Charlie Haas

[Rammsteinmad]

AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Where is he?!?!?!

So he makes his return, has a great match with Shelton Benjamin. And then is booked in a fued with Viscera. Fucking Viscera!!! Who gives a shit about a man who's finisher is a gay hump?!?!?! And now Benjamin is like... nowhere...

Seriously, this guy should be fueding with people like Benjamin, Nitro, Carlito and Edge. Not fucking Viscera and Lillian!!!

Fucking WWE. This is so petty. This is clearly the old "Sign him, bury him, release him whilst owning the rights to his name" routine.

And this was brought on by watching Summerslam 1991. So I'm watching the bit where they show Macho Man propose to Elizabeth, and it reminded me... that time when Charlie, Dawn Marie and Jackie were caught in a love triangle... Charlie dumps Jackie, then gets on his knees to Dawn... Jackie is crying and people are quietly booing... then Charlie says "Dawn...... Why are you such a slut?" Crowd pops.

Man that was awesome! Fucking WWE. :foc:

[CharismaInjection]

This make you mad but....

He was on HEAT this week managing Viscera....

[Caged Heat18]

Poor Charlie, I wish they would use him so much better, even just use him.

[Petethegeekstreet]

You can't own the rights to his real name.

Anyhow, while Haas is a damn fine athlete and wrestler he has no personality or charisma. Lets face he isn't going to sell a t-shirt and he damn sure isn't going to sell a ticket. You best bet with Haas is to stck in a jobber tag team and let him carry more charismatic, though less talented people, in the ring. They tried giving him a storyline with Vis/Lillian. No one cared. No wander hes not doing shit.

[Craftsman]

^You say it like it was Hass's choice to be involved in those storylines. You obviously don't know what you are talking about here. Disregarded you shall be.

I still think we have yet to see Charlie's true potential. Put him in ECW and let him talk. Let him, not the WWE, talk. Then we'll see if he really doesn't have any charisma.

[Aussie Skier]

You can't own the rights to his real name.

Anyhow, while Haas is a damn fine athlete and wrestler he has no personality or charisma. Lets face he isn't going to sell a t-shirt and he damn sure isn't going to sell a ticket. You best bet with Haas is to stck in a jobber tag team and let him carry more charismatic, though less talented people, in the ring. They tried giving him a storyline with Vis/Lillian. No one cared. No wander hes not doing shit.

I'd buy a Charlie Haas t-shirt in a second!
Anyway, they just constantly drop the ball with Haas. There is so much he could do and could have done...

1. Been a badass with the whole Jackie-Dawn Marie thing.
2. Feud with Shelton B on Raw.
3. At least chase the tag titles with Vis.
4. Be a pure athlete ala Kurt Angle.

instead, they let him just waist away ...:nono:

[Xero]

You can't own the rights to his real name.

Anyhow, while Haas is a damn fine athlete and wrestler he has no personality or charisma. Lets face he isn't going to sell a t-shirt and he damn sure isn't going to sell a ticket. You best bet with Haas is to stck in a jobber tag team and let him carry more charismatic, though less talented people, in the ring. They tried giving him a storyline with Vis/Lillian. No one cared. No wander hes not doing shit.
Two words: Chris Benoit.

[Petethegeekstreet]

^You say it like it was Hass's choice to be involved in those storylines. You obviously don't know what you are talking about here. Disregarded you shall be.

I still think we have yet to see Charlie's true potential. Put him in ECW and let him talk. Let him, not the WWE, talk. Then we'll see if he really doesn't have any charisma.
Just because he doesn't pick the storylines doesn't mean its not his job to get them over, and that is his fault. If you have charisma you can get just about anything over, Haas cant get shit over, hell the WGTT was held on Benjamins back. Good wrestler, no charisma.

[Petethegeekstreet]

Two words: Chris Benoit.
They already have one of those.

[Fignuts]

Not on Raw.

[Better Than You]

Not on SD! either... :( I made myself sad.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Charlie Haas HAS FUCKING CHARISMA! People piss me off when they say he doesn't.

Seriously, the guy is damn charismatic. He's got that presence of the guy everyone liked in high school, just good at everything, you want to hate him for this, but he's just too damn nice.

When Charlie Haas accidentally injured Lilian Garica, it should have been the start of something. Show him dumping Miss Jackie and Dawn Marie at Armageddon 2004, and then show him injuring Lilian Garica. Then have him come out and cut a promo about how people cry for these women. They don't belong in Charlie Haas' ring. They are tolerable in three places: Charlie Haas' kitchen, Charlie Haas' laundry or on Charlie Haas' dick. Instant character.

