View Full Version : Bret Hart the greatest
Flair Wooo
05-05-2006, 07:59 PM
He's gotta be the fucking man! Even as a big flair fan Bret Is God compared to flair i can admit this!
McLegend
05-05-2006, 08:02 PM
I thought the question was Bret is the greatest so I answered no.
Flair Wooo
05-05-2006, 08:04 PM
Who is better then?
McLegend
05-05-2006, 08:05 PM
HBK and Austin
Flair Wooo
05-05-2006, 08:06 PM
Fuck hbk omg you're retarded! Fuck you!
McLegend
05-05-2006, 08:08 PM
Give me a good reason why Bret Hart is better then HBK besides the one favorite reason by every hardcore Bret Hart mark.
"Bret is better then HBK, becasue HBK is a dick."
Come on give me a good reason why Bret is better.
ClockShot
05-05-2006, 08:08 PM
Ummmm. I'm gonna say Ric Flair is since his catch phrase is "To be the man, you gotta beat the man." I don't know if Bret did cause my brain doesn't feel like thinking right now. So I voted no.
94 SVT Cobra
05-05-2006, 08:10 PM
Give me a good reason why Bret Hart is better then HBK besides the one favorite reason by every hardcore Bret Hart mark.
"Bret is better then HBK, becasue HBK is a dick."
Come on give me a good reason why Bret is better.
Overall better wrestler IMO, bret hart im talking about. Shawn is great too, but bret was better
94 SVT Cobra
05-05-2006, 08:10 PM
Give me a good reason why Bret Hart is better then HBK besides the one favorite reason by every hardcore Bret Hart mark.
"Bret is better then HBK, becasue HBK is a dick."
Come on give me a good reason why Bret is better.
Overall better wrestler IMO, bret hart im talking about. Shawn is great too, but bret was better
Flair Wooo
05-05-2006, 08:11 PM
Hmm better wrestler bigger draw not a huge dickhead, Doesn't suck dick to keep his job and doesn't deserve a beating unlike that twat hbk!
I would think of better reaqsons but i'm drunk so these will do.
Flair Wooo
05-05-2006, 08:12 PM
doesn't base the rest of his carrear on the screw job like that twat does.
Flair Wooo
05-05-2006, 08:13 PM
Didn't get a good match out of diesal aka kevin nash for you thick cunts! Unlike bret hart
McLegend
05-05-2006, 08:14 PM
Overall better wrestler IMO, bret hart im talking about. Shawn is great too, but bret was better
I can respect that even though I disargee.
It's obviously opinon, but it just annoys me when people say HBK sucks just because he was a dick.
McLegend
05-05-2006, 08:16 PM
Didn't get a good match out of diesal aka kevin nash for you thick cunts! Unlike bret hart
Yeah HBK got 2 good matches out of Diesel. WM 11 and IYH Good friends better enemies.
O snap
Flair Wooo
05-05-2006, 08:18 PM
Omg fuck you, you idiot!
McLegend
05-05-2006, 08:20 PM
Good comeback
Harry Peters
05-05-2006, 08:20 PM
I dont like Bret
Flair Wooo
05-05-2006, 08:21 PM
Good comeback
First thing i thought of too that ridiculous remark.
Dorkchop
05-05-2006, 08:51 PM
Ummmm. I'm gonna say Ric Flair is since his catch phrase is "To be the man, you gotta beat the man." I don't know if Bret did cause my brain doesn't feel like thinking right now. So I voted no.
That would make UUUUUUUMAGA the man and better than Bret.
Thriller
05-05-2006, 09:47 PM
Ummmm. I'm gonna say Ric Flair is since his catch phrase is "To be the man, you gotta beat the man." I don't know if Bret did cause my brain doesn't feel like thinking right now. So I voted no.
H e actually beat Flair for his first wwf world title.
Thriller
05-05-2006, 09:49 PM
Yeah HBK got 2 good matches out of Diesel. WM 11 and IYH Good friends better enemies.
O snap
As big of a fan i am of Harts.I gotta agree with you on this.But it also documented that Nash says his favourite/best match was against Hart
Funky Fly
05-05-2006, 09:56 PM
If this turns into a big fight, I will ban everyone in this thread.
Flair Wooo
05-05-2006, 10:04 PM
fuck you ff! This is my god dam wrestling thread! Go back to casual! :)
fuck you ff! This is my god dam wrestling thread! Go back to casual! :)
That may have been a mistake...
