Looks like WSX and TNA have company in taking on the WWE...

[Mr. Nerfect]

Source: 411Mania.com

100% Adrenaline is Unleashed upon the new network for men, MavTV

September 25, 2006 - Las Vegas, NV

Las Vegas, Nevada/Los Angeles, California, Sep. 22, 2006: Adrenaline Unleashed, LLC and NWA Pro Wrestling, LLC have come to terms in partnering to produce content for national cable television network, MavTV. Independently owned and operated by the Mav'rick Entertainment Network, MavTV has announced that it will add "Adrenaline Unleashed" to its lineup in November. The first program offering from this new partnership will be a National Wrestling Alliance branded weekly television hour. The partnership also plans to produce specials and develop several pro wrestling related programs for MavTV and other media distribution.

"When we started our company a couple of years ago we thought we would strictly be a wrestling promotion producing live events and local television, but when we secured a slot with MavTV we entered the national playing field and thought how to best use this new medium… we would have to partner with someone to produce the best possible product and that is when NWA Pro Wrestling entered the picture" said Kent Wilson, Co-Owner of Adrenaline Unleashed LLC "The reason we chose them as a partner is because of the rich and storied history of the alliance and this year NWA Pro Wrestling has staged close to 80 live events across the North America and Australia and they are known by the pro wrestling community as quality producers of wrestling media" Wilson continued.

"Everyone at NWA Pro is excited about the opportunity to showcase our brand of pro wrestling" states Martin Lurie, Operations Manager, NWA Pro Wrestling LLC "Our team has a tons of experience producing wrestling television and its going to be great to see those three letters stand alone again, coast to coast on television" Lurie added.

Targeting men with irreverent, original content, MavTV features insane sports, gaming, gadgets, laughs, and of course, beautiful women. Adrenaline Unleashed pro wrestling will help anchor MavTV's new Wednesday night lineup filled with all forms of testosterone charged programming.

"Wednesdays are a bit of a dead zone for sports, so MavTV is going to awaken prime time with a seismic bang by providing guys with all kinds of never-before-seen combat. It's going to be parts wrestling, parts extreme fighting and 100% intense" says Rob Stevens, Vice President of Programming for MavTV.

Bob Trobich, Executive Director, National Wrestling Alliance said "We are proud of this great achievement in securing television placement, its not easy getting on and now that we have this platform its time to reintroduce and educate this generation of wrestling fans on what the NWA is all about and how there would be no WWE or TNA today without an association with this membership. We understand that we have a responsibility to produce outstanding and compelling programming and I assure you that our folks will deliver."

MavTV is making tremendous strides with its distribution, having have signed 16 distribution deals, including Charter and Verizon. With new markets launching every month, MavTV is now in front of approximately 1.2 million homes across more than 45 markets.

In the coming weeks MavTV will be releasing more information including the series launch date and time the program will be aired.

Adrenaline Unleashed, LLC is based out of Las Vegas, Nevada and are the creators of the sports entertainment product currently labeled as the new surge of professional wrestling. Adrenaline Unleashed is forward thinking and creatively ambitious to deliver a fresh new style of pro wrestling entertainment through live events and national and international network television production.



MavTV Gets Tough with XCW Wrestling

September 12, 2006 - Denver, CO

DENVER – September 12, 2006 – MavTV, independently owned and operated by the Mav'rick Entertainment Network, has announced that it will add "XCW Wrestling" to its lineup in November. Targeting men with irreverent, original content, MavTV features insane sports, gaming, gadgets, laughs, and of course, beautiful women. XCW Wrestling will help anchor MavTV's new Wednesday night lineup filled with all forms of testosterone charged programming.

"Wrestling fans are among the most loyal and involved viewers and these programs have long delivered the strongest male demos in the history of cable television. XCW Wrestling is a perfect fit for our men's network, MavTV," says Rob Stevens, MavTV's Vice President of Programming.

XCW Wrestling is based in Denton, Texas and, through their production arm, Mindbenders Entertainment, stages pro wrestling events throughout Texas and the Southwest. With up-and-coming stars like Heavyweight Champ Jack Drastic, Lance Romance, Hotstuff Hernandez, Rodney Mack, and The Hardcore Icon Necro Butcher, XCW Wrestling has generated a huge fan following. They currently sell-out their live events and have a tremendously successful pay-per-view audience and home video sales operation. "XCW has been growing by leaps and bounds over the last three years. The audience for our pay-per-view events has shown us that our fan base wants to see more XCW on TV, so a regularly scheduled network cable show is a logical next step," says Robert Luke, President of Mindbenders Entertainment and XCW Pro Wrestling.

While other cable networks feature only a single, larger wrestling league on their program schedules, MavTV will begin offering wrestling fans a variety of top quality wrestling events. MavTV wrestling will be less about big explosions and special effects; instead it will get back to wrestling's roots with great storylines, irreverent characters, and a focus on the fights themselves.

"We want to offer fans more of the classic wrestling program that most people grew up watching. MavTV wrestling will look and feel very accessible to our TV audience because it will more closely resemble the kinds of events they can see in their own towns," says Mr. Stevens of MavTV.

MavTV is making tremendous strides with its distribution, having have signed 16 distribution deals, including Charter and Verizon. With new markets launching every month, MavTV is now in front of approximately 1.2 million homes across more than 45 markets.

About XCW Pro Wrestling & Mind Benders Entertainment

XCW Pro Wrestling is a production of Mindbenders Entertainment. Founded by Robert Luke, Mindbenders is a full-serviced, multifaceted entertainment conglomerate. Mindbenders Entertainment represents some of the most innovative properties and creative forces in the entertainment industry. XCW is one of the longest running Professional wrestling shows in Texas. For more information on XCW Pro Wrestling visit www.XCWprowrestling.com , and for more on Mindbenders Entertainment visit www.MindbendersEntertainment.net. Mav'rick Entertainment Network's, "MavTV"

Mav'rick Entertainment Network's "MavTV" is a 24-hour cable television network that puts an irreverent perspective on television content for men. MavTV airs both original and licensed series, targeting all themes relevant to men: insane sports, gaming, women, gadgets and men's information, and comedy. Content on MavTV is presented with an attitude unlike anything else seen on television, all from a male perspective. MavTV is a natural fit for enhancing the value proposition of digital sports tiers or expanded basic with a strong emphasis on sports and gaming in the product mix (50%); rounded out with a variety of other topics men are interested in (50%). Launched on October 1, 2004, the network is independently owned and operated. More information on MavTV can be found at www.mavtv.net.

[Mr. Nerfect]

-Some follow up on the press releases from MavTV earlier. Adrenaline Unleashed will interestingly enough be branded with the National Wrestling Alliance name. This is interesting because TNA Wrestling has a lease with the National Wrestling Alliance to use the NWA name in promoting the NWA World and NWA World Tag Team Titles.

-Adrenaline Unleashed runs out of Las Vegas and lists the following talent for their roster: the Ballards, Human Tornado, Davey Richards, Aaron Aguilera, The Messiah, Al Katarazz, and Navajo Warrior. Their official website is www.adrenaline-unleashed.com.

-XCW runs out of Denton Texas on a weekly basis and has done Internet PPV's. They have used talent such as Rodney Mack, Necro Butcher, Masada, Scott Putski, Chris Marvel, Don Juan, Kit Carson, and Darin Childs. They have had some small southwestern market TV clearances. Their official website is www.xcwprowrestling.com.

-Adrenaline Unleashed and XCW will be part of a Wednesday night programming block that will be dubbed "The Toughest Night of TV" and debut in November.

-MavTV is expected to announce a deal to carry WWE Developmental Deep South Wrestling as well.

-Currently 45-50 cable providers in different states including Florida, Virginia, Missouri, Texas, Illinois, North Carolina, and South Carolina carry MavTV. To see if you get MavTV, head over to www.mavtv.com

Credit: PWInsider.com

[Pepsi Man]

WTMF

A network already going out and making deals with two promotions? If this network becomes widely available, this could be interesting.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This is HUGE news, in my opinion. Two new wrestling promotions, MTV is going to market wrestling (and they have enough sheep these days) and Kurt Angle in TNA. Ladies and gentlemen, you may be looking at a revival.

