The Offical ECW on Sci-Fi Thread - June 13, 2006

[JT]

A Celebration
By Brett Hoffman
June 13, 2006

Tonight, the new breed will be unleashed. At 10/9 CT, ECW will make its debut on the Sci-Fi channel. As announced last night on RAW, Paul Heyman and Rob Van Dam will officially celebrate the rechristening of the WWE Championship as the new ECW World Heavyweight Championship, and everyone is invited.

What exactly the rechristening will entail is anyone’s guess. One thing is for sure though, RAW’s Edge, who is the No. 1 contender and will face RVD at Vengeance, along with Lita has accepted Paul Heyman’s invitation to appear at the world premiere. In addition, former WWE Champion John Cena has vowed to be there as well. After what Cena did last night on RAW, taking out three members of Team ECW with a steel chair, you can be sure Heyman will have the entire ECW locker room on watch.

What will happen when the most extreme form of wrestling returns to national television? What will John Cena and Edge have to say when Rob Van Dam is named the new ECW World Heavyweight Champion? History will be made tonight and the only way to see it is to tune in live to the Sci Fi channel tonight at 10/9 CT.

[JT]

I know I'm doing this a little early, but I want the ECW thread. This is the first wrestling show I've been hyped about in a very long time, and this is a company which I have been dieing to see return for a long time now...so I'm taking the thread! :mad:

[Xero]

EC-DUB! EC-DUB! EC-DUB! EC-DUB!

[Innovator]

ECW! ECW! ECW! ECW! ECW!

[Xero]

FUCK STAR TREK! FUCK STAR TREK! FUCK STAR TREK!

[crash99]

I got back into wrestling too late to really see ECW, so I never really got into it. However, I know this is going to be different, but I am excited to see it this time around, and hope it comes off well.

[St. Jimmy]

i still wish it was after the smackdown tapings, and someone had the sign with all the spoilers. that would be super-hot.

[Xero]

i still wish it was after the smackdown tapings, and someone had the sign with all the spoilers. that would be super-hot.
SPOILERS: Rey Mysterio Whores Himself

[Xero]

Have the ECW theme on a loop.

:cool:

[St. Jimmy]

is it 1 hour or 2 hours?

[Xero]

One.

[loopydate]

One hour.

[St. Jimmy]

=/ that is sad. also i am much tempted to read the spoilers... RAWR.

[rob11]

I am not reading the spoilers. Very rare for me to ignore spoilers and watch the taped show but I am this time. Putting the ECW theme on loop now too Xero.

[Crimson]

Im not liking all this Cena and Edge or any other RAW "superstar" on the ECW show. Hopefully it is only to hype their ppv and that's it, after Vengeance I don't wanna see all these wrestlers jumping around from show to show.

I think it is only an hour long for now, but within a few months i'm sure it'll go to 2.

[rob11]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-DVCmNmJYFw&search=ecw%20sandman
Maybe Metallica will lower their price eventually? He needs that music.

[rob11]

Im not liking all this Cena and Edge or any other RAW "superstar" on the ECW show. Hopefully it is only to hype their ppv and that's it, after Vengeance I don't wanna see all these wrestlers jumping around from show to show.

I think it is only an hour long for now, but within a few months i'm sure it'll go to 2.
I think it is ok to have the series start with main WWE guys to get marks to watch, but eventually of course, they need to eventually become totally seperate with rare exceptions.

[McLegend]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-DVCmNmJYFw&search=ecw%20sandman
Maybe Metallica will lower their price eventually? He needs that music.
That's awsome

[Boondock Saint]

Yeah I'll prolly not read spoilers for ECW like I do for SD, since it's on the same night it's taped and all.

Prettyy pumped for this. Lets hope its good shit.

[Azriel]

One hour? Let's hope it's good.

[Innovator]

EEEEEXIT LIGHT


EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENTERRRRRRRRRRR NIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT

[rob11]

Ugh, I hope Sci-Fi doesn't edit the crowd chants. Alot of the fun in an ECW event is hearing the creative crowd chants.

[Azriel]

Never having the chance to really see ECW, I am pumped as well

[rob11]

Never having the chance to really see ECW, I am pumped as well
I used to watch it on WGTW channel 48 Philly. I remember seeing 911 chokeslamming someone and just getting hooked from there.

[St. Jimmy]

LMAO they showed the shirt being thrown back <3!

[Azriel]

Here we go! Lets hope after Vengance this ECW/WWE Invasion will end and ECW will be on its own

[St. Jimmy]

Paul has the Belt. <3

[UmbrellaCorporation]

New title. :heart:

[Skippord]

BURN THE BELT

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Oh MAN, is it good to see that belt again, or what?

[6to1]

i still say it is piper or maby scott hall are the best never to have the belt.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

LOL @ RVD.

"I wanna keep this one too."

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Edge! :love:

[Skippord]

:rofl: RVD

[Azriel]

Hmm, keeping both belts. Wonder what that means? :roll:

[St. Jimmy]

wtf @ the Raw Logo... =/

[Skippord]

Litas tits on display

[Azriel]

GORE! GORE! Erm, I mean SPEAR! SPEAR!

[crash99]

SPEAR TO RVD!!!

[Watson]

Yeah, that spear wasn't obvious. :shifty:

[UmbrellaCorporation]

LOL, did Lita just see Cena behind Edge three times, and still turned around?

[St. Jimmy]

=/ fuck cena and edge.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

*marks out for Al Snow*

[St. Jimmy]

that was retarded.

[rob11]

Ugh, I hope they don't make a habit of making WWE guys have their feuds on the ECW show. Anyway, so I guess a triple threat at Vengence.

[Azriel]

Lita was busting out all over

[Azriel]

Ehmm, I don't think so rob.








Take it from some one who read the spoilers. What? I was weak.

[Boondock Saint]

This crowd sucks so far and I wish they used the ECW theme for the opening, not that fucking Drowning Pool song. So sick of that.

[Vazz]

Ugh.. taping ECW with Smackdown was a TERRIBLE idea... The audience sucks. :nono:
Or Sci Fi is editing the audience but I think it's because it's more smackdown fans than ecw fans.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Oh man, I hope they bring back the TV title.

[rob11]

WTF

[UmbrellaCorporation]

THE ZOMBIE



ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL :lol:

[St. Jimmy]

LMAO... THE ZOMBIE?!

[JT]

lol...the zombie

I think this is a superstar mark

[crash99]

The Zombie? Please.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Hey, this guy has the same mic skills as Khali.

[St. Jimmy]

is that Warrior? :lol:

[Azriel]

There's Sci Fi for you :lol:

[6to1]

well this sucks this guy needs davari as his manager.

[Skippord]

*MARKOUT* for the zombie

[UmbrellaCorporation]

The Zombie needs to go over Sandman cleanly.

[Watson]

is that Warrior? :lol:

My thoughts exactly.

[Ninti the Mad]

ROFL Zombie threw the best promo EVER

[Vazz]

Zombie's voice is less annoying than Stephanie Mcmahon at least... :shifty:

Ugh still no Sandman music... God I had high hopes for the new ECW too. :foc:

[UmbrellaCorporation]

lol, that was a match?

[6to1]

bye zombie

[rob11]

Damn, I have a sinking feeling this is going to fail unless they start having the shows in small arenas and less of these storylines.

[St. Jimmy]

.... kay?