Angle is the greatest of all time in my opinion by the way. He can not only wrestle, but he's the complete package. Talking, brawling, high flying, comedy, seriousness, etc. He can get over as both a heel and a face and can play them both well (bar Cena).
Funky Fly
05-05-2006, 10:09 PM
http://www.boomspeed.com/funky_fly/banhammer2.jpg
Flair Wooo
05-05-2006, 10:10 PM
Omg can you not take a joke?
Funky Fly
05-05-2006, 10:11 PM
No.
NeanderCarl
05-05-2006, 10:17 PM
Hart and HBK are about as equal as any two wrestlers could ever be. Comparing the two is difficult. You have Shawn who in the early/mid 90s was the more spectacular and flashy wrestler, while Bret was perhaps the most realistic and best technical style wrestler in the business. Both came up from similar backgrounds and similar circumstances and both were the first guys to really break the WWF main event as a "smaller" guy.
As an analogy, you could argue over who released the better album last year: for example, Coldplay or Kanye West? Rock/indie fans will tell you Coldplay; hip hop fans will tell you Kanye West. That doesn't make one album better than the other, they just excel in their specific genres. Some people like rock, in which Coldplay are arguably the premier group, and some people like hip hop, in which Kayne West is possibly regarded as the best.
Some people like flashy, aerial wrestling and therefore Shawn was their king. Some people prefer a hard-hitting ground-based style, in which Bret had no peers. There is no right or wrong answer here.
How good a performer somebody is (or even, sticking with the music comparison, how good a band are) is all in the eye (or ear) of the beholder. A song is neither good nor bad in itself. It is the opinion of the listener which assigns a level of quality to the track. That opinion might not neccessarily be matched by the next guy.
That's why when somebodys says to me "Oh, how can you like LImp Bizkit? They suck!" I always say "No, they don't suck. Your opinion is that they suck". Because, philosophically speaking, they are unable to "suck". It is all based on opinion.
Using this theory, it is quite possible for somebody to believe that The Big Show is the greatest wrestler of all-time. If somebody likes big, powerful giants wrestling, then the Big Show probably is the best of the lot. Slow, power wrestling may be their style of choice. In which case they would probably think both Bret AND Shawn were crap.
I'm doing the classic NeanderCarl "what was my point in the first place?" thing again here... what was I getting at??? Anyway, take that as you will. You can argue until you are blue in the face as to who was the greatest of all time, but at the end of the day, you can have your opinion, as can others, but by definition of "opinion" there can never be an OFFICIAL answer. And so the fight will rage on...
Funky Fly
05-05-2006, 10:24 PM
No.
I can, however, make a few uf my own.
*unhammer*
Zen v.W.o.
05-06-2006, 12:06 AM
Bret is the best there is, was and ever will be. Fucking fact!
Bret is great, and he is the greatest. Pillman comes in at a close second, only due to lack of longevity.
Fuck the rest of your opinions.
The One
05-06-2006, 12:18 AM
If this turns into a big fight, I will ban everyone in this thread.
FUCK YOU! YOU WANNA FIGHT BI-OTCH! Bring it on! What? not man enough? Ohhh look at me, I'm all Funky, I have a hammer...lose the hammer and fight me like a man...come on! Bring it!
Crowd: Fight! Fight! Fight!
Gonna let the people down...*insert more dumbass barking noises here*
Bret is the best there is, was and ever will be. Fucking fact!
Bret is great, and he is the greatest. Pillman comes in at a close second, only due to lack of longevity.
Fuck the rest of your opinions.
Right...only your opinion matters. :roll:
Bret Hart is easily one of the best, but I hate Hart-Marks. Trying to argue with them that Bret was anything other then a god is about as futile as trying to tell a Cena mark that John is a wigger wanna be, or getting a Hogan mark to admit that McMahon made Hulkamania.
Funky Fly
05-06-2006, 12:23 AM
Bret was sub-par on the mic. Bret was godly in the ring.
That's all I have to say on the matter.
Jaton
05-06-2006, 01:56 AM
JOHN CENA FTW
Joey Slugs
05-06-2006, 02:13 AM
Bret had little-to-no mic skills but was great in the ring.
HBK has both covered.
I voted "No".
Funky Fly
05-06-2006, 02:44 AM
Shut up Slugsssss. I'd ban u if Spinal Tap wasn't on my iPod right now.
Tpnioght I'm Gonna Rock Ya.
Rammsteinmad
05-06-2006, 05:11 AM
Bret is great, but not the greatest.
HBK is greater, but not the greatest.
Benoit is the greatest.