This is probably really unrealistic, but am I the only one who would like to see the NWA World Heavyweight Championship and NWA World Tag Team Championship expand to Adrenaline Unleashed, as well as TNA? The NWA banner could be revived, and Hell, stranger things have happened in history. The owners of Adrenaline Unleashed and XCW should probably come to a deal where they work together. This a huge break for them.

[Savio]

I heard cbs was trying to do something too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Plus, with DSW getting air-time, one has to question whether Vince will bite the bullet and start his own territory scene, with OVW also getting put on somewhere.

I can almost feel the industry changing.

[Pepsi Man]

This is HUGE news, in my opinion. Two new wrestling promotions, MTV is going to market wrestling (and they have enough sheep these days) and Kurt Angle in TNA. Ladies and gentlemen, you may be looking at a revival.

This is probably really unrealistic, but am I the only one who would like to see the NWA World Heavyweight Championship and NWA World Tag Team Championship expand to Adrenaline Unleashed, as well as TNA? The NWA banner could be revived, and Hell, stranger things have happened in history. The owners of Adrenaline Unleashed and XCW should probably come to a deal where they work together. This a huge break for them.
I'll believe in WSX when I see it at this point. As for the other two companies, they're not sounding like "huge deals" right now. Just because a wrestling company is on television doesn't mean it will be watched, nor does it mean that it will survive. It could become huge news, but it's not huge right now.

As for the NWA titles being featured in Adrenaline, they probably should, but I think that's all in TNA's court now, as I believe they're leasing the championships.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'll believe in WSX when I see it at this point. As for the other two companies, they're not sounding like "huge deals" right now. Just because a wrestling company is on television doesn't mean it will be watched, nor does it mean that it will survive. It could become huge news, but it's not huge right now.

As for the NWA titles being featured in Adrenaline, they probably should, but I think that's all in TNA's court now, as I believe they're leasing the championships.

WSX hasn't got me excited at this point, either, but it's out there. In some form.

And there is no way that these promotions are "instant competition", but have there ever been this many wrestling shows on TV? What if Ted Turner sees this chaos and decides to get back into it?

If I were TNA, I'd really consider banding together with this Adrenaline Unleashed. Not too far, just have the NWA Champions appear on both shows. The "Championship Committee" should as well. This could allow the AU guys to get some PPV time, and it allows TNA another hour of programming (in effect).

Vince must at least be getting migraines over this.

[Pepsi Man]

Plus, with DSW getting air-time, one has to question whether Vince will bite the bullet and start his own territory scene, with OVW also getting put on somewhere.

I can almost feel the industry changing.
They've already announced UPW as an official developmental territory. Televised or not, I think DSW and OVW will remain as developmental territories for the WWE, and even if they don't, it'd probably be easier to find another indy fed or two than to "start their own territory scene."

[ron the dial]

Whether these promotions (WSX included) actually get off the ground is irrelevant to me. The fact that television stations are taking an interest in expanding the wrestling product is what matters to me. Like Alienoid said, it just feels like things are changing and doing so in a positive direction. The more positive interest in wrestling the better.

[Pepsi Man]

WSX hasn't got me excited at this point, either, but it's out there. In some form.

And there is no way that these promotions are "instant competition", but have there ever been this many wrestling shows on TV? What if Ted Turner sees this chaos and decides to get back into it?

If I were TNA, I'd really consider banding together with this Adrenaline Unleashed. Not too far, just have the NWA Champions appear on both shows. The "Championship Committee" should as well. This could allow the AU guys to get some PPV time, and it allows TNA another hour of programming (in effect).

Vince must at least be getting migraines over this.
I highly doubt Vince even cares about any of this, sans Angle signing with TNA. I don't remember a time with five (including WWE, WSX, TNA, Adrenaline, and XCW for this purpose) feds on national television, but I also don't remember a time with so many fucking channels and programs out there to compete with, wrestling and NON wrestling. I'm just going to have to see something before I get excited or see any of these feds as competition (even with Angle in TNA, I STILL don't see them as competition at this point).

[Boondock Saint]

Never even heard of MavTV. I doubt I get it so this is kinda meh too me. Sounds just like SpikeTV. I'd certainly check these two feds out to see what they're about though.

When is WSX supposed to start anyway?

[.44 Magdalene]

I doubt I'll get it...fuck, I didn't get UPN. If it's wrestling, though, I'll watch the shit out of it. Hell, I watched luche libre in Spanish when I skimmed by it on accident.

[Kane Knight]

I don't get it, though Adelphia supposedly carries it.

[Mr. JL]

I've heard this before.

[Mr. JL]

Honestly, there have been a handful of times in the past few years where someone reports that a wrestling company is going national with a TV deal and then it never happens for one reason or another.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Honestly, there have been a handful of times in the past few years where someone reports that a wrestling company is going national with a TV deal and then it never happens for one reason or another.

That's true, but this seems to be the real deal. They actually have dates set and what-not.

Here is the card for the Adrenaline Unleashed two-hour debut special, entitled "Adrenaline Unleashed Presents NWA Wrestling Showcase":

-Phoenix Star & Zokre vs. Black Tiger and Puma vs. Karl "Machine Gun" Anderson & Joey Ryan to decide the first-ever Copa de Lucha Champions.

-"Scrap Iron" Adam Pearce vs. Frankie Kazarian

-Babi Slymm & Kafu vs. "Classic" Colt Cabana & Plague

-Konnan & Human Tornado vs. Aaron Aguilera & Al Katrazz

-Derek Sanders & Durango Kid vs. NWA British Commonwealth Champion Paul Tracy & Zarco

-Sean "Syxx-Pac" Waltman vs. CMLL Super Ligero Champion Rocky Romero in a Non-Title Match

-El Hijo de Santo & Rey Misterio Sr. vs. L.A. Park and Fobia in a 2/3 Falls Match

Credit: PWInsider.com

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That is a pretty good card. Phoenix Star & Zokre are always exciting, Adam Pearce is an ROH guy, who is pretty solid all-round, and most of us know Frankie Kazarian from his stints in TNA and the WWE. Babi Slymm, Kafu & Plague are news to me, but who can look past Colt fucking Cabana? He makes the whole show. Konnan is a recogniseable face, and The Human Tornado has that hilarious video on YouTube. Aaron Aguilera is solid, and is great on the mic; I don't know Al Katrazz, but his name is better than most on the indy scene. He can get some attention.

The tag team match featuring the NWA British Commonwealth Champion doesn't have anyone in it I more than know of, but here's hoping they're solid. Waltman is a good talent when he needs to be, and Rocky Romero can kill a few bitches, so it may be worth tuning in just to see that.

The main event just sounds awesome.

It's a shame not too many people can get it. Hopefully Australia picks some of this shit up. :-\

[Mr. Nerfect]

-As noted earlier MavTV is negotiating a deal to air WWE Developmental territory Deep South Wrestling, as well as a women's group for additional wrestling programming. This will fit into the network's attempt to attract a mostly male demographic.

Credit: PWInsider.com

[Boondock Saint]

ROFL Al Katrazz.

[Fignuts]

Black tiger and Puma? Excellent.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They should try and get Kid Kash and Matt Morgan for their promotional, as well as Chris Kanyon.

[St. Jimmy]

This too shall pass.

[Lara Emily]

OMG OMG 2 random promotions getting tv deals on some obscure specialty cable channel that probably less than a third of the US gets, the WWE has huge competition now!

[Jeritron]

With 23 posts, we've already given more concern and discussion to this than Vince and WWE has. I'm sure he used the memo to wipe his hands after lunch today.