[UmbrellaCorporation]

He's a Zombie. He can not be stopped by a Kendo stick. Only decapitation.

[CYCLOPTERSAURUS]

Hahaha, good match

[Skippord]

Zombie vs Taker fued

[Skippord]

HOT

[UmbrellaCorporation]

DX promo, :love:

[St. Jimmy]

a diva who is straight to the fucking point... nice <3

[Azriel]

Thank you Sandman.

Man, this girl is mondo :drool: Witness though the double standard of broadcast television

[Skippord]

I think I'm in love...well at least part of me

[CYCLOPTERSAURUS]

I seriously thought she was a cardboard cutout until she started talking.

[crash99]

Who was that? She was hot.

[St. Jimmy]

i wonder if Sci-Fi is watching thier Neilsen box right now and going "what the... has that Red Light ever been on before?"

[6to1]

i thought jazz was there diva.

[Azriel]

Yep, all the violence you want, jus don't swear or show boobs :roll:

[Vazz]

I seriously thought she was a cardboard cutout until she started talking.
Good, I thought I was the only one. :D

[Skippord]

Barbie Blank

[Steve The Pirate]

Hah hah hah harrrr, this be a pathetic show.

[rob11]

Ok, I think the Zombie has potential on Raw. He can just wonder around backstage, and just randomly appearing. Like during interviews have him just walk past the camera, and during jobber matches, just have him wonder into the ring and just have the wrestlers look at him with a wtf look.

[St. Jimmy]

... they're just gonna show the Lawler/Taz match........ :wtf:

[crash99]

What's the point of this?

[CYCLOPTERSAURUS]

ECW seriously needs at least one good, decent length match on this show, preferably a cruiserweight match.

Why are they showing this whole match from ONS?

[rob11]

I really doubt Heyman wrote this episode. Reeks of WWE writing.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Angle. :love:

[crash99]

Kurt Angle, hopefully he can spice things up a bit.

[Skippord]

I really want to nail Barbie Blank

[Xerzes]

Yay for not editing chants. Lawler does, in fact, suck dick.

[St. Jimmy]

.... WHERE IS HIS OLD MUSIC?!

[Azriel]

oh, trust me, they'll have something decent at the end.

[St. Jimmy]

god-damnit. this is the most watered down bullshit i've ever watched.

[Skippord]

Angle Anihilates Credible

[Steve The Pirate]

This be remindin me of an already sinkin ship. T'is called TNA.

[rob11]

I am still shaking my head. I don't see any of the things that made ECW great, at least yet.

[CYCLOPTERSAURUS]

Great, they just had a former WWE guy squash a former ECW world champ. How the hell are they gonna get these ECW guys over if they just job all the time?

[crash99]

Not really digging this show. Two weak matches in a half an hour.

[Azriel]

Woah, Kurt Angle unleashed. I love it. When Benoit heals, he needs to jump to ECW

[rob11]

oh, trust me, they'll have something decent at the end.
They better. This is just terrible. This could be shorter lived than Regal and his manly man gimmick.

[rob11]

Ok, the battle royal has some potential.

[owenbrown]

is that Warrior? :lol:

lmfao thats who I thought it was :rofl:

[St. Jimmy]

oh... ANOTHER ECW vs. WWE MATCH?! OH JOY!... :nono:

[crash99]

Is this ECW, or just another show to promote Vengeance?

[Xerzes]

Boo clusterfuck. Boo.

[Skippord]

I REALLY REALLY REALLY LIKE KELLY

[Azriel]

Like I said, hopefully after Vengance things will pick up. After all, they only got an hour to work with.

[Boondock Saint]

The ending will still not be an excuse for the first 45 mins. Christ.

[Azriel]

Skippord, thats an understatement on my part :drool:

[CYCLOPTERSAURUS]

enough fucking recaps, they only have a fucking hour, use it. Christ.

[Skippord]

Gangrel?

[St. Jimmy]

JESUS CHRIST, THAT WAS LIKE 20 MINUTES AGO! We didn't fucking forget....

[rob11]

Now they have the Vampire. This is terrible. This is 2001 invasion ECW, not real ECW.

[6to1]

Like I said, hopefully after Vengance things will pick up. After all, they only got an hour to work with.
old ecw was only an hour and tna can do it.

[Steve The Pirate]

Diet Raw.

[Skippord]

*Boner*

[St. Jimmy]

a new breed undressed.

[Skippord]

NEED NEW PANTS

[St. Jimmy]

lol. wtf. her fake nail fell off, and she can't undo a bra to save her life.

[CYCLOPTERSAURUS]

Is that it? God. Jesus. Didn't make an angle out of it or anything. RIP ECW.

[Savio]

she should hook up with luger.

[Azriel]

Kimona's strip was better.

[McLegend]

It's gonna be rough for the first few weeks. Relax

[Vazz]

This show made me depressed... :(
How could they do the ppv's so good and then totally fuck up the tv show so hard... :nono:

[St. Jimmy]

Yeah, I'm really trying to love this... but i'm not. Unless something AMAZING happens, like the Dudleys magically run out, or Steve Corino comes out and attacks Van Dam, I'm just gonna stop trying not to shit all over this show.

[Azriel]

Guys, Rome wasn't built in a day. One show doth not a brand make.

[crash99]

Maybe this main event can save things.

[rob11]

It's gonna be rough for the first few weeks. Relax
This is beyond rough. If I wanted a 2nd rate show, I can tune in Friday night.

[Skippord]

Hey Trinity

[Pepsi Man]

It won't. Big Show will come out and dominate. There are only ten minutes left.

[crash99]

I REALLY hope Big Show does not win this match.

[DS]

This show just can't go wrong by you, can it Azriel?

[FearedSanctity]

The crowd just completly kills the mood of the show. This taping before/after Smackdown isn't gonna work, ECW needs to be kept in small venues with ECW fans, not a big arena with 12 year old Cena fans

[Schoenauer]

I'm going to give ECW about two months and I'll decide from there on.

[6to1]

this looks more like the new xfl vince set this up to fail.

[Boondock Saint]

Just like any debut for a new show, the "pilot" needs to hook the audience and make them want to come back for more, keep watching. This show has not done that, at all.

[McLegend]

This is beyond rough. If I wanted a 2nd rate show, I can tune in Friday night.
It's not gonna be the old ECW.

Give it time.

[St. Jimmy]

okay, i marked out for Roadkill, and then hit the TV from ANOTHER FUCKING COMMERCIAL. Fuck Sci-Fi.

[Pepsi Man]

Okay, Vince. We get it. WWE > ECW.

[rob11]

The crowd just completly kills the mood of the show. This taping before/after Smackdown isn't gonna work, ECW needs to be kept in small venues with ECW fans, not a big arena with 12 year old Cena fans
Yep, agreed 100 percent.

[ClockShot]

Evening gentlemen. Sorry I'm late. Saw the whole show. Only missed who was the chick with F.B.I.?

[Vazz]

Trinity's outfit is quite nice. :kiss: :drool:

I wanna see them use Big Show's power and have him smash people through tables.

And for those saying it's okay, it's just the first show... That's really no excuse for this mess seriously. I'll continue watching and hope for the best though. Hopefully it picks up after Vengeance.

[Azriel]

Eh, many crappy shows of RAW have desensitized me. Trying to be optimistic too. This is only the first episode and hopefully when this ECW/WWE shit ends, we'll get to the good stuff

[rob11]

It's not gonna be the old ECW.

