View Full Version : which former WWE Superstar has the best chance at being successful in UFC?
The Naitch
06-30-2006, 12:09 AM
-Sean O'Haire
-Bill Goldberg (owned by Jericho btw)
-Chris Jericho (Owned by HHH's dog)
I think HHH's dog would be the best bet here
ok, what do you think about Lesnar? Do you think he has a shot?
Bad Company
06-30-2006, 01:02 AM
lesnar would do pretty well.
What Would Kevin Do?
06-30-2006, 01:24 AM
Lesnar will get owned.
Hanso Amore
06-30-2006, 11:53 AM
I really don't see any of them winning anything. None have any real MMA training. O'Haire went in and was average at best, and I think he would handle those other guys.
Lesnar is big, nothing more, he is a college wrestler....I was a college wrestler, and would get my ass handed to me by any MMA fighter. Size means nothing, just watch some of that russian Fedor guy.
Goldberg is too old and Jericho is just a average size PRO wrestler.
Pro wrestlers are oddly soft, Most of the "bad-asses" get their asses kicked by the little guys (Vader by Orndorff, Goldberg by Jericho and a Limo Window, Sid by Pillman)
Jaton
06-30-2006, 12:40 PM
Naitch! Get off of UFC's nuts!
Y2Jeremy
06-30-2006, 02:00 PM
Lesnar has the best chance, but thats not saying much
Volare
06-30-2006, 02:33 PM
akiebono fat mother-fucker can sit on everyone
akiebono fat mother-fucker can sit on everyone
1 - UFC has a 265lbs limit in the heavyweight division.
2 - Akebono's MMA record is pants as it is.
Oh and Lesnar has a great chance of good sucess in MMA. Depends on how much he wants it and how well he is booked.
The Show Off
06-30-2006, 03:18 PM
Lesnar is big, nothing more, he is a college wrestler....I was a college wrestler, and would get my ass handed to me by any MMA fighter. Size means nothing, just watch some of that russian Fedor guy.
There is a huge diffrence between you as a college wrestler and Brock Lesner as a college wrestler. Brock was one of the best wrestlers in the country when he wrestled in college, he is on a far higher level wrestling wise then anyone in the UFC. Also Brock Lesner is freakishly strong even for his size. Sure Brock is a big guy buy he still is ridicliously strong. The guy his tremendous power, speed, agility, and was at one time one of the greatest wrestlers in the country. I'm pretty sure that he could walk in right now and beat a third of the people in the UFC. If you trained Brock to avoid submissions and gave him decent stand up he could be in the top 10 percent of the heavyweight division. I doubt he could beat Sylvia, Arlovski, or Gonzaga but anyone else he stands a good chance.
Brock could make it in the UFC but I doubt he'd ever win the belt.
If he gets into UFC and was booked right, I'd putting money on him winning the belt.
Innovator
06-30-2006, 04:36 PM
The thing that Lesnar had going for him is the fact that he's a pure athlete, he'd have to learn to throw strikes, not just wrestle.
Skippord
06-30-2006, 05:08 PM
The Great Khali
Stickman
06-30-2006, 05:14 PM
1 - UFC has a 265lbs limit in the heavyweight division.
2 - Akebono's MMA record is pants as it is.
Oh and Lesnar has a great chance of good sucess in MMA. Depends on how much he wants it and how well he is booked.
Do they have a super heavyweight division?
Also, I was watching old school ufc footage and they didn't have weight classes, that'd be rad if they did that these days.
Hanso Amore
06-30-2006, 06:54 PM
Strength means nothing if your not trained. He could be the strongest guy ever, Doesn't mean crap. While he is trying to throw punches he just learned, he would have his arm broke behind his back.
Kurt Angle is a better wrestler than Lesnar ever was, and he got owned by Daniel Puder who had LITTLE MMA training compared to most UFC guys.
The Show Off
06-30-2006, 10:45 PM
Strength means nothing if your not trained. He could be the strongest guy ever, Doesn't mean crap. While he is trying to throw punches he just learned, he would have his arm broke behind his back.
