View Full Version : Edge/Foley match tonight on RAW. *Possible spoilers ahead*
The Heat
05-08-2006, 05:56 PM
With the Edge/Foley hardcore rematch being the main event for tonight's RAW, I'm thinking something big will happen. No doubt, they will try to outperform their WM 22 match and will have a great match. ECW may interfere. However, the biggest rumor currently circulating is this:
*FOLEY HEEL TURN*. Current rumors are saying that WWE pretty much think Foley's current face routine is played out and that a heel turn would help. I, for one, think this is exactly what Foley has been needing. He's been a comical face too long and hasn't played the serious heel since 1998.
I'm also thinking the way Foley will turn is by joining ECW. Cactus Jack in ECW=Greatness!
redoneja
05-08-2006, 06:00 PM
1) Source?
2) Interesting
McLegend
05-08-2006, 06:03 PM
Meltzer did report it today.
redoneja
05-08-2006, 06:07 PM
Here's another spoiler from PWI about Raw that I don't want to waste a new thread on(highlight)
by Dave Scherer (dschererpwi@aol.com) @ 5:56:00 PM on 5/8/2006
I am not sure where it will be used, but I have heard from people at Raw that there is a cage there and it will be used on tonight's show.
McLegend
05-08-2006, 06:08 PM
Cool I guess
Mister Sinister
05-08-2006, 06:18 PM
Okay...First off, what would really be a point of a Foley Heel Turn, He maybe makes 8 Apperances a year in WWE at most...and Turning him heel against, The Second best heel, if not the best one on Raw (All depending on your point of view on HHH/Edge)
Kinda doesn't make sense to me...
And I hardly doubt this match will be, any better then the one at Mania...That match was insanely great in my mind, and well this is a free show and not a ppv, so I don't expect it to be on the same field as there match 2 months ago.
Cactus Sid
05-08-2006, 06:53 PM
Well Foley has apparently pitched a big idea to McMahon about the direction of the his character, so that would suggest a heel turn
Holy shit!
HUGE Spoilers from PWInsider. Highlight.
I just got word from a good source backstage at Raw that Mick Foley's Hardcore match with Edge will turn into a Three Way Dance and will involve Tommy Dreamer. My guess is that it will be the start of the heel turn for Foley that Mike and I talked about on the hotline today.
http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=17919&p=1
Volchok
05-08-2006, 07:12 PM
Why though... that makes no sense...
Volchok
05-08-2006, 07:14 PM
Wait threeway with him in the match, or threeway with another wrestler and he helps Foley?
If Foley joins ECW it'd make complete sense. It will be a fresh character for ECW and Heyman to mold into something even greater than Foley already is.
Volchok
05-08-2006, 07:26 PM
I know it'd make sense.. I just wanna know where TD comes into the picture...
That was actually to your first response, you posted as I was typing...
Volchok
05-08-2006, 07:33 PM
Oh... But still I wanna know where TD falls in all this? It would make zero sense if he was in the match. But who else would fit into the match? DAMN YOU WWE!
Innovator
05-08-2006, 07:35 PM
Spoiler, highlight to read
DREAMER! DREAMER! DREAMER!
Oh... But still I wanna know where TD falls in all this? It would make zero sense if he was in the match. But who else would fit into the match? DAMN YOU WWE!
He's one one the most known non-active ECW workers that the WWE has under contract. And he's most known for ECW.
It's obviously to build up ECW.
Think I said ECW enough in this post? ECW!
Volchok
05-08-2006, 07:41 PM
I'm actully interested for Raw tonight. We have this whole Foley/Edge thing going on with the twists and turns, The aftermath of what's gonna happen to Triple H after walking out of the match last week, The IC fourway match, more DX teases, more ECW teases. Oh boy it'll be a good one...hopefully.
Boondock Saint
05-08-2006, 07:43 PM
Yeah I'm looking forward to it as well. First time in a while. I also don't have to work tonight so I finally get to be home for the first hour.
Volchok
05-08-2006, 07:46 PM
Damn I haven't been this excited for Raw in a damn long time.
Joey Slugs
05-08-2006, 07:54 PM
Highlight to read:
I would imagine that Dreamer gets involved somehow thanks to Styles or Paul E. tonight.
Harry Peters
05-09-2006, 12:34 AM
If you want to know what happend in that Triple Threat its on wwe.com
Corkscrewed
05-09-2006, 03:23 AM
***SPOILERS IN COMMENTS***
Wow, I look forward to the explanation to see what route Foley chose. He might play on that one angle where he turned all anti-hardcore in ECW cuz the fans "didn't appreciate him" or something like that, or maybe he'll say that he was the original innovator of violence, and Dreamer took his credit.
I dunno, but I thought it was pretty interesting. Foley joining ECW would have made the most sense, so we'll see where this goes. Woulda been more dastardly if Dreamer had been on TV for a while, rather than brought in to be swerved.