Give it time.
It also can't be a 2nd rate show with WWE guys completely dominating everyone. I bet the show they will have at the ECW arena coming up will be sweet, but I think the crowd will help there.

[Boondock Saint]

I believe it was Trinity. Not positive since she looked hot here, and rather manly in TNA.

[CYCLOPTERSAURUS]

I was hoping they would start to try to build some credibility for these unknown ECW guys. I guess they still might, but it looks like Show will clean house. Sandman was ok, but he beat THE ZOMBIE. Then there was that softcore porn - I assumed somebody was gonna come out and stop it, some new heel or something. Maybe CM Punk. But she couldn't even get her bra off, and it just ended. And Angle squashes Justin. If he had gotten a LITTLE offense in, it would have been much better, because the casual fan would see that these ECW guys weren't just hasbeen wannabe WWE guys. And these replays from ONS and from 20 minutes previous?

They should have had at least one good WRESTLING match. This isn't really differentiating itself from WWE. The first show should have had at least something really special to get people hooked.

[ClockShot]

Damn that was Trinity. She looked good! Anywho, I was banking on sending Sabu over to kill Cena next week. Looks like Big Show got the job.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

I still have high hopes for this. It could've been FAR worse.


And yeah, I thought the zombie was pretty hilarious. :D

[loopydate]

I'm pretty underwhelmed by this show so far. It's been...okay, but they would have been much better off taping after SmackDown, so all the 12-year-old fans could leave the arena to the real fans. There are enough of them there, but they're getting drowned out by the girlish squeals of delight every time WWE comes on.

[St. Jimmy]

so show or sabu to win this...

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Sabu FTW.

[Boondock Saint]

I mean, I'll keep watching since I do think it HAS potential and I'm a fan. But I'm saying for new viewers and ECW/wrestling fans who stopped watching when it stopped being "cool", and they tune into this, nothing here will bring them back week after week.

[St. Jimmy]

Sabu and Cena is watchable?

[ClockShot]

YES! SABU WINS!

[UmbrellaCorporation]

I adore Sabu's theme music.

[loopydate]

The battle royal was easily the highlight of the night. That felt a little more like ECW, although when ECW had clusterfucks like that, it was usually a tag match that degenerated into New Jack stapling people in the face. Nice twist on the Royal Rumble '92 finish with Sabu, Show, and Big Guido.

Oh, and the Zombie promo. Although, I would have marked out if he'd thrown in a "BRAAAAAAAAAAINS!" at the end of it.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

I want to punch that kid behind Styles, wearing the Cena shirt, sticking his tongue out.

[Skippord]

I mean, I'll keep watching since I do think it HAS potential and I'm a fan. But I'm saying for new viewers and ECW/wrestling fans who stopped watching when it stopped being "cool", and they tune into this, nothing here will bring them back week after week.
Kelly

[loopydate]

I adore Sabu's theme music.

Huka Blues is one of my all-time favorite themes. It's one of those themes that absolutely perfectly fits the worker.

[crash99]

This show is not going to stop me from watching ECW, but I have to say I was pretty dissapointed overall. It came off as flat, and just another show produced by the WWE. I'm willing to wait out, as I feel it will get better, but I can't say this was a good start.

[FearedSanctity]

Pretty bad when one of the highlights of a show is a joke wrestler

[Azriel]

Kids should be prohibited from seeing this. They can have their WWE shows, and maybe unfortunately like someone said, I think Vince is secretly sabotaging ECW with this Invasion stuff.

[loopydate]

The Kelly thing was another thing that actually felt ECW. Reminded me of Kimona on top of the ECW Arena. Although, I thought that she was going to get laid out by Jazz or Trinity or someone.

It was sort of like WWE, since WWE tries to be softcore porn sometimes (see: "Wet & Wild" on Monday), but they try to make it pertain to wrestling, even if just a little bit. ECW was more, "Fuck it, you don't care if she can wrestle or act or have any redeeming qualities whatsoever, you just want to see her take her clothes off. So...here's titties!"

[Pepsi Man]

That wasn't ECW. That's what Jerry Lawler advertised. The King was right. Extremely Crappy Wrestling.

I've enjoyed episodes of WCW Worldwide more.

[HaTeR]

I didn't think the show was great, but it wasn't bad, I think it felt different enough from raw and smackdown to get people to tune in next week and so on...

[Shaggy]

all I can say is Fuck this new ECW....from the minute the show kicked off and the arena was shown I was already let down....

The Fact that Cena showed up and wasnt booed out of the damn building also pisses me off....

AND THE FACT THAT THEY MADE JUSTIN FUCKING CREDIBLE JOB TO ANGLE....REALLY PISSES ME OFF....

sorry but just have to vent....why didnt they just call this WWECW

[Crimson]

Wow, the show sucked. Waterd down, had a Velocity feel to it rather than ECW. The WWE writers and Vince need to keep their hands off and give it all to Heyman godamnit, or it won't work.

[Pepsi Man]

The Kelly thing was another thing that actually felt ECW. Reminded me of Kimona on top of the ECW Arena. Although, I thought that she was going to get laid out by Jazz or Trinity or someone.

It was sort of like WWE, since WWE tries to be softcore porn sometimes (see: "Wet & Wild" on Monday), but they try to make it pertain to wrestling, even if just a little bit. ECW was more, "Fuck it, you don't care if she can wrestle or act or have any redeeming qualities whatsoever, you just want to see her take her clothes off. So...here's titties!"
You are correct, actually. Often, Francine would roll around on the mat with a random woman, and Styles would scream "CATFIIIIIGHT!", like only he can, but that was about it in ECW.

[Pepsi Man]

all I can say is Fuck this new ECW....from the minute the show kicked off and the arena was shown I was already let down....

The Fact that Cena showed up and wasnt booed out of the damn building also pisses me off....

AND THE FACT THAT THEY MADE JUSTIN FUCKING CREDIBLE JOB TO ANGLE....REALLY PISSES ME OFF....

sorry but just have to vent....why didnt they just call this WWECW
I'm not pissed that Credible jobbed to Angle. I'm pretty hot at the fact that Angle squashed Credible.

[CYCLOPTERSAURUS]

After this mexicools vs london/kendrick feud, they need to send Crazy and Psicosis to ECW. And Kid Kash. And Nova.

They just need to get away from this "Sabu, Sandman, some WWE guys, and a bunch of jobbers" image people will probably have of it.

[weather vane]

It wasn't amazing or anything but I enjoyed it.

I still have hope for it and it is better than watching Smackdown.

[Corndad]

Quite Dissapointing Show... Only real highlight for me was Angle just owning. Although was Justin Credible, the new Angle is gonna be a beast if they just let him go out and wrestle.

[6to1]

That wasn't ECW. That's what Jerry Lawler advertised. The King was right. Extremely Crappy Wrestling.

I've enjoyed episodes of WCW Worldwide more.
bobby the brain kicked butt on that show

[Xero]

Okay, seriously, they are really fucked if this is the product.

For one, I think it goes without saying that the zombies and the vampires are just fucking retarded. Since Heyman or the WWE can't really do much about it, I hope they turn it into an angle. Bring in another "Network" guy and have him say that they HAVE to have this or that on the show. At least that way they can write it off as an angle and not just leave it at "these things are real".