[Gulak]

Who? It's not worth discussing until I see a commercial. "I can feel the industry changing." Alienoid is losing it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

OMG OMG 2 random promotions getting tv deals on some obscure specialty cable channel that probably less than a third of the US gets, the WWE has huge competition now!

No one fucking here said "huge competition". The best you'll find is "things are starting to move along".

[Mr. Nerfect]

With 23 posts, we've already given more concern and discussion to this than Vince and WWE has. I'm sure he used the memo to wipe his hands after lunch today.

Vince cares if other TV stations are putting up wrestling. He's not sweating it, but I doubt he's stupid enough to not check this shit out and buy most of the people under contract to them.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Who? It's not worth discussing until I see a commercial. "I can feel the industry changing." Alienoid is losing it.

When has there been this much wresting on network TV? Kurt Angle has gone to TNA. Anyone who doesn't act like these are two dramatic changes are fools.

[Jeritron]

I agree, I dont doubt Vince keeps a very sharp eye on things. I was just being a wise-ass haha

[Corkscrewed]

btw, didn't Spike TV market itself as a "network for men?"

Just saying, cuz that hasn't worked out for them too well. :lol:

[TerranRich]

WHAT the FUCK is MavTV?

[Loose Cannon]

OMG OMG 2 random promotions getting tv deals on some obscure specialty cable channel that probably less than a third of the US gets, the WWE has huge competition now!

LOL Exactly

[Mr. Aristocrat]

I've heard this before.
That's exactly what I was thinking. I KNOW I have heard about this exact promotion getting a TV deal before around a year ago...infact it might have been on TPWW's boards that I heard it as well...:shifty:

[Destor]

It was.

[Destor]

http://tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=42440&highlight=adrenaline+unleashed

Originally posted by Me.

[Mr. Aristocrat]

Well there ya go. Before Alienoid begins giving 10 page long fantasy bookings of them over throwing Vince McMahon and bring forth the winds of change, let's see it actually happen. All this "So much wrestling on TV!" shit, remember that as of right now, WWE has two major shows and one that is basically a combination of Velocity and HeAT, and there is TNA. Four wrestling shows, two promotions. That's it. Nothing has changed yet, and even if somehow WSX and Unleashed get off the ground...personally I don't see things changing. McMahon is god, TNA is struggling (though getting better) and everyone else is fodder.

[Kane Knight]

OMG OMG 2 random promotions getting tv deals on some obscure specialty cable channel that probably less than a third of the US gets, the WWE has huge competition now!

To be fair, when WWE went to Spike, they had a pretty shitty market.

On the other hand, WWE was was made them grow, and I doubt the concept of "indy promotion getting TV deal" is enough to really change things up much.

[Kane Knight]

http://tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=42440&highlight=adrenaline+unleashed

Originally posted by Me.

IT'S STILL NEW TO...Oh, forget it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Well there ya go. Before Alienoid begins giving 10 page long fantasy bookings of them over throwing Vince McMahon and bring forth the winds of change, let's see it actually happen. All this "So much wrestling on TV!" shit, remember that as of right now, WWE has two major shows and one that is basically a combination of Velocity and HeAT, and there is TNA. Four wrestling shows, two promotions. That's it. Nothing has changed yet, and even if somehow WSX and Unleashed get off the ground...personally I don't see things changing. McMahon is god, TNA is struggling (though getting better) and everyone else is fodder.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're already advertising the time and date. I'm not saying it will be a definite success, but I'm almost positive it's going to "get off the ground". How far is the question.

And where the fuck have I said it's going to be big competition? Fucking smart-ass idiots are actually worse than the people they "imitate". All I've said is that this is a positive step for the wrestling industry. If you all want to see McMahon perform fellatio on himself during the timeslot where a wrestling show used to be, that's fine, but for all those craving a direction for the industry...here it is.

"It's too small, "They've got no chance", "Vince will destroy them (even though he is yet to destroy TNA, who just got Kurt fucking Angle)," etc. Shut the fuck up and SUPPORT IT! If you don't want to, fine...but fuck off. Anyone angry with the WWE product can find solace in the fact that networks are at least interested in adopting alternative wrestling programming.

And yes, there were rumours of this promotion getting started up about a year ago. Sometimes things don't happen overnight. They've actually filmed the special they will be airing, they actually seem to have the support of the NWA. It's going places, and WSX looks to be too. They may not, but at this stage I'd say it is likely.

[Mr. JL]

I'm not going to get my hopes up until they air their first show, but if they produce some good wrestling matches than I'll definitely support the product.

I am so sick of the WWE.

[Mr. JL]

and Jarrett's promotion is unbearable.

[Jeritron]

Vince doesnt want to destroy TNA or other promotions. Supposedly his philosophy is help yourself but dont hurt the other guy, which I believe he means.

[Kane Knight]

Vince doesnt want to destroy TNA or other promotions. Supposedly his philosophy is help yourself but dont hurt the other guy, which I believe he means.

Which has been so eloquently illustrated thus far.

[Mr. JL]

Didn't Vince buy out all the name drawing wrestlers from all the different territories, and basically kill them in the process?

[Mr. JL]

back in the 80's that is

[Mr. Aristocrat]

That was him helping himself. :shifty:

[Kane Knight]

Didn't Vince buy out all the name drawing wrestlers from all the different territories, and basically kill them in the process?

Didn't he more recently start snatching up anyone he could, sign them to contracts with long no compete clauses, and trademark the fuck out of everything except "WWF?"

[Mr. Aristocrat]

Again, just helping himself. McMahon needs a lot of trademarks and a lot of wrestlers to not use.

[Kane Knight]

And IS IT NOT TRUE that Vince is ALSO a VAMPIRE?

[Mr. Nerfect]

There is seriously enough talent out there to start building up a legitimate alternative to the WWE and TNA.

Matt Morgan joins John Cena, Batista, Randy Orton and Chris Masters as men Jim Cornette predicted would be draws one day. Colt Cabana is one of the most entertaining men in the business. Jack Evans can pull out some amazing shit. Bryan Danielson is not yet under contract to any major promotion. Chris Kanyon may not be an icon, but he is a veteran and seems to be cooking up a storm. With Kurt Angle adding credibility to the independant scene, guys like Brock Lesnar may be tempted to return, if just for the attention and to use it as a springboard. PJ Polaco is back to the indies, Ron Killings and Monty Brown may soon join him (providing being in the same camp as Kurt Angle hasn't convinced them to stay with TNA). Chris Jericho could even get involved in WSX or something (the guy strikes me as someone MTV would like as a personality on their broadcasting).

It's great that the WWE isn't the end-all these days.

[Mr. Nerfect]

And IS IT NOT TRUE that Vince is ALSO a VAMPIRE?

Kevin Thorn is going to climb above Paul, Shane and Stephanie in no time.

[Jeritron]

That stuff is to help himself. He learned from the Monday Night War era that you cant do ethical business and go by word with people who dont. Its important for him to secure whats his and make sure nobody makes money off whats hes built. Why not trademark things you made? You dont want someone else cashing in off it. Its not like he wants to move Smackdown back to thursdays to destroy the upcoming TNA.
I wouldnt be suprised if the TNA/WWE coexistence ended up being respectful. It would depend on what route TNA decides to go

[Kane Knight]

Except he's trademarked items not made by him or WWE.

And it still hurts other businesses, which is the opposite of your claims regarding his ethos.

[Mr. JL]

Fuck them! Compton!

[Crippla]

Gonna kick your sorry ass out on the street. You used to think you owned the street. Well pack your bags cuz your ass is dead meat. Victory sweet. Now here's your receipt.

[Lara Emily]

Matt Morgan and Masters are draws? In what reality? Good old JC couldn't sell out a flea market, EX TNAers aren't goign to make a huge splash.

Let's face it this is hardly a revolution or a dramatic event.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Matt Morgan and Masters are draws? In what reality? Good old JC couldn't sell out a flea market, EX TNAers aren't goign to make a huge splash.

Let's face it this is hardly a revolution or a dramatic event.

