Jeff Hardy - the new Ultimate Warrior.

[PullMyFinger]

I can just see in a few years from now a DVD coming out called The Self-Destruction of the Hardy Boyz.

Matt - self explanatory.

Jeff - just like the Warrior, being unrealiable and getting released/resigning. I doubt he'll recapture what he once used to have in the late 90s/early 2000s.

[Petethegeekstreet]

He never really had anything. People just clung to him because A) they wanted to fuck him B) they liked the way he fell off those ladders or C) they were blind marks and they did what they were told.

[Blitz]

Or all of the above :naughty:

[The One]

Jeff was NEVER on Warrior's level, and I doubt his ability to fuck over his career is comparable to Hedwig's.

But I agree, Hardy won't come close to having his chemistry he used to ooze.

[BigDaddyCool]

Jeff was NEVER on Warrior's level, and I doubt his ability to fuck over his career is comparable to Hedwig's.

But I agree, Hardy won't come close to having his chemistry he used to ooze.

I think you meant charisma not chemistry. And I thought he was oozing some sort of neon glow face paint.

[darkpower]

I personally think Jeff is somewhat better than the Warrior was. We will see, though. Jeff shined more in tag teams.

[Destor]

I just cant see how Jeff is the more successful Hardy brother. For serious.

[Petethegeekstreet]

No shit. What the fuck do people see in this guy? I know I saw some guy with a Jeff avatar, maybe he can shed some light into this markdom.

[Destor]

I can only assume you mean Shadow.

[NoRoolz]

Appeal to the smarks Jeff might not, but 'The Hardy Boyz' were a huge success with marks and undoubtedly Jeff was the main reason for that. His 'ladder falling' may not appeal to some pure-wrestling lovers but his style obviously appealed to many as he was one of the most popular wrestlers on the roster 99-02. If you were a kid at the time and you often asked people 'Who's your favourite wrestler?' Jeff Hardy would come up regularly. Like him or not he is a draw. And before you all write him off give him a chance, he's still young and could well regain the draw-power he once had. I'm not saying he should be a title contender...far from it but his matches are always good midcard matches or P.P.V openers.

[Petethegeekstreet]

Appeal to the smarks Jeff might not, but 'The Hardy Boyz' were a huge success with marks and undoubtedly Jeff was the main reason for that. His 'ladder falling' may not appeal to some pure-wrestling lovers but his style obviously appealed to many as he was one of the most popular wrestlers on the roster 99-02. If you were a kid at the time and you often asked people 'Who's your favourite wrestler?' Jeff Hardy would come up regularly. Like him or not he is a draw. And before you all write him off give him a chance, he's still young and could well regain the draw-power he once had. I'm not saying he should be a title contender...far from it but his matches are always good midcard matches or P.P.V openers.
The Ultimate Warrior was over too

[NoRoolz]

Yeah, I meant that in response to the Jeff bashing though. He's a proven draw with the capability to pull off some :O moves/bumps. Although he may not be a great 'wrestler', like I said I wouldn't want him as champion but as a midcard wrestler I find him pretty entertaining. And if he can regain his 99-02 drawing power then he can only do good for the company I guess. Except for supplying the locker-room with marijuana of course...

[Petethegeekstreet]

I'm just saying a sit pertain sto the thread Hardy could be the next Warrior with or with your little speech.

[Fox]

In all fairness, Hardy has had 2 great matches with Edge and Randy Orton, two of RAW's biggest players, since his return.

And I've only counted one botch.

[Destor]

Huh, and here I thought those matches were borderline terrible.

[Destor]

Different strokes for different folks.

[Caged Heat18]

I don't think he has looked too terrible in his two week return, but he also, is wrestling the same basic match with the same moves. He hasn't looked bad, but also nothing to write home about. Plus, it is only a matter of time, I believe before he loses his motivation and starts losing focus in is matches and starts botching moves.

[TerranRich]

You guys are gonna laugh/boo me out of here, but Jeff Hardy could be a more credible World Champion than Rey Mysterio ever was.

No, seriously, think about it. All Rey did was get squashed in non-title matches and get lucky in title bouts. If they did it juuuust right, they could use Jeff Hardy's insanity and physical selflessness to explain away how he could retain a belt against credible contenders. While most of the boys "play it safe" so to speak, Jeff goes all out and risks himself like a nutcase in every match.

They could even end the title reign when he injures himself due to his insanity. I dunno, booked right, it could work. If Rey can be WHC, so can Jeff Hardy...and Mae Young...and Earl Hebner...while still in TNA... :shifty:

[McLegend]

Dude anyone if booked right could be better champion then Rey Mysterio was.