Rammsteinmad
05-06-2006, 05:21 AM
http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=44002&highlight=Bret+Hart
I think Flair Wooo has made his point by now...
Give me a good reason why Bret Hart is better then HBK besides the one favorite reason by every hardcore Bret Hart mark.
"Bret is better then HBK, becasue HBK is a dick."
Come on give me a good reason why Bret is better.
Bret looked a million times more believable. When you watched him, you could suspend the belief enough that he could beat anyone or anyone could beat him. You didn't have that with Shawn. Shawn is still phenominal though.
s-hole
05-06-2006, 09:40 AM
Bret is the original back-bone 2 which today v call techn wrestling. I think i will have 2 take a second birth in order 2 see him wrestle angle man It would b like seeing ....okay cant compare it 2 anything
Cuzziebro
05-06-2006, 10:16 AM
Even though I voted yes, I don't believe that there is a single greatest wrestler. Everyone has their oppinions on who they like and who they don't. Unless we differentitate every wrestler that has appeared on T.V then we cannot say a certain one wrestler is the best. Bret has great technical skills but no mic skills, and HBK has better mic skills and above average in-ring skills. Its an arguement that could last forever if we wanted it to.
The MAC
05-06-2006, 06:02 PM
i disagree i think bret had great mic skills - he pissed america off with it..and his acting during his in-ring promos where more believable than the crap we see today..remember after WM13 his wicked promo then twisting hbk into a gay prezel on the ring post? Bret could cut a really good promo..well much better than a retard : thhhee...CHAMMMP..ISSSs... HERREEEe!
dear god..cena makes me wanna stab myself as punishment for watching shit like that
Bret had little-to-no mic skills but was great in the ring.
Bret had wicked mic skills. Just because they were different, that doesn't make them bad. Jake Roberts being a classic example. His promos helped build big matches because everything he said sounded like he 100% believed it.
Take a guy like BG James. Good on the mic. Charismatic dude. But his promos are comic. Nothing else at all. That doesn't make him better than a Bret Hart. Doesn't make him worse either.
redoneja
05-06-2006, 08:27 PM
I love Bret, he's my favorite of all time. That being said, I rank him number 2 all time behind Ric Flair.
DaveWadding
05-06-2006, 08:35 PM
The only person who can even come close to comparing to Bret Hart is Ric Flair. (I rank them 1 and 1a.)
No one else can even come close...even though Angle is #3.
jindrak
05-06-2006, 10:09 PM
Who else but Bret Hart could sarcastically put over El Dandy?
Personally, I'd put Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin and Kurt Angle in front of Ric Flair.
Eunos
05-07-2006, 09:51 AM
A little overrated IMHO.
He was a good wrestler but not much of a talker..
I felt in the days of the Hart Foundation he carried the Matches but Neidhart carried the Promos.
Blue Demon
05-07-2006, 09:54 AM
Bret is my favourite wrestler of all time. I don't think it's too much of a stretch when he says that he's the Best there is, Best there was and the best there ever will be
Loose Cannon
05-07-2006, 11:29 AM
A little overrated IMHO.
He was a good wrestler but not much of a talker..
I felt in the days of the Hart Foundation he carried the Matches but Neidhart carried the Promos.
wait, you're basing his mic stuff on his Hart Foundation days. He admitted on the DVD that exact thing you just said. He was so much better after that, especially when he went heel.
Zen v.W.o.
05-07-2006, 05:27 PM
Bret had no mic skills? Shit just watch his work on the mic in 1997 and that proves you wrong. Watch some of his wcw promos and that proves that opinion wrong.
He was not so great in his earlier days but chalk that up to inexperience. Most people arent great right off the bat.
He definitely held his own and was one of the best the wwf had in his day on the mic. He could do 15 minute promos without having to resort to what a guy like HHH does.
The King of Marks
05-08-2006, 03:45 AM
When I first got into wrestling, I was a big Bret Hart mark and my friend was a big HBK mark. Even though I was young, Bret was the only face that I liked. He just seemed cool. All of his matches seemed epic, and when it built up to the Sharpshooter it seemed like the ultimate ending.
Looking back, I think that Bret Hart could've evolved into a more well-rounded performer. His promos weren't very good for years, but really picked up at the tail end of the WWF era and his stay at WCW. Bret's insistence on being a face limited his acting ability, which grew only when he switched to heel. In overall career, I think you have to say that Shawn Michaels is better. But had Bret Hart not been injured and able to wrestle for a few more years, I know that he could've truly gone down as the best there ever was.
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