DISCUSSION: The Proper way to push Randy Orton and Sean O'Haire.....etc.

[Heyman]

DISCUSSION: The Proper way to push Randy Orton and Sean O'Haire.....etc.

In my opinion, here would be the IDEAL way to push Randy Orton and Sean O'Haire.

<font color=white>Randy Orton</font>

-After jobbing to Foley at Wrestlemania (in the tag match; Rock/Foley vs. Orton/Batista), have him get a return victory at Backlash a month later (to re-establish himself as a 'legend killer'). The Backlash match will be one on one.

-After his victory over Foley, Randy Orton stars challenging other 'legends'. For PPV matches, the WWE temporarily hires guys like Randy Savage (on an appearance basis), etc. to fight Orton. They all job to Orton. Orton even takes on his father in a PPV match. Eventually - Randy Orton turns on Flair and defeats him as well.

-After this, Randy Orton challenges.............Hulk Hogan to a match (Summerslam?). This *officially* is Hogan's last match in the WWE (;)). Orton defeats Hogan and becomes known as the man that "ended" Hulk Hogan. If Oldschool Undertaker is still around, Randy Orton can challenge Taker to a match (interpromotional feud). Orton takes him out as well. Even The Rock (comes back for another match?) falls victim to Randy Orton. Orton is still Intercontinental champ throughout this whole ordeal by the way.


-Basically, Orton "truly" does become a legend killer. After ALL of this has taken place, Orton gets pushed to the main-event level (and feuds with whomever is the champ at this time whether it be Chris Benoit, Kane, or a face Triple H). Orton "flukely" drops the belt to a mid-carder such as Booker T (thanks to an interference by the World Champion at the time), and this marks the beginning of Orton's main-event push. Orton vs. World Champion.

Perhaps all of the above can happen within a 8-12 month span.


<font color=white>Sean O'Haire:</font>

First off - I am GLAD that the WWE are holding off Sean O'Haire right now. :eek: WHY? you may ask? Think about it. In the last year and a half or so, the WWE have spend a LOT of time building up Lesnar, Orton, and Cena.......3 NEW guys. If the WWE were to push O'Haire at this same time, perhaps O'Haire's potential "heat" would be lost (due to being overshadowed by the other 'new' guys).

Once Orton, Lesnar, and Cena have fully been established (and I think they have pretty much reached that point now), THEN re-introduce Sean O'Haire. <font color=orange>That way - Sean O'Haire looks like "the new guy" and therefore, all of the 'new guy' heat will now be focused on him</font>.

I also suspect that the WWE are giving O'Haire some time off of TV, so that they can give him a better gimmick. The WWE KNOWS that they have something gold in O'Haire. Not only does he have "the look", but he has the size as well.

I've mentioned this before, but I wouldn't mind seeing O'Haire re-debut with a "well-known" manager. I'm not talking about someone TOO high profile (like Rowdy Roddy Piper, Paul Bearer, McMahon's, etc.,), but someone who can get O'Haire 'over', but not take away O'Haire's heat.

I am talking about Chyna; the 9th Wonder of the World

Think about it. Tazz and Cole can talk about the 'greatness' of Chyna........and how she initially helped Triple H get to the top of the business.

Sean O'Haire can easily be a main-event heel for the future. In some ways, I am glad that the WWE are holding him off right now.........so that they can think of the PERFECT way to give him a sensational push once they have firmly established the guys that they are currently trying to 'establish'.

But hey - I'm not telling you something, that you didn't already know. ;)

[Rock Bottom]

Definitely a neat point of view, and some good stuff in there, but I don't like the idea of having Orton lay down at Wrestlemania then feed him all the top names. I think the Legend Killer part is great, but if he fights The Rock, The Undertaker, or anyone like that, at this point and time and even later in this year, they had better kick his ass, imo.

[Heyman]

Definitely a neat point of view, and some good stuff in there, but I don't like the idea of having Orton lay down at Wrestlemania then feed him all the top names. I think the Legend Killer part is great, but if he fights The Rock, The Undertaker, or anyone like that, at this point and time and even later in this year, they had better kick his ass, imo.

I'm thinking that with Undertaker and The Rock, they can have one victory over Orton. Orton then gets a return victory?

As far as Mania goes, I'm thinking that Foley could pin Orton under the premise that it's a tag match (i.e. Evolution vs. Rock N'Sock). Maybe Batista inadvertently screws up and puts Orton in a precarious position?

[Rock Bottom]

I think they're doing great with Orton, I'd like to see his push continue at a slow and careful pace. He doesn't strike me as the type of guy to rush, wouldn't want him to get ruined. I think he's great with the IC strap right now, needs some more victories under his belt with some of the high-midcarders (the match with RVD was a good example) before he can step into the ring with the big boys and make it believable when he wins.

