JBL winning at judgement day is UNACCEPTABLE

[Vermaat]

I hear all these rumors about JBL winning at judgement day and I have to say it is NOT acceptable. JBL was one of the worst WWE champions of all time and he does not deserve to even mentin the WWE champioonship not to mention winning it.

Rey mysterio earned his title with hard work, dedication, connecting to the fans, innovation and respect. His title reign has been disrespect and if it ends with him losing to JBL, it will NOT BE acceptable. Another JBL reign will make the ratings drop because he is the most boring champion I've watched.

I don't see how ANYONE can accept this happening. I understand Rey might have an injured knee and need surgery, but there are other ways to excuse his time away and you can have Rey drop the title to someone like Chris Benoit. Someone equal to him in skill and respect and just as deserving of him of a title run. Not someone lik JBL who was not able to get a decent run in a whole year!!!

If JBL wins at Judgement Day it will be a mistake for the company. The fans don't boo JBL because he is a good heel, they boo him because they want to see his corny ass off T.V. Not in a good way either. JBL has only been able to get heat by being RACIST. Anyone can get heat like that. I thought when JBL lost the title, he would go back to where he belongs, opening matches on sunday night heat against other crappy workers like snitsky and tomko.

JBL does not belong in the main event! He doesnt have what it takes to be a main eventer and shouldn't beat Rey.

[Destor]

JBL needs the W at the Great American Bash.

[Flair Wooo]

Prime example of someone who knows fuck all about wrestling.

[s-hole]

My jolly negatively reputed brother, I am really amazed that you are strong enough to survive with a John cena Avator Hates off mayte...

[Flair Wooo]

You are a idiot!

[The One]

JBL is currently the only good thing on SmackDown, and yes I can say that due to the fact that Benoit is on Velocity more then SmackDown, and Angle is gone.

But why should you care? RAW made it by having Cena go over Hunter at Mania, SmackDown has a terrible case of "Break It" when they put Undertaker over the young rising star of Henry. By your statements, SmackDown is already a lost cause so the out comes of their future matches have little to no effect on anything at this point.

[Gertner]

JBL is the best on the mic on smackdown. He's pretty much the only reason why I watch smackdown at all. This is LONG over-due

[Xero]

Mark Henry would be a MUCH better choice as champion. After all, he got that win over Taker at Mania which prevented the BREAK.

Oh, wait, he lost...

[Destor]

JBL is currently the only good thing on SmackDown, and yes I can say that due to the fact that Benoit is on Velocity more then SmackDown, and Angle is gone.

But why should you care? RAW made it by having Cena go over Hunter at Mania, SmackDown has a terrible case of "Break It" when they put Undertaker over the young rising star of Henry. By your statements, SmackDown is already a lost cause so the out comes of their future matches have little to no effect on anything at this point.?

[Kane Knight]

LOL. One more reason for me to mark out if JBL punks Mysterio.

[Flair Wooo]

Jbl is a GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[McLegend]

I would argee with you about JBL winning if it wasn't for the terrible booking that is Rey's title reign. They should just put it out of it's misery and try again next time.

[McLegend]

Double post

[s-hole]

By the way you should understand the reality that Rey mysterio is not worthy of such a precious title...he is substituting for the late and great Eddie gurrero miss you Eddie (sob). Jbl is one of the most biggest superstar on the roster plus he is the u.s. champ. Hence he deserves every fucking ounce of it.

[Xero]

?
That was one of the MAKE IT OR BREAK IT points Vermaat had for Henry needing to go over Taker at Mania.

[The One]

?

A relfection of past statements by Vermaat about how Henry was a young rising star, trust me when I say most of my post was not the views or opinions of The One.

[Vermaat]

Yes, Henry losing at wrestlemania put Smackdown on a downward slope, but you can still recover from it. I never said u can't, it put it on the wrong path but they can still go on the right path and JBL as champion is not the right path. All of you who are saying that JBL should be champion, did you watch his first title run? Did you? Well if you didn't, it was terrible, boring and the WORST title run I've seen in a long while. JBL can't really wrestle, he is bad in the ring. Why do you think he always fights in gimmick matches? Because it hides the fact that he can't wrestle well.

He shouldn't be champ, especially over a WRESTLER like Rey. And if there's anyone on Smackdown that deserves the title more then JBL it is Benoit. Benoit is MILES ahead of JBL and is not BORING like JBL who has like 2 moves that he uses.

[Gertner]

Benoit is very boring.

[Vermaat]

I never said Henry was a YOUNG rising star.

[Vermaat]

Benoit is very boring.

Benoit boring? Lol thats a rodiculous statement. Benoit may not be the most charismatic guy on the mic, no doubt but he is a whole lot more entertaining then JBL in the ring. Benoit is probably the best wrestler on Smackdown right now. Boring? I don't think so.

[loopydate]

Just out of curiosity, if Rey retains the title, who is there for him to fight?

JBL - UNACCEPTABLE.
Randy Orton - In serious trouble with the company.
Booker T - Talented, but hopelessly buried.
Finlay - Maybe one day, but not a legit threat in most fans' eyes.
Mark Henry - We've already seen this match three times in the last three months.
The Great Khali - No, thank you.

The babyface side of the RAW roster is full of great opponents for JBL to challenge.

Kurt Angle - The most talented performer on the roster.
Batista - Once he returns, which is supposed to be soon.
Chris Benoit - A little boring, yes, but past matches with JBL have been quite good.
Rey Mysterio - Could use the rematch clause.
Undertaker - Can disappear for months, but fans still take him seriously.
Lashley - Has that "Brock Lesnar booked properly" vibe.

A heel champion is simply better for SD right now than a face. And JBL is the most over heel on that roster.

[Xero]

I don't know, a Khali win would bury Rey enough so that he learns never to use his dead friends to take him to the top.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

LOL. One more reason for me to mark out if JBL punks Mysterio.

Totally agreed.


To say that JBL winning is UNACCEPTABLE is just stupid.


You're entitled to your opinion, Vermaat, but I for one would love a champion who's gimmick is not to "beat the odds" and to prove that "the heart conquers all" or some shit like that.

JBL is gold on the mic. Sure, he's not as flamboyant or exciting in the ring as Mysterio, I'll give you that. Far from it. But at least I give a damn when he wrestles, unlike Mysterio's cheap psuedo-pity title reign.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

If JBL wins the title, which is UNACCEPTABLE, by the way, it'll be MAKE IT OR BREAK IT for Smackdown, will it not?

[s-hole]

Verm...whatever
the superior class remembers he never main evented any ppv without HHH exception SummerSlam 2004.

Benoit is not the best on smackdown!
Do you know there is a guy like Batista who man handled benoit on a raw taping back in 2004 when chris was the fucking Champion.

Booker- he has beaten benoit more than any one on the current roster

Undertaker- the ultimate survivor in this era

Mark Henry- young rising star according to you

Kid Kash- don't under estimate the little rodent he is a fucking TNA X DIVISION CHAMP

[Xero]

I want to hear Vermaat's take on an ECW MAKE IT OR BREAK IT rant. That's almost impossible to fuck up since so many things can go wrong.

[Kane Knight]

Yes, Henry losing at wrestlemania put Smackdown on a downward slope, but you can still recover from it. I never said u can't, it put it on the wrong path but they can still go on the right path and JBL as champion is not the right path. All of you who are saying that JBL should be champion, did you watch his first title run? Did you? Well if you didn't, it was terrible, boring and the WORST title run I've seen in a long while. JBL can't really wrestle, he is bad in the ring. Why do you think he always fights in gimmick matches? Because it hides the fact that he can't wrestle well.

He shouldn't be champ, especially over a WRESTLER like Rey. And if there's anyone on Smackdown that deserves the title more then JBL it is Benoit. Benoit is MILES ahead of JBL and is not BORING like JBL who has like 2 moves that he uses.

So number of moves equals boring? JBL has about the same number of moves as the Rock in his prime. Or Austin in his prime. Are you calling two of the biggest wrestlers in recent history boring?

(For the mentally challenged, this is a rhetorical question. Of course you're not. However, you're using "evidence" that works against big, popular, important names. Also, against that little wigger you're crushing on...)

[UmbrellaCorporation]

So number of moves equals boring? JBL has about the same number of moves as the Rock in his prime. Or Austin in his prime. Are you calling two of the biggest wrestlers in recent history boring?

(For the mentally challenged, this is a rhetorical question. Of course you're not. However, you're using "evidence" that works against big, popular, important names. Also, against that little wigger you're crushing on...)

I'm ashamed to say, you lost me at the word rhetorical. :'(

[Kane Knight]

Kid Kash- don't under estimate the little rodent he is a fucking Xdivsion Champ

Him and 327 other peopler. for Fuck's sake, anyone remember when Shadow showed up at the Impact Zone, walked out of the crowd, and took it off Styles?

[Xero]

How many moves does Rey CURRENTLY have?

619/Senton
Front drop kick

Uh....

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Rey mysterio earned his title with hard work, dedication, connecting to the fans, innovation and <s>respect</s> the ability to exploit his best friends death

[s-hole]

Rey moves list:

1. 619 /Sunset Flip
2. talking in english
3. keeping his boiling state of mind when the fans are chanting eddie eddie

Rey maybe thinking stop you people he's dead chant rey or die you fucking morons

[UmbrellaCorporation]

How many moves does Rey CURRENTLY have?

619/Senton
Front drop kick

Uh....


Does jumping up from the entrance count, or does he still do that anymore? I haven't noticed. :P

[The One]

HeartBreakKid2K, if your going to correct quotes, do it right...

Rey mysterio earned his title with <s>hard work, dedication, connecting to the fans, innovation and respect</s> the ability to exploit his best friends death

[Xero]

The One, if you're going to correct corrections, do it right...

Rey mysterio <s>earned</s> acquired his title with <s>hard work, dedication, connecting to the fans, innovation and respect</s> the ability to exploit his best friends death

[s-hole]

hats off to the Great ONE you are near to be in the royal superior class

[The One]

Damn it, can someone translate what S-Hole just wrote, I left my Idiot to English dictionary at home.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

He's using the Babelfish translator. He has to be. No human could write something that incoherent.