Kurt Angle is a better wrestler than Lesnar ever was, and he got owned by Daniel Puder who had LITTLE MMA training compared to most UFC guys.
Puder didn't in any way shape of form own Kurt Angle. He wrestled him to the ground and Angle spun out of it and nailed his ass to the mat. The only way Puder got Angle to the ground because Angle underestimate the kid.
The reason I say that Brock would to really good in the UFC is because people who are pure wrestlers can pull off decision victories purely based on the fact the can lay a guy on his back and lay on him. If you've ever heard interviews with Matt Huges we always talks about that. Matt Huges was an all-american in wrestling and when he first started doing MMA all he would do is shoot a guy to the ground and just start punching. Matt Huges wasn't in the class MMA wise as his opponents but he was freakishly strong and able to keep people down.
Obviously Brock would have to learn how to throw hands, and would have to learn some submissions if we were to become a champion, but as of right now I know for sure he could take a few people and pound them into the mat.
I think you totally under estimate just how strong Brock is, and just how good of a wrestler he was and is. If Brock goes into the UFC tommorow he could win a few fights. But like any MMA star he'd have to learn some boxing and submissions to compete with the better fighters like Jeff Monson, Marcio Cruz, Gabriel Gonzaga, Frank Mir, Tim Silva, and Andei Arlovski. But like someone said before me, he's a pure athlete with a tremendous work ethic or else we would have never reached his levels in wrestling. If he does in fact join UFC, which Dana White has shown intrest in him, I think he could be competing for the Heavyweight Championship in about 5 years.
Y2Jeremy
07-01-2006, 12:56 AM
Finally, this guy understands. And puder accepted and amature wrestling challenge, then was easily pinned while trying to do a key lock on Angle. I could beat your face in while you give me a spinning toe hold i can't escape, but who would everyone say won? that is not "ownage"
Savio
07-01-2006, 02:08 AM
Here's the match BTW
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zy_rAeZWDWY&search=puder
Do they have a super heavyweight division?
Also, I was watching old school ufc footage and they didn't have weight classes, that'd be rad if they did that these days.
No super heavys. They have enough trouble finding heavyweights really since a lot of guys cut weight to make 205lbs.
They need the weight divisions to be licensed by the Nevada State Athletic Comission. It would ruin all credibility with them if they went back to freak shows. And the sport has evolved too much now for people to want to see that.
Savio
07-01-2006, 04:01 PM
Daniel Puder
Puder didn't in any way shape of form own Kurt Angle. He wrestled him to the ground and Angle spun out of it and nailed his ass to the mat. The only way Puder got Angle to the ground because Angle underestimate the kid.
Angle is a beat up wrestler and Puder is a young fresh trained fighter.
And you must not know MMA or have seen the encounter or you would know what happened. They tied up, Angle tried to outwrestle Puder but he got caught clean in a kimura and it was goodbye to Angle's arm until the refs screwed Puder.
He couldn't even bring himself to shake his Puder's hand after it.
Puder OWNED Angle. That's the end of it.
Savio
07-01-2006, 10:52 PM
To be fair Puders shoulders were on the mat
Actually he managed to get his shoulders up before the count. The ref still counted to avoid Angle from tapping out.
Bad Company
07-01-2006, 11:16 PM
ok, so we put puder and angle in a ring, and put them at it, everyone gets psyched up properly, good preperation etc. Puder would win?
Might as well make it the first ever MMA casket match because Kurt Angle would be leaving in a box.
Savio
07-02-2006, 01:11 PM
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Dunno it looks like he got his shoulder up late.
It was close, but I think he JUST did get his right shoulder up.
Savio
07-02-2006, 01:23 PM
That'd be hilarious his he just destoryed angle.
James Steele
07-02-2006, 03:25 PM
Was that actually a legitimate wrestling match, or did Puder try and act like tough shit on national TV.
Puder shot on Angle.
Whether Angle expected to walk him through or expected him to shoot is another story.