I'd hate to see them do what they did with Brock Lesnar.

[Rock Bottom]

Yeah I agree. I love Foley and I love The Rock even more, but I don't think Orton should lay down in that match directly.

[Heyman]

I think they're doing great with Orton, I'd like to see his push continue at a slow and careful pace. He doesn't strike me as the type of guy to rush, wouldn't want him to get ruined. I think he's great with the IC strap right now, needs some more victories under his belt with some of the high-midcarders (the match with RVD was a good example) before he can step into the ring with the big boys and make it believable when he wins.

I'd hate to see them do what they did with Brock Lesnar.

Yeah - I see what you're saying.

I guess what I'm trying to say, is that they should make Orton (the Intercontinental champion) to look 'no less' than whomever the World Champion is............kind of like when Stone Cold was being built up in 97'.

Getting wins over ALL of those legends is probably a bit too excessive, but maybe even just one or two of those would be enough.

[Rock Bottom]

Hell yeah, I agree 100%. Randy Orton is clearly something to work with. He is material and he's raw. I think that just may happen though, Orton, if he defends his title more often after the Foley feud, will bring some serious credibility back to the Intercontinental Title, rather than the kind of "Mid-Card Title" flavor it has right now.

[The CyNick]

First, I dont think Rock is doing anymore matches in 2004, I think its Mania, and then thats it.

As for the rest, I invented the Orton beating Foley at Backlash scenario, so yeah I agree with that.

After that, I think he'll be at a point where people consider him a lower end main eventer. I mean he's already there now, but after he looks strong against Foley, I think he'll be taken more seriously as a main event guy.

The way I see things shaping up, you could have him fued with a babyface Jericho (I know that sounds weak for Jericho, but we have to be realistic), for a couple of months. I still think he needs a decisive win over HBK (although it looks like the Kliq is back in town and they wont be doing many more JOBs). I would also have him go toe to toe with Benoit while Benoit still has the title. If Benoit loses the title, then Benoit would be a perfect guy to have a long terms fued with Randy and put him over in the ring. That would take you to the Fall. At that point he can do the turn on Hunter, and first fued with Flair. Then, and I would guess this would be the long term plan for Mania next year, have Orton face HHH for the World Title and go over.

But of course, you have to take small steps with him, if he continues to improve and continues to get over, you continue the push. If not, maybe you scale back the push a little and take more time. However, I think he'll be ready to carry the ball by this time next year.

If they were to bring back Hogan for another match, it might as well be against Austin so they can get a decent buyrate out of it. I dont think, at this point Hogan can actually put someone over. I mean he's too pooor a worker to really put over someone, and I'm sure he'd work the match in a way that made him look like the big star instead of the guy he is being asked to put over (Ask Rock about that one).

As for O'Haire, I'm not sold ont he guy. he had some cool promos, he has an awesome look, but he's nothing special in the ring, so who knows if he actually can go? In terms of a push, if Taker stays long term in the Deadman gimmick, O'Haire would be a good guy to fued with. Ive also talked about turning Edge heel, so maybe he could align with O'Haire and work against Taker.

O'Haire is tough to book long term because I have no idea how the fans will take to him now, but he's got the right WWE look, so I'm sure he'll get another shot at some point.

I just dont see Chyna ever coming back. If you are Steph and you run the coampny, do you want you husband's ex girlfriend hanging around? And if you're Chyna do you want to work for your ex's current wife? Doesn't seem like it would work, plus I find Chyna to be useless anyway, so.

[Loose Cannon]

As for O'Haire, I'm not sold ont he guy. he had some cool promos, he has an awesome look, but he's nothing special in the ring, so who knows if he actually can go? In terms of a push, if Taker stays long term in the Deadman gimmick, O'Haire would be a good guy to fued with. Ive also talked about turning Edge heel, so maybe he could align with O'Haire and work against Taker.

Finally, someone who sees my opinion on a O'Haire-Taker feud. Yes, I've been saying this that O'Haire would be perfect to feud with Taker because of his dark character.

And Heyman, I wouldn't change O'Haire's gimmick in the least bit. He has got a very unique gimmick in the WWE right now and if they would just push him, I think he could do wonders with it. Gimmicks are something that are really lacking on the young guys in this day and age in wrestling, so why throw a gimmick like that away?

[Cage21]

How to push Orton and O'Haire?

Hmm...well, for Orton I'd prefer if they pushed him right out the front door.

Now, as for O'Haire. I think he would've been perfect for the Eddy/Chavo split, especially with the whole devil's advocate gimmick. I think he'd fit better on Raw right now, maybe mix him into the Christian/Trish/Jericho storyline.