Dave Youell
05-09-2006, 05:03 AM
Or this could just be for Dreamer Vs Foley at one night stand
Kane Knight
05-09-2006, 09:45 AM
So much for ECW being the "heels."
My guess is that Foley says hardcore wrestling made him a hospital patient, and sports entertainment (remember he used Socko) made him a millionaire. Maybe this sets up Sports Entertainment Mick Foley Vs. The Lord of the Hardcores Terry Funk at One Night Stand.
Kane Knight
05-09-2006, 10:01 AM
Commercial mick foley?
How is that a heel turn though?
Dave Youell
05-09-2006, 10:07 AM
So much for ECW being the "heels."
That did that once already last year, when the roster comes into play they are going to need heels right off the bat or they would be up the creek without a paddle.
With the roster they are going to have there's a few guys who would be the heels:
The FBI
Mike Awesome (if he signs)
Justin Credible
Lance Storm
Foley
Kane Knight
05-09-2006, 10:08 AM
What are you trying to say?
Pepsi Man
05-09-2006, 10:35 AM
What are you trying to say?
I think that he thinks that you were pointing out how someone from ECW is a heel in Mick Foley, as opposed to talking about Tommy Dreamer not being a heel, which is what I thought you were talking about.
loopydate
05-09-2006, 11:08 AM
So much for ECW being the "heels."
That's why I liked the angle. The previous week, Joey Styles' rant on the fans made it look like ECW was going to be the heels. But now we have a sympathetic ECW babyface in Tommy Dreamer, so I guess the fans can will make up their own minds about who's face and who's heel.
And Vince will ignore them and make all of ECW heel, anyway.
The dead crowd response, especially for Dreamer made me uneasy. Hopefully it was just a retarded crowd.
After all, they couldn't figure out how to chant "ECW" instead of "RVD".
Kane Knight
05-09-2006, 01:05 PM
That's why I liked the angle. The previous week, Joey Styles' rant on the fans made it look like ECW was going to be the heels. But now we have a sympathetic ECW babyface in Tommy Dreamer, so I guess the fans can will make up their own minds about who's face and who's heel.
And Vince will ignore them and make all of ECW heel, anyway.
Least Loopy's clued in (And the Pep, who got their first, but specifically the Styles promo last week is what I was on about, and the reaction).
Everyone was assuming ECW was going to be a heel promotion and all, but Foley teaming up with Edge pretty much MAKES him a heel. If there was any doubt in Foley beating on Dreamer, it is dispelled by him kissing Lita's hand (He's no longer allowed to blade in the ring, BTW) and shaking Edge's. The only real question is: Does he remain an effective heel? People love Foley. I can't imagine him getting a lot of heel heat.
Kane Knight
05-09-2006, 01:07 PM
The dead crowd response, especially for Dreamer made me uneasy. Hopefully it was just a retarded crowd.
After all, they couldn't figure out how to chant "ECW" instead of "RVD".
They probably figured he wanted the regular "E-C-Dub" chant.
This was the first time I've been to a RAW in Anaheim and felt old. That crowd was full of Chain Gang kids and Rey Mysterio fans and their parents. I thought I was going to get jumped by a bunch of 9 year olds when I boo'd Cena.
The Foley/Edge beatdown on Tommy Dreamer should have been saved for a show on the East Coast because there was almost no reaction to Dreamer or RVD's request for ECW chants. Honestly, very few of the people in the crowd were watching when ECW was in business and I don't recall it being on TV here in CA.
There was no sympathy for Dreamer and confusion/rip off feeling as to why Foley & Edge worked together.
Biggest Pop
Triple H
Cena
Shawn Michaels
Big Show
Rey Mysterio (on screens)
Most Heat
Vince McMahon
Cena
Sprit Squad
Matt Striker
The kids really like Carlito and Armando Alejandro Estrada's introduction of himself. "Oohs & ahs" for Umaga's offense.
Pretty much anything not involving Triple H & Cena was met with crickets.
Bunch of Vermaats...
It was California, about as West Coast as you get...ECW was East and North-east based. It will be fine in a couple of weeks.
^ ^ I really should have read PWInsider. Oh well, at least it confirmed it.
Kane Knight
05-09-2006, 01:33 PM
" There was no sympathy for Dreamer and confusion/rip off feeling as to why Foley & Edge worked together."
Anyone else NOT surprised?
Team Sheep
05-09-2006, 01:51 PM
The crowd seemed pretty dead all night to be honest. :|
Corkscrewed
05-09-2006, 03:07 PM
Yeah... WWE should think about their show dates before next year's ONS and try to get places where people will care.