They may be some day. Masters is learning at an extremely fast rate, and Morgan is a fantastic talker. For a guy his size he's really good, too. Big Show is kind of a draw, thus there's not many reasons Morgan can't be (in the very distant future, not now, don't twist what I'm saying).

[Pepsi Man]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're already advertising the time and date. I'm not saying it will be a definite success, but I'm almost positive it's going to "get off the ground". How far is the question.

And where the fuck have I said it's going to be big competition? Fucking smart-ass idiots are actually worse than the people they "imitate". All I've said is that this is a positive step for the wrestling industry. If you all want to see McMahon perform fellatio on himself during the timeslot where a wrestling show used to be, that's fine, but for all those craving a direction for the industry...here it is.

"It's too small, "They've got no chance", "Vince will destroy them (even though he is yet to destroy TNA, who just got Kurt fucking Angle)," etc. Shut the fuck up and SUPPORT IT! If you don't want to, fine...but fuck off. Anyone angry with the WWE product can find solace in the fact that networks are at least interested in adopting alternative wrestling programming.

And yes, there were rumours of this promotion getting started up about a year ago. Sometimes things don't happen overnight. They've actually filmed the special they will be airing, they actually seem to have the support of the NWA. It's going places, and WSX looks to be too. They may not, but at this stage I'd say it is likely.
Sure, sometimes things don't happen overnight, but sometimes they don't happen at all, which is really what happened the last time there. I'm sorry, but anyone following the North American pro wrestling promotion scene over the last five years would have to be a fool to cream themselves over talk of yet another random indy fed getting a TV deal, without seeing anything first.

[Kane Knight]

Matt Morgan and Masters are draws? In what reality? Good old JC couldn't sell out a flea market, EX TNAers aren't goign to make a huge splash.

Let's face it this is hardly a revolution or a dramatic event.

You realise you're responding to someone who's chock full of shit, right?

[Kane Knight]

Sure, sometimes things don't happen overnight, but sometimes they don't happen at all, which is really what happened the last time there. I'm sorry, but anyone following the North American pro wrestling promotion scene over the last five years would have to be a fool to cream themselves over talk of yet another random indy fed getting a TV deal, without seeing anything first.

Especially when we've been promised this great revival for years.

[Londoner]

I've learnt not to get my hopes up over a wrestling revival until Vince leaves WWE, only then will we have a chance of seeing a change I think.

[Kane Knight]

There is seriously enough talent out there to start building up a legitimate alternative to the WWE and TNA.

Matt Morgan joins John Cena, Batista, Randy Orton and Chris Masters as men Jim Cornette predicted would be draws one day. Colt Cabana is one of the most entertaining men in the business. Jack Evans can pull out some amazing shit. Bryan Danielson is not yet under contract to any major promotion. Chris Kanyon may not be an icon, but he is a veteran and seems to be cooking up a storm. With Kurt Angle adding credibility to the independant scene, guys like Brock Lesnar may be tempted to return, if just for the attention and to use it as a springboard. PJ Polaco is back to the indies, Ron Killings and Monty Brown may soon join him (providing being in the same camp as Kurt Angle hasn't convinced them to stay with TNA). Chris Jericho could even get involved in WSX or something (the guy strikes me as someone MTV would like as a personality on their broadcasting).

It's great that the WWE isn't the end-all these days.

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[El Fangel]

and Jarrett is unbearable.

[Lara Emily]

You realise you're responding to someone who's chock full of shit, right?

Of course, I just felt like using a somewhat obscure Hogan quote.

[Kane Knight]

Of course, I just felt like using a somewhat obscure Hogan quote.

Just making sure. I mean, this guy, besides this thread, has recently out and out fellated the Miz. I hope to GOD nobody's taking him seriously.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I haven't fellated The Miz. He fellated me. I responded in kind by saying nice things about him. And it's painfully obvious the guy has talent.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sure, sometimes things don't happen overnight, but sometimes they don't happen at all, which is really what happened the last time there. I'm sorry, but anyone following the North American pro wrestling promotion scene over the last five years would have to be a fool to cream themselves over talk of yet another random indy fed getting a TV deal, without seeing anything first.

Nothing has been seen, but wrestling fans are craving an alternative. The TV deal is pretty much done. They've taped the show, they've picked a time and place to air it. I'm not saying it will definately take off, I'm just saying it's there.

It's so fucking stupid to cry over the WWE's quality, and then when alternatives star popping up to cry that they're not good enough. You need to give things support if they're going to get better.

[Kane Knight]

I haven't fellated The Miz. He fellated me. I responded in kind by saying nice things about him. And it's painfully obvious the guy has talent.Painfully obvious? :rofl: There you go with that whole "full of shit" thing again.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Painfully obvious? :rofl: There you go with that whole "full of shit" thing again.

I expected a little better from you, KK. You're one of the few guys that I think gives Cena a chance. Miz is much the same way. His obnoxious personality gets in the way of people seeing he's at least decent in the ring. Considering the guy has been wrestling for what...two years, max, that's not bad at all.

I thought you'd be one of the few to look past his "Hoorah" Poochy shit.

[Kane Knight]

Nothing has been seen, but wrestling fans are craving an alternative. The TV deal is pretty much done. They've taped the show, they've picked a time and place to air it. I'm not saying it will definately take off, I'm just saying it's there.

It's so fucking stupid to cry over the WWE's quality, and then when alternatives star popping up to cry that they're not good enough. You need to give things support if they're going to get better.

The TV deal was "pretty much done" before, too. Same with taped shows. Hey, has that MTV thing aired yet?

I don't think Pepsi Man's complaining about it not being good enough. In fact, if you were to judge him on what he said, instead of making up some fantasy argument, he was talking about not putting the cart before the horse, rather than shitting on this before it got started. Really, what exactly is so horrible about saying we shouldn't jump the gun, when past experience should teach us this probably won't be the holy grail people are making it out to be? And why the fuck do you have to chicken little the entire argument?

[Kane Knight]

I expected a little better from you, KK. You're one of the few guys that I think gives Cena a chance. Miz is much the same way. His obnoxious personality gets in the way of people seeing he's at least decent in the ring. Considering the guy has been wrestling for what...two years, max, that's not bad at all.

I thought you'd be one of the few to look past his "Hoorah" Poochy shit.

I gave him a chance. I then changed the channel.

Don't condescend me when you gave your little "fuck you, you're all sheep for not liking the guy I like" speech. Don't assume that disliking someone precludes any fair criticism. In fact, the fact that I have given Cena, Batista, etc. a fair shake should tell you the opposite.

It seems very convenient that you assume that I'd give Cena a fair shake, but if I disagree with you, then I didn't give Miz one. I can't think of one reason why that would be the most logical conclusion that you could come up with. Myself, I'd think "Well, this guy's been rather even-minded in the past...Maybe he really just doesn't find any potential in him." But maybe that's just me.

Hell, I'm still on Orton's side, after all this time, after all the backstage heat, after all the complaints about rest holds and stuttering. I see potential in him, and I still think he's salvagable, no matter how much smarks hate him. I appreciate Scotty Too Hotty, for fuck's sake. Perhaps the lamest character in WWE today, and I can still appreciate him.

And I don't appreciate Miz.

What does that tell you?

Because it shouldn't tell you what you seem to be getting out of it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The TV deal was "pretty much done" before, too. Same with taped shows. Hey, has that MTV thing aired yet?

I don't think Pepsi Man's complaining about it not being good enough. In fact, if you were to judge him on what he said, instead of making up some fantasy argument, he was talking about not putting the cart before the horse, rather than shitting on this before it got started. Really, what exactly is so horrible about saying we shouldn't jump the gun, when past experience should teach us this probably won't be the holy grail people are making it out to be? And why the fuck do you have to chicken little the entire argument?

I wasn't talking about Pepsi Man, sorry if it came off that way. I was talking about LC and Lara Emily, who come in and exaggerate all this shit about "It's going to be huge!", completely overlooking the issues raised by people in this thread. This is just a little step, but it is a positive one. There are talent looking for places to go, what with the WWE being fucking shit at the moment, and Kurt Angle legitimising the independant scene.