First of all, Puder's rigt shoulder was never down. He raised it even more when they screwed up over.
As for Puder acting like "tough shit on national TV", Angle was shooting on everyone before Puder accepted the challenge. Whether Angle thought Puder would just try and tie up or whether he'd shoot is someone only Kurt Angle knows. If he thought he wasn't gonna shoot then he is a moron. Puder had every right to shoot in, defend himself and beat Angle at his own game.
James Steele
07-02-2006, 05:56 PM
First of all, Puder's rigt shoulder was never down. He raised it even more when they screwed up over.
As for Puder acting like "tough shit on national TV", Angle was shooting on everyone before Puder accepted the challenge. Whether Angle thought Puder would just try and tie up or whether he'd shoot is someone only Kurt Angle knows. If he thought he wasn't gonna shoot then he is a moron. Puder had every right to shoot in, defend himself and beat Angle at his own game.
Defend himself against what? Just because he is some UFC fighter he is automatically going to have the "right" to be an arrogant prick on a show for a staged "sport" because he is "legit".?
BigDaddyCool
07-02-2006, 06:37 PM
I'm going to say Ken Shamrock...
Innovator
07-02-2006, 07:36 PM
First of all, Puder's rigt shoulder was never down. He raised it even more when they screwed up over.
As for Puder acting like "tough shit on national TV", Angle was shooting on everyone before Puder accepted the challenge. Whether Angle thought Puder would just try and tie up or whether he'd shoot is someone only Kurt Angle knows. If he thought he wasn't gonna shoot then he is a moron. Puder had every right to shoot in, defend himself and beat Angle at his own game.I remember in an interview with Puder he talked about this, he said that the ref doing the competition screwed up, and eliminated him when the WWE wanted Puder to win the competiton so he could wrestle Angle.
Angle probably underestimated the skills Puder had, thought he'd walk through him. He thought wrong...
I'm going to say Ken Shamrock...
I disagree.
The Show Off
07-03-2006, 01:36 AM
Angle is a beat up wrestler and Puder is a young fresh trained fighter.
And you must not know MMA or have seen the encounter or you would know what happened. They tied up, Angle tried to outwrestle Puder but he got caught clean in a kimura and it was goodbye to Angle's arm until the refs screwed Puder.
He couldn't even bring himself to shake his Puder's hand after it.
Puder OWNED Angle. That's the end of it.
He had him in a weak kimura at best. If you want to properly lock someone in a kimura you keep the arm pinned to your own body so the guy can't move his arm without moving you. That kimura could easily be countered. But why on earth wouldn't Kurt Angle just reverse such a manuver if it were so easy to?
Well, I'll answer my own stupid question. Kurt wouldn't reverse that Kimura because to reverse that kimura he would have to spin out and stand, which would have ruined the intent of that shoot. The shoot was to see who the better wrestler was to see who could pin a man to the mat, and Kurt for the most part did that.
In that situation Angle didn't het OWNED he didn't even get beaten. That was a WRESTLING compition not an MMA compitition, and even if it were a MMA compition he didn't have Angle beaten.
But don't let the fact get in the way of a good story.
Defend himself against what? Just because he is some UFC fighter he is automatically going to have the "right" to be an arrogant prick on a show for a staged "sport" because he is "legit".?
What are you on about? Angle was LEGITLY stretching guys before Puder got in the ring. How is he arrogant? It's like me saying you don't deserved to be booked in England because you are a cock (not saying you are one, just an example).
He had him in a weak kimura at best. If you want to properly lock someone in a kimura you keep the arm pinned to your own body so the guy can't move his arm without moving you. That kimura could easily be countered. But why on earth wouldn't Kurt Angle just reverse such a manuver if it were so easy to?
Well, I'll answer my own stupid question. Kurt wouldn't reverse that Kimura because to reverse that kimura he would have to spin out and stand, which would have ruined the intent of that shoot. The shoot was to see who the better wrestler was to see who could pin a man to the mat, and Kurt for the most part did that.