Secondly, was it REALLY necessary to show the ENTIRE Tazz/Lawler match, INCLUDING THE FUCKING ENTRANCES!? They only have one hour, and they show a throw away match in it's entirety?

Thirdly, the striptease shit was just retarded. I mean, I get WHY they did it (it's theorized that men will stop on whatever tits they pass on the boob tube), but the words "Diva's Search" kept going through my mind during the entire segment.

This show, with exception of Heyman's promos and one or two parts here and there, were clearly WWE scripted, and that is bad news for the brand.

On the other hand, was I the only one to catch (I didn't read the thread) that when Sandman cracked open his beer, that there was a young kid like RIGHT below him?

[rob11]

I found this as a good example of what I mean by good wrestling.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xRGyKGt2kOg&search=ecw

I don't expect the insane hardcore stuff they used to do to happen, but I expect at least good wrestling.

[SecretDesire]

I adore Sabu's theme music.
Agreed:yes:

[rob11]

Okay, seriously, they are really fucked if this is the product.

For one, I think it goes without saying that the zombies and the vampires are just fucking retarded. Since Heyman or the WWE can't really do much about it, I hope they turn it into an angle. Bring in another "Network" guy and have him say that they HAVE to have this or that on the show. At least that way they can write it off as an angle and not just leave it at "these things are real".

Secondly, was it REALLY necessary to show the ENTIRE Tazz/Lawler match, INCLUDING THE FUCKING ENTRANCES!? They only have one hour, and they show a throw away match in it's entirety?

Thirdly, the striptease shit was just retarded. I mean, I get WHY they did it (it's theorized that men will stop on whatever tits they pass on the boob tube), but the words "Diva's Search" kept going through my mind during the entire segment.

This show, with exception of Heyman's promos and one or two parts here and there, were clearly WWE scripted, and that is bad news for the brand.

On the other hand, was I the only one to catch (I didn't read the thread) that when Sandman cracked open his beer, that there was a young kid like RIGHT below him?
Good post. Yeah, I think the Sandman cracking open a beer with a young kid right below him was pretty much one of the main problems. No kids! Kids in the crowd drag an audience down. Especially with ECW. Remember on the Rise and Fall of ECW DVD they kept saying how the crowd was such a huge part of the show, and it was. As a 12-13 year old kid when I started watching ECW, I noticed how great the crowd was. I then turn to Raw and thought, wow, this crowd is dead compared to that ECW crowd who got so involved with chants, and literally involved with handing weapons. Well, if you have a crappy crowd, that just pretty much takes the rug out from underneath the event.

[The Taker]

That wasn't ECW. That's what Jerry Lawler advertised. The King was right. Extremely Crappy Wrestling.

I've enjoyed episodes of WCW Worldwide more.

i agree whole heartly that wasd flat out LAME!!!!!! as far as tazz beating lawler thatwas pathetic hes supposed to be this big bad suplex machine you gotta jump your opponent from behind in order to win pitiful lawler should have dropped tazz on his head and styles as well. big show and kurt angle are not gonna save ecw. ecw should have stayed dead and buried vince is just throwing good money in the toilet and sooner or later its gonna come back and haunt him.EXTREMELY CRAPPY WRESTLING!!!!!!!! INDEED!!!!

[Xero]

Good post. Yeah, I think the Sandman cracking open a beer with a young kid right below him was pretty much one of the main problems. No kids! Kids in the crowd drag an audience down. Especially with ECW. Remember on the Rise and Fall of ECW DVD they kept saying how the crowd was such a huge part of the show. Well, if you have a crappy crowd, that just pretty much takes the rug out from underneath the event.
That's another point I meant to make. This was CLEARLY a WWE crowd. THEY WERE BOOING VAN DAM. They seriously need to tape at the advertised house shows instead of doing this at SmackDown!, maybe a sixth of the crowd even knew that ECW existed before 2001.

[redoneja]

Even though the show wasn't the greatest by any standards, what they say about internet smarks has been proven disgustingly true in this thread.

[Innovator]

Give it 2 months, or at least until they do the taping at the ECW Arena

[Innovator]

WE WANT PUNK DAMMIT!

[Gertner]

ugh how can you have justin Credible job like that to Kurt Angle. They really need to tape this show at a completely different location from raw/smackdown. I don't think half the crowd knew who any of these guys were.


And btw is it me or did Danny Doring get fat?

[rob11]

That's another point I meant to make. This was CLEARLY a WWE crowd. THEY WERE BOOING VAN DAM. They seriously need to tape at the advertised house shows instead of doing this at SmackDown!, maybe a sixth of the crowd even knew that ECW existed before 2001.
True, alot of the kids, and marks remember ECW as the invaders in 2001. I have seen alot say, ECW sucks and I just want to say, you are only old enough to remember crap Invasion ECW in 2001, not what made it great. Alot of them were toddlers when ECW begun it's rise. Alot of them also didn't even get to watch cause it wasn't on TV or didn't get TNN in the latter years. They also don't like long matches with good wrestling. They would rather see Umaga squash a guy in a 2 minute match(2 minutes is stretching it.) Vince needs to make a decision. Cater to the marks, and have ECW be a 2nd rate show to hype Raw and WWE PPV'S, which will get cancelled very fast, or try to appeal to the old ECW crowd and do things the right way by the ways listed in this thread like the small arenas, good wrestling, and no WWE crap.

[Pepsi Man]

Even though the show wasn't the greatest by any standards, what they say about internet smarks has been proven disgustingly true in this thread.
The show fucking sucked. I didn't need the internet or any "smark knowledge" to complain about a show sucking back in the day.

[Shaggy]

I hate the fact that both Angle and Show come over from WWE and they are suddenly big superstars for ECW...I would like it better if they had it so that they were sorta adjusting...like Angle would be trying to wrestle someone like Dreamer or Sandman....but instead of them wrestling Angle back they were just beating the shit out of him with weapons...

Dont get me wrong...I love a good wrestling match as much as the next person...weapons arent really my thing...but still...this is like one brand going into another...there should be some adjusting...

and besides...

Angle didnt want to be in ECW back when it was on its own...having him go to it now just looks like crap...if Angle ends up being called the backbone of ECW...I am gonna stop watching it all together...

[Pepsi Man]

I hate the fact that both Angle and Show come over from WWE and they are suddenly big superstars for ECW...I would like it better if they had it so that they were sorta adjusting...like Angle would be trying to wrestle someone like Dreamer or Sandman....but instead of them wrestling Angle back they were just beating the shit out of him with weapons...

Dont get me wrong...I love a good wrestling match as much as the next person...weapons arent really my thing...but still...this is like one brand going into another...there should be some adjusting...

and besides...

Angle didnt want to be in ECW back when it was on its own...having him go to it now just looks like crap...if Angle ends up being called the backbone of ECW...I am gonna stop watching it all together...
I definitely agree that Show and Angle should've had an "adjustment" phase. Hell, I wouldn't even have minded them winning, as long as they had to put up a real fight to do it.

[rob11]

That's another point I meant to make. This was CLEARLY a WWE crowd. THEY WERE BOOING VAN DAM. They seriously need to tape at the advertised house shows instead of doing this at SmackDown!, maybe a sixth of the crowd even knew that ECW existed before 2001.
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Xero Limit 126 again.

I will give you more rep. as soon as it allows me to again.

[rob11]

Anyway, my grade for the first, ECW on SCI-FI show is an F+. The + was for the Zombie and parts of the battle royal, and just Kurt Angle being there which is always is a +.

