can only see Mario/Zelda so many times before you want to kill yourself. Or in my case, anyway.

Kane Knight
05-02-2006, 08:57 PM
I :heart: Nintendo so much, but outside of their staples, they really bring nothing new to the table. Not to say that any of the classic series are bad, not at all. But you can only see Mario/Zelda so many times before you want to kill yourself. Or in my case, anyway.

But they are innovative! with a touch screen and a remote controller and...

...Oh.

Kane Knight
05-02-2006, 09:03 PM
Honestly, newer gens of Mario and Zelda really bore me.

DS
05-02-2006, 09:06 PM
lol why? Have fun playing the exact same shit you have been the past 5 years with PS3 then

I really hope you elaborate on this because I have no idea where you're coming from.

Kane Knight
05-02-2006, 09:09 PM
I really hope you elaborate on this because I have no idea where you're coming from.

Nintendo=teh innovative
Sony=teh suxorz

DS
05-02-2006, 09:10 PM
Well now it makes sense. Thanks. :D

Funky Fly
05-02-2006, 09:16 PM
lol why? Have fun playing the exact same shit you have been the past 5 years with PS3 then

I've only had a PS2 for 8 months. It's the first playstation anything I've ever owned. So everything from the last 5 years is new to me.

I love the Gamecube. I really do. The first party games are truly glorious. But frankly, I can't even tell you how many games I've missed out on by going with Nintendo over the years. Now that I'm at an age where I've got the cash to be able to get more than one console (the parental units certainly weren't going to get another one), I'm slowly getting into all the series that Nintendo doesn't have. Tekken 5, Guilty Gear XX, God of War, Soul Calibur 3, Devil May Cry 3. And those are all recent games. The list is long and starts all the way back in like 1996. :|

Nintendo's habit of introducing a gimmick that does more harm than good has finally crossed the line with me.

On the 64, the cartridges lacked space and the ability to produce quality sound. The memory card system was a joke.

On the Gamecube, the small reverse-spinning discs (which were meant to and failed to thwart piracy) not only held less space, but alienated 3rd party support. The cross platform games that do come out on the Cube often have content cut out to fit on the discs. On top of that the ridiculous controller, with its tiny d-pad and awkwardly placed face buttons make playing fighting games (in addition to others), for lack of a better word, AWKWARD.

The third party support is 60% kids games, 30% crap and 9% decent. That last 1% is for the few games that attempt to make up for lack of online play in the GC ports with other features (mostly EA Big games and the special offline version of Phantasy Star Online). And speaking of online games, why did Nintendo even bother manufacturing network adapters when there is only 1 game (Phantasy Star Online) that is even online capable? And Sega had to set up their own network for it too. And that whole GBA to Gamecube link up thing. The only non-Nintendo game that made use of it was FF Chrystal Chronicles. Fuck, EA wasn't even confident enough to release a proper Final Fantasy for the Cube. And Nintendo really thinks that fucking Wii will be truly online capable when their only means of going online is through wireless networks? The thing isn't the DS (where wireless actually makes sense) and most people with broadband DON'T have wireless routers. So much for all those downloadable games.

They've made no announcements that concern some sort of attachment for 3rd party support. In fact, I'll bet that they're going to rely on Gamecube controllers to cover that. :|

Look, I like the idea of innovative, interactive gameplay as much as the next guy, but if they don't have something for those who like classic controller gameplay, they'll be out of business by the next cycle. All I'm sayin' is that gimmicks go on top of the base function of the system, they're not the foundation itself.

Kane Knight
05-02-2006, 09:22 PM
Funky Fly is like my black canadian Jesus.

Skippord
05-02-2006, 10:01 PM
Retards

Kane Knight
05-02-2006, 10:31 PM
Don't you dare talk about my Jesus like that. :mad:

Silent
05-02-2006, 11:01 PM
Good post there Funky, but one thing..

Fuck, EA wasn't even confident enough to release a proper Final Fantasy for the Cube.

Square Enix owns Final Fantasy not EA. :p

loopydate
05-02-2006, 11:06 PM
Okay, I got about sixty posts into this thread (which was about forty too many) before I just gave up.

I honestly don't give a shit what it's called, as long as it's fun to play. They could call it "Giant Ball Of Elephant Shit," but if the games are enjoyable, I'll buy one. And so will millions of others.

The name "Nintendo" sells itself, no matter what they call the console itself. People bought the N64 because it was a Nintendo system. Ditto for the GameCube. It's the "Nintendo" that sells, not the product.