[Hanso Amore]

Hardy actually seemed liek a threat in a ladder match against the taker for the title.

He was over as shit back before he got canned. he could have been pushed to the title. Now after he has lost alot of his fanbase over time, not so much. But he does appeal to for the most part white trash teenage boys and girls of all ages, and that is a huge part of the audience. I can see him maybe getting a upper card push, probably into a fued with Umaga(a la Brock)

[Afterlife]

I like Jeff. :)

[El Fangel]

Frankly I like Jeff as he did some insane shit which entertained, I haven't seen Raw lately so Im unsure of whats going on with him.

Also I find it strange that Shadow hasn't posted here yet :p

[The One]

Hardy actually seemed liek a threat in a ladder match against the taker for the title.

He was over as shit back before he got canned. he could have been pushed to the title. Now after he has lost alot of his fanbase over time, not so much. But he does appeal to for the most part white trash teenage boys and girls of all ages, and that is a huge part of the audience. I can see him maybe getting a upper card push, probably into a fued with Umaga(a la Brock)

I was actually coming in here to bring up the match with Taker. It was good..it was very good actually. Quite possibly the best Taker match post the Deadman era. Plus it showed that if he gives a shit Jeff can be a star. He is undisputedly charismatic. I think he could be a huge star, but never World Champ. He could be, hell if Rey can anyone can. But Jeff shouldn't be World Champion. He should be at best the Mollion Dollar Man of the current era....and I am not meaning that Hardy has as much talent, simply comparing their place in the company. Jeff could be a wonderful main eventer who really makes it his career to put over other Main Eventers.

But I doubt it will happen like that. Hardy will get an IC Title run or two, maybe reunite the Hardys for a while, sooner or later he is gonna get busted for drugs and before you can say "The Next Shawn Michaels" (boy how many times did I use to hear that comparison) he will be gone.

[Shadow]

Shadow's busy man.

Sides, I'm tired and I dun wanna post anything of relevance about this just yet.

[The One]

Take a hit of this shit...man Jeff is awesome!

[Afterlife]

Radd went to a RAW show this weekend and said that there was a 3-way match with Carlito, Jeff and Nitro that was off the hook. I imagine we'll be seeing more of Hardy's ability come to the surface before his prognosticated drug bust.

And on that subject, I'd like to remind everyone that RVD had a 30 day suspension and Sabu got nothin', so Jeff may get a freebie on his first strike, should one arise.

[Hanso Amore]

I was actually coming in here to bring up the match with Taker. It was good..it was very good actually. Quite possibly the best Taker match post the Deadman era. Plus it showed that if he gives a shit Jeff can be a star. He is undisputedly charismatic. I think he could be a huge star, but never World Champ. He could be, hell if Rey can anyone can. But Jeff shouldn't be World Champion. He should be at best the Mollion Dollar Man of the current era....and I am not meaning that Hardy has as much talent, simply comparing their place in the company. Jeff could be a wonderful main eventer who really makes it his career to put over other Main Eventers.

But I doubt it will happen like that. Hardy will get an IC Title run or two, maybe reunite the Hardys for a while, sooner or later he is gonna get busted for drugs and before you can say "The Next Shawn Michaels" (boy how many times did I use to hear that comparison) he will be gone.

Agreed. If he was ever champ I think I would kill myself. but I do think he is over enough to be a main eventer. He just clicks with his fans, those weird lamp shade wearing fucks. He has that IT factor. he can botch a million moves, he can paint himself stupid, he can show up once a month, but the hardy fans love him no matter what.




Itsa actually kind of scary....

[Afterlife]

Does he turn you on, Matt?

[Rammsteinmad]

I remember that Ladder Match with Undertaker. That was really exciting, especially coz I didn't read the results in advance, and so at times thought maybe Jeff might have a chance at winning the title.

And his match with Jericho from No Way Out 2003 was pretty good. I haven't watched Raw for the last two weeks so I don't know what he's been like, but hopefully he's got himself sorted and can work things out.

[Juan]

Whoa, I can understand not being a Jeff Hardy fan, but his match with Edge was not terrible. Clean your spectacles jerky.

[Shadow]

Had a quick nap and some weed, let's get down to the nitty gritty.