[PullMyFinger]

Yeah, um, ECW debut sucked. I lost interest real fast.

Cmon Heat!

[PullMyFinger]

Give it 2 months, or at least until they do the taping at the ECW Arena
But see, people won't wait two months. I used to say the same to TNA fans who would say "yeah but wait for____"

Unfortunately, the world is filled with people that have a lack of patience...including myself. I was flat out bored with this ECW...and was nothing as to what I expected.

Horrid show overall.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Eh. Hopefully it will get better.

I'm looking at this show more as an intro, ala "Hey, these are our wrestlers."

THey seemed more concerned with getting everyone on TV. The show wasn't great, but the booking made sense.

And hell, the first ECW show on TNA was a clip show anyway.

[Bricktop]

Man, I rushed home for this shit? As mentioned countless times before, this show had the stink of wwe writers all over it.

where to start?

First of all the venue is all wrong. The home crowd should not be booing your face champ, except when that home crowd is a bunch of wwe kiddie marks. Brilliant idea there. ECW should only be taped in ECW areas period. Anyone with a third grade education can see that. Apparently Vince can't.

Second Having WWE stars on the show taints any ECW storyline possible. remember when Jerry Lawler first showed up at ECW? It was huge and nearly caused a riot. Now its the norm for John cena and edge show up? Bullshit.

Third. The ECW roster needs to be bigger. 10 guys do not make a brand I'm sorry. I mean add guys like Matt Hardy, bring people up from OV and hire more ECW guys back, because the current roster is way to small.

For god sakes don't let former champs like credible get squashed. How the hell are we supposed to take him serious again if instead of coming out as a former impact player, he comes out as a former member of X-factor, remember them? Neither does half the wrestling fan base.

Unless things change and the ECW brand can govern itself, free of Vince's crappy influence, failure is eminent.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

People, get off Credible being squashed.

Heyman will work it out.

They want to build up Angle as a machine. As an medalist, and as a shooter. They are going to give him the unstoppable treatment for a bit. JC can easily say he didn't know what to expect, and he was expecting WWE Kurt Angle. Instead Kurt started shooting on him, and JC had no amatuer experience. Do some rematches, have JC adapt, learn, and actually start putting up fights against Angle.

Easy equation

Angle=unstoppable because of his different style
Other wrestlers learn and adapt to the style.
Other wrestlers can then compete with Angle.
Other wrestlers look better for it.

[Innovator]

ECW is DEAD

This is WWE presents ECW.

[James Steele]

Kids should be prohibited from seeing this. They can have their WWE shows, and maybe unfortunately like someone said, I think Vince is secretly sabotaging ECW with this Invasion stuff.


1) I agree with you on the kids thing and that they need to just tape the ECW shows at their "house shows" or whatever.

2) Don't even start that bullshit. Do you think Vince McMahon would put a lot of money into this if he just wanted to sabotage it? Vince is going to have to answer to a lot of stock holders, if this fucking bombs he will have a lot of hell to pay on the business end.

[Blitz]

ECW is DEAD

This is WWE presents ECW.
Good lord, were you honestly expecting anything more?

[PullMyFinger]

1) I agree with you on the kids thing and that they need to just tape the ECW shows at their "house shows" or whatever.

2) Don't even start that bullshit. Do you think Vince McMahon would put a lot of money into this if he just wanted to sabotage it? Vince is going to have to answer to a lot of stock holders, if this fucking bombs he will have a lot of hell to pay on the business end.
lol He's not sabotaging it, but at this rate, he better start his apology speech to stock holders for fucking it all up.

[Gertner]

an hour isn't long enough at all

[Xero]

Good lord, were you honestly expecting anything more?
I wasn't, but good Lord I wasn't expecting that pile of garbage.

They managed to cram two RAW's worth of shit into one hour.

[DS]

An hour isn't long enough? Really? I was wanting it to end pretty quickly myself. I think if they keep booking like this then an hour is too much.

[Slappy3000]

an hour isn't long enough at all
That sounds familiar...

[James Steele]

That sounds familiar...


O RLY?

[rob11]

I think we are running into a mark vs smark situation. WWE is trying to appeal to both with ECW but instead, it is boring marks, and pissing off smarks. Yeah, I know, Capt. Obvious. Meh, whatever. I just hope this doesn't continue.

[Corkscrewed]

You at least have some hope that they'll let Heyman do this thing, but nope. This is like what'd happen if they merged Heyman's brain with Johnny Ace.

:(

[KayfabeMan]

WoW. I just had to explain to everyone here that hadn't seen the original ECW that tonight's show was NOT representative of the old company at all. They were all like, "THIS is what they've been making a stink about?".

Oh well, at least I got to educate people on the real ECW. :y:

[weather vane]

HEDUCATE

[Lara Emily]

Great, they just had a former WWE guy squash a former ECW world champ. How the hell are they gonna get these ECW guys over if they just job all the time?


Meh it was Justin Credible, one of the worst ECW Chmaps of all time.

[Boondock Saint]

Yeah, I like Credible and all. But really, he was never that great a wrestler.

[Lara Emily]

Yeah, I like Credible and all. But really, he was never that great a wrestler.

He was great in tag matches but as World Champ, he honestly was boring as shit.

[McLegend]

I always thought his matches with The great Sasuke were good.

[Lara Emily]

I always thought his matches with The great Sasuke were good.

Well Sasuke isn't a legend for nothing. Look I'm not saying he's complete Hacksaw Jim Duggan Tripe, just that he isn't this greatc fantastic former ECW champ that some seem to tout him as.

[Dave Youell]

Yeah I didn't mind Credible really.

Haven't seen the show, just read through it and it sounds shite

[Londoner]

Sounds like a shit show, don't even want to watch it on Sky whenever it is on now.

To me it just appears to be another way to promote Vengeance. Cena and Edge didn't need to be there. If this was meant to really feel like ECW coming back, they don't need WWE guys on there. I thought Heyman was going to be writing the shows? Obviously he didn't have full control.

[Lock Jaw]

Ha ha ha. From the PWInsider epoilers,this happend before the show:

Joey entered the ring. He asked the crowd if they knew tonight was the premiere of ECW. He said there's also a Smackdown taping and asked the ECW fans to keep the risqué chants to a minimum because of the families here to watch Smackdown, then gave an Oh My God!

Joey: There are children in attendence so please, keep the risky chants down... think of the children. Oh hey, now enjoy this strip routine!

[Pepsi Man]

Well Sasuke isn't a legend for nothing. Look I'm not saying he's complete Hacksaw Jim Duggan Tripe, just that he isn't this greatc fantastic former ECW champ that some seem to tout him as.
In terms of being promoted as a top guy, he was. It's not much different from a guy like The Sandman, really. The Sandman will never be confused with a technical wonder in the ring, but he's a five-time former ECW World Heavyweight Champion, and known the world over as the "Extreme Icon". My thing is if Justin was good enough to win the ECW World Heavyweight Title, he should've been good enough to give Kurt a run for his money, at the very least, especially being that it was at "an ECW environment".