Funky Fly
05-02-2006, 11:28 PM
Good post there Funky, but one thing..



Square Enix owns Final Fantasy not EA. :p
Yeah, my bad. I was caught up in a fit of rage. :o

Also, Loopy. That is true, but only for some people. If I learned anything in marketing class, it's that brand loyalty isn't as powerful as it used to be. That is why services beyond the base product (in this case, online play and backward compatibility) are becoming more commonplace.

Besides, if you look at the sales figures for Nintendo (they're on the net somewhere :$), they've declined by several million each system.

Kane Knight
05-02-2006, 11:30 PM
Okay, I got about sixty posts into this thread (which was about forty too many) before I just gave up.

I honestly don't give a shit what it's called, as long as it's fun to play. They could call it "Giant Ball Of Elephant Shit," but if the games are enjoyable, I'll buy one. And so will millions of others.

The name "Nintendo" sells itself, no matter what they call the console itself. People bought the N64 because it was a Nintendo system. Ditto for the GameCube. It's the "Nintendo" that sells, not the product.

Contradictory? :wtf:

The second part is right. The games don't sell it, the name does.

Kane Knight
05-02-2006, 11:33 PM
Yeah, my bad. I was caught up in a fit of rage. :o

Also, Loopy. That is true, but only for some people. If I learned anything in marketing class, it's that brand loyalty isn't as powerful as it used to be. That is why services beyond the base product (in this case, online play and backward compatibility) are becoming more commonplace.

Besides, if you look at the sales figures for Nintendo (they're on the net somewhere :$), they've declined by several million each system.

Mostly because confidence in their direction is fading.

See, it's not the name (Though the name isn't HELPING) any. It's becoming a system where you get Nintendo games, and that's about it. They keep alienating the third party market, and the games, and the gamers as a result of the third party market. They're using parlor tricks where they should be making good games and getting developer support. And for fuck's sake, knock it off substituting ports for new games!

Drakul
05-02-2006, 11:36 PM
Of course, The Western World is very self concious and wont buy something that doesn't look and sound cool. I still remember hearing around 40 people in school not long after the GC was released. All of them said "I'm not buying that its pink/purple!" Don't think they knew it came in black. On top of that I doubt many casual people will want to swing a remote around thinking its the Master Sword.

Now, Japan is diffrent because there loyal to nintendo no matter what and there not as self concious as us. Over there you can walk down the street dressed as Pikachu and carrying your GC in the open (hence the handle at the back) and no one would really care as much as they would here.

Basically Nintendo probably think about how to market there stuff to Japan before even considering us.

Kane Knight
05-02-2006, 11:45 PM
Actually, the japanese are very self conscious, there's just different social standards.

You know, like the French are hygenic, but they think smelling like shit is a good thing. A ho ho ho...

Drakul
05-03-2006, 01:56 AM
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/935/0605019ku.jpg

Kane Knight
05-03-2006, 08:48 AM
I really do hope this system tanks, because I'd like to see Nintendo spend less time with gimmicks and more making good games.

Drakul
05-03-2006, 11:06 AM
Never noticed the Nintendo gimmicks until now, actually.

Kalyx triaD
05-03-2006, 12:38 PM
Can't wait to get my Wii-Wii.

loopydate
05-03-2006, 02:21 PM
Contradictory? :wtf:

The second part is right. The games don't sell it, the name does.

Nah. The first part was personal preference, the second was in a broader economic sense. First part micro, second part macro.

Kane Knight
05-03-2006, 06:01 PM
So by "millions of others," you meant yourself.

loopydate
05-03-2006, 06:06 PM
Yes, KK. That's exactly what I meant.

Kane Knight
05-03-2006, 07:08 PM
Well, it's what you're claiming now...

loopydate
05-03-2006, 07:14 PM
I'm claiming two things.

1) I will buy it if the games are good, regardless of what it's called.
2) Others will buy it simply because it's a Nintendo product, regardless of what it's called.

Now, does the name have an effect on the system-buying choices of others? Yeah, probably. But I personally honestly don't care as long as it's fun.

That's what I'm saying, and that's what I said earlier. Notice how the two statements that you took aside as "contradictory" appeared in two separate paragraphs, indicating two distinct coherent thoughts.

Kapoutman
05-04-2006, 12:06 AM
About the third party things though, it's already getting lots of support from third parties. Way more than the Gamecube had.

Kane Knight
05-04-2006, 09:15 AM
I'm claiming two things.

1) I will buy it if the games are good, regardless of what it's called.
2) Others will buy it simply because it's a Nintendo product, regardless of what it's called.