Savio
05-09-2006, 04:17 PM
Edge and Foley vs Tommy and Funk
Kane Knight
05-09-2006, 04:45 PM
Yeah... WWE should think about their show dates before next year's ONS and try to get places where people will care.
Let's be honest, this was a needlessly confusing element to throw in, and I don't think Foley as heel works well these days. What kind of reaction were you really expecting
TerranRich
05-09-2006, 11:51 PM
The crowd was pretty much retarded. Vince should really stop marketing to 8 year olds. :nono:
HeartBreakMan2k
05-09-2006, 11:58 PM
Taz and Van Dam were the only guys the fans would have let Foley turn heel on from ECW at this point. Dreamer would have done it in an ECW city, just not anywhere else because no one but ECW fans give a shit about Dreamer.
The Heat
05-10-2006, 01:11 AM
Foley pretty much did as was thought. Heel turn, just opposite of what most people were thinking.
A normal heel turn entails a clearly defined face turning against what is thought to be "right". In this case, they took Tommy Dreamer[the "face" of ECW] and used the team of Foley/Edge to get Foley's "heel turn" over. Surprize. People didn't care about Dreamer getting his ass kicked. Most fans of ECW watched 99% of the time to see that happen anyway, no big deal.
The only logical sense this made[involving Dreamer] was to turn Foley simply off of attacking Dreamer. Didn't seem to work though, as the crowd Monday seemed to cheer Foley anyway.
I'm interested to see how they'll try to get Foley over as a heel in the weeks to come.
tucsonspeed6
05-10-2006, 02:59 PM
Edge and Foley vs Tommy and Chainsaw Charlie
Fixed :y:
Kane Knight
05-10-2006, 03:16 PM
Foley pretty much did as was thought. Heel turn, just opposite of what most people were thinking.
A normal heel turn entails a clearly defined face turning against what is thought to be "right". In this case, they took Tommy Dreamer[the "face" of ECW] and used the team of Foley/Edge to get Foley's "heel turn" over. Surprize. People didn't care about Dreamer getting his ass kicked. Most fans of ECW watched 99% of the time to see that happen anyway, no big deal.
The only logical sense this made[involving Dreamer] was to turn Foley simply off of attacking Dreamer. Didn't seem to work though, as the crowd Monday seemed to cheer Foley anyway.
I'm interested to see how they'll try to get Foley over as a heel in the weeks to come.
People complaining about the crowd aside:
1. It was unexpected. Surprising us in wrestling is often a bad thing. Wrestling is very formulaic, and not only did they do it in a way that was a surprise, but in a way that I found to be very anticlimactic.
2. Yes, anticlimactic. I'm sitting here wondering what the point of all that was. I mean, I know it was to promote ECW and turn someone heel, but what else? Most everything in wrestling has a flow, and while sometimes turns don't make sense, they usually have some sort of flow to them in the process.
3. People want to cheer Foley. This has been the case like, forever.
4. I'm betting the people who CARE about ECW wanted him to side with it.
The King of Marks
05-11-2006, 01:14 AM
First, it was a bad place to do the turn. The arena was full of marks/casual fans and while I usually like them (hence the username), it's a bad place to do a turn that requires a lot of knowledge beforehand.
That aside, I think it could work. If, like some people say, Mick Foley turned on Tommy Dreamer because he's actually FOR sports entertainment (made him rich, extended his career) then that makes him a heel to ECW fans. So when ECW starts, they'll have a natural heel.
Because of his history, it's really hard to get Mick Foley booed by smark fans. However, I agree with the WWE that Foley's face character is stale (whether it's funny Foley or "extreme" Cactus Jack, it's still stale). So the only way to make him a heel is to have Foley side with "sports entertainment."
I think a great way to further the turn (though they probably won't do it), is to book Foley in a match at ONS2. But Foley insists that he's not going to destroy his body for these internet nerds, and refuses to use weapons during the match. He should also pull out a cute Mr. Socko just to mess with the crowd. That way, he doesn't give a crowd any reason to mark out for him, and cements his status as a heel.
tucsonspeed6
05-11-2006, 04:01 PM
1. It was unexpected. Surprising us in wrestling is often a bad thing. Wrestling is very formulaic, and not only did they do it in a way that was a surprise, but in a way that I found to be very anticlimactic.
To add to your first point here, I didn't expect it coming. I must not have been paying too close attention to the news lately because it caught me off guard. That being said, yes, my friends and I were a bit shocked at first. But afterwards we were left a bit empty. My friends just looked at me with this "Explanation, please..." look on their faces, and all I could tell them was, "They must be building up for some kind of ECW feud between these guys."
Edge isn't over enough as a heel to turn Foley just by having Foley side with him. So I went from loving Foley to just not caring any more. It wasn't something that made me think Foley's a dick. Next week, he should cut a nasty promo on the fans. I think that at a minimum should at least make it feel a little more realistic.
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