I'm too lazy to check, but I know what frame of mind I was in when I posted this thread. I was happy that a little indy fed is getting the chance to get on TV. I may have come off as a little more excited than I actually was, but I was kind of threading it to the Kurt Angle in TNA thing, and trying to paint a portrait of a more desireable independant scene.

Adrenaline Unleashed have taped the show they are going to air at a specific time. The deal may fall through or some shit, but I am pretty sure it's going to air. It's not too often you see stations go "Hey, this weekend this is going to be on" and then they don't put it on. Especially when they've got nothing else going for them.

Last time it was a slightly different story. They were looking to get a TV deal. The station was considering it. WSX taped a pilot to pitch at MTV. They picked it up, and things are slowly starting to move along. They may not get anywhere, but it's sounding like they will (albeit slowly).

It's OK to not get your hopes up, I can understand where Pepsi Man and TL are coming from. It wouldn't surprise me if things didn't materialise. All I'm against are people calling this a failure before it even gets going.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I gave him a chance. I then changed the channel.

Don't condescend me when you gave your little "fuck you, you're all sheep for not liking the guy I like" speech. Don't assume that disliking someone precludes any fair criticism. In fact, the fact that I have given Cena, Batista, etc. a fair shake should tell you the opposite.

It seems very convenient that you assume that I'd give Cena a fair shake, but if I disagree with you, then I didn't give Miz one. I can't think of one reason why that would be the most logical conclusion that you could come up with. Myself, I'd think "Well, this guy's been rather even-minded in the past...Maybe he really just doesn't find any potential in him." But maybe that's just me.

Hell, I'm still on Orton's side, after all this time, after all the backstage heat, after all the complaints about rest holds and stuttering. I see potential in him, and I still think he's salvagable, no matter how much smarks hate him. I appreciate Scotty Too Hotty, for fuck's sake. Perhaps the lamest character in WWE today, and I can still appreciate him.

And I don't appreciate Miz.

What does that tell you?

Because it shouldn't tell you what you seem to be getting out of it.

You're allowed to not like the guy. I despise John Cena. Nothing against the guy personally, I just can't stand him his on-screen persona. I just think there is a big difference between "I don't like this guy" and "This guys sucks and has no talent, fire him". I think Cena does have talent. We all saw it during his coloured trunks days. I've watched The Miz, and I have come up with the conclusion that he is quite good.

You're allowed to disagree with me, but the guy DOES have talent. This is going to make me sound like Vermaat, but the guy seems pretty innovative in the WWE. Innovation isn't really supported by the WWE, but at least the guy is working well within the confines management has put on talent. When he had Matt Hardy in the 619 position (sounds pretty gay), and sprung off his back, flew over the top rope and hung him up on the middle rope on the way down; I thought it was pretty awesome. The guy also countered a wristlock with a front-flip. The guy has shown athletic ability, and I'm going to give him more of a chance than a few matches with Tatanka.

I don't even really like the guy, it's just everyone says all this shit about him being useless. The guy is heading in the right direction.

You also thought the guy was a face, didn't you? That doesn't really convince me you've been watching him at all.

[Pepsi Man]

The TV deal was "pretty much done" before, too. Same with taped shows. Hey, has that MTV thing aired yet?

I don't think Pepsi Man's complaining about it not being good enough. In fact, if you were to judge him on what he said, instead of making up some fantasy argument, he was talking about not putting the cart before the horse, rather than shitting on this before it got started. Really, what exactly is so horrible about saying we shouldn't jump the gun, when past experience should teach us this probably won't be the holy grail people are making it out to be? And why the fuck do you have to chicken little the entire argument?
It's okay. I make a decent heel, if that's what I'm to play in this thread.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It's okay. I make a decent heel, if that's what I'm to play in this thread.

I actually agree with your position in this thread. I just didn't specify that I was talking with you, and not challenging you. Sorry about that.

[Crippla]

It's okay. I make a decent heel, if that's what I'm to play in this thread.
Yeah, I remember you as a heel. You weren't bad but should probably be a face.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, I remember you as a heel. You weren't bad but should probably be a face.

Or at least wait until the right time to turn heel again, just so the crowd is more into it. :cool:

[Pepsi Man]

Yeah, I remember you as a heel. You weren't bad but should probably be a face.
Oh god. Could someone please put this goon out of our misery? Pretty please?

[Crippla]

Nah, I always find my way back, I'm like Mark Henry.

[Kane Knight]

I wasn't talking about Pepsi Man, sorry if it came off that way. I was talking about LC and Lara Emily, who come in and exaggerate all this shit about "It's going to be huge!", completely overlooking the issues raised by people in this thread. This is just a little step, but it is a positive one. There are talent looking for places to go, what with the WWE being fucking shit at the moment, and Kurt Angle legitimising the independant scene.

I'm too lazy to check, but I know what frame of mind I was in when I posted this thread. I was happy that a little indy fed is getting the chance to get on TV. I may have come off as a little more excited than I actually was, but I was kind of threading it to the Kurt Angle in TNA thing, and trying to paint a portrait of a more desireable independant scene.

Adrenaline Unleashed have taped the show they are going to air at a specific time. The deal may fall through or some shit, but I am pretty sure it's going to air. It's not too often you see stations go "Hey, this weekend this is going to be on" and then they don't put it on. Especially when they've got nothing else going for them.

Last time it was a slightly different story. They were looking to get a TV deal. The station was considering it. WSX taped a pilot to pitch at MTV. They picked it up, and things are slowly starting to move along. They may not get anywhere, but it's sounding like they will (albeit slowly).

It's OK to not get your hopes up, I can understand where Pepsi Man and TL are coming from. It wouldn't surprise me if things didn't materialise. All I'm against are people calling this a failure before it even gets going.

Even that was simply to counter your own gushing that this was HUGE news, when it really only is in the same Alienoidland where Venis and Basham are champs. Huge news isn't the promise of TV promotions on a small network, Huge news is the success of these promotions. And you're already, before Lara or Lucy (ha! I made him a girl! HA!) say anything, establishing how this is going to rock the wrestling world (Among other things, calling it huge, saying that Vince will have to decide whether to "bite the bullet" and start his own territory scene).

It's not hard to see their reaction is based solely, and I mean solely, on your overreaction. You're declaring Matt Morgan and Chris Masters draws, declaring that Angle has made a legitimate indie Scene (If you can even call TNA indie), etc., etc.

[Kane Knight]

It's okay. I make a decent heel, if that's what I'm to play in this thread.

Don't worry, I wasn't speaking for you, simply using a level of literary comprehension. ;) Heel, eh?

*smashes you over head with a chair*

BAH GAWD!

[Lara Emily]

Nothing has been seen, but wrestling fans are craving an alternative. The TV deal is pretty much done. They've taped the show, they've picked a time and place to air it. I'm not saying it will definately take off, I'm just saying it's there.

It's so fucking stupid to cry over the WWE's quality, and then when alternatives star popping up to cry that they're not good enough. You need to give things support if they're going to get better.
No we don't, a quality product needs to be put put first then we'll support it, supporting without the required quality will just ensure more and more crap. Not saying this will definitely be crap but I;m not going to get all excited and support something right awya just because it isn't the WWE.

[Crippla]

I don't think Pepsi Man should be a heel ATM. I remember when he was a heel and he was trying to get banned, he was decent but I think his 'character' fits better as a face. He also isn't that bad of a face either and a pretty good poster.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Even that was simply to counter your own gushing that this was HUGE news, when it really only is in the same Alienoidland where Venis and Basham are champs. Huge news isn't the promise of TV promotions on a small network, Huge news is the success of these promotions. And you're already, before Lara or Lucy (ha! I made him a girl! HA!) say anything, establishing how this is going to rock the wrestling world (Among other things, calling it huge, saying that Vince will have to decide whether to "bite the bullet" and start his own territory scene).

