Shawn Michaels jobbing.

[Ben Rodrigues]

We all know that Shawn Michaels built up quite the reputation for being a dick with his attitude and refusing to job. I know Michaels refused to job to Vader but is there any reason he wasn't against going down to Sid - other then the possibility of getting it back in January.

Also - just for the hell of it - are there any other times he refused to job? (Off the top of my head Bret Hart at WM 13 and Austin at WM 14 come to mind).

[ edit ] - What about times any wrestlers refused to job that were suppose to. I'm sure Hogan has done it a ton of times. I think broadening the topic to anyone would be an interesting read.

[McLegend]

Out of all the stories about HBK the WM 14 story is the one I have trouble believing the most.

And I think that is the reason he dropped the title to Sid.

[mrslackalack]

I remember reading somewhere they almost had to do a tourney at WM 14 with Austin winning cuz of HBK's back and refusing at first to do the job.

[Karlsberg]

I have heard from a number of sources that Taker threatend him on the night about dropping the title Austin.

Also on PWI on tuesday they mentioned he was originally supposed to be the tag main event at Canadian Stampede but had to be replaced by Goldust because he didnt want to be on the losing team.

[jindrak]

Austin didn't want to job to Triple H at Summerslam 99. So Mankind was brought in, and it became a Triple Threat Match. Mankind would go on to pin Austin though. =/

[Rob]

I have heard from a number of sources that Taker threatend him on the night about dropping the title Austin.

Also on PWI on tuesday they mentioned he was originally supposed to be the tag main event at Canadian Stampede but had to be replaced by Goldust because he didnt want to be on the losing team.

I heard it from a very reliable source that Taker came back from his match, immediately taped his wrists and confronted Shawn Michaels and in no uncertain terms told him he was losing in the ring. Michaels definately was complaing all that day about not wanting to lose the belt in the ring.

About Canadian Stampede, Sid Vicious was meant to be in the match instead of Goldust. Michaels was never booked.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol wrestlers are so stupid. They do realize that people realize it is fake right? Like people really don't care if you lose to a guy in a scripted match, doesn't make you look any better or worse.

[Ben Rodrigues]

lol wrestlers are so stupid. They do realize that people realize it is fake right? Like people really don't care if you lose to a guy in a scripted match, doesn't make you look any better or worse.

Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that back in those days - the guy who held the WWF Championship was the highest paid guy in the company.

[Rob]

Michaels wasn't even working a full time schedule and had a serious back injury. He knew it was his last night and he didn't want to drop the belt. Basically he did worse than Bret Hart in Montreal. Shawn was leaving and there was no other oppotunity for him to lose the belt and he refused with no rights. Bret only refused to lose to Shawn in Canada and had the legal right to not lose to anyone.

[Ben Rodrigues]

Ahh, finally the walking wrestling encyclopaedia has graced us. Been waiting for this. Tell us more. And feel free to move away from Michaels and onto other non-jobbers.

[Ben Rodrigues]

And for those who have actually read it - does HBK's book actually talk about how he refused to job and potentially sabotaged wrestler's careers... or rather does it dance around the topic?

[Savio]

Austin didn't want to job to Triple H at Summerslam 99. So Mankind was brought in, and it became a Triple Threat Match. Mankind would go on to pin Austin though. =/I thought that was smart, HHH wasn't too credible yet.
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Austin didn't want to job to Brock so he walked out.

Brock didn't want to job to taker so he quit

[Ben Rodrigues]

I thought that was smart, HHH wasn't too credible yet.
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Austin didn't want to job to Brock so he walked out.

Brock didn't want to job to taker so he quit

I think there was more to the story with Austin/Brock. Though I'm pretty sure Austin refused to job to Razor at WM 18 and doing his part to ruin the nWo angle.

[Ben Rodrigues]

Come to think of it - Austin refused to work with Billy Gunn and Jeff Jarrett as he didn't feel they were on his level.

[Rob]

And for those who have actually read it - does HBK's book actually talk about how he refused to job and potentially sabotaged wrestler's careers... or rather does it dance around the topic?

I wouldn't wipe my arse with that book nevermind read it.

And there is barely a champion in the business that has not refused to job to someone. I'd say probably Rocky, Jericho, Guerrero, Benoit, Mysterio, Cena and Edge have done what they were told without arguement.

Well Rock has admitted plain and simple he refuses to work with Shawn Michaels and I don't blame him.

[James Steele]

Get over it already.

[Kane Knight]

lol wrestlers are so stupid. They do realize that people realize it is fake right? Like people really don't care if you lose to a guy in a scripted match, doesn't make you look any better or worse.

Too bad Destor isn't around to pull his "You don't understand!!!!!" Lines here.

I agree with you, but it'd be hilarious.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I can see if its like an up and coming guy or whatever but for somebody who is already seen as a "Main Eventer" you don't need to worry about it. I really don't see why it even hurts their ego, like everyone realizes its a fake fight? So how is it somehow hurting you when you lose a fake fight to some other dude? I don't get it, its just like acting on a show. You don't see actors on ER complaining because they aren't the one getting to perform the key part of the sugery or something.

[Kane Knight]

That sort of stuff does happen in TV shows, though.

[Dorkchop]

That sort of stuff does happen in TV shows, though.

Like the actors in Friends saying they want more money and more control over their characters. That latter is retarded. If, god forbid, you ever meet David Schwimmer, you're not meeting Ross, you're meeting David Schwimmer (aka the new Dave Coulier). When you meet Kane, you're not meeting Glenn Jacobs, you're meeting Kane.

Hogan refuses to job to everyone. There have been a few small instances though. He did put over Goldberg, Brock, uh... yeah.

As for Taker threatening HBK, I've heard that too. I can't remember where though.

And it's funny hearing about all these guys refusing to job to other guys, while there are guys like Rock, Jericho, Benoit, Christian, Eddie, Rey, Booker T, who will always do the job.

[Rob]

Get over it already.

Did someone upset you Betty?

[The MAC]

why doesnt the rock want to want to work with shawn Michaels? is it because the Rock was trained by Bret Hart?

[Rob]

In a nutshell, the Clique verbally bullied a lot of people during their little get together and once Hall and Nash went to WCW, HHH and Michaels had to watch who they picked on. And since they hated Bret but couldn't abuse him or his career, they'd pick on Rocky because he was new and Bret liked him. Well they obviously never saw him becoming one of the three biggest stars in pro wrestling history. Rocky had to work with HHH but since he can pick and choice what he does now, Michaels needs him more than he needs Michaels.

[Zen v.W.o.]

I heard it from a very reliable source that Taker came back from his match, immediately taped his wrists and confronted Shawn Michaels and in no uncertain terms told him he was losing in the ring. Michaels definately was complaing all that day about not wanting to lose the belt in the ring.

About Canadian Stampede, Sid Vicious was meant to be in the match instead of Goldust. Michaels was never booked.


Yeah he was. In fact, HBK was one of the guys from the begining they had planned to be in there. Recall one raw where he, along with Austin, Shamrock and others were on the ramp, one by one, as the opposition for the Hart Foundation. HBK at the time was taken off again, and did not compete in any ppv until Ground Zero.

[Zen v.W.o.]

In a nutshell, the Clique verbally bullied a lot of people during their little get together and once Hall and Nash went to WCW, HHH and Michaels had to watch who they picked on. And since they hated Bret but couldn't abuse him or his career, they'd pick on Rocky because he was new and Bret liked him. Well they obviously never saw him becoming one of the three biggest stars in pro wrestling history. Rocky had to work with HHH but since he can pick and choice what he does now, Michaels needs him more than he needs Michaels.


Basically if HBK tried picking on Bret, he'd simply be pounded on. In 1997 Bret had more buddies anyways that would have been behind him.

[Innovator]

Come to think of it - Austin refused to work with Billy Gunn and Jeff Jarrett as he didn't feel they were on his level.They weren't

[Rob]

Yeah he was. In fact, HBK was one of the guys from the begining they had planned to be in there. Recall one raw where he, along with Austin, Shamrock and others were on the ramp, one by one, as the opposition for the Hart Foundation. HBK at the time was taken off again, and did not compete in any ppv until Ground Zero.

That wasn't that night. The night Shamrock and Michaels and that were on the stage together was the same night that The Patriot debuted. He joined them on the stage. It was 100% meant to be Sid and not Michaels at Canadian Stampede.

[The MAC]

out of all this the bottom line is shawn michaels is still a fudge packer.

[KingofOldSchool]

I think there was more to the story with Austin/Brock. Though I'm pretty sure Austin refused to job to Razor at WM 18 and doing his part to ruin the nWo angle.

Austin didn't want to job to Brock with no build up and in this case I really don't blame him.

[Rob]

And Austin was near dead when it happened. I don't blame him in the slightest for doing what he did.

[Pinnacle Charisma]

I thought that was smart, HHH wasn't too credible yet.
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Austin didn't want to job to Brock so he walked out.

Brock didn't want to job to taker so he quit

I have heard that they wanted Austin to job to Brock on a episode of Raw but Austin said if he had to job to Brock he would do it on ppv. But the writes didnt agree to his demands first up or something.


I kinda agree with Austin on this one he was unhappy with the shit he was getting since the invasion angle (he was in a lame midcard match with Scott Hall at wm) yet still he was getting the biggest pops out of the company yet they pushed Vinces favorite son at the top babyface instead. And Austin was the man who saved the wwe from the brink of bankrupsy

[Kane Knight]

In either event, Austin had once against claimed to have resolved the issue, and walked out on them anyway. Whether or not he wanted to job to Lesnar or had more "reasonable" demands, he said he was okay with it, and left anyway.

[Rob]

Anyway, who cares? It's the man's right to leave. He didn't get paid when he walked out the door and as the biggest star in pro wrestling history and the man who pretty much saved the WWF from going out of business, he can do what he likes.