[Loose Cannon]

How to push Orton and O'Haire?

Hmm...well, for Orton I'd prefer if they pushed him right out the front door.

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[The Icon of Elisim]

I don't like the idea of bringing back legends to feed Orton. The legend killer is a good gimmick but it shouldn't be the central aspect of his character. If he continues to only face legends then it alienates him from the rest of the roster. Also if you are bringind in all of those old wrestlers to fight for the IC title you are taking away the belts credibility and hurting the wrestlers who actually deserve it. Plus its been proven that bringing back old wrestlers doesn't do much for ratings.

I would get Orton over by having him take out HHH, thus also helping HHH who needs a character change. HHH loses the title at Wrestlemania. Next night on Raw Orton takes out Triple H and takes control of Evolution. He'll give a whole bit about how only the strongest survive in the WWE and how Triple H is no longer the strongest. Orton is now the leader of Evolution with Batista and possibly Flair. At Backlash you could either have Orton vs Foley or Orton vs Flair where Orton goes over in either case.

I don't know when Triple H is due back from filming his movie but Orton would have fueds with Jericho and possibly Benoit depending on how long HHH is out for.

Eventually HHH comes back, costs Orton the IC belt and gets into a fued with him. From there he can go into a fued with Benoit for the title.

[Kane Knight]

If you're gonna feed that many legends to Orton, it should be over a larger period or time.

The gimmick's seriously good, and it's got potential. No need to shoot their wad just yet. I'd like to see him have time todevelop with the Foley angle and afterwards before he puts away another couple of legends.

[Disturbed316]

I think the only reason O'Haire is off tv right now is because he's still recovering from his motorcycle accident.

But when he returns I would like for him to still have his gimmick which they had all those promos for :y:

[Mister Sinister]

As for O'Haire, I'm not sold ont he guy. he had some cool promos, he has an awesome look, but he's nothing special in the ring, so who knows if he actually can go? In terms of a push, if Taker stays long term in the Deadman gimmick, O'Haire would be a good guy to fued with. Ive also talked about turning Edge heel, so maybe he could align with O'Haire and work against Taker.

O'Haire is tough to book long term because I have no idea how the fans will take to him now, but he's got the right WWE look, so I'm sure he'll get another shot at some point.

I just dont see Chyna ever coming back. If you are Steph and you run the coampny, do you want you husband's ex girlfriend hanging around? And if you're Chyna do you want to work for your ex's current wife? Doesn't seem like it would work, plus I find Chyna to be useless anyway, so.

You must of missed O'Haire WCW Work, Which is why, myself and so many want to see him on TV, Of course, I guess that got ruined, after we was told doing the Invasion that he can't work the WWE Style, And I like the Idea of Taker and O'Haire working together, but if you remember, Taker is the reason we seen O'Haire get squashed, all because of O'Haire sitting down while shaking takers hand....But if O'Haire is given a Chance to really show his in ring skills, He really is something different, I mean the guy is extremely agile for a man of his size and has the ability to be a great wrestler, if he were ever really given the chance.

[The CyNick]

You must of missed O'Haire WCW Work, Which is why, myself and so many want to see him on TV, Of course, I guess that got ruined, after we was told doing the Invasion that he can't work the WWE Style, And I like the Idea of Taker and O'Haire working together, but if you remember, Taker is the reason we seen O'Haire get squashed, all because of O'Haire sitting down while shaking takers hand....But if O'Haire is given a Chance to really show his in ring skills, He really is something different, I mean the guy is extremely agile for a man of his size and has the ability to be a great wrestler, if he were ever really given the chance.

Trust me dude I've seen his work in WCW, it wasn't good.

I have always maintained he has a cool look, and he should get a chance at some point due to his size, but in terms of his work in the ring, it wasn't very good. Yeah he had some cool moves for a bigger guy, but that doesn't make someone a good worker. Doing spots in one thing, putting together a good solid match is a totally different animal. Honestly, I haven't see O'Haire work a lengthy match in years, so I cant comment on his skills now, but when he was in WCW he was a below average worker, who had some cool looking spots. That needs to be improved if he's going to get pushed.

[Ricky]

What exactly IS O'Haire's gimmick?

He's never on telly so I don't know.

[Mister Sinister]

What exactly IS O'Haire's gimmick?

He's never on telly so I don't know.

Thank Of It, As The Devil on Your shoulder, You know in the Cartoons, When you have the Angel on one shoulder and the Devil on the other, trying to help you deceide what to do, O'Haire would be the Devil side of it

[John la Rock]

Sean O'Haire sucks

[Ricky]

lol