It's not hard to see their reaction is based solely, and I mean solely, on your overreaction. You're declaring Matt Morgan and Chris Masters draws, declaring that Angle has made a legitimate indie Scene (If you can even call TNA indie), etc., etc.

Dude, you just completely did what I do. You went and exaggerated everything to the point where any good arguement you had is lost.

I think Venis and Basham are underrated, not World Champ material. Get the fuck off that, it's irrelevent. HUGE news is hyperbole, granted. But anyone with common sense can look past and simply see I was implying it could be huge news. Do you really need everything spelt out for you, or are you incapable of following a trail?

The success of these promotions depend on the following of these promotions. You can't expect the shows to take off with no one watching them. I posted the news, in hope that people would be excited to hear about developments in the wrestling landscape. Obviously everyone who complains about both the WWE and TNA is happy as things are. I'm sorry, continue with your constant bitching about the quality of the product.

Deep South Wrestling is apparently getting TV time. If this is true (and that's a big if, the iffiest out of the lot of them) that means Vince's product is expanding. With DSW on TV, why not OVW? All I said was that it's possible with six different brand names (RAW, SmackDown!, ECW, DSW, OVW and UPW) it's possible we can begin to see something resembling territories. I never, ever specified that Vince would do it out of fear, because he won't (especially when the territory scene was destroyed by Vince).

This hasn't "rocked the wrestling world". Kurt Angle going to TNA rocked the wrestling world. And he has made the independants legit. TNA is walking the line between mainstream and independant. They still don't have millions of dollars to offer their employees, and they don't have the financial security the WWE do. They have big names, but they are still relatively unknown. If Angle wrestles in ROH (which you can't deny is a possibility), how can you say that the independant scene doesn't look more credible than it once did? Kurt Angle is just outside being an icon in the industry. He lends it certain credibility.

I never declared Matt Morgan and Chris Masters draws. I said Jim Cornette predicted they would be one day. He also predicted the same thing for John Cena, Batista and Randy Orton. You can't lay claim to knowing more about the business than Jim Cornette, especially when three out of five predictions have materialised (draws is probably not the right word, but they are three of the biggest stars in the industry).

And I am perfectly aware that Loose Cannon and Lara Emily responded because of my overreaction. It's when they exaggerate my overreaction that I get pissed off. Suddenly "this could be huge news" becomes "THIS IS HUGE ZOMG!!!11". It's not hard to exaggerate, and it's kind of hypocritical when you add hyperbole to statements already of that nature. It's much smarter to call them out on the added enthusiasm. Kind of like what you are doing, only you are kind of guilty of that, too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

No we don't, a quality product needs to be put put first then we'll support it, supporting without the required quality will just ensure more and more crap. Not saying this will definitely be crap but I;m not going to get all excited and support something right awya just because it isn't the WWE.

That makes sense. The thing is, though, this vehicle is already moving. No one has seen the product yet. Back on the first page I tried to start some discussion on the potential quality of it, and it just seems people are more interested in targetting my statements saying this is something that we haven't seen before, and that there are more avenues for wrestling on television.

You don't need to support it, or get excited about it. I just think it qualifies as bigger news than Justin Credible getting released, for example (no offence to Petey).

[Lara Emily]

You know if you are goign to claim we overexagerted your initial reaction you might want to recall what you actually said.

You did not say this could potentially be huge news you said and I quote:

"This is HUGE news, in my opinion. Two new wrestling promotions, MTV is going to market wrestling (and they have enough sheep these days) and Kurt Angle in TNA. Ladies and gentlemen, you may be looking at a revival."

You even emphasized huge with big capital letters.

Translation you're full of shit but we all knew that.

[Kane Knight]

Dude, you just completely did what I do. You went and exaggerated everything to the point where any good arguement you had is lost.

Verrrry good.

*slow clap*

You figured out the blatantly obvious. :y:

[Crippla]

ROFL @ this new fued between KK and Alienoid.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You know if you are goign to claim we overexagerted your initial reaction you might want to recall what you actually said.

You did not say this could potentially be huge news you said and I quote:

"This is HUGE news, in my opinion. Two new wrestling promotions, MTV is going to market wrestling (and they have enough sheep these days) and Kurt Angle in TNA. Ladies and gentlemen, you may be looking at a revival."

You even emphasized huge with big capital letters.

Translation you're full of shit but we all knew that.

But it is huge news. :|

You're honestly argueing about the definition of huge. Did it ever occur to you that huge can be measured differently from person to person? See, I don't give a fuck about your life. Therefore, something that is huge to you isn't to me. Likewise, if my dad died tomorrow, it'd be huge to me, but I'm sure you'd probably laugh.

I may have gone overboard with my wording. But as a wrestling fan, when wrestling promotions get attention, it is big. Maybe you see things differently, but that doesn't make you right. If this promotion takes off, and people begin to watch it, and it becomes something more than a failure, would it qualify as "HUGE"? I was just looking at the bigger picture when I wrote what I did, simply because I like to look at the potential in things.

"It's so great you're pregnant!" can go several different ways. The person making that statement is obviously poitning out the good things a child can bring. The baby could die at birth, and traumatically scar the mother. Just because I made a statement doesn't mean I was looking at the immediate. The promotion isn't even on TV at this stage, so you can't even talk about the "now" with it.

I should have chosen my words more carefully, yes. I'm sorry I didn't take the time to craft each and every sentence of mine to perfection, so that idiots and those of us who like to look only at the immediate can appreciate. I'm sorry, I'll try to be more blunt in the future.

And seeing as we're playing the quote game:

"OMG OMG 2 random promotions getting tv deals on some obscure specialty cable channel that probably less than a third of the US gets, the WWE has huge competition now!"

You said that, and seeing as you're taking shots at me for not recalling what I said, I'm going to ask you to recall where anyone said "huge competition". No one said it, most I said was this was "HUGE news", which was in response to an article saying that wrestling WILL be on their station. It may not be, but the article wasn't about whether or not it was, it was about it being on. It may not air, but assuming it does (which is what this fucking thread is about), that qualifies as "HUGE".

I created this thread with the intent of discussing what would happen if these promotions get off the ground. If that wasn't the intent, we may as well sit on our hands. If both these promotions get off the ground, at least to TNA's level, and WSX does the same, things will probably pick up for the industry. You can make fun of that all you want, but if you don't want to discuss what this means, you're pretty much wasting your time.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Verrrry good.

*slow clap*

You figured out the blatantly obvious. :y:

So, you're admitting you've got nothing?

You shouldn't have wasted that post time on me, then. Flattering, but you could have whacked off or something.

[Kane Knight]

You know if you are goign to claim we overexagerted your initial reaction you might want to recall what you actually said.

You did not say this could potentially be huge news you said and I quote:

"This is HUGE news, in my opinion. Two new wrestling promotions, MTV is going to market wrestling (and they have enough sheep these days) and Kurt Angle in TNA. Ladies and gentlemen, you may be looking at a revival."

You even emphasized huge with big capital letters.

Translation you're full of shit but we all knew that.

Yup. He was declaring this huge news, he was indicating a decision out of McMahon was in order, he was insisting that Angle had legitimised indie wrestling. All of which is easy enough to quote, none of which is anything more than fantastic BULLSHIT from someone famous for it.

Not to mention that "I can almost feel the industry changing," which at best was poorly worded.

This is HUGE news, in my opinion

Plus, with DSW getting air-time, one has to question whether Vince will bite the bullet and start his own territory scene, with OVW also getting put on somewhere.

I can almost feel the industry changing.

Vince must at least be getting migraines over this.

When has there been this much wresting on network TV? Kurt Angle has gone to TNA. Anyone who doesn't act like these are two dramatic changes are fools.

Fucking smart-ass idiots are actually worse than the people they "imitate". All I've said is that this is a positive step for the wrestling industry. If you all want to see McMahon perform fellatio on himself during the timeslot where a wrestling show used to be, that's fine, but for all those craving a direction for the industry...here it is.