Viscera comes out to get revenge for Lilian, gets the shit beat out of him in a squash match. To allow Vis some credibility, have Haas break a steel chair over his skull, giving him the DQ victory. The next week, Charlie Haas has a match with Val Venis. Haas doesn't take Venis seriously, and the two actually have a competitive match, but Haas wins. Continue has such.

Fucking idiots in the WWE thought the idea of a Charlie Haas vs. Viscera feud would be good. Idiots. It should have gone no longer than a single match.

[Afterlife]

Huzzah. :y:

[Kane Knight]

People are stupid. They assume that, because someone doesn't speak, he lacks charisma.

[Jaton]

Amazingly, his raging hard-on for Val Venis makes its way into this thread.


Just kidding Alienoid. :heart:

[Kane Knight]

Fucking idiots in the WWE thought the idea of a Charlie Haas vs. Viscera feud would be good. Idiots. It should have gone no longer than a single match.

I liked the way it ended when it ended. They just should have done something with it from there. As far as I'm concerned, they only dropped the ball by giving it some level of substance, ending it like that, and then not going anywhere with it.

[Rammsteinmad]

This make you mad but....

He was on HEAT this week managing Viscera....

What the fuck is Heat?

[Rammsteinmad]

They tried giving him a storyline with Vis/Lillian. No one cared. No wander hes not doing shit.

Come on, that's unfair! Has anyone ever cared about a Viscera storyline?

[Rammsteinmad]

Haas cant get shit over, hell the WGTT was held on Benjamins back. Good wrestler, no charisma.

I wouldn't say that's entirely true. When the WGTT were together they were both pretty much the same in say little, wrestle lots. When they split up was when we started to see more of Shelton Benjamin's character. Anyway, you can't blame any of this on Haas... look what they give him. Shelton Benjamin goes to Raw to fued with Triple H, while Charlie Haas is left on Smackdown to be involved in a love triangle with two sluts.

I'd like to see you get a storyline with Dawn Marien and Jackie over.

[Rammsteinmad]

Amazingly, his raging hard-on for Val Venis makes its way into this thread.


Just kidding Alienoid. :heart:

Val Venis VS Charlie Haas would be a pretty good fued. :yes:

[Rammsteinmad]

Okay, I'm officially a Charlie Haas mark now. I'd mark out if I'm lucky enough to see him on my TV screen.

[Afterlife]

Come on, that's unfair! Has anyone ever cared about a Viscera storyline?

Cynicism appreciated, but notably misguided.

When Viscera became 'The World's Largest Love Machine", his popularity skyrocketed. Vince had to tell the writers to stop using him, because it was getting too big, too fast.

Again, what people fail to understand is that just because you don't like the big fat guy doesn't mean you're getting the big picture. And, as KK so eloquently put, just because Charlie's not a chatterbox, doesn't mean he has no charisma.

[Petethegeekstreet]

Charlie Haas HAS FUCKING CHARISMA! People piss me off when they say he doesn't.
No, he really doesn't. And for the record be able to talk has nothing to do with charisma. Charisma will make a crowd stand up and take notice of you, not go by pop corn when your match comes up. If he had charisma he woulkd be able to get utter shit storylines over.

[Kane Knight]

look what they give him. Shelton Benjamin goes to Raw to fued with Triple H, while Charlie Haas is left on Smackdown to be involved in a love triangle with a Michael Cole and Rico--A gay stylist and...Well, Whatever Rico is.

[Kane Knight]

So then howcum Shelton's mama's boy gimmick/storyline was so poorly received?

Fact is, Shelton's not gotten such hot reactions when he's been in less than desriable roles.

[Petethegeekstreet]

Because boy cant work heel. He's like Steamboat, natural baby face. People wont boo they'll just go silent. Besides momma couldn't get her self over, she reeked of comercial actress and think the audience wasn't buying it.

[Rammsteinmad]

When Viscera became 'The World's Largest Love Machine", his popularity skyrocketed. Vince had to tell the writers to stop using him, because it was getting too big, too fast.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not.

[Rammsteinmad]

No, he really doesn't. And for the record be able to talk has nothing to do with charisma. Charisma will make a crowd stand up and take notice of you, not go by pop corn when your match comes up. If he had charisma he woulkd be able to get utter shit storylines over.

Charisma or no charisma, Charlie Haas is a great WRESTLER, and unfortunately, the reason he isn't as popular as he should be is because he has yet to be given the proper chance to show what he can do.

