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Heyman
02-04-2004, 05:10 PM
Some *THOUGHTS* on RVD, Taker, Kane, Matt Hardy, Christian, etc.

-I have come to the realization that RVD will probably never main-event in the WWE EVER, but "why" is this exactly? RVD may not have the greatest mic skills, but neither does Brock Lesnar. RVD may not be a 'homegrown' WWF talent, but neither were Big Show or Chris Jericho. RVD may not be the greatest technical wrestler, but neither was a guy like Hulk Hogan. Austin was also not that great when he first became champ in 98'. I think it's a damn shame that RVD may never be put in a position to DRAW for the company. But oh well.

-Anyone else see Matt Hardy and Christian becoming friends in the not-so-distant future? Here's what I think we may see: Matt Hardy continues his losing streak . Finally - Matt decides to try and 'get back' with Lita.......but Lita turns him down. Lita also reveales that she has found someone else (and Matt feuds with this 'someone else' and JOBS to him). Meanwhile, Christian has just feuded with Jericho/Trish and has come up short. Matt Hardy and Christian will then somehow form an alliance with one another. Both men will be insecure, and will have negative attitudes towards women. Christian and Matt can both go for the tag team titles at times as well (sort of like the 'old' Jericho/Christian team).

-How long will this whole 'Taker stalking Kane' thing last? I mean - it's great right now because it's so new, but will we see this week-in, week-out? How many times will the fans' 'mark out' when the ring gets struck by lightning and the lights go out? If this keeps happening, won't the fans lose interest? Perhaps one can argue that Taker will have to 'reveal himself' pretty soon. The question however - is what do they do with the Taker/Kane feud then?

And argument can be made that the longer they 'hold off' the confrontation between Taker/Kane, the more fan interest it will have at Mania'. However - the 'novelty' of Taker stalking Kane may start to get tiresome as well.......the fans of the WWE aren't exactly a patient bunch. WHAT WOULD U DO?

-Speaking of Kane, how would you like to see HIM as a WORLD champion not too far from now? A victory over oldschool Undertaker at Wrestlemania would really give him some good momentum (he would also be the guy to end Taker's amazing streak). 2 months after Wrestlemania, perhaps Kane can defeat Benoit to become World Champion? Kane then becomes the new heel champ.

(As far as Benoit goes, perhaps he can pin HBK at Mania during the triple threat match, and then defeat HBK a month later in a one-on-one rematch. Also during this time, Benoit has random matches with Jericho, RVD, and Booker T and retains his title).

-Triple H returns as a face. He feuds with Randy Orton and Evolution at first. Once that has concluded, perhaps a face Triple H can go after a heel Kane (what everyone wants to see. :roll: -).

-Meanwhile, Kane will have scored victories over Benoit, Jericho, RVD, etc. to make himself look totally awesome. I'm thinking that a few months after this (or towards the end of the year), Kane can slowly start turning face. Orton can then be elevated to main-event status and feud with Kane (and maybe win the title?). I think Kane would make a decent heel champion. He has the interest of the marks' with his gimmick, and is also a decent wrestler for a big man. Truth be told, I was actually enjoying his match with Goldberg the other night. :eek:


-Does anyone else think that he could work as a face? Almost a parallel to Goldberg's current gimmick (or old gimmick) where he squashes heel opponents.

-Lastly, I think it's stupid how Raw has CLEARLY been made to look superior to Smackdown in recent weeks. Benoit challenges Triple H (in his eyes, the 'worthy' World Champion). Matt Hardy's 'losing streak' on Raw (and where the commentators note that he is no longer on Smackdown.....he's playing with "the big boys" now).

Seriously; if the WWE are going to act like cunts and belittle Smackdown like this, then they might as well make Smackdown the "new" Sunday Night Heat (Thursday night Heat) where they put all of their up-coming and NON-over "talent" there (and put "all the eggs in one basket" on Raw).

Hardcore Legend
02-04-2004, 06:10 PM
-I have come to the realization that RVD will probably never main-event in the WWE EVER, but "why" is this exactly? RVD may not have the greatest mic skills, but neither does Brock Lesnar. RVD may not be a 'homegrown' WWF talent, but neither were Big Show or Chris Jericho. RVD may not be the greatest technical wrestler, but neither was a guy like Hulk Hogan. Austin was also not that great when he first became champ in 98'. I think it's a damn shame that RVD may never be put in a position to DRAW for the company. But oh well.

Probly just down to Vinnie Mc's fetish for guys that weigh over 270lbs, it's sad that a guy with so much talent has gone to waste. Unfortunately Vince seems to make a habit of building guys up & pushing them so far, then deciding he doesn't want them to get bigheaded so he puts them back in the mid-card (see Y2J - undisputed champ to love-sick puppy). I just hope a certain Royal Rumble winner won't end up going the same way .....