"It's too small, "They've got no chance", "Vince will destroy them (even though he is yet to destroy TNA, who just got Kurt fucking Angle)," etc. Shut the fuck up and SUPPORT IT! If you don't want to, fine...but fuck off. Anyone angry with the WWE product can find solace in the fact that networks are at least interested in adopting alternative wrestling programming.

Quoted for irony.

With Kurt Angle adding credibility to the independant scene, guys like Brock Lesnar may be tempted to return, if just for the attention and to use it as a springboard.

It's great that the WWE isn't the end-all these days.

Hmmm....

[Impact!]

Nice post Alienoid :y:

[Kane Knight]

So, you're admitting you've got nothing?

Hardly. I'm just mocking your ability to catch only part of the post and blow it out of proportion. Besides, maybe you can jerk off in under 90 seconds, but most people have some level of stamina. :yes:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I honestly do admire the way you turn people's words against them. It leaves them completely unable to attack your words, as they draw on their's for power. It's kind of like a checkmate scenario. I'll give it a go, though:

You are aware that I when I was talking about the industry, I was including Kurt Angle going to TNA, aren't you? You know, with the best wrestler in the world in the independant scene, it kind of makes it a little more exciting, does it not? When I said the industry changing, that was referring to TV stations whoring themselves out to wrestling, making it more easily accessible, as well as the aforementioned Kurt Angle thing?

You can point out hyperbole all you want, but honestly, do you not consider Kurt Angle in TNA a big move? Do you not consider network TV prostituting its time to professional wrestling (no matter how small it may be) a sizeable development?

"Plus, with DSW getting air-time, one has to question whether Vince will bite the bullet and start his own territory scene, with OVW also getting put on somewhere."

Yeah, I've already addressed this, genius. But I'll do it again: Vince hates OVW. He purchased their library, apparently barred mention of it on his programming, etc. Assuming Deep South Wrestling gets a timeslot on MavTV (which is what this thread is about, the prospect of this channel actually showing a lot of wrestling), Vince's development system is partially exposed. He hates his farm leagues, where a lot of stuff which contradicts WWE programming takes place, but with time becomming available, he might go ahead and start pushing this programming forward.

And Vince would be pretty pissed off that TNA got Kurt Angle. Don't play that off as little. Plus, wrestling on TV = bad. The WWE likes a little competition, yes, but I doubt Vince wants wrestling on so frequently, people are BOUND to run into something without segments based around elderly asses on it.

KK, you know what irony is. I honestly can't find anything relevent in your bolded parts. You're either much smarter than me (I doubt the "much"), or you're just bolding things which you can turn into something irrelevent (again), so you can do some shadowy smearing of my name. The same goes for the last two paragraphs. What the fuck is your point? The WWE should be the only option on TV?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hardly. I'm just mocking your ability to catch only part of the post and blow it out of proportion. Besides, maybe you can jerk off in under 90 seconds, but most people have some level of stamina. :yes:

Oh. Usually mocking has some kind of substance behind it. Saying "Yep, you got me" when I said you have pretty much become the pot to call the kettle black isn't really substantial. You could go ahead and argue "irony" or "parody", but that just plays into me theory on how you could do better things to please your ego, like masturbate.

I'm being serious. You saying that I called Matt Morgan and Chris Masters draws is either blantantly ignorant on your part (not what I expect from you), or you taking liberties with your arguements, which makes them invalid, which means you could have saved up the time it took to craft each sentence, and put your hand on your penis, or made a meal for yourself, or something. There are much more constructive things you could be doing than wasting your times arguing something you're clearly not thinking about.

[Crippla]

OH CANADA!!!!!!!!!!

[Mr. Nerfect]

OH CANADA!!!!!!!!!!

You're clearly exaggerating...

:shifty:

[Crippla]

I say whatcha gonna do, you're a dying man talking all this bullshit when your life's in my hands.

[Loose Cannon]

I wasn't talking about Pepsi Man, sorry if it came off that way. I was talking about LC and Lara Emily, who come in and exaggerate all this shit about "It's going to be huge!", completely overlooking the issues raised by people in this thread.

WTF, I post like two words in this thread and I get blamed. You make the most ridiculous points I've ever seen anybody make. No, this new promotion will not work. It's a stupid run of the mill indy fed that nobody, excpet some hardcore smarks who have nothing better to do beisdes jerking off to some other 10 cent Indy Fed, will watch. The wrestling business is currently in a shit hole. Nobody gives a flying crap anymore. You really believe anybody is a draw anymore? There are no draws.

Everytime you mention things like Val Venis being champion and Brent Albright being a somebody and who ever the fuck else is running around on Smackdown being the greatest thing ever makes to laugh. I understand you live in a fantasy wrestling world most of the time, but I swear you post the biggest bullshit I've ever read on wreslting boards. Like 99% of your posts are insane ideas that will never come to be in the WWE.

[Kane Knight]

Oh. Usually mocking has some kind of substance behind it. Saying "Yep, you got me" when I said you have pretty much become the pot to call the kettle black isn't really substantial. You could go ahead and argue "irony" or "parody", but that just plays into me theory on how you could do better things to please your ego, like masturbate.

I'm being serious. You saying that I called Matt Morgan and Chris Masters draws is either blantantly ignorant on your part (not what I expect from you), or you taking liberties with your arguements, which makes them invalid, which means you could have saved up the time it took to craft each sentence, and put your hand on your penis, or made a meal for yourself, or something. There are much more constructive things you could be doing than wasting your times arguing something you're clearly not thinking about.

You called me on a single "liberty" for effect and then claimed it negated my argument. I facetiously agreed. Hence the slow clap reference. :p

I'm not being serious. The numerous quotes I just used illustrate how deep a whole you're trying to backtrack yourself out of. I don't need to be serious, because it's painfully evident that you're not really serious. I mean, I'm sure you think you are, but you were so quick to fellate this, you made numerous statements fully and perfectly laughable, especially in context with other quotes, or that totally damage any stance you might have. You called hyperbole once, which is true. If you expect me to forfeit an entire argument based on one hyperbolic statement, I suggest you look at your entire participation in this thread. Because if one instance of hyperbole disqualifies my entire argument, you TKO'd yourself before I even started.

[Pepsi Man]

I say whatcha gonna do, you're a dying man talking all this bullshit when your life's in my hands.
Settle down, down, down.

[Mr. Nerfect]

WTF, I post like two words in this thread and I get blamed. You make the most ridiculous points I've ever seen anybody make. No, this new promotion will not work. It's a stupid run of the mill indy fed that nobody, excpet some hardcore smarks who have nothing better to do beisdes jerking off to some other 10 cent Indy Fed, will watch. The wrestling business is currently in a shit hole. Nobody gives a flying crap anymore. You really believe anybody is a draw anymore? There are no draws.

Everytime you mention things like Val Venis being champion and Brent Albright being a somebody and who ever the fuck else is running around on Smackdown being the greatest thing ever makes to laugh. I understand you live in a fantasy wrestling world most of the time, but I swear you post the biggest bullshit I've ever read on wreslting boards. Like 99% of your posts are insane ideas that will never come to be in the WWE.

Dude, I wasn't "blaming" you. I just pointed out that no one said this is going to be huge competition for the WWE. You can try and twist my "independant scene is credible", "Vince must care" and "this is HUGE news" statements all you want, I have never said and I have never believed any of this will make so much as a dent on the WWE. I've simply been argueing that the current state on the industry could use more avenues to showcase wrestlers. You just wanted to get a reaction and be the cool outsider in the threat. That's fine, I'm just pointing that you were inaccurate.

You have no clue whether or not this promotion will work. It could fail. It could get Ted Turner behind it and have a million dollar budget. You don't know, so shut the fuck up. It's at least an alternative.

I am perfectly fucking aware there are no draws. It's obvious no one cares anymore. I'm just saying that people are more likely to care if they stmble upon wrestling whilst flicking channels on a Wednesday night, and see some guys busting their ass and doing phenominal shit, rather than John Cena acting like a wigger.