In that situation Angle didn't het OWNED he didn't even get beaten. That was a WRESTLING compition not an MMA compitition, and even if it were a MMA compition he didn't have Angle beaten.
But don't let the fact get in the way of a good story.
Angle doesn't have 100% feeling in his arm. He since admitted that and that he wasn't getting out of the kimura -find the archives of the LAW to hear it for yourself.
I do BJJ and that wasn't a bad kimura in the slightest. I've seen worse arm locks rip tendons. There wasn't an ice cube chance in hell of Angle getting out of it. He doesn't know submissions. And for the last time, it WASN'T a wrestling competition. And even if it was, he didn't pin Puder. Puder was in control.
The Show Off
07-06-2006, 01:59 PM
What are you on about? Angle was LEGITLY stretching guys before Puder got in the ring. How is he arrogant? It's like me saying you don't deserved to be booked in England because you are a cock (not saying you are one, just an example).
Angle doesn't have 100% feeling in his arm. He since admitted that and that he wasn't getting out of the kimura -find the archives of the LAW to hear it for yourself.
I do BJJ and that wasn't a bad kimura in the slightest. I've seen worse arm locks rip tendons. There wasn't an ice cube chance in hell of Angle getting out of it. He doesn't know submissions. And for the last time, it WASN'T a wrestling competition. And even if it was, he didn't pin Puder. Puder was in control.
I'm not going to go serching for some archives, but if link the interview I'll tell you that you're right. I never knew that said interview existed. The kimura looked weak to me and personally I could have scrambled out of it and I'm only a Blue Belt in Ju Jitsu where that manuver has really only been practiced when I'm funcking around with the brown belts and black belts. I was always told that you have to put the elbow into your chest to gain complete control, but perhaps the sensei's at my dojo are mistaken.
Okay let's put it this way - why didn't he shake his hand?
The Show Off
07-07-2006, 10:55 PM
Okay let's put it this way - why didn't he shake his hand?
Well my opinion after watching that just now and when I watched it the first time was, that Kurt was a heel. He went out there to bust those kids asses just like a heel would. If he shook the hand of Puder it'd kinda ruin the whole heel persona that Kurt was going with. I thought it was as simple as the fact that he was just playing his heel role. But I might be wrong, why do you think he didn't shake his hand? Embarassed? Angry? His arm was broken from that kimura?
Of course he was angry. He was shouting right in Puder's face.
Embarassed? He should be embarrassed by his own actions.
James Steele
07-08-2006, 06:03 AM
Everybody please get off of UFC's dick for just a minute. I am tired of coming into the wrestling forum and having to read a bunch of shit about UFC.
If UFC is so much fucking better than WWE, then post this shit in the sports forum where it belongs.
How many times do you wanna post this?
UFC is so much fucking better than WWE. And I'll post where I like. So will the others.
You do realise you are preaching on a "wrestling forum" where it's not even the top forum on the board on a "wrestling" website where the owner couldn't give a fuck about wresting?
Joyrider
07-08-2006, 12:08 PM
Rob is right, legitemacy is the key here guys, Kurt would be the first person to admit he has no chance of cutting it in UFC nowerdays.
It would be like asking a plasterer to lay bricks, similarities, but completely different things.
The Show Off
07-08-2006, 12:10 PM
Of course he was angry. He was shouting right in Puder's face.
Embarassed? He should be embarrassed by his own actions.
Rob, that whole thing with Angle yelling at the Tough Enough kids was a worked shoot. Angle was yelling at them to get more heel heat, he didn't shake Puder's hand because he wanted to continue that heel heat.
Yeah of course he did. Another one of this great works that went nowhere. Worked soooo well that the whole 3 minute Olympic challenge was made for it to end up in San Diego and for Daniel Puder to be the home town hero that would win the Olympic medal. Now find the timeline between him being released and Eugene taking that spot. It was like a week.
Call me naive but Daniel Puder isn't a carny and he said Kurt was pissed at him. Since he has given us no reason to deny his word and pro wrestlers and the biggest bunch of bullshiters to walk the Earth, I'll believe Puder thanks.
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