The CyNick
02-04-2004, 06:49 PM
--Its sad about RVD, but thats just the WWE for ya. They have a guy who the fans like, who might be able to draw, and nothing happens. I think he'll end up signing a new contract, but its clear he sin't going anywhere.

--I think Chrsitian is in line for a big singles push. I think he'll be the IC champ level heel just behind Orton. Orton will be a main event guy who happens to be the IC champ, but I think Christian will fall in just below him. I think the fued with Jericho will do a lot of good for his career, win lose or draw. Matt on the other hand is kinda lost, I really dont understand why he was moved to RAW (I mean I know it was because of Lita), I think they would have been better off keeping him on SD. He should be a face, the fans like him, but they want him to be heel, who knows why.

--Ive said before, I dont think Taker should be on TV. I think there is enough freaky stuff they can do to make people wet themselves at the prospect of seeing Taker at Mania. I have a friend who I would consider a very casual fan, he seen the stuff on RAW and he's ready to drop $50 on Mania (and keep in mind to the best of my knowledge he's never ordered any wrestling PPV), os if you give away Taker on TV for free, people like that will have less reason to order Mania. Plus, as Ive said before, the minute we see Kane and Taker throw punches we will see the con and people will not be impressed by the prospect of seeing them wrestle at Mania.

There is still plenty that can be done. You still need to hear Taker's voice at some point (I would do this at No Way Out with Kane as an invited guest), they still have to set up how contractually they will get a RAW guy to face a SD guy. Vince will likely get invoved, so there is still tons of stuff to do, and they only need to kill 6 weeks, thats not difficult.

I'm virtually 100% sure Taker is winning at Mania. The last word I heard Taker-Kane was scheduled to go on last at Mania, I dont think they would have Taker return as the Deadman and lose his first match back.

Not sure what they have planned for Kane long term. Maybe the fued with Taker will be a long term deal.

Apocolyptik1
02-04-2004, 07:00 PM
-I have come to the realization that RVD will probably never main-event in the WWE EVER, but "why" is this exactly? RVD may not have the greatest mic skills, but neither does Brock Lesnar. RVD may not be a 'homegrown' WWF talent, but neither were Big Show or Chris Jericho. RVD may not be the greatest technical wrestler, but neither was a guy like Hulk Hogan. Austin was also not that great when he first became champ in 98'. I think it's a damn shame that RVD may never be put in a position to DRAW for the company. But oh well.

This is more then likely my opinion totally, but whenever I see guys that use Karate/Judo/Martial Arts in the WWE you can gaurantee them to not get very far. Rob is over with the fans obviously but what I mean is more like the WWE staff.

I am going to get serious here and see how many people actually make fun of me. Everyone on Earth knows that wrestling is fake, but I will get back to this later.

I am a huge fan of UFC, and it is a known fact in UFC that if you put a guy that is Martial Arts oriented into the octagon with a guy that is a grappler/dirty boxer, the martial arts guy will loose badly (exception Horace Grace, spelling?).

When I watch WWE, knowing full well that it is fake, I get a sense that Vince tries to make it seem more real then it is. If you pit Kane against Spike Dudley in a real fight, Kane is going to beat the shit out of him. Going with this kind of thinking, I have begun to see why Vince likes these big guys. He just wants it to seem a bit more serious rather then it being off-the-wall lunacy.

Anyone remember back in the WCW days when Rey Mysterio feuded with Nash and Rey always seemed to pull out the victory until their final match?
No one believed that Rey could actually kick Kevin Nash's ass no matter how much faster Rey was, so that angle was god awful.

When I see a wrestler that uses Martial Arts, I think along the same lines. I have wanted to start a thread over Who in the WWE would actually win in a real fight, but havent gotten around to it. I think it would be like the greatest thing in the world to throw SCSA in the octagon with someone like Ken Shamrock/Stever Blackman and actually see if he is such a big ole badass. I think SCSA would get the shit kicked out of him.

Maybe I should start the thread huh?

Loose Cannon
02-04-2004, 07:04 PM
Yeah they really need to push Hardy right now. I don't know why they are jobbing him left and right on Raw. IMO, he has one of the best characters in the whole WWE right now and can get really over with the fans if they would just give him the mic. I think if Benoit has no heel to wrestle on Raw after he wins the title, he should be put into a mini feud with Hardy. Thats' if Trips is not around of course. But I think a feud like that would be alright as it would do wonders for Hardy and it would just make Benoit look like a "fighting" champion who defends against all comers. Hardy would have to get a few wins before this though, but if he could act like Cena did last year with Lesner and just demand a title shot. Or they could put Christian with Benoit too. And this would just be a little mini feud, nothing big, until maybe Trips or Kane come into the picture.