Now, does the name have an effect on the system-buying choices of others? Yeah, probably. But I personally honestly don't care as long as it's fun.

That's what I'm saying, and that's what I said earlier. Notice how the two statements that you took aside as "contradictory" appeared in two separate paragraphs, indicating two distinct coherent thoughts.

Did you notice that and conjunction at the end of the first statement?

I didn't edit that in there, nor did it come from the separate argument you're talking about.

Kane Knight
05-04-2006, 09:15 AM
About the third party things though, it's already getting lots of support from third parties. Way more than the Gamecube had.

4 is way more.

Seriously.

Kane Knight
05-04-2006, 09:16 AM
Further, there's an issue of quality. For example, they've turned off the makers of the Rogue Squadron Series, who are now developing for PS3. RL was easily one of the GREATEST games on the GCN...

loopydate
05-04-2006, 02:25 PM
Did you notice that and conjunction at the end of the first statement?

I didn't edit that in there, nor did it come from the separate argument you're talking about.

Don't argue semantics with me. The "and" was meant as a transition into the next paragraph. "I will buy one. And so will millions of others." In the next paragraph, I explained why the millions of others would.

Kapoutman
05-04-2006, 11:19 PM
4 is way more.

Seriously.

When I say "way more", I'm talking about Capcom, Konami, Ubisoft, THQ, EA, hell, even Square announced a game for the Wii.

I'm not even going to count the small publishers like Midway, Atlus, Natsume and all the others.

Kane Knight
05-05-2006, 01:19 AM
Yeah, but the real issue is how much support

Hell, even most of those guys announced suppor for GCN.

What happened? Several offered limited support.

Several yanked support entirely.

Man, if only pledged support meant something, the four new guys would probably make a diff.

Kane Knight
05-05-2006, 09:55 AM
Oh, and Loopy, I'm not arguing semantics. I'm arguing exactly what you said word for word because you made that statement, and somehow forgot what you wrote in the process of quoting me, because when I asked you about a specific part, you were unable to comment and acted as though it was still totally unrelated to the first part of your statement when it was part of the first part of your statement.

Which spawned the apparent contradiction in the first place.

But instead of addressing it, you could pretend you never said it, or that it was part of the second phrase, or I'm whining about semantics...

Savio
05-05-2006, 05:18 PM
KK is Anti-Semantic
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I hope nintendo goes close to bankrupt and decides to become a 3rd party developer.

Dorkchop
05-12-2006, 12:11 AM
HOLY! You can plug your Gamecube controller into your Wii.

Kane Knight
05-12-2006, 10:53 AM
KK is Anti-Semantic

No, I'm anti-semitic. Loopy is a homo jew.

Dorkchop
05-12-2006, 01:02 PM
No, I'm anti-semitic. Loopy is a homo jew.

Kids can call him Ho-jew.

Kane Knight
05-12-2006, 03:40 PM
Not to be confused with Jew-Ho, which is Lita's given name.

Destor
05-13-2006, 10:01 PM
I cant wait for the Wii, this thing looks fantastic. It looks loads of fun and it's something the little woman and I can play together (which is also fantastic.) They are really going to have the female market cinched on this (just like in the hand-held department.) And when you consider that women control what a large percent of what the men have, this is going to make a serious impact.

UmbrellaCorporation
05-13-2006, 10:22 PM
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/935/0605019ku.jpg


ROFL, AXEL REFERENCE FTW. :y: :y: :y:

Destor
05-14-2006, 01:50 AM
I am sitting here watching stuff on the Wii and I cant stop being excited. This thing is going to be insane.

Drakul
05-14-2006, 02:25 AM
Theres another Vgcats up thats about the Wii, quite funny.

Destor
05-14-2006, 02:36 AM
E3 2006: It's a Wrap
Matt sums up the show, links to the biggest stories and gives you his picks for Best of E3. Is Nintendo the big winner?
by Matt Casamassina (http://revolution.ign.com/email.html) http://media.ign.com/ign/images/readmyblog.gif (http://blogs.ign.com/Matt-IGN/)


May 12, 2006 - The bell sounded throughout the Los Angeles Convention Center at 4:00 p.m. on Friday, signaling the end of the Electronics Entertainment Expo 2006. Perhaps we imagined it, but it almost seemed that we could hear the simultaneous relief sighs of videogame journalists and pained sobs of fanboys still waiting in line for the chance to go hands-on with Super Mario Galaxy for Nintendo Wii.