Jeff really isn't going to be the next Ultimate Warrior. Whoever came up with that shit can go fuck themselves on Vince's dick. He will never get to that leval of dumbassity that Warrior got to. Why? Jeff doesn't have that type of ego. Oh sure, I'll be the first to scream like a little girl when I hear those drum beats hit the speakers. But I'll also be the first to admit he's a fucking moron at times. Has he made the best decisions in his life? Absolutly not. But I'll still support him even when he's being an idiot.

I heard someone question how Jeff can be so over as he is. Someone said it couldn't be explained, that Jeff just has IT. Well, I think I can shed some light on how Jeff can be so over with the marks, even after being "dead" for three years. He looks like one of your friends. Think about it. Everyone has the daredevil, the pot-smoker who seems to be taking all the risks. So he can connect to alot of people just because of who he is.

So yeah...sorta a rambling reasoning for how Jeff can be as over as he is. And sorta how he won't self destruct like Warrior. He'll probably end up dead in North Carolina after 10 more years of abusing his body like he does.

[Gerard]

Hardy never got much of a reaction last night, usually you at least hear the high pitched girls squeals when he comes out, but last night during his entrance i was more fascinated by the fact i could hear a mouse farting in the arena. Even when he started shiouting "hardy hardy" there wasn't must reaction from the crowd. :-\

[The One]

For the shortened version of Shadow's post, please see post #25.

[Shadow]

Hardy never got much of a reaction last night, usually you at least hear the high pitched girls squeals when he comes out, but last night during his entrance i was more fascinated by the fact i could hear a mouse farting in the arena. Even when he started shiouting "hardy hardy" there wasn't must reaction from the crowd. :-\

Nobody got much of a reaction last night.

Weird though.

[The One]

I was kind of suprised by the lack of response Jeff got last night...though Shadow does make a good point the entire night was kind of dead.

[Shadow]

Occasionally, even the retards make good points.

Even if your name is Vermaat.

[St. Jimmy]

Jeff is semi-entertaining and unpredictable, so he'll never be champion. That said I'd never want him as champion. He doesn't have the charisma that he used to. He looks burned out. Maybe cause I actually watched him in TNA I was turned off by him (turned off my TV).

[Hanso Amore]

Let Jeff win the title, and then replace the rated R spinner with a picture of him with a lampshade on his head.

[Shadow]

That's ratings right there.

[Jaton]

I've strangely marked out for him in the last 2 weeks.

[Skippord]

I also like Jeff

[DaBrasko]

I've always liked Jeff, with him being back it gives me the vibe of early 2000 when I had so much fun watching wrestling.

[Rammsteinmad]

Jeff is semi-entertaining and unpredictable, so he'll never be champion. That said I'd never want him as champion. He doesn't have the charisma that he used to. He looks burned out. Maybe cause I actually watched him in TNA I was turned off by him (turned off my TV).

Let's look at it this way. Eddie Guerrero and Jeff Hardy are both good, over mid-card wrestlers. They both have their drug problems and end up at the bottom of the bottom. They're sacked from WWE. They both work other promotions and earn their way back. We all know what Eddie went on to achieve. :yes:

[Shadow]

Let's look at it this way. Eddie Guerrero and Jeff Hardy are both good, over mid-card wrestlers. They both have their drug problems and end up at the bottom of the bottom. They're sacked from WWE. They both work other promotions and earn their way back. We all know what Eddie went on to achieve. :yes:

Yeah that'll never happen for Jeff.

[The One]

Let's look at it this way. Eddie Guerrero and Jeff Hardy are both good, over mid-card wrestlers. They both have their drug problems and end up at the bottom of the bottom. They're sacked from WWE. They both work other promotions and earn their way back. We all know what Eddie went on to achieve. :yes:

I'm sorry but Eddie Guerrero had more passion for Pro Wrestling in his pinky then Jeff Hardy has ever experienced in his entire life. Plus Eddie got his drug problems under control, I don't know that Jeff has....

Either way, Eddie had more skill then Jeff does...so...uh...yeah...

[TerranRich]

LMAO at the lampshade-wearing comments. Can I put your "He just clicks with his fans, those weird lamp shade wearing fucks." statement in my sig, Matt? :D

[Juan]

I've strangely marked out for him in the last 2 weeks.

[Lux]

I've always liked Jeff, with him being back it gives me the vibe of early 2000 when I had so much fun watching wrestling.

[Mister Sinister]

No shit. What the fuck do people see in this guy? I know I saw some guy with a Jeff avatar, maybe he can shed some light into this markdom.

Or maybe we just like spotty high flying wrestling?