And there you go with the inaccuracies again. I've never once suggested Val Venis SHOULD be WWE Champion, I've said he COULD be Champion. And Brent Albright could be something. The guy is fantastic.

Um, 99% of my insane ideas aren't things anyone expects the WWE. It's called fantasy booking. It's how things could be different, it's how things could be better. Don't point out that they aren't realistic. A retarded child could figure that out. If you honestly think any of my "Brent Albright should be used to his fullest potential by the WWE" points are things I expect to see the WWE employ, you're the one who's full of shit. I'm sorry, but I think everyone's worked out Val Venis ain't getting off Heat anytime soon. The question is, should he?

[Gulak]

If wrestling threads were ever archived, this one would do nicely.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You called me on a single "liberty" for effect and then claimed it negated my argument. I facetiously agreed. Hence the slow clap reference. :p

I'm not being serious. The numerous quotes I just used illustrate how deep a whole you're trying to backtrack yourself out of. I don't need to be serious, because it's painfully evident that you're not really serious. I mean, I'm sure you think you are, but you were so quick to fellate this, you made numerous statements fully and perfectly laughable, especially in context with other quotes, or that totally damage any stance you might have. You called hyperbole once, which is true. If you expect me to forfeit an entire argument based on one hyperbolic statement, I suggest you look at your entire participation in this thread. Because if one instance of hyperbole disqualifies my entire argument, you TKO'd yourself before I even started.

Oh, I see, perhaps you should have made a light-hearted statement that wasn't actually harmful to your case.

I'm not being serious about this at all, it's just fun to argue this thing into the ground. People say "I'm full of shit", yet people have constantly told me that my writings on the these boards may not be realistic, but are logical. I'd like to see the where this shit is.

I take liberties when discussing things or people, yes. I created this thread to do so. It's like seeing a bomb being dropped. No one gives a fuck the bomb is being dropped, it's just the resulting explosion people care about. Of course it may be a dud. All I've been saying is imagine this bomb exploded, and XCW and Adrenaline Unleashed achieved to the same point as TNA. It seems some people can't get over the fact I'm not being cynical about developments in the wrestling world, just for the Hell of it.

I can appreciate cynicism, it's just a little tunnel-visioned people can't understand a little constructive theorising. The purpose of this thread is to discuss the chain of positives that may result from this, or to discuss the likelihood of such a chain.

I don't expect you to forfeit, I know you love debating too much. I can respect that you'll always find something to call me out on, or create something using wit. All I'm saying is that I have been logical during this arguement, you haven't. Anything crazy I've said outside this arguement is irrelvent. Within this arguement, you're the one exaggerating. I'm just pointing out the irony in that.

[Kane Knight]

I'd call it shit booking, actually.

Or A6faptimebooking. :p

[Kane Knight]

Oh, I see, perhaps you should have made a light-hearted statement that wasn't actually harmful to your case.

It really isn't all that harmful, because I'm not denying hyperbole on that one count. You can try and make it bigger, but it really isn't.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'd call it shit booking, actually.

Or A6faptimebooking. :p

If that's what you want to call it, fine. But I've gotten great feedback from a lot of my stuff.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It really isn't all that harmful, because I'm not denying hyperbole on that one count. You can try and make it bigger, but it really isn't.

Eh, this arguement really isn't all that substancial, it can really be as big or as small as you want it to be.

It's kind of lost all value your arguements have in my eyes, as I'm sure my penchant for using hyperbole to effect discredits mine completely in your's. There aren't really any points, so our own biases are kind of going to distort and twist things to the point where neither of us is thinking on the same level.

I think you using hyperbole in an arguement, when you're entire arguement is based on me exaggerating kind of makes things ironically hypocritical. You don't. Fair enough.

[Kane Knight]

If that's what you want to call it, fine. But I've gotten great feedback from a lot of my stuff.

So does TNA. That doesn't make it any more a big heap of shit. :)

[Mr. Nerfect]

So does TNA. That doesn't make it any more a big heap of shit. :)

:lol:

I don't mind TNA. I hate a lot of their shit, though, so I can agree with you there. Actually, I should say I don't mind their PPVs and the quality of their matches. Their booking is God awful.

[Pepsi Man]

As for Alienoid, he reminds me of a guy playing a wrestling sim with every post. :meh:

(not meant with offense)

[Kane Knight]

Their booking is God awful.

I think he's touched upon it.

[Loose Cannon]

Dude, I wasn't "blaming" you. I just pointed out that no one said this is going to be huge competition for the WWE. You can try and twist my "independant scene is credible", "Vince must care" and "this is HUGE news" statements all you want, I have never said and I have never believed any of this will make so much as a dent on the WWE. I've simply been argueing that the current state on the industry could use more avenues to showcase wrestlers. You just wanted to get a reaction and be the cool outsider in the threat. That's fine, I'm just pointing that you were inaccurate.

You have no clue whether or not this promotion will work. It could fail. It could get Ted Turner behind it and have a million dollar budget. You don't know, so shut the fuck up. It's at least an alternative.

I am perfectly fucking aware there are no draws. It's obvious no one cares anymore. I'm just saying that people are more likely to care if they stmble upon wrestling whilst flicking channels on a Wednesday night, and see some guys busting their ass and doing phenominal shit, rather than John Cena acting like a wigger.

And there you go with the inaccuracies again. I've never once suggested Val Venis SHOULD be WWE Champion, I've said he COULD be Champion. And Brent Albright could be something. The guy is fantastic.

Um, 99% of my insane ideas aren't things anyone expects the WWE. It's called fantasy booking. It's how things could be different, it's how things could be better. Don't point out that they aren't realistic. A retarded child could figure that out. If you honestly think any of my "Brent Albright should be used to his fullest potential by the WWE" points are things I expect to see the WWE employ, you're the one who's full of shit. I'm sorry, but I think everyone's worked out Val Venis ain't getting off Heat anytime soon. The question is, should he?


What was with calling me out then in this thread when I posted as follows "LOL Exactly." Sorry if that offended you where you needed to say as follows "I was talking about LC and Lara Emily, who come in and exaggerate all this shit about "It's going to be huge!", completely overlooking the issues raised by people in this thread."

So where did I comes in and exaggerate all this shit? How does my "LOL Exactly" statement imply what you are saying? Or are you just coming in and exaggerating all this shit about my two word post?

And yes, the promotion will fail. I'm 100% sure. I'll be sure to quote this sentence in 6 months if you're still around here. So you shut the fuck up.

Are you really trying to tell me you never said Val Venis should be champion? Don't give me this could/should bullshit. You know in the past you have posted such crap like you think Val Venis derserves a shot at being champion. That sounds like a "should" be champion to me. I swear you come off like some 8 year old mark that hasn't a clue as to how the wrestling business works and dreams up of ideas that will never come to be.

But the thing is you do know how the wrestling business works and I know some of your posts are fantasy booking, but you can't tell me all your posts here in the past year have been all fantasy. I mean sometimes I look at your posts and am like what the fuck is he thinking? People would never watch that.

I'm just saying that people are more likely to care if they stmble upon wrestling whilst flicking channels on a Wednesday night, and see some guys busting their ass and doing phenominal shit, rather than John Cena acting like a wigger.

First, Cena hasn't acted like a wigger in a while. He was doing that in 2004. Second, the wrestling business has always been about entertainment first and "wrestling" second. It's always been like that. Well at least the ones that make the most money and are successful. Even in TNA, guys like Eric Young, Nash, Shelley, Christian are over because they ahve entertaining skits. Yes, 3 of 4 are good wrestlers and do bust there asses, but it's there skits/promos that gets them over.

The minority of wrestling fans watch wrestling to see guys busting there asses week in and week out. TNA would not be where it's at without the casual entertianment that runs throughout its programming.

Anyway, THE MAN BEAST!!!!!! HEEBY JEEBIES.