This year's show was one of the best. Not only did we witness the unveilings of two new systems in Wii and Sony PlayStation 3, but also Microsoft stepped up with second-generation software for its Xbox 360 console (http://revolution.ign.com/articles/708/708558p1.html#). As a result, there were some great new pieces of hardware and yet nearly all of it took a backseat to the innovative games (http://revolution.ign.com/articles/708/708558p1.html#) on the floor, which were in bulk regardless of whose booth you visited.

We went into E3 2006 unconvinced of the Wii name or the machine's potential and walked away from the Convention Center knowing for certain that Nintendo (http://revolution.ign.com/articles/708/708558p1.html#) has another hit on its hands. Wii is everything we were hoping it might be, as evidenced by spectacular games such as Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3 and Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. The Big N's new platform may lack the graphic horsepower of competitor PlayStation 3, but its innovative controller stole the show right out from underneath Sony's (http://revolution.ign.com/articles/708/708558p1.html#) collective feet.

Warhawk looked fabulous. Heavenly Sword superb. But neither game packed Sony's booth. On the other hand, Nintendo's space was filled to the spilling point from the very moment the E3 doors opened until they closed again. On the second day of the exhibition, representatives for the Convention Center announced that the line to see Nintendo's Wii console, which zigzagged around corners and promised a wait time of more than four hours, had broken every E3 record.

The Big N seemed to have come to E3 2006 with a few goals in mind. First, to show why Wii was different from its competitors and yet still accomplished. Second, to educate gamers on the controller and a new way to play. And third, to have fun. This last point was something that could almost be felt from the moment the Big N kicked off its media briefing event, in which Shigeru Miyamoto took the stage and conducted a virtual symphony using the Wii-mote, and Iwata and Reggie casually squared off in a couple games of Wii Sports Tennis. Click here to see it all in action (http://media.revolution.ign.com/articles/706/706429/vids_1.html).

Even our interviews with the company's top executives seemed to move at a slower, carefree pace. Nintendo seemed for once legitimately unconcerned with what its competitors were doing and unflinchingly convinced of its own pursuits. This attitude is perhaps best illustrated by the nonchalant chat we had NOA's VP of corporate affairs, Perrin Kaplan, which took place (literally) on the E3 show floor. That's right, click this link to see it. (http://media.revolution.ign.com/articles/708/708093/vids_1.html).

Nintendo hasn't always blown us away at E3. There have been some years we'd like to forget and we'd be willing to bet that folks from the Big N itself would agree with our sentiments. But as far as success stories go, E3 2006 belonged to the company. It had the hardware, the games, and the attitude, and we aren't merely stating so because we're the Nintendo editors. Just click on our Day 3 show wrap (http://media.games.ign.com/articles/693/693580/vids_1.html) and you'll see that nearly every IGN editor queried is in agreement that the Big N took this year's event.

Really, how could it not? The Wii-mote performed exactly as Nintendo promised, opening up a new avenue for simpler, more intuitive games. Wii Sports Baseball was both graphically primitive and mechanically basic. And yet, the process of swinging a virtual bat with the Wii-mote was undeniably fun and entertaining in a manner completely impossible with a traditional controller. In a matter of minutes, using Nintendo's new pointer seemed almost second nature, as a round or two with its astonishing new platformer, Super Mario Galaxy, easily demonstrated. The company's revolutionary remote and by association the Wii console earned my pick for hardware of the show, besting Sony's far more powerful, but relatively uneventful PlayStation 3.

Meanwhile, despite heavy competition from such Xbox 360 games as Bioshock, Mass Effect, Gears of War and Assassin's Creed, Super Mario Galaxy's spot-on control and superb level designs earned it my pick for Game of the Show. By the way, it looks pretty damned good, too. If I had to pick a runner-up, it'd go to Bioshock, whose unbelievable concept and oozing atmosphere set it a notch above most everything else.

Other honorable mentions include Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. The Wii-mote control definitely improved the franchise's experience and even the short demo featured some satisfying surprises, like a sweet fight with Ridley as Aran plummeted down an abyss, but the lack of a quick 180-turn solution proved a bit problematic. I've got my fingers crossed that developer Retro Studios will work this out. If not, Corruption will still be amazing. But if the 180-turn makes it in, too, then the game could really set a new first-person control bar for home consoles.