[Mister Sinister]

I'm sorry but Eddie Guerrero had more passion for Pro Wrestling in his pinky then Jeff Hardy has ever experienced in his entire life. Plus Eddie got his drug problems under control, I don't know that Jeff has....

Either way, Eddie had more skill then Jeff does...so...uh...yeah...


That's like Comparing The Warrior to Kurt Angle...it's an comparsion that needs not to be made.

[Petethegeekstreet]

Or maybe we just like spotty high flying wrestling?Far be it for me to tell you spot wrestling is trash.

[Juan]

Far be it for me to tell you spot wrestling is trash.

Far be it for me to tell you that people have different tastes and that some people actually like it.

[TerranRich]

Hey, at least it's not fluourescent light tubes.

[Petethegeekstreet]

Hey, at least it's not fluourescent light tubes.Good point.

[Shadow]

Far be it for me to tell you spot wrestling is trash.

Far be it from me to tell you to shut the fuck up.

[Hanso Amore]

LMAO at the lampshade-wearing comments. Can I put your "He just clicks with his fans, those weird lamp shade wearing fucks." statement in my sig, Matt? :D

Enjoy it, for I am here for your pleasure

[Crippla]

Thank you Shadow, I know you think I'm a retard but I think we can both agree Pete sucks as well. Pete, you do need to shut the fuck up about other peoples opinions. Some people like high spot wrestling and instead of being a dick if you don't like it just respect their opinion and shut the fuck up because all of your posts are bullshit and people don't make fun of you because of your stupid opinions, its because of the retarded shit you say and the way you say it. FUCK YOU PETE!

[Shadow]

Yeah CC...shut up. You sound like a fucking dumbass when you "try" to insult people like that.

[Crippla]

I'm not insulting anyone. I'm just saying I don't like Pete just like you don't like me.

[Shadow]

I don't like either one of you.

But you reiterating what other people have said makes you look autistic. And not the idiot savant type either.

[Crippla]

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[Destor]

I have, on many occasions, expressed that spot wrestling is garbage. PERIOD. Its not even an opinion. Its like CZW fans saying hardcore isn't garbage. You "opinion" doesn't even matter, the same thing that makes hardcore wrestling garbage makes spot wrestling garbage. The lack of psychology = garbage. So I agree with Pete.

I must add though if you can add psychology to a spot heavy environment, as with hardcore, it will cease to be garbage.

[Crippla]

I can understand that, you giving a reason but Pete just says shit and shoves it down everyones throat and I can't stand him.

[Petethegeekstreet]

I have, on many occasions, expressed that spot wrestling is garbage. PERIOD. Its not even an opinion. Its like CZW fans saying hardcore isn't garbage. You "opinion" doesn't even matter, the same thing that makes hardcore wrestling garbage makes spot wrestling garbage. The lack of psychology = garbage. So I agree with Pete.

I must add though if you can add psychology to a spot heavy environment, as with hardcore, it will cease to be garbage.That pretty much where I was coming from. I just didn't want to have to tell anyone that.

[Crippla]

When you say something though give a reason and I want say so much shit about you.

[Petethegeekstreet]

No. I will give my opinoin. Fuck you for anything more.

[TerranRich]

Enjoy it, for I am here for your pleasure
ooOOOOOooohhhh... are you ribbed? :naughty:

[Hanso Amore]

ooOOOOOooohhhh... are you ribbed? :naughty:

I need no ribs. I do however come in the Extended pleasure variety.

[TerranRich]

Nice. That's good cuz I finish too quickly. Erm... :shifty:

[Lux]

No. I will give my opinoin. Fuck you for anything more.
You an opinion thats worth something?!? you seem to lack intelligence with spelling like that :nono:

[Hanso Amore]

Nice. That's good cuz I finish too quickly. Erm... :shifty:

Men dont finish too early, they always finish on time. Its the fucking bitches that take too long

[DRBailey]

Shadow got most of it right. My best mates modelled themselves on the Hardy Boyz and thats cause they had the look of that era when the alternative scene started to rise again, or at least around my area. Girls loved him b/c of ...well...and guys loved the fact that here was a guy who could throw himself off a ladder and carry on.

Of course now we know how he did carry on. Point being that Jeff was over to a stupid degree in his first run and challenged for the title on RAW a few times. Matt on the other hand was the more sensible one of the tag team and thus he lost a bit of shine to his brother, well till Mattitude was invented.

[Impact!]

Theres only three reasons I watch RAW and they're 1) Jeff Hardy 2) Carlito 3) The Highlanders