[Kane Knight]

Damn it, can someone translate what S-Hole just wrote, I left my Idiot to English dictionary at home.

the hats far away al Great that you are to be near in the real upper class

[s-hole]

yuo fcukign ppoele aer s holes

I think you guys can understand this if not....

I guess you have no chance to progress to the superior class bloody *********

[UmbrellaCorporation]

yuo fcukign ppoele aer s holes


....:|


What the FUCK does that say?


And if you, by some small chance, happen to be Heyman, I love you. Otherwise....:|

[Xero]

yuo fcukign ppoele aer s holes
If I'm right, you're substituting "s hole" for "asshole". Meaning that I'm right when I say your name is "asshole".

Boy, either I'm really smart or you're really dumb.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

HeartBreakKid2K, if your going to correct quotes, do it right...

I tried to give him at least some credit on the basis of his Mexico, ECW, and WCW tenures :o

[HeartBreakMan2k]

If I'm right, you're substituting "s hole" for "asshole". Meaning that I'm right when I say your name is "asshole".

Boy, either I'm really smart or you're really dumb.

Probably more of the latter ;)

[Kane Knight]

pits of s of aer of ppoele of fcukign of yuo

I think that you types can understand this if not. ..

I guess that you do not have fortuitous progress to the upper class stains of blood *********

[The One]

Does anyone remember a time when annoying twats didn't pop up all the damn time.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Not really, I remember Pentdragon showed up every month.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

No, that never happened.

It's just been...more frequent as of late. :D

[The One]

KK, it's bad enough when he is doing it, we don't need to be doing it too. That's like trying to calm a screaming child by screaming louder.

[Xero]

Does anyone remember a time when annoying twats didn't pop up all the damn time.
I remember a time when retards like him were banned.

:(

[UmbrellaCorporation]

lol, Pentdragon.


Even when I lurked here (for about two years), but didn't post, I remember that guy. Terrible.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Yeah, back in the day we just had persistant twats instead of sudden rushes of twats.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

lol, Pentdragon.


Even when I lurked here (for about two years), but didn't post, I remember that guy. Terrible.

I kinda miss Pentdragon and his showing up week after week even though he was supposedly perma-banned. And I kinda miss SC_vs_HHH or something like that. She/he had that annoying mouse humping a mouse gif for a sig.

[Kane Knight]

KK, it's bad enough when he is doing it, we don't need to be doing it too. That's like trying to calm a screaming child by screaming louder.

I was merely trying to translate for him

Is it bad that Engrish works better?

[Crippla]

Benoit is very boring.

.....I have to disagree

[UmbrellaCorporation]

http://engrish.com/image/engrish/victoly.jpg

[Goulet]

JBL can't really wrestle, he is bad in the ring. Why do you think he always fights in gimmick matches? Because it hides the fact that he can't wrestle well.

He shouldn't be champ, especially over a WRESTLER like Rey. And if there's anyone on Smackdown that deserves the title more then JBL it is Benoit. Benoit is MILES ahead of JBL and is not BORING like JBL who has like 2 moves that he uses.

You have JOHN FUCKING CENA in your avatar. What the hell do you know about what a good wrestler is... JBL isn't the greatest but he is certainly better than Cena. Oh and BTW Rey has no business being anywhere near that title. And wouldn't be there had Eddie not passed

[Extreme Angle]

JBL is a fucking god you dweeb!

[St. Jimmy]

JBL winning the title from Rey Mysterio is what happens when you're at a lack of Credable main-eventers. You're left with JBL, someone talented on the mic (and politics backstage) to win the title. The match won't even be good, and Rey definatly won't look credable, but you're missing the point.

ANYONE is better than Rey..... ANYONE.

[Shadow]

Him and 327 other peopler. for Fuck's sake, anyone remember when Shadow showed up at the Impact Zone, walked out of the crowd, and took it off Styles?

Greatest night of my life....I think I sold the thing for some pot though.

[loopydate]

Which explains Jeff Hardy's X Title reign.

[Shadow]

Well well well...seems that Vermaat is back. Welp...you know what time it is!

Mr. Vermaat, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[Blitz]

Good God.

10+ pages, here we come.

[Schoenauer]

I hear all these rumors about JBL winning at judgement day and I have to say it is NOT acceptable. JBL was one of the worst WWE champions of all time and he does not deserve to even mentin the WWE champioonship not to mention winning it.

Rey mysterio earned his title with hard work, dedication, connecting to the fans, innovation and respect. His title reign has been disrespect and if it ends with him losing to JBL, it will NOT BE acceptable. Another JBL reign will make the ratings drop because he is the most boring champion I've watched.

I don't see how ANYONE can accept this happening. I understand Rey might have an injured knee and need surgery, but there are other ways to excuse his time away and you can have Rey drop the title to someone like Chris Benoit. Someone equal to him in skill and respect and just as deserving of him of a title run. Not someone lik JBL who was not able to get a decent run in a whole year!!!

If JBL wins at Judgement Day it will be a mistake for the company. The fans don't boo JBL because he is a good heel, they boo him because they want to see his corny ass off T.V. Not in a good way either. JBL has only been able to get heat by being RACIST. Anyone can get heat like that. I thought when JBL lost the title, he would go back to where he belongs, opening matches on sunday night heat against other crappy workers like snitsky and tomko.

JBL does not belong in the main event! He doesnt have what it takes to be a main eventer and shouldn't beat Rey.

I have a difference of opinion Vermult.

I hear all these rumors about JBL winning at Judgement Day, and I have to say it NEEDS to be done. JBL was one of the most entertaining WWE champions of all time, and he deserves to maintain the WWE championship, not to mention winning it.

Rey Mysterio acquired his title by exploiting his friend's death. His title reign has been disrespectful, and if it ends with him losing to JBL it will be a miracle. Another JBL reign will make the ratings increase because he is the most entertaining champion I've watched.

I don't see how anyone can't accept this happening. I understand Rey might have an injured knee and need surgery, but there aren't other ways to excuse his time away and you can have Rey drop the title to someone like Chris Benoit. Someone far superior to him in skill and respect and just as deserving as him of a title run. Definitely someone like JBL who was able to get a classic run in a whole year!!!

If JBL wins at Judgement Day it will put the company on the map. The fans boo JBL not only because he is a godly heel, but because they want to see his promos on TV, and in a good way. JBL has been able to get heat by being a rich bastard. Nobody can get heat like that. I thought when JBL lost the title, he would go back to where he belongs, continuing to main event matches.

JBL belongs in the main event! He has what it takes to be a main eventer and for the love of god needs to beat Rey.

In short Vermin... :foc: :foc: :foc:

[Skippord]

Oh God I agree with Vermaat

[The One]

Skippy you think JBL would be an unacceptable champion?

[Skippord]

I would accept it I wouldnt be happy at all and I would be praying for Kane to take it off him

[Skippord]

Just out of curiosity, if Rey retains the title, who is there for him to fight?

JBL - UNACCEPTABLE.
Randy Orton - In serious trouble with the company.
Booker T - Talented, but hopelessly buried.
Finlay - Maybe one day, but not a legit threat in most fans' eyes.
Mark Henry - We've already seen this match three times in the last three months.
The Great Khali - No, thank you.

The babyface side of the RAW roster is full of great opponents for JBL to challenge.

Kurt Angle - The most talented performer on the roster.
Batista - Once he returns, which is supposed to be soon.
Chris Benoit - A little boring, yes, but past matches with JBL have been quite good.
Rey Mysterio - Could use the rematch clause.
Undertaker - Can disappear for months, but fans still take him seriously.
Lashley - Has that "Brock Lesnar booked properly" vibe.

A heel champion is simply better for SD right now than a face. And JBL is the most over heel on that roster.

KANE

[The One]

I believe Kane was a one time showing due to it being May 19th. JBL is an incredibly credible heel, one of the best mic workers, and I believe a better draw for SmackDown and their PPVs. He is more credible, and holds a certain level of respect, and while we are on the subject, JBL got himself over, Rey's friend died, that idea is wearing off quickly...almost as quickly as the legacy of Eddie Guerrero disappears.

[loopydate]

Well, there you go. Either way, it needs to go onto a heel. Kane's as good - if not better, with his See No Evil momentum - a choice as JBL.

[The One]

Kane still gets cheered, that makes him a heel, but not a very good one. Not that it's his fault, he has tons of momentum and was shown as a face for months before this (IMO) useless heel turn.

[St. Jimmy]

More Credable:
http://www.progressiveboink.com/b/images/god/gode6.jpg

Less Credable:
http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/06/jerichorey.jpg

by the by, i still miss jericho.

[Xero]

More Credable:
http://www.progressiveboink.com/b/images/god/gode6.jpg

Less Credable:
http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/06/jerichorey.jpg

by the by, i still miss jericho.
I agree, nothing is more credible than Mysterio.

And when I say "nothing", I mean everything.

[Innovator]

They need to hold off on JBL winning for at least one month. If Rey loses now, he's done. He's lost twice to two talentless hosses in Henry and Khali and is getting his ass handed to him by Kane (spoilers for Smackdown). Hell just have JBL take him lightly, then Rey pulls off the upset. Just one defense can give Rey come credibility back. I mean his title run has been botched ever since the Triple Threat match at Mania when Angle ran train over him and Orton.

[Innovator]

And no I'm not agreeing with Vermaat, because JBL = Money

[RVDmark]

He's using the Babelfish translator. He has to be. No human could write something that incoherent.

The Babelfish is Infallable unlike my spelling.

[Pinnacle Charisma]

I cannot be bothered in pointing out all the crap In Vermaats post but I have to say I did mark out when I found another thread made by him.

And post no.3 by Flair Wooo is his greatest post ever by a fair margin.

[Ben Rodrigues]

I would love to see a "Who's the greatest pure wrestler of all time" topic - with Vermaat taking the side of Cena and Zeeboo taking the side of Hogan. You guys remember Zeeboo? Haven't seen that guy post in ages. Banned?

[mike627]

I have a strict policy about responding to any poster who has Cena as a icon,
but I must say that as much as I hate to admit JBL is a good choice as the world champion unti Batista and Angle comes back and besides does it really matter just who is champion? SD will be shown online anyways.