[ddpBANG]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-DVCmNmJYFw&search=ecw%20sandman
Maybe Metallica will lower their price eventually? He needs that music.
I just got goosebumps

[Lara Emily]

In terms of being promoted as a top guy, he was. It's not much different from a guy like The Sandman, really. The Sandman will never be confused with a technical wonder in the ring, but he's a five-time former ECW World Heavyweight Champion, and known the world over as the "Extreme Icon". My thing is if Justin was good enough to win the ECW World Heavyweight Title, he should've been good enough to give Kurt a run for his money, at the very least, especially being that it was at "an ECW environment".
Sandman's build up as an ECW Maineventer was a lot stronger than Credible's ever was.

I understand that jobbing him out was probably not the best idea in the world but then again Credible's Crediblity since the death of the real ECW has been nothing short of nil. Maybe i'm just blinded by the fact that I really don't give two shits about JC when he's no tagging with Lance.

From the sounds of the show the squashing of JC is probably the least of the worries ECW fans should have. Let us not forget this is Kurt Angle he got jobbed to, not say Chris Masters, Carlito or some other WWE midcarder.

[Pepsi Man]

Sandman's build up as an ECW Maineventer was a lot stronger than Credible's ever was.

I understand that jobbing him out was probably not the best idea in the world but then again Credible's Crediblity since the death of the real ECW has been nothing short of nil. Maybe i'm just blinded by the fact that I really don't give two shits about JC when he's no tagging with Lance.

From the sounds of the show the squashing of JC is probably the least of the worries ECW fans should have. Let us not forget this is Kurt Angle he got jobbed to, not say Chris Masters, Carlito or some other WWE midcarder.
For all intents and purposes, it might as well have been. Like I said, jobbing him out? Fine. Squashing him? That's where I have a problem with it, and mind you I'm not Justin Credible's biggest fan by a longshot.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

But how did he squash him?

All Kurt did was straight mat wrestling/shooting.

He's an olympic gold medalist. It's not hard to believe that he could take someone apart on the mat without much problem, even if they are a pro-wrestler.

Just wait, kay? There are people who will give Kurt a run for his money, and I bet JC, down the line, will be one of them. Right now, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Angle/Mahoney feud, as Styles always brings up Mahoney's "high school wrestling."

[Pepsi Man]

But how did he squash him?

All Kurt did was straight mat wrestling/shooting.

He's an olympic gold medalist. It's not hard to believe that he could take someone apart on the mat without much problem, even if they are a pro-wrestler.

Just wait, kay? There are people who will give Kurt a run for his money, and I bet JC, down the line, will be one of them. Right now, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Angle/Mahoney feud, as Styles always brings up Mahoney's "high school wrestling."
Oh, okay. Someone that hasn't been on television in years and who we're supposed to see as a credible wrestler (no pun intended) is someone that Kurt can take apart without much problem, but every new talent and random jobber Kurt challenged in the Angle Invitational came within seconds of beating him? I mean, a fucking retard DID beat him, but yet he can "take apart" Justin Credible no problem? I'm sorry, but that's a huge slap in the face to ECW.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Angle Invitation Kurt was wrestling a "WWE" style.

Now he's doing more of a shoot style. Granted, he COULD have done that in WWE in theory, but the way they want you to believe it is that this is the NEW Kurt ANgle, wrestling his way, not held back, which means he's shooting, and that's his style. It's a style that pro-wrestlers aren't really used to.

Look at it this way. If someone like Chuck Liddel or misc other random MMA guy came into WWE/ECW and squashed a guy, would that be a slap in the face? HEll, Shamrock did it for awhile in WWF.

And assuming Kurt stays in "ECW" how is it a slap in their face? A wrestler who they're trying to make the face of the new ECW was shooting on a guy and choked him out.

Booking wise, this makes perfect sense.

[Batsu]

ECW would be better if they taped it either after SmackDown, or at a house show...

Because that crowd compared to the PPV sucked.

"Kelly" (aka should be on Raw or Smackdown, as she was a fake Torrie Wilson) coming out to no retribution (like the "WWE"-like Zombie character getting destroyed by Sandman as a nice Heyman-ish tongue-in-cheek touch) sucked.

The Angle squash was pretty bad. I mean, I like Angle, but that should have been against a random jobber.

Too much "WWE" in that show... it was like the greatest fears of ECW fans put into one show.

Any time ECW fans have to be restrained in chants.... it isn't ECW.

[Batsu]

The Kelly thing was another thing that actually felt ECW. Reminded me of Kimona on top of the ECW Arena. Although, I thought that she was going to get laid out by Jazz or Trinity or someone.

That would have made so much sense.

Since Kelly looked very much like a "WWE" random chick, I was expecting Jazz to come out and whoop her much like Sandman does the "WWE" like gimmick characters.

It reminded me of how Taz would destroy those body builder looking wrestlers purported to be from "The WWF".

[Pepsi Man]

Angle Invitation Kurt was wrestling a "WWE" style.

Now he's doing more of a shoot style. Granted, he COULD have done that in WWE in theory, but the way they want you to believe it is that this is the NEW Kurt ANgle, wrestling his way, not held back, which means he's shooting, and that's his style. It's a style that pro-wrestlers aren't really used to.

Look at it this way. If someone like Chuck Liddel or misc other random MMA guy came into WWE/ECW and squashed a guy, would that be a slap in the face? HEll, Shamrock did it for awhile in WWF.

And assuming Kurt stays in "ECW" how is it a slap in their face? A wrestler who they're trying to make the face of the new ECW was shooting on a guy and choked him out.

Booking wise, this makes perfect sense.
Yeah, Shamrock did the same thing to random jobbers. How's he "not being held back" when all those moves are legal in the WWE? (Even that "choke" wasn't a choke in the blatant illegal choke sense.) I'm sorry, but you're not selling me on this.

[Lara Emily]

For all intents and purposes, it might as well have been. Like I said, jobbing him out? Fine. Squashing him? That's where I have a problem with it, and mind you I'm not Justin Credible's biggest fan by a longshot.

True enough, I'm just gonna go on a limb and assume that JC is not going to be an impact player in this the new ECW.

[Pepsi Man]

True enough, I'm just gonna go on a limb and assume that JC is not going to be an impact player in this the new ECW.
Well, if this is how he fares against the WWE's best, then I certainly hope not.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Yeah, Shamrock did the same thing to random jobbers. How's he "not being held back" when all those moves are legal in the WWE? (Even that "choke" wasn't a choke in the blatant illegal choke sense.) I'm sorry, but you're not selling me on this.

Meh, to each their own.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not thrilled with it myself.

But booking wise, it makes sense. At least to me.

[Lara Emily]

Well, if this is how he fares against the WWE's best, then I certainly hope not.

Likewise mostly because I think as a solo guy he's bland as shit. Now if Storm agrees to come back then we have something for him to do.

[Pepsi Man]

Likewise mostly because I think as a solo guy he's bland as shit. Now if Storm agrees to come back then we have something for him to do.
If he needs a tag team partner, he could always be paired with someone else. Don't get me wrong, as I'm a fan of Lance Storm as well. I just don't see Lance as the only possible tag team partner for the man who tells people that he's not just the coolest, nor is he just the best.

[Lara Emily]

If he needs a tag team partner, he could always be paired with someone else. Don't get me wrong, as I'm a fan of Lance Storm as well. I just don't see Lance as the only possible tag team partner for the man who tells people that he's not just the coolest, nor is he just the best.


True. I was just a huge Impact Player fan heh.

[Lara Emily]

actially let me ask a question when JC came out and such did they tout him as a former ECW champion and such?