Wii Sports Tennis isn't exactly a graphical showcase, but it is a gameplay one; the title's simplified controls just worked and proved to be a lot of fun. Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess may end up being the best game of the year. However, E3 is not a good venue for the title as it is an adventure than runs much deeper than the time permits on the show floor. Excite Truck captured the hearts of several IGN editors, many of whom initially thought it was going to be clumsy or stupid. And finally, games like WarioWare: Smooth Moves, Elebits, Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz, Sonic Wild Fire and more were a lot of fun. Guess what, haters? I happened to like Madden's controls, too - EA really put some time into this new game of football and it shows.

E3 2006 officially kicked off on Wednesday and ended on Friday, which seems from the outside looking in to be fairly short. However, for the Nintendo team at IGN, which included Dan Iverson, JKR, Mark Bozon and I, preparing for the event actually began much earlier. For instance, I played five or six Wii games including Metroid and Zelda on the Sunday prior to E3 and had to prep write-ups for the event. I haven't bothered to check over how many stories hit our Wii channel during the three-day show, but I can tell you that it's well into the hundreds. So while I'm thrilled with Wii and its games, I'm also overjoyed that the show is over.

Wii was not only the hit of E3 - it was the big hit with IGN's readership, too. IGN Wii consistently had the biggest traffic during the event, undoubtedly thanks to whopping revelations like the Super Smash Bros. Brawl trailer (http://media.revolution.ign.com/media/748/748545/vids_1.html), which shouldn't be missed! It was and is amazing. A couple million - yes, million - unique readers tuned into IGN Wii in as many days to check out our updates and download media. It's normally during our E3 wrap-ups that I take the time to link our biggest stories - and I have in fact included a couple links in my write-up - but this year, I'm going to instead send viewers to our official E3 page. You'll be able to find every story and every piece of media we posted on a single page, which makes the process incredibly convenient. Simply follow the link below and you'll be set.


Wii is already pouring out the numbers...

Drakul
05-14-2006, 02:50 AM
Yeah before this E3 I wasn't even considering Wii and was thinking I'd get the PS3 but I have to say I'm "Wii all the Way" now.

Skippord
05-14-2006, 06:30 AM
I cant buy it without hating myself for going to the counter and asking for wii

Drakul
05-14-2006, 07:54 AM
I cant buy it without hating myself for going to the counter and asking for wii
Then don't say "Wii" , just ask for "the new nintendo console" or "the Revoloution". I'm sure they will know exactly what you mean.

Kalyx triaD
05-14-2006, 08:10 AM
TPWW Smash Bros. WiFi League. It began here...

Dorkchop
05-14-2006, 10:14 PM
I bought the latest Nintendo Power magazine and was surprised and happy to hear that Sega Genesis games will be available for download on it.

Just imagine Sonic spinning on your Wii.

Dorkchop
05-14-2006, 10:16 PM
Maybe they'll include Streets of Rage. Imagine seeing Roo jump up and down on your Wii.

Kalyx triaD
05-14-2006, 10:26 PM
Cloud Strife for Smash Bros. Brawl. You heard it here first.

D Mac
05-14-2006, 11:54 PM
Just saw it for the first time today and that 2 remote controller shit looks fucking stupid. PS3 should blow it out of the water.

Kalyx triaD
05-15-2006, 01:03 AM
Just saw it for the first time today and that 2 remote controller shit looks fucking stupid. PS3 should blow it out of the water.

Nintendo are experts at making devices that look stupid, but when did making cool looking stuff become an objective? The 360's ugly; GRAW on 360 is not.

Did you see how Madden 07's gonna play on Wii? Fuckin-A. And I don't like Madden. Wii's gonna run shit, and everyboy's gonna play it. I'm one of those hardcore gamers, but I honestly miss those days when an entire family sat down to play Duck Hunt because there wasn't nothing like it anywhere outside an arcade. And that was just shooting ducks. Games today don't gather people of a wide spectrum together like that anymore, but Wii's gonna bring that tone back.

In honesty, XBox Live Arcade kicked that off in a sense, but Wii's taking that into a deep company directed focus. And guys like me still have Smash Bros. Brawl, Metroid Prime 3, Madden, Zelda, Resident Evil, and others to get busy on. But I'm glad I'm not buying another system that only gonna be used by me and my age group. In a sense, the Wii is will be more a family appliance than the PS3 and 360 are claiming to be.

I'm sorry if it looks stupid, I'll take it into consideration when I'm playing Smash Bros. Brawl over WiFi with Drakul.

Destor
05-15-2006, 01:06 AM
The Nintendo looked and sounded stupid when it hit the scene (as well as it's tiny controller.) Look at it now.