[crash99]

I'm a huge Rey Mysterio mark, even though I know thats an unpopular opinion right now. I'm thrilled that he became champion, but the way he has been booked since being champ, like being squashed week after week, and always seeming to be an after thought on Smackdown, he should probably drop the title. I like JBL, and I enjoyed his run as champion in 2004, so he definetely is a good choice. If JBL loses the way Rey has been jobbed out the last few weeks, it'll look terrible that JBL couldn't beat Mysterio. However, no matter what the outcome, I think the match will be better than people think. I think it can be a pretty entertaining big v. little man matchup. Both are entertaining, and I think the match can surprise people, and end up being real good.

[redoneja]

Mysterio wouldn't be that bad a champion if he was booked properly and wasn't squashed week in and week out.

[Destor]

Mysterio wouldn't be that bad a champion if he was booked properly and wasn't squashed week in and week out.I think the fact he is getting squashed is the only thing that is making this believable.

[McLegend]

It's also like the worst booking ever. Regardless of believability

[Kane Knight]

Mysterio wouldn't be that bad a champion if he was booked properly and wasn't squashed week in and week out.

Like I said in another thread, this was a stillborn championship. Rey Rey was booked to fail well before he was ever squashed.

[The One]

Actually Vince in a genius. Rey had all the emotion support, momentum, and fans on his side (regardless of how he got it) before he won the Title, now that he won everyone is tired of him...Vince took the world most famous Cruiserweight, gave him a run at the top, then he flopped. Vince NEVER has to give a Cruiserweight "The Big One" ever again.

[McLegend]

Actually Vince in a genius. Rey had all the emotion support, momentum, and fans on his side (regardless of how he got it) before he won the Title, now that he won everyone is tired of him...Vince took the world most famous Cruiserweight, gave him a run at the top, then he flopped. Vince NEVER has to give a Cruiserweight "The Big One" ever again.
No, Rey has like won 4 matches in the past 5 months. Rey has not flopped terrible booking is what has made him flop.

[The One]

Chris Jericho was playing second fiddle to Hunter, Stephanie, and THEIR DOG when he was Champion, not to mention The Rock/Hogan match was far mroe advertised for WrestleMania, yet he was blamed for the poor buyrates. I'm not saying it's his fault people are tired of him already, I am saying his reign is a flop, and in McMahon's mind that's no matter what the reason it is reason enough to never book a little guy to win a World Title ever again.

[Kane Knight]

Actually Vince in a genius. Rey had all the emotion support, momentum, and fans on his side (regardless of how he got it) before he won the Title, now that he won everyone is tired of him...Vince took the world most famous Cruiserweight, gave him a run at the top, then he flopped. Vince NEVER has to give a Cruiserweight "The Big One" ever again.

Wait...So overshadowing his win at the Rumble with another Taker challenge is good support for the "emotional" moment?

The fact that they didn't even plan on him being in the Main Event?

Yeah. Makes perfect sense. It was GENIUS!

[McLegend]

Chris Jericho was playing second fiddle to Hunter, Stephanie, and THEIR DOG when he was Champion, not to mention The Rock/Hogan match was far mroe advertised for WrestleMania, yet he was blamed for the poor buyrates. I'm not saying it's his fault people are tired of him already, I am saying his reign is a flop, and in McMahon's mind that's no matter what the reason it is reason enough to never book a little guy to win a World Title ever again.
Dude I would rather play 2nd fiddle to HHH, Step, and their dog on Raw then Job to every wrestler on SD.

But yes Vince probably will justify that way.

[Kane Knight]

No, Rey has like won 4 matches in the past 5 months. Rey has not flopped terrible booking is what has made him flop.


That's what they WANT YOU TO THINK! It's GENIUS!

[The One]

I'm sorry, are you trying to twist my words around? Vince McMahon being "a genuis" was a joke based around the fact that he has never much enjoyed the work of little guys, and now he has a reason to never make one Champ again. You know that was my point, so don't be an ass and try to twist my words around to make me sound like a fucking retard. I know how he was booked, I was there for all of it. Did I say they booked Rey well? I said he had emotional and fan support...I supose my use of the word momentum was a mistake, I meant it in the sense of he was riding the momentum created by Rey Mysterio being the stand in for the recently deceased Eddie Guerrero. You know that was my point, so don't go playing this twist my shit to make my look bad.

[Kane Knight]

Your little diatribes do more to make you look like a retard than I could ever do.

GENIUS!!!!

[The One]

Whatever. If I came across as bitter, I didn't feel it. I was saying you were being an ass for twisting my words around, I stand by that. End of story.

[Dorkchop]

I'm still somewhat like Rey, just not right now. I haven't enjoyed him too much in the past year. He's a lot better wrestling with the cruisers, overshadowing the heavyweights' matches like he did in WCW. The only reason he has the belt is because Eddie passed away. I've lost a lot of fucking respect for Rey for milking his friend's death for a main event push.

I'd actually rather have JBL as the champ and hold the belt for a few months. Not a lot. He can talk a lot of shit, defend himself in the ring, and win. It'd be great to actually have people fight him to defend thier honour. It'd make a great title win for whoever beats JBL for the belt. Someone like Booker T would be perfect. JBL could say how Booker came close to winning the title once, and lost... and hasn't achieved anything since and all the sweet promos he'd cut.

...... But Booker is a heel right now, and I'd prefer him to stay that way. He's a lot better as a heel. I love when he had the "I'm not stupid" angle for a few months.

[happylad]

JBL is the best heel on the smackdown roster at the moment
Rey is a joke of a midget who has lost 3 times in his last 3 matches



:shifty:




looks like Reys walking out of Judgement Day with the gold then. JBL wont win at Judgement Day im almost certain Rey has been crushed as some sort of stupid attempt to make him retaining the title another miracle. McMahon doesnt care about the credibility of the title. He just wants to run his Rey miracle man angle

[Rammsteinmad]

What's with all the Benoit bashing in this thread. :(

Anyway, JBL is awesome! His Title run was great in my opinion, but if he wins the title he should have his cabinet back. The "Cowardly heel champ" thing works better if he has people helping him.

[Rammsteinmad]

Okay... I just realised this thread has three pages... and there were only one or two Benoit comments. Never mind.

[Volare]

Smackdown dosen't have the support needed to run efficently.

Every new talent Smackdown! seems to bring in...disappears in a month or two.

Therefore, Smackdown! sucks ass when it comes to talent we can depend on (exception of Lashley, and MNM)


(Shoot Time)
And Vermatt be serious, Glue you lips to your butt so you can prove that you do suck ass :p

[Kane Knight]

Whatever. If I came across as bitter, I didn't feel it. I was saying you were being an ass for twisting my words around, I stand by that. End of story.

And you're still retarded. Ah, the beauty of watching people bitch on the internet. GENIUS!

[owenbrown]

After reading this thread so far, I am now officially on the JBL for WORLD CHAMP bandwagon. :y:

[Schoenauer]

Judgement Day is officially MAKE IT OR BREAK IT for WWE.

[Rammsteinmad]

Lol. What am I missing?

What's with all these "make it or break it" comments people keep saying?

[Disturbed316]

It's UNACCEPTABLE to ask about the MAKE IT OR BREAK IT comments Rammi.

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

I want to know how Vermaat doesn't fall down more....

[Kane Knight]

Lol. What am I missing?

What's with all these "make it or break it" comments people keep saying?

I was gonna tell him, but now I don't want to be a BAD APPLE.

[Vermaat]

Just out of curiosity, if Rey retains the title, who is there for him to fight?


Chris Benoit. You do get that wrestlers can be turned. Benoit can be an amazing heel.

Smackdown also has a returning Ken Kennedy who too is an amazing heel contender.

Booker T. This guy is ON FIRE!

Don't forget the possibility of trades! Kane is on Raw with nothing to do!

Totally agreed.


To say that JBL winning is UNACCEPTABLE is just stupid.


You're entitled to your opinion, Vermaat, but I for one would love a champion who's gimmick is not to "beat the odds" and to prove that "the heart conquers all" or some shit like that.


JBL was one of the worst champions of all time. His reign was terrible and boring. JBL has a worse gimmick than Mysterio, his gimmick is "I can't ever cleanly beat anyone because I suck so much so I annoy you with racism and saying how sucesful I am". That gimmick is 10x worse than Mysterio.

And all of you saying Rey doesn't deserve to win the title, well, I don't know about you, but I've been waching wrestling for a while and rey is unique and he has always done hard work. He has jobbed to guys like Big Show and everyone else.

Rey was OVER before the Eddie association. Rey was one of the most over people on Smackdown. He deserves it! He has deserved it for YEARS!

I understand you people are jealous but there is no logical reason to say that Rey does not deserve the title.

You have JOHN FUCKING CENA in your avatar. What the hell do you know about what a good wrestler is... JBL isn't the greatest but he is certainly better than Cena. Oh and BTW Rey has no business being anywhere near that title. And wouldn't be there had Eddie not passed

John Cena is an extremely talented wrestler and he showed it since his first match with Kurt Angle.

Right now, he hasn't wrestled quite the same style but that's because he is playing a TRADITIONAL babyface and is using moves that get crowd reactions

JBL is a terrible wrestler. He hasn't shown anything good. He is only good for hardcore wrestling they should move it to ECW.

JBL winning the title from Rey Mysterio is what happens when you're at a lack of Credable main-eventers. You're left with JBL, someone talented on the mic (and politics backstage) to win the title. The match won't even be good, and Rey definatly won't look credable, but you're missing the point.


JBL has NO credibility. He hasn't won a match without cheating in a while. He lost the match to the boogeyman. He has absolutly no credibility.

Rey can have a great series of matches with Benoit.

Mr. Vermaat, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Comments like this show one thing. You can't argue the points I am making so you have to resort to trying to be funny to hide your INABILITY to argue!

Same goes for the "make it or break it" comments.

I cannot see how a person can claim to be a wrestling fan and say that JBL deserves the title over REY MYSTERIO.

Not only is it unacceptable, it is also incomprehensible to anyone with a sane mind!

[crash99]

I cannot see how a person can claim to be a wrestling fan and say that JBL deserves the title over REY MYSTERIO.

Not only is it unacceptable, it is also incomprehensible to anyone with a sane mind!

Color us all insane then.

[Kalyx triaD]

I did miss the Vermaat Replies. You're my hero, dude.

[Flair Wooo]

I cannot see how a person can claim to be a wrestling fan and say that JBL deserves the title over REY MYSTERIO.

Not only is it unacceptable, it is also incomprehensible to anyone with a sane mind!

Jesus fucking christ..You seriously need some help. What's wrong? Is the cena space down so you have to come here and torture us all with your stupidity!

[Flair Wooo]

woooooooooooooo!

[Vermaat]

Jesus fucking christ..You seriously need some help. What's wrong? Is the cena space down so you have to come here and torture us all with your stupidity!

Funny, you're the one throwing out personal insults. Why? Unable to adress my points? I think so, because it is a valid point.

What's next? Oh let me guess "Vermaat U R DUMB MAKE BREAK LOL GUYZ"

How about instead of this DRIVEL you try and address the point at hand!

[Arnold HamNegger]

And all of you saying Rey doesn't deserve to win the title, well, I don't know about you, but I've been waching wrestling for a while and rey is unique and he has always done hard work. He has jobbed to guys like Big Show and everyone else.


:rofl:

Vince: "Rey, you're gonna lose to Big Show tonight."

Rey: "What!?!? There's no way that anyone will buy me jobbing to Big Show! It's just unbelievable and will ruin my credibility. You might as well tarnish my career by having me milk the death of a dear friend."

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

Right now, he hasn't wrestled quite the same style but that's because he is playing a TRADITIONAL babyface and is using moves that get crowd reactions

There are no words or sarcastic remarks that can possibly do this sentance justice....

[Arnold HamNegger]

Well, I've only watched Smackdown once since Rey has been champ...which is a shame, because I had gotten to the point of Smackdown being entertaining with the help of an 18 pack. But this Rey title reign sucks more than a fluffer at a gangbang.

I'd take JBL over Rey. He should be able to milk the "Illegal Immigrant" angle for some cheap heat as champ for a while until Batista comes back. If I had my choice though, I'd let Booker T win it....but then WWE would have to scrap the 5X merchandise...so that'll never happen.

Of course, I'm all for having Mark Henry win the belt ONLY if the end result is Batista coming back to kill him and get him off my TV forever.

If Kane wins the belt, I'm terrified at the regurgitated Undertaker fued we'd be forced to choke on. Although, as sad as it sounds, with the state of affairs on Smackdown....that might not be that bad.

[Kane Knight]

LOL. Rey is unique.

[Schoenauer]

Vermaat. This guy is ON FIRE!

[Kane Knight]

Well, he is innovative. Using arguments no-one's been stupid enough to use before.

[Corkscrewed]

Oh man, I love it when Vermaat shows up every now again to piss on himself. Using the same old technique of accusing the other person of being jealous and assertive, and then stating his opinion as though it's fact. :rofl:

I could say that JBL is really a tremendous athlete (he's huge!!!) but is hasn't wrestled well because it's his CHARACTER because he's playing a RICH STOCK BROKER GUY. I mean, you never see stock brokers wrestle! That's why he's had bad matches!!


Interesting thing is that he's right... JBL was a very uncredible champ... until about the 9 month period when he won that fatal fourway. Problem is that Rey's in the same position where he's totally uncredible because he's been booked horribly. However, Vermatty here is saying Rey's condition is totally different, when it's really the same.

Basically, SD went to the crappers when Eddie died. Honestly. It started a chain reaction. I believe that Eddie really was meant to be the next champ, and when he passed on, AND Batista got hurt by that rising star Mark Henry, they had to bring Angle in, which is basically like plugging a leak with Play Dough. Angle's awesome, but he really does need to rest his broken-down body. Albeit Angle broken down still outwrestles 99% of the roster, but still.

So yeah, just a bad place to be in, and definitely not helped by how Vince has buried Rey.

[Shadow]

Comments like this show one thing. You can't argue the points I am making so you have to resort to trying to be funny to hide your INABILITY to argue!

Same goes for the "make it or break it" comments.

I cannot see how a person can claim to be a wrestling fan and say that JBL deserves the title over REY MYSTERIO.

Not only is it unacceptable, it is also incomprehensible to anyone with a sane mind!

Well no wonder you can't figure it out. YOU'RE NOT SANE!

Ok, you are. You're just a fucking idiot.

Let me spell it out to you boyo. My catchphrase? It's to prove how stupid you sound to everyone else here. And hey, you managed to prove my point again. Whenever you post, no one knows what the hell your talking about nor do you have an inkling what you're trying to talk about. So really, please, try to think you have the ability to debate. Then I'll bring up the fact that unless someone agrees with you, you don't care what they have to say.

And now I point to my signiture again.

[Kane Knight]

It's funny how Vermaat ignores all reason, and then when people give up, it's because THEYRE INCAPABLE OF ARGUING!!!!

[Shadow]

What's there to argue!? His points are utter shit, his arguments are utter shit, he's utter shit. What the fuck is there to argument against?

[Hired Hitman]

"Chris Benoit. Someone equal to him in skill and respect"

:$

[Kane Knight]

What's there to argue!? His points are utter shit, his arguments are utter shit, he's utter shit. What the fuck is there to argument against?

That's the thing. He makes an irrefutable point by ignoring all reality.

[The One]

John Cena is the Champ. When he walks into the room he says "The Champ is here", so clearly he holds the most important title in the wrestling world. God how much more reason do you people need to know that someone is good. :roll:

[Corkscrewed]

Vermaat is the one person who could somehow manage to turn this entire board against Benoit, Angle, Bret Hart, Classy Freddie Blassy, Gorilla Monsoon, and Lou Thesz himself if he wanted to.

Seriously. Just by arguing for them.

[Destor]

Oh man, I love it when Vermaat shows up every now again to piss on himself. Using the same old technique of accusing the other person of being jealous and assertive, and then stating his opinion as though it's fact. :rofl:Did anyone else think of Kane Knight when they read this?

[The One]

LMAO!

[darkpower]

Funny, you're the one throwing out personal insults. Why? Unable to adress my points? I think so, because it is a valid point.

What's next? Oh let me guess "Vermaat U R DUMB MAKE BREAK LOL GUYZ"

How about instead of this DRIVEL you try and address the point at hand!

Um...we have FOUR GODDAMN PAGES OF US BRINGING THAT POINT UP, YOU BLIND FUCK!!

And just so you know, I do like Rey, but I wish the WWE would not fuck up 3/4ths of every goddamn thing that is GOOD on their shows. It's like that fear good ratings or something. I would like to see them try again in the future, though. Everything was totally wrong with this from the beginning, though (and I'm still a supporter of Rey having the title because of all the work he has put into the craft. Well, that and the news I was reading earlier this week about him being a PERFECT champion backstage with not politicing or him letting his champ status get to his head).

But Rey dropping the title at JD does bring up an interesting point: Weren't they planning to have RVD cash in the MITB at the ECW ONS for Rey's title (since they both were in ECW), and wasn't that supposed to be final (or was that something else)?

If so...then what the hell is going to happen with THAT plan once JBL wins the WHC? Has WWE Logic struck again?

[Impact!]

Um it's always been planned as RVD V Cena or HHH

[The Heat]

Ah, that's what I love about the internet. People are just so willing to except one another's opinions :roll: .

While Vermaat hasn't defended his points with fact, he has voiced his OPINION. Most people here are so willing to freaking argue that they won't ignore what is being said, hence the reason this has almost 5 pages. Geez! Everyone here seemingly takes their own OPINION[there's that word again] so seriously that they totally refuse to believe someone else could believe different than themselves. Ridiculous! You'd think the entire board was full of 3-year olds. He did it! No, he did! Get over yourselves already.

As for the topic, it wouldn't matter if JBL wins or not. Mysterio is gonna be out later for knee surgery, Batista is returning soon, and Angle will be back shortly. JBL's World title reign wouldn't last.

Did I see someone say JBL was better than Cena? :rofl: :rofl: . While Cena needs improvement in the ring, at least he does actual wrestling moves[i.e. suplex, fisherman's suplex, crossbody off the top, etc].

People are acting as if JBL is a technical wrestler and that's clearly NOT true. His in-ring ability sucks and his only saving grace is that he's a good heel who can work the mic. Other than that, I see no reason why he should win the belt. Mysterio should retain and then feud with Taker or something. I'd much rather see "the Deadman" win the World title and then move on to feud with Kane than to see JBL as champion again.

Bottom line: people here take their opinions WAY too seriously. If someone like Vermaat says something idiotic that you don't like, ignore it. There's no reason to have a 5-page topic that's basically beating a dead horse.

[Impact!]

Um, not once has anyone here said that JBL is anything better than a mediocre wrestler.

[Volare]

that's a waste of typing time, I'd rather type about people making stupid points

[KillerWolf]

Varmint. Lean forward.

Now BAN Yourself!!!

[Kane Knight]

Did anyone else think of Kane Knight when they read this?

Nice trye. Back to the sandbox for you.

[Vermaat]

Um...we have FOUR GODDAMN PAGES OF US BRINGING THAT POINT UP, YOU BLIND FUCK!!

And just so you know, I do like Rey, but I wish the WWE would not fuck up 3/4ths of every goddamn thing that is GOOD on their shows. It's like that fear good ratings or something. I would like to see them try again in the future, though. Everything was totally wrong with this from the beginning, though (and I'm still a supporter of Rey having the title because of all the work he has put into the craft. Well, that and the news I was reading earlier this week about him being a PERFECT champion backstage with not politicing or him letting his champ status get to his head).

But Rey dropping the title at JD does bring up an interesting point: Weren't they planning to have RVD cash in the MITB at the ECW ONS for Rey's title (since they both were in ECW), and wasn't that supposed to be final (or was that something else)?

If so...then what the hell is going to happen with THAT plan once JBL wins the WHC? Has WWE Logic struck again?

More like ONE page of people presenting actual arguments and three pages of personal insults. No one has yet to refute the facts that I had given as to why JBL is a poor choice for champion. It's because you know you can't refute the facts. JBL is not a good choice for champion. Booker or Benoit are much better choices. IRREFUTABLE!

Yes, WWE made a mistake with the way they pushed Rey so far but they can fix it by having him go over clean on Judgement Day.

[Volare]

JBL win clean?? Yeah, that's like Kahli having a great technical masterpiece against the Big Show...AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN

[Vermaat]

Rey going over clean.

[Volare]

Tell me how that will keep JBL a heel? Your basically saying "Make JBL Change his Charecter JBL wins by Any Means Necessary...Not by a clean match.


DarF!!!

[Vermaat]

I said I wanted Rey to go over. Not JBL. JBL going over would be a mistake. Rey needs to go over clean.

[Flair Wooo]

REY NEEDS TO HAVE A SHOWER!!!!

[Flair Wooo]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

[Vermaat]

If you don't plan on having serious discussion, please make a seperate thread.

[Flair Wooo]

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Corkscrewed]

See? Vermaat has turned the crowd FOR JBL. It's amazing! Absolutely amazing! :lol:


Actually, it's very simple. Booker and Benoit are better candidates... IN REAL LIFE. However, recently, both have been booked to have middle card credibility. JBL, however, has gotten a one month push AND has the benefit of that nearly year-long reign which, while not really credible at the beginning, became credible by default because of its longevity. This is from the average fan's point of view, by the way. WE know that his reign was mostly crap, but the average fan will go "wow, JBL was champ for like 10 months; Benoit was only champ for 3, and he got beaten by that Randy Orton fella."

The average fan will also look at JBL vs Rey and feel that JBL's got a much bigger size advantage. Benoit and Booker are more like Orton's size, and Rey beat him. But Rey's been killed by the hosses lately, so it's not so unbelievable that JBL can beat him.




Now, when you come down to it all, both choices (Rey winning; Rey losing) are arguably bad. Rey's been made to look like a joke, and as much as you keep insisting that he's working hard, if you watch his matches, they've become almost as formulamatic as everyone else's (early speed advantage; gets hit by a power move; ten minutes of getting dominated; spirited comeback; 619; drop of the dime or some rollup; and you need that nifty bulldog in there somewhere too).

So basically, you can't say JBL's a horrible choice and expect people to take you seriously when you're nothing but glowing praise for Rey.



Also, JBL's definitely a pretty bad wrestler, but he's been entertaining. Now, you don't believe so, but most of the people here do. That's called opinion. You say he gets X-Pac heat, but it's more of the heat he gets when he trashes the crowd or acts racist--something heels throughout wrestling history have done. I don't think it's nice, but it's effective, and it's definitely not X-Pac heat. What's amazing is that you say JBL's boring like its a fact, but when we say Cena is boring, you react with your usual heated retort. Again, AT THE VERY LEAST, what are we doing that you're not doing, and vice versa?

And that's ignoring the point that most of your arguments are unfounded, but I'm not going to argue that because you'll never accept my point of view.

[Kane Knight]

REY NEEDS TO HAVE A SHOWER!!!!

Isn't he already wet?

Least, his back?

[Kane Knight]

See? Vermaat has turned the crowd FOR JBL. It's amazing! Absolutely amazing! :lol:

It's not amazing, he's just such a good heel he makes us want to cheer whoever he opposes. ;)

Now, when you come down to it all, both choices (Rey winning; Rey losing) are arguably bad.

I'd say they're bad with out any real argument. Rey's so not over people chant for his dead amigo. JBL's brilliant as a heel, but doesn't put "teh azzorz in teh s33txorz."


So basically, you can't say JBL's a horrible choice and expect people to take you seriously when you're nothing but glowing praise for Rey.

When all his wins seem to boil down to a lucky break (I mean, his reversals into a 619/WCP are almost always off a lucky break, and usually after no offense...Not to mention, he uses three moves...), it seems like it's foolish to praise him.

Sadly, I have a feeling Rey will win. And while JBL winning isn't great, I think it the lesser of two evils...

[Arnold HamNegger]

See? Vermaat has turned the crowd FOR JBL. It's amazing! Absolutely amazing! :lol:

JBL is actually a huge face, fans just keep giving into peer pressure. :shifty:

[Kalyx triaD]

Ah, that's what I love about the internet. People are just so willing to except one another's opinions :roll: .

While Vermaat hasn't defended his points with fact, he has voiced his OPINION. Most people here are so willing to freaking argue that they won't ignore what is being said, hence the reason this has almost 5 pages. Geez! Everyone here seemingly takes their own OPINION[there's that word again] so seriously that they totally refuse to believe someone else could believe different than themselves. Ridiculous! You'd think the entire board was full of 3-year olds. He did it! No, he did! Get over yourselves already.

Ha! Welcome to TPWW.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They need to hold off on JBL winning for at least one month. If Rey loses now, he's done. He's lost twice to two talentless hosses in Henry and Khali and is getting his ass handed to him by Kane (spoilers for Smackdown). Hell just have JBL take him lightly, then Rey pulls off the upset. Just one defense can give Rey come credibility back. I mean his title run has been botched ever since the Triple Threat match at Mania when Angle ran train over him and Orton.

I agree with Innovator. Not entirely (I think it will take more than a win), but I don't think Rey is doomed, or his title run is doomed. I do believe that will be the case if JBL wins, however.

If Mysterio is sent packing everyone will lose faith in him completely. When he gets back from knee surgery, no one will give two shits. Plus it also means the future of SmackDown! won't be too hunky-dory.

JBL vs. Bobby Lashley will be the feud over the World Heavyweight Title. Not bad, but not nearly epic. The storyline will be JBL basically taunting Lashley because he ended his undefeated streak back at No Way Out, and possibly talking about how Lashley's race should be considered immigrants, just to get extra heat. Bobby Lashley either Booker T's and does nothing but goes down the card, or he wins the World Heavyweight Title arguably more prematurely than he should. Neither scenario is pretty.

This also sets up a similar scenario to when Mark Henry helped Jeff Jarrett win the Intercontinental Champion while Jarrett was still European Champion. I'm pretty sure that two days after Judgment Day, providing JBL takes the big gold belt, we will see Mark Henry presented with the red, white and blue gold. Henry's been better than expected since returning, but do we really need to see him with the United States Championship, squashing all stuggling life in the mid-card?

Rey Mysterio winning at least gives us the warm feeling of knowing that those squash matches turned into a flower of sorts. JBL gets his, and the fans go home happy...ish. They still need to explain Rey's absence while he rests his leg. I think the best way to do this is an injury angle.

Have Rey Mysterio beat JBL, everyone is happy, then all of sudden Mark Henry stumbles out to the ring. Henry has that "injures his opponents" thing going, so he could attack Rey, upset that JBL didn't win the belt (Layfield promised Henry a title shot) and we get Michael Cole screaming for Landmark to stop. Batista's music hits and the big man comes out to save his little buddy. The show closes with Batista holding up the World Heavyweight Championship, and then placing it with Mysterio as he is attended to.

An undefeated title reign has been done recently, what with Batista taking the same route out, but it works in making Rey Mysterio look like a survivor. Mark Henry vs. Batista is bound to happen, this adds more fuel to that fire, and Henry doesn't hold a Championship this way, and it keeps him in the main event (which the WWE is persistant on for some reason). JBL continues on as WWE United States Champion.

Who gets to succeed Mysterio as World Heavyweight Champion? It could really be anyone on the SmackDown! roster. I would go with Booker T. After winning the King of the Ring Tournament, Booker T would be (arguably) the hottest he's been since entering the WWE). Royal T could come out and tell Theodore Long that as King of the Ring, he should have some authority. As #1 Contender after winning the tournament, and as he know has more backstage pull due to his victory, he claims right to be Champion. You could even have Vince McMahon show up authorising it so Booker T looks more like a cheap heel Champion than a justifiable one.

Theodore Long names Booker T's opponent at The Great American Bash...Dave Batista. I've called this match since it was announced Kurt Angle was out of the King of the Ring Tournament, and now they have that real-life heat, it could be a classic. Over the next few weeks, Booker T can have title matches with Chris Benoit and Gunner Scott, just to build to his eventual loss to Leviathan.

When Rey Mysterio returns, the obvious thing for him to do is beat Mark Henry. It's something Rey has yet to do, and it will make him look more credible than what he currently does when he is back with a refreshed pressence. Hopefully he'll return without the "Eddie" chants.

JBL is a good heel, but I don't think him beating Rey at Judgment Day is the way to go.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So some of the lazy bastards here don't have to read everything I just wrote, here's a summary of where I would take SmackDown!:

-Booker T beats Bobby Lashley to become 2006 King of the Ring
-Rey Mysterio beats JBL to retain the World Heavyweight Championship
-Mark Henry "injures" Rey Mysterio after the match, Batista stands tall to end
-Booker T is announced new World Heavyweight Champ by Vince
-Batista is named challenger by Teddy
-Booker T actually defends the belt on SmackDown!
-Batista wins the title from Booker T

[RP]

ROFL and they close my threads.

[Shadow]

The difference is RP...your threads suck. While Vermin's threads suck as well, they're entertaining.

Oh and Alienoid.....nice.

[D Mac]

Damn Alienoid I need to reserve a whole day to read all that. :p

[Schoenauer]

So some of the lazy bastards here don't have to read everything I just wrote, here's a summary of where I would take SmackDown!:

-Booker T beats Bobby Lashley to become 2006 King of the Ring
-Rey Mysterio beats JBL to retain the World Heavyweight Championship
-Mark Henry "injures" Rey Mysterio after the match, Doug Basham stands tall to end
-Booker T is announced new World Heavyweight Champ by Vince
-Doug Basham is named challenger by Teddy
-Booker T actually defends the belt on SmackDown!
-Doug Basham wins the title from Booker T
Fixed

[PureHatred]

Smackdown is fucked. There's no "reason" to put the title on either guy; neithe rman has proven to be a draw and both have recently been booked into oblivion (I mean, before the US win over Benoit, JBL wasputting over Lashley and Boogey Man).

But realistically, look at the talent Smackdown has lost in the last year or so: they get Hassan, Christian, and Batista in the draft. Hassan gets networked off TV, Christian goes to TNA, Batista gets hurt. Eddie dies. Angle is brought in to hold the show together and he gets hurt. You're talking about 5 experienced main eventers al lost in an 18 month span...the show wasn't that stacked to begin with.

I don't know about JBL being ACCEPTABLE or not, but keeping the belt on Rey won't solve anything and he certainly won'tmake the show watchable.

As for The Heat: you've been here for 5 months and you're giving morality lessons about how we should react to other people's posts? Are you serious? Do some research on Vermaat's previous posts and his general douchebaggery and maybe you'll understand why people react to him the way they do.

You fucking pussy.

[Kane Knight]

Ah, that's what I love about the internet. People are just so willing to except one another's opinions :roll: .

While Vermaat hasn't defended his points with fact, he has voiced his OPINION. Most people here are so willing to freaking argue that they won't ignore what is being said, hence the reason this has almost 5 pages. Geez! Everyone here seemingly takes their own OPINION[there's that word again] so seriously that they totally refuse to believe someone else could believe different than themselves. Ridiculous! You'd think the entire board was full of 3-year olds. He did it! No, he did! Get over yourselves already.

hypocrisy police!

[Schoenauer]

You know Vermaat, I'm curious... what do you think of GRRBOBJORJHUR GREAT KHALIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!! Is this guy ON FIRE, or is his position in the WWE UNACCEPTABLE?

[Kalyx triaD]

Will he Make It or Break It!?!?!?

[Volare]

Oh God! This is ****** Hard to call!!1!1!11

[Kane Knight]

Well, Khali is on fire, but one loss could be MAKE IT or BREAK IT, because while he's on top now, it could send him into a downward spiral that could BREAK HIM.

[Kane Knight]

And that, my friends, is UNACCEPTABLE!

[the wwe champion]

If you don't plan on having serious discussion, please make a seperate thread.

:wtf:

Do you own this place ?

[Vermaat]

Actually I posted my opinions on The Great Khali recently. Here is the thread:

http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=45240

And no, I don't own the site, but I think that you need to follow the rules of etiquette and not posting with the sole intent of insulting other posters.

Alienoid gave a great solution to the problem I raised.

[Skippord]

Um, not once has anyone here said that JBL is anything better than a mediocre wrestler.
I say he is a terrible wrestler

[Skippord]

Actually I posted my opinions on The Great Khali recently. Here is the thread:

http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=45240

And no, I don't own the site, but I think that you need to follow the rules of etiquette and not posting with the sole intent of insulting other posters.

Alienoid gave a great solution to the problem I raised.
DO I NEED TO GO E-HEEL

[the wwe champion]

Personally I don't think Rey deserves a main event spot. Face the truth Vermat,he is the world HEAVYWEIGHT champion all thanks to his late buddy Eddie Gurrero. I would rather see Bradshaw as the Champ and that my friend is undoubtedly ACCEPTABLE.

[Skippord]

^^^ I like this one

[Kane Knight]

DO I NEED TO GO EMO-HEEL

YOU ALREADY HAVE.

[V]

this thread title is UNACCEPTABLE

your last 5+ page thread title became catch phrase of the year man... you dropped the ball with this one

[Xero]

And no, I don't own the site, but I think that you need to follow the rules of etiquette and not posting with the sole intent of insulting other posters.
Dude, look at the forum you're reading, come back and say that with a straight face.

[Kane Knight]

This UNACCEPTABLE catch phrase is MAKE IT or BREAK IT.

[Xero]

To BREAK this thread down, it's UNACCEPTABLE for JBL to MAKE IT and ACCEPTABLE for JBL to BREAK IT.

[Kane Knight]

I don't know why he doesn't like JBL. His shower games are UNIQUe and INNOVATIVE uses of otherwise mundane moves.

I think it's high time WWE put over some of their YOUNG, HARD-WORKING talent like JBL.

[the wwe champion]

I don't know why he doesn't like JBL. His shower games are UNIQUe and INNOVATIVE uses of otherwise mundane moves.

I think it's high time WWE put over some of their HARD-WORKING talent like JBL.


:y: :y: :y:

[The Heat]

As for The Heat: you've been here for 5 months and you're giving morality lessons about how we should react to other people's posts? Are you serious? Do some research on Vermaat's previous posts and his general douchebaggery and maybe you'll understand why people react to him the way they do.

You fucking pussy.

Further proving my point for me. I wasn't giving a morality lesson, simply telling the truth. You know, calling it as I see it. If you don't see it the same way fine. I could care less. Name-calling is the art of children. Grow the fuck up, then just maybe, you could have an intelligent debate. The art of actually having a POINT. Try it.

Although Vermaat's post often do not have fact nor sense in them, he does retain the right to post his opinion. If having an opinion makes me a "fucking pussy" I guess that makes you boss cunt. Besides, what does my being here "5 months" have to do with anything? Does that NOT allow me to post my opinion? And if so, who made you boss? I guess idiotic logic is quite blinding, huh?

As for the topic, JBL deserves the World Title about as much as The Great Khali :roll:

[Shadow]

Further proving my point for me. I wasn't giving a morality lesson, simply telling the truth. You know, calling it as I see it. If you don't see it the same way fine. I could care less. Name-calling is the art of children. Grow the fuck up, then just maybe, you could have an intelligent debate. The art of actually having a POINT. Try it.

Although Vermaat's post often do not have fact nor sense in them, he does retain the right to post his opinion. If having an opinion makes me a "fucking pussy" I guess that makes you boss cunt. Besides, what does my being here "5 months" have to do with anything? Does that NOT allow me to post my opinion? And if so, who made you boss? I guess idiotic logic is quite blinding, huh?

As for the topic, JBL deserves the World Title about as much as The Great Khali :roll:

My opinion is...your a fucking pussy.

Vermin's posts have very little substance to them. He spins off all this promise about how he'll listen to other people, how he'll try to debate them, and then shuts us down by saying shit like "Well, your not real wrestling fans." Bullshit. I think we're the few real wrestling fans left.

As for you Mr. Heat....sorry to say but if you have less than a 1000 posts, your opinion means shit to us.

[The Heat]

My opinion is...your a fucking pussy.

Vermin's posts have very little substance to them. He spins off all this promise about how he'll listen to other people, how he'll try to debate them, and then shuts us down by saying shit like "Well, your not real wrestling fans." Bullshit. I think we're the few real wrestling fans left.

As for you Mr. Heat....sorry to say but if you have less than a 1000 posts, your opinion means shit to us.

:lol: What is this? The "Over 1000 posts owners kiss each other's asses club"? For the record, I don't give a fuck who likes me around here. Last time I checked, the purpose of a message board is to share opinions on wrestling. So, if you don't "give a shit" about my opinion, why so much interest in replying to it? Little bit of irony, wouldn't ya say?

PureHatred & Yourself[Shadow] have both proven my point for me. You have a topic that should've been either ignored or closed several pages ago, yet, people refuse to let it die. Instead, it has degenerated into a name-calling marathon in which the topic at hand has been COMPLETELY IGNORED.

All I've seen are these so-called "good posters"[most who I might add have 1,000 posts or over] ganging up on one dude for his view on wrestling. I'm sure you've heard that variety is the spice of life. What kinda one-dimensional world would we live in if everyone conformed to your specific view?

Bottom line, most of the replies in this topic have been a bunch of hypocritical statements by people who think their own OPINION is fact and is God's honest truth. Fact is, its not about who's right or wrong. Opinion is NOT fact.

And who's to say Shadow & friends are the only "true" wrestling fans left? Who decides that? Just another example of net' hypocrisy at its finest.

[Volare]

If you actually see these posts, you'll understand how some people are just RETARDED...












Or really high, but I bet it's Retarded

[Ben Rodrigues]

Somebody give this man his own weekly column. Seriously. His posts are incredibly entertaining. Call it "MAKE IT or BREAK IT - the acceptable view on wrestling by Vermaat". Or something more original.

[Kane Knight]

Further proving my point for me. I wasn't giving a morality lesson, simply telling the truth. You know, calling it as I see it. If you don't see it the same way fine. I could care less. Name-calling is the art of children. Grow the fuck up, then just maybe, you could have an intelligent debate. The art of actually having a POINT. Try it.

Although Vermaat's post often do not have fact nor sense in them, he does retain the right to post his opinion. If having an opinion makes me a "fucking pussy" I guess that makes you boss cunt. Besides, what does my being here "5 months" have to do with anything? Does that NOT allow me to post my opinion? And if so, who made you boss? I guess idiotic logic is quite blinding, huh?

As for the topic, JBL deserves the World Title about as much as The Great Khali :roll:

Wow. Hypocrisy again? I guess only you and Vermaat can call it like they see it.

[Destor]

:lol: What is this? The "Over 10,000 posts owners kiss each other's asses club"?

[PureHatred]

Further proving my point for me. I wasn't giving a morality lesson, simply telling the truth. You know, calling it as I see it. If you don't see it the same way fine. I could care less. Name-calling is the art of children. Grow the fuck up, then just maybe, you could have an intelligent debate. The art of actually having a POINT. Try it.

Although Vermaat's post often do not have fact nor sense in them, he does retain the right to post his opinion. If having an opinion makes me a "fucking pussy" I guess that makes you boss cunt. Besides, what does my being here "5 months" have to do with anything? Does that NOT allow me to post my opinion? And if so, who made you boss? I guess idiotic logic is quite blinding, huh?

As for the topic, JBL deserves the World Title about as much as The Great Khali :roll:

This has nothing to do with post count or whether or not someone's opinion is valid. It has to do with the fact that Vermaat pretty much surrendered all credibility by making posts and then totally ignoring or dismissing anyone with a valid argument. There are plenty of people here with contradictory oipinions, but at least when they argue they have reasons to back themselves up and will listen wehn others point out holes in their logic.

Vermaat has no credibility because his method of argument is to cover his ears and scream at the top of the lungs "I'M NOT HEARING YOU!" like he's a five year old.

You argue about people's right to have an opinion, and then defend the one person on this board who uiniversally ignores every opinion on his own. I called you a pussy because you thought you were doing the noble thing by helping out the guy being "picked on" by all the big bad bullies when if you had read through his past statements you would've seen that he didn't get jumped on until he simply tried to force his ridiculous views on everyone else.

Being a retard is one thing; being a self-righteous retard is something else entirely.

Not every minority opinion is defenseless or weak and not every attack is unjustified. Sometimes people deserve to get verbally shit on. Vermaat is one of those people. And since you can't handle that, you're kind of a pussy.

[The Heat]

This has nothing to do with post count or whether or not someone's opinion is valid. It has to do with the fact that Vermaat pretty much surrendered all credibility by making posts and then totally ignoring or dismissing anyone with a valid argument. There are plenty of people here with contradictory oipinions, but at least when they argue they have reasons to back themselves up and will listen wehn others point out holes in their logic.

While I have briefly noticed that sometimes Vermaat's posts are rather contradictory, he does have the right to say whatever he wants. As do you and the rest of this board. Is that correct or not? I guess you'll now say my posts are illogical because I don't agree? And for the record the post count/months been here thing wasn't brought up by me: it was a sarcastic shot @ the guy who did[since most of you cannot pick up on sarcastic humor].

Vermaat has no credibility because his method of argument is to cover his ears and scream at the top of the lungs "I'M NOT HEARING YOU!" like he's a five year old.

As do you and the others when you bash Vermaat for simply stating his opinion. Anyone else see the irony besides me?

You argue about people's right to have an opinion, and then defend the one person on this board who uiniversally ignores every opinion on his own. I called you a pussy because you thought you were doing the noble thing by helping out the guy being "picked on" by all the big bad bullies when if you had read through his past statements you would've seen that he didn't get jumped on until he simply tried to force his ridiculous views on everyone else.

If that's supposed to be an unwritten rule of this board, alot of people are "forcing ridiculous views on everyone else". I defended Vermaat because you have so-called "good posters" all jumping on the anti-Vermaat bandwagon simply because they disagree. It seems as though your pre-existing hatred makes you automatically biased[you and the others blindly bashing Vermaat].

Being a retard is one thing; being a self-righteous retard is something else entirely.

Something you and your posse could learn from. You guys are so wrapped up in believing your own OPINION[that word comes up rather often] that you fail to think other free-thinkers might disagree with your view. I am FAR from self-righteous. I simply stated you and the others were beating a dead-horse in repeatedly bashing Vermaat for expressing himself the way you and everyone else here does. If you think his logic is full of holes, debate him on his invalid points and be done. Don't turn it into a 5 fucking page flame-fest and then turn it around on me to make me look "self-righteous". There's a distinguishable difference between having the integrity to end a stalemate than to get involved[which I did by trying to end this useless thread, which the topic to died long ago turning into anti-Vermaat flaming wars].



Not every minority opinion is defenseless or weak and not every attack is unjustified. Sometimes people deserve to get verbally shit on. Vermaat is one of those people. And since you can't handle that, you're kind of a pussy.

That's the most illogical piece of bullshit I've ever heard. You "verbally shit" on everyone you disagree with? You are a sad, miserable person if the answer is yes. I'm a pussy? For telling you to stop beating a dead horse topic? You're a moron for even calling me a name without being justified in doing so. This whole board is full of whiny little kids[or at least intelligence level thereof] for ruining a topic such as this one.

I can handle anything that happens. Except for people using illogical, blind, biased or plain out bullshit logic to turn a good topic bad. You know what, if you don't get the picture by now, you've no hope left........


Wow! Hypocrisy again? I guess only you and Vermaat can call it like they see it.

What is it that makes you think you can automatically enter a topic and add absolutely NOTHING to it, yet, can be the judge of everyone on the board? I've noticed you've got a pattern of jumping into threads purposely ruining them by arguing. What are you, the TPWW bandwagon police? Here to verbally arrest us for having an opinion?

I call every topic as I see it. If you don't agree, fine. Let's agree to disagree. I never defended Vermaat's logic. Point out one instance where I did. You won't find it. Now, if I had, that would be me being a hypocrite. However, I simply tried to get people to realize this topic was becoming nonsense.

It's like one was trying to top the other on nothingness. If you are content to keep ruining topics, while furthering them to 5-10 pages of utter BS, go ahead. I'm done explaining.

But, you cannot say I ever contradicted myself. I never called names[at least until I was called one first]. This topic is dead to me. I guess now, people will reply to me in a topic like they do to Vermaat flaming just because they don't particularly agree with me. Grow the fuck up!

[Kane Knight]

What is it that makes you think you can automatically enter a topic and add absolutely NOTHING to it, yet, can be the judge of everyone on the board?

First off, I quoted this from another thread, knowing the minute I read your response there that it would be needed moments later...

You...

...

Wow...You really don't get the irony of the situation.

That is totally amazing...

The amazing part here, is not so much you calling the kettle black, it's how utterly unaware you are of being blacker than Eminem. :lol:

Also, come on. Judge of everyone on the board? That's pretty weak. It's a conspiracy theory at best.

Something you and your posse could learn from. You guys are so wrapped up in believing your own OPINION[that word comes up rather often] that you fail to think other free-thinkers might disagree with your view.

Something you and yours could learn (Note the lack of from): The difference between opinion and fact. Just because someone insists upon or adheres to an opinion does not make it an expression of fact. In fact, aside from Vermaat, who actually has passed his opinion off as fact, I'm hard pressed to find anyone doing this. And even then, I have to dig back.

In fact, most of the arguments in this thread hinge on the simple notion that they should be assumed as opinions in the first place, and that you have to be pretty stupid or lack an understanding of the nature and context of the conversation, and don't forget the English Language, to think that people should have to drop "IMHO" or other statements of opinion after that which can only be or can reasonably be assumed to be opinion.

...Or they're intentionally inflamatory and not meant to be taken serious in the first place. But again, that's not opinion as fact, and bringing that up becomes pointless fast.

You "verbally shit" on everyone you disagree with?

Why would you even need to ask that, when it's clear from the statement you quoted that he doesn't?

I call every topic as I see it. If you don't agree, fine. Let's agree to disagree.

Wow. You fold faster than a Democrat.

In fact, that's the crux of the matter. You seem unable to grasp the concept that people can disagree, without resorting to this bullshit notion that suddenly people are passing opinion off as fact.

I never defended Vermaat's logic.

Never claimed you did.

Point out one instance where I did. You won't find it. Now, if I had, that would be me being a hypocrite. However, I simply tried to get people to realize this topic was becoming nonsense.

Never claimed that made you a hypocrite.

Point out where I said that "You defending Vermaat's logic makes you a hypocrite."

Since you want to pull out the anal retentive "prove where I said it" card.


But, you cannot say I ever contradicted myself.

LOL. Keep telling yourself that. I mean, you never defended Vermaat's logic, and that's the only place you could be called on contradiction, right? ;)

[Destor]

The Heat +1
Kane Knight 0

[Innovator]

Next person who goes to a WWE event HAS to bring a MAKE IT or BREAK IT sign

[Xero]

I will.

I'm also going to take a : SHIFTY : sign.

I swear I am.

[TerranRich]

Next person who goes to a WWE event HAS to bring a MAKE IT or BREAK IT sign
If I score tickets to SummerSlam (in Boston IIRC) I will DEFINITELY do that. :rofl:

"Tonight's PPV is
MAKE IT
or
BREAK IT!"

[Kane Knight]

The Heat +1
Kane Knight 0

AWWWW SNAP! Looks like today was BREAK IT for Kane Knight.

[Kane Knight]

If I score tickets to SummerSlam (in Boston IIRC) I will DEFINITELY do that. :rofl:

"Tonight's PPV is
MAKE IT
or
BREAK IT!"

Can I sit next to you with a sign that says "<---------------Bad Apple" on it?

[Xero]

I'd love to see a white man in black face go to a wrestling event with a "Cena's Biggest Fan" sign dressed as a rapper.

And I want him to have front row, camera-side seats.

[Destor]

AWWWW SNAP! Looks like today was BREAK IT for Kane Knight.This 'Make it or break it' stuff, whats it all about. Have I missed something?

[Xero]

This 'Make it or break it' stuff, whats it all about. Have I missed something?
Vermaat did a whole MAKE IT OR BREAK IT thread about how WrestleMania was MAKE IT OR BREAK IT. He has such suggestions as putting Mark Henry over Taker, Cena HAVING to retain and that Rey Mysterio is one of the most INNOVATIVE and YOUNG wrestlers in the world.

http://tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=42967

It made 14 pages.

[Kane Knight]

I'd love to see a white man in black face go to a wrestling event with a "Cena's Biggest Fan" sign dressed as a rapper.

And I want him to have front row, camera-side seats.

You'd be kicked out in 3 minutes.

...Did someone just say THREE MINUTES?

[darkpower]

This 'Make it or break it' stuff, whats it all about. Have I missed something?

I didn't read the thread myself, but but this same fucking fag who made this pitiful excuse for a thread that said that WM 22 was "Make it or break it" for the WWE. It's been used ever since.

That thread is here: http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=42967

[darkpower]

Vermaat did a whole MAKE IT OR BREAK IT thread about how WrestleMania was MAKE IT OR BREAK IT. He has such suggestions as putting Mark Henry over Taker, Cena HAVING to retain and that Rey Mysterio is one of the most INNOVATIVE and YOUNG wrestlers in the world.

http://tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=42967

It made 14 pages.

Goddamnit. Made the post as you were.

Beat me to it, you jerk. :mad: :mad: :mad:







:shifty: :shifty: :shifty:






Oh well, I love you anyway. :love: :love: :love:

[Vermaat]

First of all, I'm glad WWE made the right decision on the PPV. WWE is once again heading into the right direction! Rey's reign can only get better and better from now and here's hoping we see a great Benoit/Rey feud that would be great. Good job WWE :y:

And for those of you asking why I capitalized some words, well, let me educate you. It's called emphasis. Look it up!

Personally I don't think Rey deserves a main event spot. Face the truth Vermat,he is the world HEAVYWEIGHT champion all thanks to his late buddy Eddie Gurrero. I would rather see Bradshaw as the Champ and that my friend is undoubtedly ACCEPTABLE

Rey deserves it. Rey was over before the Eddie association, he was one of the most over people on Smackdown. I also heard that Rey was very over in wCw so he has been over for quite a long time and he has always worked hard and put over anyone WWE put in with him. If anyone deserves a world title run, it's Rey. The Eddie stuff did not make Rey "over", he was over before it.

And if you think a crappy wrestler would make a good champion, perhaps you should watch something else.

Vermaat has no credibility because his method of argument is to cover his ears and scream at the top of the lungs "I'M NOT HEARING YOU!" like he's a five year old.



False. Your method of argument is to INSULT and DEFAME my character and IGNORE the points I am making because you cannot adress them.

I have always adressed all points raised by other posters with logic and valid arguments. Saying that I don't, doesn't make it true buddy!