[RVDmark]

This show has made me want to ban my girlfriend from wearing any WWE merchandise just so that there is one thing left that I love without a WWE logo on it. (Yup Vince already branded my penis)

When I win the euro lottery I'm buying the ECW rights and Heyman.

[McLegend]

actially let me ask a question when JC came out and such did they tout him as a former ECW champion and such?
yes they did. Also I don't really care the Credible got squashed just merely pointing out that I thought his two matches with The great Sasuke were good.

Also about Kelly. She at least knows her role and just takes off her clothes which is much better then watching chicks like her wrestle.

[Innovator]

from PWInsider.com

The Vampire that made a cameo outside of the Arena tonight was the former Mordecai, Kevin Fertig.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

2) Don't even start that bullshit. Do you think Vince McMahon would put a lot of money into this if he just wanted to sabotage it? Vince is going to have to answer to a lot of stock holders, if this fucking bombs he will have a lot of hell to pay on the business end.

Remind me how much he spent on WCW

[redoneja]

Last night's show was written by Paul Heyman and then put through the tweaking process by WWE (http://pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=18568&p=1#) creative. For those of you who thought Heyman would have some kind of creative control of the brand, you found out otherwise last night. This is a Vince McMahon production (http://pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=18568&p=1#) and we saw that last night. Reports backstage were that Heyman wrote the show to meet McMahon's expectations and visions (http://pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=18568&p=1#) of ECW.
Speaking of Heyman, people who saw him backstage told me it was pretty clear that he thought the show was a train wreck. In fact, everyone I talked to in the company felt the same way. They all knew that the show was a complete disaster and a failure.
The reason Tazz's PPV "match (http://pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=18568&p=1#)" with Jerry Lawler was put on the show is because the show actually ran short and they had to fill time. They also missed a few cues in the battle royal, forcing the production team to fix the mistakes in the 90 minute window that they had after the taping ended to before it aired.
Ring (http://pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=18568&p=1#) Announcer Steven DeAngelis was brought in to work the show but was told in the afternoon that he was not going to be used and sent home, despite the fact that WWE had told DeAngelis to come to the show and that he would be used. WWE chose to use Justin Roberts instead. I would ask why, but there wouldn't be a good answer so why bother? I think it was a really low move by WWE to DeAngelis. Then again, at least he wasn't a part of the train wreck


credit: ProWrestlingInsider
http://pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=18568&p=1

[6to1]

Remind me how much he spent on WCW
i am kind of glad vince did not let shane run wcw as a seprate company now, the wcw show would look like the crap we saw last night, or maby worse good they killed it and are not bringing it back.

[McLegend]

Sucks for DeAngelis and yeah train wreck would be a good way to describe it.

[Loose Cannon]

didn't catch it, but read the results and it seemed like a Raw show.

[6to1]

ECW is DEAD

This is WWE presents ECW.
yep it died 6 years ago, team 3d should have some good shoots from this.

[Jaded-Dragon]

I'm disgusted to say the least. How does one go from the awesome-ness of last years ONS, to this WWE watered down bullshit? Last nights show not only officially made me hate the new ECW, it made me not want to watch raw anymore out of shear spite towards Vince McMahon.

This years ONS was a joke, and that is including the main event. The Tazz (yes, that was not TAZ) Lawler match was a joke. I thought Taz said he had one left in him? That wasn't "ONE" that was 1/10th. All that hype (probably the best hyping of any match, worked-shoot wise) for a 15 second squash? If you can even call that a squash.

Angle vs Orton? Typical WWE style match, did you really think you could get away with doing rest holds in front of an ECW crowd? A real ECW crowd?

Sabu vs Mysterio, this match had me going, butit was too damn short. I don't mind the ending, but it should of been another 15 minutes into the match. This match was one of the few things that represented what ECW was about. Rey pulled out a few moves I wouldn't see on Smackdown and Sabu was in a homicidal state. It ended too fucking soon. At the very least, they could of gone to a 30 min time limit draw.

Edge and Foley vs Dreamer and Funk. This was what I expected, a tagmatch that degenerated into a hardcore brawl. I even expected Edge and Foley to win. As much as I hate Edge, they should of moved him and not Big Show into ECW.

FBI vs Tajiri and Super Crazy. I think the ref pissed me off more than anything. Tajiri came in to break up a pin fall and the ref was pushing him back and telling him to get back to his corner? That's not ECW!!! What the hell is that bull shit? At least the match itself was decent, although not very hardcore.

Mahoney vs Tanaka. A match I was very much looking forward to. Again, it was decent, but ended far too quickly. And with a single chair shot? I recall Tanaka taking 3 or 4 stiff chair shots from Mike Awesome lastyear. Not to mention an Awesome bomb through a table, and he still didn't stay down.

And finally, the main event. It was the crowd that made this match enjoyable, and that's it. It's a sad damn day when John fucking Cena does more hardcore moves in a match than RVD does. I don't think RVD should of squashed him, or completely dominated. It SHOULD of been a tough grueling match for both guys. That way RVD and Cena both come out looking good. Instead, we get RVD basically getting his ass beat the entire match, not doing anything he normally wouldn't do in WWE, and then not even winning cleanly. It was like saying RVD couldn't beat Cena on his own, because he was getting his ass handed to him the whole match until Edge put Cena through a table. There's always going to be that little asterisk next to that match. It pisses me off that RVD can have 40 minute marathon matches with Jerry Lynn, but he can't beat Cena by himself. Fuck that. It's like they were saying, "Well, you finally get your World Title reign Rob, but first... We decided it would be best if we kicked you in the nuts really hard".

And next we have the ECW debut on Sci-fi. I was expecting some sort redemption in the show after last nights horrid PPV, but again I was slapped in the face.

I'm not even going to address the fact that Cena got a bigger pop than RVD.

The Angle squash was BS. And not even the fact that he squashed Justin Credible, who I don't feel one way or the other about, but the fact that JC can no longer be taken seriously. It was UNNECESSARY for Angle to squash anybody. This is your first ECW show and you want to represent it by having Angle squash a former ECW champ? WTF!! Again, this was not ECW. ECW was about giving people oppurtunities that they may not get elsewhere. They could of used this platform to elevate JC, or any other ECW guy, and all they would have to do is give Angle a run for his money. We get it, Angle is a wrestling machine, how about showing me what an untamed Super Crazy can do against him?

The Zombie.... Ya know, one of the things I loved about ECW... They brung realism to wrestling. They despised gimmicks like the Boogeyman, The Undertaker, Ultimate Warrior, etc. And here we are today with a fucking Zombie going against The Sandman, and a god damned Vampire set to make his debut. Fuck that. In ECW wrestling was the forefront of everything. Not some stupid ass comic book gimmick that attracts kids. The gimmicks in ECW were always very subtle and realistic. Raven was that outcast, Taz was the bad ass, RVD was the cocky arogant prick, etc. This is just BS.

And to end the show, I'm encouraged to see Sabu vs Cena again.... Didn't I just see that? Haven't we already been over that Sabu is at his best we he is working with someone that compliments his style?


All in all, this entire fucking thing is stupid. I don't know how Paul or RVD can go through with this shit and still sleep at night. Was I expecting the old school ECW? Certainly not, but I definitely was not expecting this to be a third show for the WWE. A show that is only good to hype PPV's even more and bring dumbass gimmick characters into before they move them to RAW or Smackdown. I know that ECW is dead, but we've crossed that line of straight pissing on its legacy. I was just hoping for a show that Paul E. would be in charge of, where I didn't have to deal with stupid fucking gimmicks like the Spirit Squad, and I could just watch Wrestlers wrestle.