BLaZeR-
02-04-2004, 07:45 PM
Matt Hardy should have had the US or IC title by now, instead of Orton who's on the verge of making me change the channel when I see him.

Corkscrewed
02-04-2004, 11:56 PM
Well, all I have to say is that Vince's hard-on for RAW is really starting to get annoying.

The CyNick
02-05-2004, 12:02 AM
Didn't get to finish something:

About Smackdown, I think they are trying to make the RAW show superior for the build to Mania, because they have a belief that RAW is the key show.

However, the ratings for RAW went down this week, which to me is just scary. I mean they had this awesome show last week with the awesome Foley promo, the shock of Benoit coming to RAW, and the Taker-Kane and Goldberg-Lesnar teasing. Yet the ratings went nearly 10%

Smackdown has consistantly been getting much more viewers than RAW does week in and week out, so even though they may be trying to stack RAW, the viewers aren't following, and they are watching SD more than RAW, so I guess it doesn't really matter.

The CyNick
02-05-2004, 12:27 AM
This is more then likely my opinion totally, but whenever I see guys that use Karate/Judo/Martial Arts in the WWE you can gaurantee them to not get very far. Rob is over with the fans obviously but what I mean is more like the WWE staff.

I am going to get serious here and see how many people actually make fun of me. Everyone on Earth knows that wrestling is fake, but I will get back to this later.

I am a huge fan of UFC, and it is a known fact in UFC that if you put a guy that is Martial Arts oriented into the octagon with a guy that is a grappler/dirty boxer, the martial arts guy will loose badly (exception Horace Grace, spelling?).

When I watch WWE, knowing full well that it is fake, I get a sense that Vince tries to make it seem more real then it is. If you pit Kane against Spike Dudley in a real fight, Kane is going to beat the shit out of him. Going with this kind of thinking, I have begun to see why Vince likes these big guys. He just wants it to seem a bit more serious rather then it being off-the-wall lunacy.

Anyone remember back in the WCW days when Rey Mysterio feuded with Nash and Rey always seemed to pull out the victory until their final match?
No one believed that Rey could actually kick Kevin Nash's ass no matter how much faster Rey was, so that angle was god awful.

When I see a wrestler that uses Martial Arts, I think along the same lines. I have wanted to start a thread over Who in the WWE would actually win in a real fight, but havent gotten around to it. I think it would be like the greatest thing in the world to throw SCSA in the octagon with someone like Ken Shamrock/Stever Blackman and actually see if he is such a big ole badass. I think SCSA would get the shit kicked out of him.

Maybe I should start the thread huh?

I have friends who say they get turned off when they see a guy like Spike go toe to toe with a guy like Kane. They say it makes no sense, and its an insult for them to believe that a guy his size could take out Kane.

Of course at the same time, other people will say size doesn't matter and a small guy can beat a big guy in a real fight. I think that can be true, but its not believable in wrestling. I mean I'm a huge MMA fan, and I recall some of the matches form old UFC days where a small dude would beat a bigger guy. But, usually that was because the big guy was unskilled, and he would get taken down and exposed. If we are to believe that all these WWE wrestlers are trained, then skill is kinda taklen away, and then it become pretty unbelievable that Spike could defeat Kane in a fight.

The deal you brought up about Austin in the UFC is pretty irrelevant. I dont think Austin has ever said he's actually the toughest man in the world. I mean Dennis Haysbert claims to be the President on 24, but I dont think he tries to walk into the White House at night and say "I'm the President, I live here". Its all entertainment.

So yeah, Austin would get killed by virtually anyone in the UFC/Pride/K-1, but is that really a shock to anyone?

The only guys who might have a shot are the ones with amatuer wrestling backgrounds. Angle, Lesnar, Shelton might have a shot because they can take people down. The question is though, do they have any punching power, and more importantly how good is their submission game. Kurt said himself that he would get owned by the kids going in Olympic wrestling, and thats something he's done and done better than anyone else. If he were to try something he's never done (like MMA), I'm sure he would get killed, but he might put up a fight. Same goes for Lesnar and Shelton.

Big Show might have a chance just because he's so big, but its been proven a number of times in just the last months or so that being big means nothing in the world of MMA. Butterbean got rocked in a fight, so did the dude who was fighting Bob Sapp, so that tells me that Show would get killed as well.

Vega
02-05-2004, 01:41 AM
RVD is rumored to be happy and is "going to sign again" after having his doubts. The WWE must have promised him something good in return for his resigning, and I'd bet it's a world title run sometime in the next couple years.

Imagi-Nation
02-05-2004, 06:10 AM
Matt Hardy should have had the US or IC title by now, instead of Orton who's on the verge of making me change the channel when I see him.

damn straight :y:
Orton is a stupid useless motherf*cker