Let's get behind HD-DVD

[Bad Company]

Fuck Blu-Ray. COME ON PEOPLE, FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT!

[Kane Knight]

Ummmm...K?

[Xero]

Why go with an inferior format?

[Kane Knight]

Why go with an inferior format?

Did you ever own a VHS tape?

[Bad Company]

DO IT

[Xero]

Did you ever own a VHS tape?
I have owned a record. What's your point?

[Kane Knight]

VHS beat out Betamax despite inferior technology.
Stereo beat out binaural.
Windows beat any stable system you can name.
Dreamcast lost to everyone else.

[LoDownM]

Poor poor Dreamcast.

Powerstone 2 > Smash Brothers.

[Blitz]

Dreamcast is awesome :(

[Bricktop]

there will be a dual player in year. this will be another DVD +/- situation and when the dual players are out, no one will care.

[road doggy dogg]

Is this another one of those stupid fucking things where you have to like read up 20 articles on Howstuffworks just to understand WHY it's different to normal DVD's and then spend $300 more on a player to buy it, all with the same end result?

'Cause it sounsd like it.

[Kane Knight]

Only if you're a total fucking idiot.

[Just John]

VHS beat out Betamax despite inferior technology.
Stereo beat out binaural.
Windows beat any stable system you can name.
Dreamcast lost to everyone else.

Thats a good point actually, I think blu ray itself will be better, it will have better games etc. but sony have fucked up so fucking much, people wont be interested anyway. Have you heard that the PS3 has no vibration anymore? apparently "Gamers will soon forget" "When they see the dirt pixels it'll feel like the really are off road anyway"

That is a mixture of patronising and insulting at the same time. If the 360 wasn't so shit (as far as games go) I wouldnt buy the PS3

[Kane Knight]

Thats a good point actually, I think blu ray itself will be better, it will have better games etc. but sony have fucked up so fucking much, people wont be interested anyway. Have you heard that the PS3 has no vibration anymore? apparently "Gamers will soon forget" "When they see the dirt pixels it'll feel like the really are off road anyway"

That is a mixture of patronising and insulting at the same time. If the 360 wasn't so shit (as far as games go) I wouldnt buy the PS3

The funny thing is, how far back this goes. Do you know why powerlines use AC? Ben Franklin knew how to market. DC is better, except in the respect that if youe grab something and are electrocuted, you won't let go. AC, your muscles experience alternating signals to pull and push. You will likely let go, increasing survivability.

Ben Franklin coined the term Westinghoused, or something to that effect, marketing it based on the name of the people who were making electric chairs. Well, nobody wanted to be westinghoused, which not only pushed for AC, but also hurt Westing House's business.

The superior technology doesn't win, the superior marketing wins. Microsoft and other HD supporters have a GREAT propaganda campaign going, not to mention the best piece of marketing on their side (Note I don't include Toshiba, as I'm yet to see them actually try to slur or slander Blu-Ray), because people will go for the familiar. Sony's running a PR campaign as well, but it's mostly on technical specs which common people aren't going to understand. Not to mention the fact that many of the differences are only noticable on higher end TVs (and large ones, too).

Sony's marketing appears to be about on the level they did for UMD.

Of course, the real loser is the consumer. Many people on this site are probably too young to remember the last proper format war, but you ended up with exclusives on both sides, stores which only stocked one or the other, and people didn't adopt either because of the hassle.

BTW, the PS3 really doesn't have that good a library of exclusives right now, and if Blu Ray loses in the format wars, the BR format might not be cost-effective to continue mainstream manufacture. So if you're banking on its dominance still, I'd be cautious.

Just remember, not everything that's "better" wins.

I'd bet on HD taking the market, primarily because I think the average Joe will enjoy the price hundreds less than the Blu Ray (Toshiba's claiming they'll have models at a 300 or 400 price point by the Holidays) with cheaper movies, and it's still called DVD, which is going to make a pretty big difference in and of itself.

Nobody wants to be westinghoused, john.

[Just John]

I dont get many games for the (lets say) PS3 but the ones I do get I absolutley love, GTA, Gran Turismo, Metal Gear Solid, Smackdown, Tony Hawks, Need For Speed. Most of them are out for 360 as well as PS3, but the two that are PS3 exclusive I could never drop. I couldnt drop the controller either (I love the playstation controller)

I understand that I am the loser here what with no rumble, huge price, etc. But I'm just gonna have to take losing in my stride if I want GT and MGS..:(

[Kane Knight]

I dont get many games for the (lets say) PS3 but the ones I do get I absolutley love, GTA, Gran Turismo, Metal Gear Solid, Smackdown, Tony Hawks, Need For Speed. Most of them are out for 360 as well as PS3, but the two that are PS3 exclusive I could never drop. I couldnt drop the controller either (I love the playstation controller)

I understand that I am the loser here what with no rumble, huge price, etc. But I'm just gonna have to take losing in my stride if I want GT and MGS..:(

Is MGS even going to be an exclusive?

Almost everything else is coming out on both systems (Smackdown won't even be on the PS3 this time around), and I'm not so sure about MGS. So the only factor would be GT? Ummm...Yeah. Wow.

[Just John]

Yeah, I'm kinda into it alot...

MGS is PS3 exclusive, I'm pretty sure of that, I'm not sure how long for though, and also, the PS3 will be still in full swing after 10 years after its release, which is handy, because in ten years I'll have a life and wont care as much at all. So I wont be buying any new consoles.

[DS]

MGS4 is enough for me to buy a PS3. I can't name one game that would justify me buying a 360 right now.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, I'm kinda into it alot...

MGS is PS3 exclusive, I'm pretty sure of that, I'm not sure how long for though, and also, the PS3 will be still in full swing after 10 years after its release, which is handy, because in ten years I'll have a life and wont care as much at all. So I wont be buying any new consoles.

I seriously doubt it'll have a shelf life like that. The trend isn't to increase the life of the systems, but to decrease 'em. Maybe that won't happen, but I'm a bit skeptical, considering the past.

[Kane Knight]

MGS4 is enough for me to buy a PS3. I can't name one game that would justify me buying a 360 right now.

I can name...Err...One.

99 Nights. That's about it.

[Just John]

Never heard of it :|

[Kane Knight]

It's supposed to be somewhere between Dynasty Warriors and Kessen.

[Just John]

It's supposed to be somewhere between Dynasty Warriors and Kessen.

Dont know those two games either, I dont play many

[Kane Knight]

One's a beat-em-up, one's a strategy game.

[LoDownM]

I can name...Err...One.

99 Nights. That's about it.


That Bioware rpg looks like it might be good to, Mass Effect I think it was called. to.

But yeah, unless they add a ton of features to Forza 2, that's about it.

[Kane Knight]

Mass Effect? Not heard of it.

[LoDownM]

Yeah I dont remember what it's called, I think thats it. To lazy to look, 3 hours of sleep does that to you.

[LoDownM]

http://masseffect.bioware.com/

[Kane Knight]

Wow. Looks decent, though I expected something, you know, not a shooter.

[Kane Knight]

I found the link myself, BTW. I was watching a trailer that took forever to load. :mad:

[LoDownM]

As long as it's not a huge let down like Jade Empire, i'll be satisfied.

[Kane Knight]

I dunno. Shooters aren't generally my thing,

[DS]

Yeah, Mass Effect looks really good.

Also, this thread should be in the movies/tv section. :$

[Funky Fly]

This is why I wanna wait a year before buying a PS3.