I give it a month before the SS shows up at ECW.

I'm not going to go over all the other things that need to be done, like the showings in smaller venues and such, those have all been said in this thread already. And I really don't think it's going to make a damn bit of difference.

[Pepsi Man]

I'm disgusted to say the least. How does one go from the awesome-ness of last years ONS, to this WWE watered down bullshit? Last nights show not only officially made me hate the new ECW, it made me not want to watch raw anymore out of shear spite towards Vince McMahon.

This years ONS was a joke, and that is including the main event. The Tazz (yes, that was not TAZ) Lawler match was a joke. I thought Taz said he had one left in him? That wasn't "ONE" that was 1/10th. All that hype (probably the best hyping of any match, worked-shoot wise) for a 15 second squash? If you can even call that a squash.

Angle vs Orton? Typical WWE style match, did you really think you could get away with doing rest holds in front of an ECW crowd? A real ECW crowd?

Sabu vs Mysterio, this match had me going, butit was too damn short. I don't mind the ending, but it should of been another 15 minutes into the match. This match was one of the few things that represented what ECW was about. Rey pulled out a few moves I wouldn't see on Smackdown and Sabu was in a homicidal state. It ended too fucking soon. At the very least, they could of gone to a 30 min time limit draw.

Edge and Foley vs Dreamer and Funk. This was what I expected, a tagmatch that degenerated into a hardcore brawl. I even expected Edge and Foley to win. As much as I hate Edge, they should of moved him and not Big Show into ECW.

FBI vs Tajiri and Super Crazy. I think the ref pissed me off more than anything. Tajiri came in to break up a pin fall and the ref was pushing him back and telling him to get back to his corner? That's not ECW!!! What the hell is that bull shit? At least the match itself was decent, although not very hardcore.

Mahoney vs Tanaka. A match I was very much looking forward to. Again, it was decent, but ended far too quickly. And with a single chair shot? I recall Tanaka taking 3 or 4 stiff chair shots from Mike Awesome lastyear. Not to mention an Awesome bomb through a table, and he still didn't stay down.

And finally, the main event. It was the crowd that made this match enjoyable, and that's it. It's a sad damn day when John fucking Cena does more hardcore moves in a match than RVD does. I don't think RVD should of squashed him, or completely dominated. It SHOULD of been a tough grueling match for both guys. That way RVD and Cena both come out looking good. Instead, we get RVD basically getting his ass beat the entire match, not doing anything he normally wouldn't do in WWE, and then not even winning cleanly. It was like saying RVD couldn't beat Cena on his own, because he was getting his ass handed to him the whole match until Edge put Cena through a table. There's always going to be that little asterisk next to that match. It pisses me off that RVD can have 40 minute marathon matches with Jerry Lynn, but he can't beat Cena by himself. Fuck that. It's like they were saying, "Well, you finally get your World Title reign Rob, but first... We decided it would be best if we kicked you in the nuts really hard".

And next we have the ECW debut on Sci-fi. I was expecting some sort redemption in the show after last nights horrid PPV, but again I was slapped in the face.

I'm not even going to address the fact that Cena got a bigger pop than RVD.

The Angle squash was BS. And not even the fact that he squashed Justin Credible, who I don't feel one way or the other about, but the fact that JC can no longer be taken seriously. It was UNNECESSARY for Angle to squash anybody. This is your first ECW show and you want to represent it by having Angle squash a former ECW champ? WTF!! Again, this was not ECW. ECW was about giving people oppurtunities that they may not get elsewhere. They could of used this platform to elevate JC, or any other ECW guy, and all they would have to do is give Angle a run for his money. We get it, Angle is a wrestling machine, how about showing me what an untamed Super Crazy can do against him?

The Zombie.... Ya know, one of the things I loved about ECW... They brung realism to wrestling. They despised gimmicks like the Boogeyman, The Undertaker, Ultimate Warrior, etc. And here we are today with a fucking Zombie going against The Sandman, and a god damned Vampire set to make his debut. Fuck that. In ECW wrestling was the forefront of everything. Not some stupid ass comic book gimmick that attracts kids. The gimmicks in ECW were always very subtle and realistic. Raven was that outcast, Taz was the bad ass, RVD was the cocky arogant prick, etc. This is just BS.

And to end the show, I'm encouraged to see Sabu vs Cena again.... Didn't I just see that? Haven't we already been over that Sabu is at his best we he is working with someone that compliments his style?


All in all, this entire fucking thing is stupid. I don't know how Paul or RVD can go through with this shit and still sleep at night. Was I expecting the old school ECW? Certainly not, but I definitely was not expecting this to be a third show for the WWE. A show that is only good to hype PPV's even more and bring dumbass gimmick characters into before they move them to RAW or Smackdown. I know that ECW is dead, but we've crossed that line of straight pissing on its legacy. I was just hoping for a show that Paul E. would be in charge of, where I didn't have to deal with stupid fucking gimmicks like the Spirit Squad, and I could just watch Wrestlers wrestle.

I give it a month before the SS shows up at ECW.

I'm not going to go over all the other things that need to be done, like the showings in smaller venues and such, those have all been said in this thread already. And I really don't think it's going to make a damn bit of difference.
As far as gimmicks, ECW did have its share of jokes of wrestlers. I thought the Zombie was funny, personally, and if they had a better overall show, I wouldn't have minded that "match" at all.

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Last night's show was written by Paul Heyman and then put through the tweaking process by WWE (http://pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=18568&p=1#) creative. For those of you who thought Heyman would have some kind of creative control of the brand, you found out otherwise last night. This is a Vince McMahon production (http://pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=18568&p=1#) and we saw that last night. Reports backstage were that Heyman wrote the show to meet McMahon's expectations and visions (http://pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=18568&p=1#) of ECW.
Speaking of Heyman, people who saw him backstage told me it was pretty clear that he thought the show was a train wreck. In fact, everyone I talked to in the company felt the same way. They all knew that the show was a complete disaster and a failure.
The reason Tazz's PPV "match (http://pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=18568&p=1#)" with Jerry Lawler was put on the show is because the show actually ran short and they had to fill time. They also missed a few cues in the battle royal, forcing the production team to fix the mistakes in the 90 minute window that they had after the taping ended to before it aired.
Ring (http://pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=18568&p=1#) Announcer Steven DeAngelis was brought in to work the show but was told in the afternoon that he was not going to be used and sent home, despite the fact that WWE had told DeAngelis to come to the show and that he would be used. WWE chose to use Justin Roberts instead. I would ask why, but there wouldn't be a good answer so why bother? I think it was a really low move by WWE to DeAngelis. Then again, at least he wasn't a part of the train wreck


credit: ProWrestlingInsider
http://pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=18568&p=1
lmao!

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didn't catch it, but read the results and it seemed like a Raw show.
Like PWInsider said, it was a train wreck.

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The original plan last night was to have Sandman come out and cane an alien, but Sci-Fi was fearful that this may turn away their (sci-fi) fanbase by having Sandman beat up on an alien, so a zombie was inserted instead.

PWInsider.com

:wtf:

[Innovator]

The zombie was a rib on Sci Fi, cause the network wanted more supernatural characters....they didn't agree to Sandman caning an Alien