Since the WGTT, all we've been given is pretty average tag team matches with Rico or Hardcore Holly.

I thought his match with Shelton Benjamin was a sign of things to come... that they'd allow him to be a singles star and have proper matches... not 10 minute fillers, but 20 minute matches that mean something...

Unfortunately that's not what we got. :nono:

[Mr. Nerfect]

No, he really doesn't. And for the record be able to talk has nothing to do with charisma. Charisma will make a crowd stand up and take notice of you, not go by pop corn when your match comes up. If he had charisma he woulkd be able to get utter shit storylines over.

Yeah, because everyone LOVED Deacon Bautista, Flex Cavana, Triple H vs. Kevin Nash and Eddie Guerrero being the father of Rey's child.

Don't turn in a Vermaat. You're going that way.

Charlie Haas has charisma. I can smell it on him. I've smelt it on him when I visit Val Venis backstage. It's honestly there. :shifty:

Some people have the "Wooo! Look at me!" charisma, others have the silent "I'm going to kick your ass!" charisma. Haas has that. Unfortunately the WWE tries to push him as a "Wooo! Look at me!" charatcer. Fucking idiots.

Let Charlie Haas and Val Venis work a match on Heat, which Haas loses because Viscera fucks up and accidentally hits Haas, which allows Venis to hit The Money Shot. Haas gets pissed off at Viscera, and the two have a match on RAW. Haas wins, and then adds himself to the scheduled match at Unforgiven for the WWE Intercontinental Championship (Johnny Nitro vs. Jeff Hardy). Also add Val Venis in there, as he pinned Charlie Haas on Heat. Nitro and Hardy can bring the fun, Venis and Haas can bring the wrestling. I want to throw Shelton Benjamin in there as well, but they may be able to extend his program with Rob Conway to Unforgiven.

[Destor]

Charlie Haas is a great wrestler and could be successful if booked as such, but he Chris Benoit and Lance Storm could have a "who has less charisma match." He is completely void of that X factor that makes stand up and take notice. Pushed as a wrestler and not a personality he could get over, but that still doesn't mean he is charismatic. The Ultimate Warrior, theres a guy with charisma. He cant spit out the most incoherent babel and you are still drawn to listen, knowing all the while that its complete bull shit. Haas could actually have something interesting to say and he would have a hard time getting people to pay attention.


But that Benoit/Storm/Haas match would own ftr.

[Kane Knight]

Because boy cant work heel. He's like Steamboat, natural baby face. People wont boo they'll just go silent. Besides momma couldn't get her self over, she reeked of comercial actress and think the audience wasn't buying it.

Yeah, which is why he was able to get heat as part of Team Angle even after Angle left.

Right. Which would make sense, if you didn't already acredit Shelton as carrying the team. He can get a heel reaction, and play one well. He wasn't exclusively face up to the Mama's Boy angle. Sorry.

[Rammsteinmad]

Charlie Haas VS Chris Benoit :drool:

[Destor]

Angle got them over as heel KK, once you're over you tend to stay that way. They damn sure didn't get over on their own.

[Afterlife]

I can't tell if you're being serious or not.

Yes, I'm seroius. Because it's true, and stuff.

[Afterlife]

But this whole "charisma" argument is pretty moot, anyway. After all, as someone mentioned, Benoit is definitely the bottom of the charisma barrell, and Stevie Richards exudes it like nobody's business. But Benoit was a champ and Stevie may be pushed completely off tv. So what does this tell us? It tells us that, as always, our arguments don't matter because we don't run the biz. Logic to us is fool's gold to these people. Who knows what happened? CHarlie's got no luck with chicks, maybe he bumped into Linda in the hall and broke her sternum; Vince finds out and snubs his woulda-been-great 2nd chance. CHarisma or not, the guy's getting fucked and thusly, so are the fans.

[Kane Knight]

Benoit's not at the bottom of the Charisma battle, he's at the bottom of the mic skills barrel. When he appeals to the crowd, he still gets mad reactions. That's not wrestling skill, that's sheer charisma, quality of personality. As a heel, he's the same.

[Afterlife]

Your point-avoiding, sentence-picking tactics will not effect the fact that I'm right.

[Kane Knight]

Except your example is shit. Which is all I'm saying. :)

[parkmania]

Oh, and BTW, there was a Charlie Haas sighting on RAW last night when both Charlie and Vis and Cade and Murdoch wanted to be the team to go up against DX.

[Rammsteinmad]

Lame...