Kalyx triaD
05-15-2006, 01:17 AM
Nintendo was a card companie when it hit the scene over a century ago.

Destor
05-15-2006, 01:19 AM
I thought they were a toy company.

Kalyx triaD
05-15-2006, 01:20 AM
I thought they were a toy company.

Most likely as well. I'll look it up.

D Mac
05-15-2006, 03:23 AM
The Nintendo looked and sounded stupid when it hit the scene (as well as it's tiny controller.) Look at it now.

Yeah but all the NES had as competition was the Sega Master System.

Wii's got it a lot tougher.

Destor
05-15-2006, 03:30 AM
At the time though America was fed up with video games due to the second Atari. In some ways it was a lot tougher then. There wasn't a market at all, let alone competition.

Kane Knight
05-15-2006, 10:28 AM
LOL. No competition.

Drakul
05-15-2006, 11:33 PM
I'm sorry if it looks stupid, I'll take it into consideration when I'm <s/>playing</s> being crippled at Smash Bros. Brawl over WiFi <s/>with</s> by Drakul.
:shifty:

Another thing though is I really wish Ps3 kept its banana shaped controller. The wireless Ps2 style one looks kinda tacky.:-\
Get a banana, draw buttons on it and hold it like the origonal Ps3 controller. It's really comfy actually and I hope the Wii-mote or whatever it's called is just as comfy.

Kalyx triaD
05-16-2006, 12:11 AM
I accept your challenge, Drake. Justice be done, amen.

Shadow
05-16-2006, 10:51 AM
You two pig fuckers won't stand a chance against me and Pit.

Mark my words...SHADOW SHALL RISE AND FALL UPON YOU! AND THE CRISIS WILL BE AVERTED!

Kane Knight
05-16-2006, 11:03 AM
The crisis came like a wimper.

road doggy dogg
05-16-2006, 04:58 PM
My sister said she was watching G4 and they said the Wii has been priced now??????? Like $149-199???? Any truth to this? I just got home and haven't looked anywhere online to confirm/deny, so I have no idea. That sounds incredibly low, ie awesome.

DS
05-16-2006, 05:30 PM
Nothing yet. There is a rumored priced of $250 though.

Kalyx triaD
05-16-2006, 07:55 PM
You two pig fuckers won't stand a chance against me and Pit.

Mark my words...SHADOW SHALL RISE AND FALL UPON YOU! AND THE CRISIS WILL BE AVERTED!

If I want you eradicated; Link. If I want play about your pitiful attempts at victory; Pikachu. You will soon learn this first hand.

Drakul
05-16-2006, 11:44 PM
I've hear it would be under $200. It sounds like something Nintendo would do and in an interveiw at IGN some Nintendo related woman said it would be a price everyone could afford.

btw Kalyx TriaD, I dunno if I'll have WiFi when I get my Wii but one day when I get WiFi I'll give it a shot.

If the Wii is under $200 then...
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/5606/wiidog2dr7xg.jpg

Kalyx triaD
05-17-2006, 12:05 AM
If Nintendo's gonna deliver on all the sweet talk then WiFi should be an easy online service for most of us.

Kalyx triaD
05-17-2006, 09:38 PM
I was surfin the 'net and it just came to me...

I love Wii, I can't wait to buy that little bastard.

Just thought I'd share that.

Savio
05-17-2006, 10:43 PM
But instead of addressing it, you could pretend you never said it, or that it was part of the second phraseLoopy often does that.

Savio
05-17-2006, 10:46 PM
I'm glad I'm going to college though, I'm sure if I get bored with my Wii (no homo) I'll just play my roomates PS3

:lol: just thought of this "I'm going to play with my friends Wii"

Dorkchop
05-17-2006, 10:53 PM
I'm going to have my girlfiend and her sister over to play with my Wii.

Savio
05-17-2006, 11:04 PM
My Wii is bigger.

Kane Knight
05-17-2006, 11:42 PM
Loopy often does that.

Along with the OMG NOBODY GETS IT BUT ME (As opposed to, we get it, but we don't agree), and many other tricks.

loopydate
05-17-2006, 11:59 PM
My ears are burning.

Oh, wait. Those aren't my ears.

Ow.

Dorkchop
05-18-2006, 12:27 AM
I wanted to see inside so I lit a Q-tip.

King Jericho
05-18-2006, 06:45 AM
Totally can't wait for Wii to come out. Such much awesome and fun stuff coming out. Me and my girlfriend play Zelda together and we're both excited about playing Twilight Princess.

I've said it once and I'll say it a million times more. Nintendo :love: