WCW>WWE In terms of Titles Meaning Something....

[therealdeal]

Really they did. I know people are gonna say "David Arquette" but besides that i mean. And WWE gave their title to Vince which aint much better. Look at these Lists. Giving prior to their last 6 month or so desperation period. Not Showing Repeat Champs


Cruiserwieght

Shinjiro Ohtani
Dean Malenko
Rey Misterio Jr
Ultimo Dragon
Syxx
Chris Jericho
Alex Wright
Eddy Guerrero
Juventud Guerrera
Billy Kidman
Psicosis
Disco Inferno

Television Title

Arn Anderson
Bobby Eaton
Steve Austin
Barry Windham
Ricky Steamboat
Scott Stiener
Paul Orndorff
Lord Steven Regal
Larry Zbysco
Johnny B. Badd (Marc Mero)
Renegade
Diamond Dallas Page
Lex Luger
Prince Iaukea
Ultimo
Alex Wright
Disco Inferno
Perry Saturn
Booker T.
Rick Martel
Chris Beniot
Fit Finlay
Chris Jericho
Konnan
Scott Stiener
Rick Stiener
Scott Hall

United States Title


Lex Luger
Sting
Rick Rude
Dustin Rhodes
Steve Austin
Ricky Steamboat
Jim Duggan
Vader
Kensuke Sasaki
One Man Gang
Konnan
Ric Flair
Eddie Guerrero
Dean Malenko
Jeff Jarrett
Steve McMicheal
Curt Henning
Diamond Dallas Page
Raven
Bill Goldberg
Bret Hart
Roddy Piper
Scott Hall
Scott Stiener
Davd Flair
Chris Benoit
Sid Vicious
Lance Storm
Terry Funk
Shane Douglas
Rick Steiner
Booker T

World Title

Ric Flair
Lex Luger
Sting
Big Van Vader
Ron Simmons
Hulk Hogan
The Giant
Randy Savage
Bill Goldberg
Kevin Nash
Diamond Dallas Page
Bret Hart
Sid
Jeff Jarrett
Booker T.
Scott Steiner



Most of those guys are superstars. Specifically the US and World Titles were never given to nobodys like the WWE does. The US title was never given to Asshats like Orlando Jordan for 8 months. Thats one of the reasons WCW Ruled!!! It actually meant something to win the Title. If you won the World Title you were forever a main stream Superstar.

[McLegend]

I don't know Lex Luger takes a lot of credibility away

[Rammsteinmad]

I agree. Especially their mid-card titles.

BUT!!! One problem. Not gonna go into too much detail (We ALL know this by now), but for the World Title list. Look at the names. With the exception of Booker T and DDP they're all old name veterans. Sure some of 'em (Sting, Simmons etc) were winning them in 1990 etc, but where are the younger names from 1999/2000?

But I definately agree when it comes to the Midcard, Cruiserweight and Tag Titles.

[Xero]

Are we talking now or in the past WWE? Because if it's the past this is hugely debatable, especially your US (IC) title comment.

The IC title was used as a stepping stone in the WWE to the world title/main event status. I'd say it did it more for the WWE than the US title did for WCW. Some "no-name" (at the time of reign) IC champions I can rattle off my head include Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Bulldog, Razor Ramon (AKA Scott Hall), The Rock, Steve Austin, Triple H...

Currently, though, that's true.

[M-A-G]

OK, true, WWE did have Vince has champion but in comparison to WCW putting their world title on Arquette, there's a major difference. Vince did it just as an egofuck and IMMEDIATELY got rid of it to let the real wrestlers handle it plus it was during a really hot period for WWE. In WCW's case, they did it because they actually thought it was going to help get them some traction by having a celebrity wear their top prize and they had him actually making defenses on TV and at Slamboree in the main event no less. Plus it was during one of the worst slumps for WCW.

[Kane Knight]

Are we talking about the same WCW who put the title on David Arquette for a publicity stunt? The WWE could wipe their asses on the title and still be more respectful.

[Kane Knight]

...Which is, as I understand it, what their current plan is....

[6to1]

well that was the ruso era that don't count, he did more to help the wwe heading wcw then he ever did when he worked for the wwe.

[Fignuts]

The IC title has always been very well handled.

That said, wcw did a brilliant job with all their mid-card titles. As bad as the world title scene has been in wwe lately, It still isn't as bad as it was in wcw.

Also, say what you will about david arquette, but the guy is a class act. First of all, he didn't even really want to do it, as he probably realized how ridiculous it was. Secondly he donated most of the money from his participation to the families of deceased wrestlers.

[Xero]

OK, true, WWE did have Vince has champion but in comparison to WCW putting their world title on Arquette, there's a major difference. Vince did it just as an egofuck and IMMEDIATELY got rid of it to let the real wrestlers handle it plus it was during a really hot period for WWE. In WCW's case, they did it because they actually thought it was going to help get them some traction by having a celebrity wear their top prize and they had him actually making defenses on TV and at Slamboree in the main event no less. Plus it was during one of the worst slumps for WCW.
Don't forget the fact that, you know, Vince had wrestled in the past and had been a part of WWE TV for about 20 years at that time.

Vince winning made A LOT more sense than Arquette.

[Volare]

Double J is not credable what so ever 'specially when he has a move called "The Stroke" which is in no way has any impact to make the crowd go holy shit.

[Pepsi Man]

As far as Vince McMahon winning the WWF Title negates David Arquette winning the WCW Title goes...WCW still has the "advantage" there, because not only has David Arquette been WCW Champion, but so too has one Vince Russo.

[Kane Knight]

Double J is not credable what so ever 'specially when he has a move called "The Stroke" which is in no way has any impact to make the crowd go holy shit.

Unlike DEVASTATING moves like The People's Elbow, the Hogan Leg Drop, the 5 Knuckle Shuffle, which have plenty of impact and make the crowds go "Holy Shit."

The Stroke is UNACCEPTABLE as a finisher!

[Mister Sinister]

And isn't it funny...Chris Jericho used a varaition of the Stroke for 2 months as a finisher, and used it to win the WCW Championship from The Rock

[Rob]

WWF never did phantom title changes. WWF never put a title on someone and then taped matches for that title without the current champion being involved. WWF never had title changes and then refused to admit them.

[Savio]

Really they did. I know people are gonna say "David Arquette" but besides that i mean. And WWE gave their title to Vince which aint much better.

Are we talking about the same WCW who put the title on David Arquette for a publicity stunt? The WWE could wipe their asses on the title and still be more respectful.Hey, he was right!

[Savio]

WWF never did phantom title changes. WWF never put a title on someone and then taped matches for that title without the current champion being involved. WWF never had title changes and then refused to admit them.didn't they do that with Warrior/Honky Tonk Man?

[redoneja]

WWF never did phantom title changes. WWF never put a title on someone and then taped matches for that title without the current champion being involved. WWF never had title changes and then refused to admit them.

Didn't Antonio Inoki beat Bob Backlund for the title in November of 1979(I think) and the WWF not recognze the title switch? Inoki would then forfeit the title and Backlund won a match in New York that December proclaiming him the WWF Champion again.

[Disturbed316]

CHRIS FUCKING JERICHO!

[Savio]

OK, true, WWE did have Vince has champion but in comparison to WCW putting their world title on Arquette, there's a major difference. Vince did it just as an egofuck and IMMEDIATELY got rid of it to let the real wrestlers handle it plus it was during a really hot period for WWE. In WCW's case, they did it because they actually thought it was going to help get them some traction by having a celebrity wear their top prize and they had him actually making defenses on TV and at Slamboree in the main event no less. Plus it was during one of the worst slumps for WCW.
I dunno I think vinces run was more retarded then Arquettes.

HHH (c) challenges Vinnie to a match for no reason.
Vince reluctantly accepts
Vince goes over HHH with the help of austin
Vince gives the belt up
HHH wins the belt back in a 6 pack match

Eric Bishoff and Jarret bully Daivd, DDPs (c) buddy
A match is set up Eric/Jarret vs DDP/David
David pins Eric to win the title
Jarret Defeats DDP with the help of David

I think the WCW one was better. WWEs version just seemed useless.

[Kane Knight]

Hey, he was right!

Yeah, he was. I know full well what he originally said, I just didn't care. That was so horrible it outshines almost anything else you could mention...

...In fact, it's probably the wrestling equivalent of Godwin's law and the Nazis.

[Xero]

Didn't Antonio Inoki beat Bob Backlund for the title in November of 1979(I think) and the WWF not recognze the title switch? Inoki would then forfeit the title and Backlund won a match in New York that December proclaiming him the WWF Champion again.
I'm pretty sure Rob was being sarcastic...

Probably still bitter about the Rockers' title win that "never happened".

[Pepsi Man]

I dunno I think vinces run was more retarded then Arquettes.

HHH (c) challenges Vinnie to a match for no reason.
Vince reluctantly accepts
Vince goes over HHH with the help of austin
Vince gives the belt up
HHH wins the belt back in a 6 pack match

Eric Bishoff and Jarret bully Daivd, DDPs (c) buddy
A match is set up Eric/Jarret vs DDP/David
David pins Eric to win the title
Jarret Defeats DDP with the help of David

I think the WCW one was better. WWEs version just seemed useless.
Oh, okay. So pinning someone who's NOT the champion in a tag team match should make you World Champion, in theory, but pinning down the shoulders of the World Champion shouldn't? Can someone please explain this logic to me?

[Savio]

.....So you'd rather have Arquette pin Jarret then have Jarret win the title a few weeks later?

Its not like David could pin DDP.

[Xero]

Vince was feuding with Triple H at the time. Even though he got it back, from a storyline standpoint, it made sense.

[Savio]

Ummm Vince wasn't allowed on TV (prior to the match) at the time if I rememebr correctly.

[Xero]

Vince was feuding with Triple H over Stephanie. That's all that was important.

[Savio]

That was after


Fully Loaded 1999: Steve Austin defeated Undertaker (As a result, Vince McMahon was banned from appearing on WWF TV)..

World Wrestling Federation - Vince McMahon:
September 14, 1999 - Smackdown!: Vince McMahon defeated Triple H to win the WWF title with help from... Steve Austin!
~~~Vince McMahon immediatly forfieted the title, which would be decided in a Six-Pack Challange at Unforgiven 1999 (http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/results/wweppv/unforgiven99.html)..
Armageddon 1999: Triple H defeated Vince McMahon in a brutal hard-fought match..


Paul 1 - Xero 0

[Pepsi Man]

.....So you'd rather have Arquette pin Jarret then have Jarret win the title a few weeks later?

Its not like David could pin DDP.
If he couldn't pin DDP, then he shouldn't have been champion. :)

[Savio]

If he couldn't pin DDP, then he shouldn't have been champion. :)Thats not the arguement.

Paul 1 - Pepsi 0

[Xero]

That was after
Hm, you're right on one count. I could have sworn that the Test/Stephanie wedding happened in August but it was actually in October.

However, didn't Triple H marry Stephanie to piss off Vince, which I would assume would have been an indirect result of the Vince title win?

[Pepsi Man]

Thats not the arguement.

Paul 1 - Pepsi 0
If you say so, guy.

[Pepsi Man]

Hm, you're right on one count. I could have sworn that the Test/Stephanie wedding happened in August but it was actually in October.

However, didn't Triple H marry Stephanie to piss off Vince, which I would assume would have been an indirect result of the Vince title win?
Actually, what drew Vince out of "retirement" (of SORTS, work with me) was Triple H threatening Linda McMahon.

STILL, it made sense, moreso than an actor randomly being on the show one night and pinning someone OTHER THAN THE CHAMPION...in a TAG TEAM MATCH.

[Xero]

Well, I know that Triple H and Vince had a history before the title win.

I wasn't talking about the title win, I was talking about the title win being an indirect result of Triple H marrying Stephanie.

[Pepsi Man]

Well, I know that Triple H and Vince had a history before the title win.

I wasn't talking about the title win, I was talking about the title win being an indirect result of Triple H marrying Stephanie.
Don't you mean Triple H marrying Stephanie being an indirect result of the title win? I mean, considering it was established that the title win came first and all...

[Xero]

Don't you mean Triple H marrying Stephanie being an indirect result of the title win? I mean, considering it was established that the title win came first and all...
Yes, that's what I mean.

This whole damn thing is confusing.

[Pepsi Man]

Yes, that's what I mean.

This whole damn thing is confusing.
That's what happens when you're talking about seven years ago.:p

[Lara Emily]

WWF never had title changes and then refused to admit them.

Inoki vs Backlund.

[Kane Knight]

Inoki vs Backlund.

Already covered.

[Savio]

STILL, it made sense, moreso than an actor randomly being on the show one night and pinning someone OTHER THAN THE CHAMPION...in a TAG TEAM MATCH.No he was on for a few shows before that.