You realize your weakness and you feel the only way to adress it is to defame my character, ignore my points and try to make me look dumb. Doesn't work buddy, anyone with the comprehension ability of a normal person (like Heat) can see theough your facade and see that besides your insults you got nothing because that's all you spew out once your arguments have been turned back.

didn't read the thread myself, but but this same fucking fag who made this pitiful excuse for a thread that said that WM 22 was "Make it or break it"

If anyone is pitiful here, it is you. I feel sorry that you are only able to post insults and are physically unable to engage in logical argument.

[Vermaat]

First of all, I'm glad WWE made the right decision on the PPV. WWE is once again heading into the right direction! Rey's reign can only get better and better from now and here's hoping we see a great Benoit/Rey feud that would be great. Good job WWE :y:

And for those of you asking why I capitalized some words, well, let me educate you. It's called emphasis. Look it up!

Personally I don't think Rey deserves a main event spot. Face the truth Vermat,he is the world HEAVYWEIGHT champion all thanks to his late buddy Eddie Gurrero. I would rather see Bradshaw as the Champ and that my friend is undoubtedly ACCEPTABLE

Rey deserves it. Rey was over before the Eddie association, he was one of the most over people on Smackdown. I also heard that Rey was very over in wCw so he has been over for quite a long time and he has always worked hard and put over anyone WWE put in with him. If anyone deserves a world title run, it's Rey. The Eddie stuff did not make Rey "over", he was over before it.

And if you think a crappy wrestler would make a good champion, perhaps you should watch something else.

Vermaat has no credibility because his method of argument is to cover his ears and scream at the top of the lungs "I'M NOT HEARING YOU!" like he's a five year old.



False. Your method of argument is to INSULT and DEFAME my character and IGNORE the points I am making because you cannot adress them.

I have always adressed all points raised by other posters with logic and valid arguments. Saying that I don't, doesn't make it true buddy!

You realize your weakness and you feel the only way to adress it is to defame my character, ignore my points and try to make me look dumb. Doesn't work buddy, anyone with the comprehension ability of a normal person (like Heat) can see theough your facade and see that besides your insults you got nothing because that's all you spew out once your arguments have been turned back.

didn't read the thread myself, but but this same fucking fag who made this pitiful excuse for a thread that said that WM 22 was "Make it or break it"

If anyone is pitiful here, it is you. I feel sorry that you are only able to post insults and are physically unable to engage in logical argument.

[Kane Knight]

If you actually participated in a logical argument, you might have grounds to talk. :)

[Corkscrewed]

Hey Maaty, was putting the older Booker T over the young up and coming Bobby Lashey the right decision, even though it was in a tourney that's historically been designed to promote new YOUNG talent?

Or was it ok because Lashley has no personality?


Was it okay for Khali, who also has no personality, to completely destroy Undertaker in a match that made no sense in terms of each wrestler's credibility?

Or was it ok because he's the young guy they're pushing?


Just wondering, actually.

[Kane Knight]

Lashley isn't young. :roll:

Mizark is, however.

[Vermaat]

Hey Maaty, was putting the older Booker T over the young up and coming Bobby Lashey the right decision, even though it was in a tourney that's historically been designed to promote new YOUNG talent?

Or was it ok because Lashley has no personality?


Was it okay for Khali, who also has no personality, to completely destroy Undertaker in a match that made no sense in terms of each wrestler's credibility?

Or was it ok because he's the young guy they're pushing?


Just wondering, actually.

Booker T going over is a tough one. It depends on where they go with this. If Booker T is going to go for the championship, then yes it is the right decision in this case to go over the young talent. Booker T deserves one big run and he has been real good lately. So if they plan on Booker T world champ soon, it was the right decision.

If they're not going for that, then Lashley should have gotten the win. But otherwise, Lashlet will get his chance. He is young, Booker T needs it more.

Khali being HIRED by the WWE is unacceptable. Well, to the main roster anyway. This guy can't wrestle and he is terrible on the mic. If they want this guy, okay, but put him through a year of training and see what happens. If he's still as bad in the ring, fire him. Khali definetely didn't deserve to go over the Undertaker or to be on the main roster when guys like CHRIS BENOIT aren't being pushed!

I never said Mark Henry is young. Don't attribute it to me.

[Ben Rodrigues]

Booker T going over is a tough one. It depends on where they go with this. If Booker T is going to go for the championship, then yes it is the right decision in this case to go over the young talent. Booker T deserves one big run and he has been real good lately. So if they plan on Booker T world champ soon, it was the right decision.

If they're not going for that, then Lashley should have gotten the win. But otherwise, Lashlet will get his chance. He is young, Booker T needs it more.

Khali being HIRED by the WWE is unacceptable. Well, to the main roster anyway. This guy can't wrestle and he is terrible on the mic. If they want this guy, okay, but put him through a year of training and see what happens. If he's still as bad in the ring, fire him. Khali definetely didn't deserve to go over the Undertaker or to be on the main roster when guys like CHRIS BENOIT aren't being pushed!

I never said Mark Henry is young. Don't attribute it to me.

Last I heard Booker doesn't want another run at the top. He's content with just being part of the show. And how does Lashley being young make him less of a candidate to win the KOTR then Booker T? Isn't pushing the young guys what the KOTR is all about?

BTW, which TNA wrestler are you? My money is on some main event heel. Jarrett maybe?

[Schoenauer]

Does Jarrett live in his own twisted world where his opinion is fact and all reality is completely broken?

[V]

why is it that this guy always gets what he wants?

Vermaat, please make a thread about why RVD winning the WWE title at ECW ONS will be a RESPECTABLE WWE DECISION or something stupid like that.

[Ben Rodrigues]

why is it that this guy always gets what he wants?

Vermaat, please make a thread about why RVD winning the WWE title at ECW ONS will be a RESPECTABLE WWE DECISION or something stupid like that.

Because he represents the REAL wrestling fans that the geniuses at WWE write for. Not for us bad apples that pressure other people to boo Cena and such.

[Shadow]

Does Jarrett live in his own twisted world where his opinion is fact and all reality is completely broken?

Yes. He does. It's called Planet Jarrett.=

[Kane Knight]

Because he represents the REAL wrestling fans that the geniuses at WWE write for. Not for us bad apples that pressure other people to boo Cena and such.

Yeah, and they're doing pretty well. As of May 8th, the bad apples have ruined it for everyone such that the viewers at home would rather watch Spongebob (One hour of Raw is rated below he who lives in a pineapple under the sea...). The True John Cena fans can't help it! When they hear fans booing along at home, they immediately start to hate Cena, because they're...GASP...Fairweather fans! OMG!

Ironically, the bad apple argument is one of the best reasons to take the belt off of Cena. The casuals who watch wrestling because it's cool (And people were starting to buy that again) Don't want to see a guy nobody likes. And since the people who follow the wigger right now will switch to a new trend next year (Going from wigger life to emo, or whatever comes next), there's no point in appeasing them. The female fanbase? Put someone "pretty" up there, and he'll sell like Cena (If he's given as much time to shine). Children are the most easily influenced, and will cheer anyone who's popular and pop culture.

So Cena's fanbase:

Wiggers will turn away from it soon enough, except for the sad few who will be ridculed by society the way guys with mullets get it today.
Women buy Cena for the same reason they seem to radibly love Jeff Hardy. He's replacable, just get ssomeone who's pretty (Or has a big tongue) and the women fanbase will be all over him. On that note: New Rule: Women don't have a right to complain about men going for Trish Stratus until they can pick their favorites without relying on appearance or implied sexual prowess.
Children will basically do as they're told. Not worrisome (Except that parents let them watch this garbage...)Easily solved.

If Cena had a large following outside of niche bases, Raw would probably have higher ratings.

Then again, I suppose you could also blame the Spirit Squad, since they've been shoved down our throats the last few weeks.

[Kane Knight]

Yes. He does. It's called Planet Jarrett.=

A scary place. Mount Jarrett was the highest point, at 3 inches.

[Arnold HamNegger]

why is it that this guy always gets what he wants?

Vermaat, please make a thread about why RVD winning the WWE title at ECW ONS will be a RESPECTABLE WWE DECISION or something stupid like that.

:y:

Yeah, for some ungodly reason I have the urge to know Vermaat's opinion on the RVD/Cena ONS match. What sucks more ass than a Vietnamese hooker is that incredibly, the WWE writers and Vermaat seem to think exactly alike. This means RVD has no chance at winning the belt. Super-Cena will once again overcome insurmountable odds and the most hostile crowd since Rocky went to Russia. In WWE/Vermaat think, this is the best way to make him more over again as a face in the WWE. He goes to war defending WWE pride and retains the belt for WWE. Super Cena once again saves the day! (Insert girly squeels here).

It makes me want to vomit. :nono:

[Destor]

I don't see Van Dam winning.

[Destor]

:'(

[Corkscrewed]

Booker T going over is a tough one. It depends on where they go with this. If Booker T is going to go for the championship, then yes it is the right decision in this case to go over the young talent. Booker T deserves one big run and he has been real good lately. So if they plan on Booker T world champ soon, it was the right decision.

If they're not going for that, then Lashley should have gotten the win. But otherwise, Lashlet will get his chance. He is young, Booker T needs it more.

Khali being HIRED by the WWE is unacceptable. Well, to the main roster anyway. This guy can't wrestle and he is terrible on the mic. If they want this guy, okay, but put him through a year of training and see what happens. If he's still as bad in the ring, fire him. Khali definetely didn't deserve to go over the Undertaker or to be on the main roster when guys like CHRIS BENOIT aren't being pushed!

I never said Mark Henry is young. Don't attribute it to me.

Wow, he actually made sense.

I commend you.

[Innovator]

even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes

[Kane Knight]

It's hard to find someone you always disagree with.

[Goulet]

Vermaat got peed on

[Destor]

So some of the lazy bastards here don't have to read everything I just wrote, here's a summary of where I would take SmackDown!:

-Booker T beats Bobby Lashley to become 2006 King of the Ring
-Rey Mysterio beats JBL to retain the World Heavyweight Championship
-Mark Henry "injures" Rey Mysterio after the match, Batista stands tall to end
-Booker T is announced new World Heavyweight Champ by Vince
-Batista is named challenger by Teddy
-Booker T actually defends the belt on SmackDown!
-Batista wins the title from Booker TYour not to far off.

[Corkscrewed]

lmao

That's scary man. Looks like that's what's going to happen, pretty much, save the injury angle. :lol: