Just watched TNA for the first time properly...

[Avenger]

Yeah I thought it was really good.

Never really gave it a chance before but the production values etc. are a lot higher than I expected.

Good angles.

They do well at building up characters. i.e. see LAX. They put them in a few squash matches that hide their weaknesses and give them some badass promos and they look pretty formidable.

I was impressed to see how the crowd was genuinely upset when Eric Young got fired.

Christian still stands out as the best guy on that show though.

[Pepsi Man]

Okay, that's the secret then. Squash matches to "hide weakness"!!!!!!!!!11

[Avenger]

Did you watch this week's episode of TNA?

[Pepsi Man]

Did you watch this week's episode of TNA?
Sure. I just think that's the most ridiculous excuse for all the squash matches I've ever read in my life.

[Avenger]

I thought it was a very effective way of putting LAX over. Followed up well on the beatdown of AJ Styles. They faced two jobbers who aren't going to be hurt by a squash match at this stage in their career. For two guys I think are very stiff in the ring and not that impressive they came in, did the job, looked like impressive big men and made them look goddamn formidable for BFG.

I know you make a habit of antagonising people dude, so I'll just leave it at that. Your severe lack of wrestling knowledge and sensibility has been documented in the past.

[Pepsi Man]

I thought it was a very effective way of putting LAX over. Followed up well on the beatdown of AJ Styles. They faced two jobbers who aren't going to be hurt by a squash match at this stage in their career. For two guys I think are very stiff in the ring and not that impressive they came in, did the job, looked like impressive big men and made them look goddamn formidable for BFG.

I know you make a habit of antagonising people dude, so I'll just leave it at that. Your severe lack of wrestling knowledge and sensibility has been documented in the past.
Anyone can be given a squash match. You can make personal insults all you want, but honestly, there's nothing at all special about giving people squash matches. They may have looked impressive to complete marks, but those same complete marks would've been impressed even if their "weaknesses" had been exposed by them trying to wrestle a competitive match.

[Avenger]

It's called building an angle, how would showing LAX struggle against two fucking jobbers make them credible competitors to Daniels and Styles (two of the top 20 wrestlers in the world)?

[Pepsi Man]

... Daniels and Styles (two of the top 20 wrestlers in the world)?
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[Avenger]

No, go ahead. Explain to me why they are not two of the best in the world right now. Explain it to me I'd like to see your informed response.

Emoticons aren't really that helpful in wrestling discussion.

[Crippla]

ROFL...

[Crippla]

It seems we got another feud going on here.

[Avenger]

wtf, can someone tell me who this guy is?

We're having a debate about an issue we disagree on. You have to be a fucking idiot to actually hold a grudge over something that has happened on the internet.

[Avenger]

It seems we got another fued going on here.*feud

[Crippla]

Yeah, typo.

[Crippla]

I also was just laughing at the fact that you are getting so angry over someone disagreeing with your opinion on the fucking internet.

[Avenger]

I just re-read my comments and I seem pretty calm.

As a Law student I do a good bit of mooting which is in essence debating in a court scenario, I have my own style and usually I throw digs at my opponent. But in a calm manner. I just disagreed with him and was trying to get him to explain his point.

Why am I explaining myself to such a tard?

[Avenger]

You know you can always ignore me. Seriously, I can't stand it when all you ever do is bitch about me or say something else negative.

[Avenger]

Nah, it helps me keep track of threads I've posted in and not forget about them. I find it helpful.

[Mr. JL]

I think the first time most people get a chance to watch TNA they think it is good (I did too), but if you keep watching regularly for a little while you're opinion will change.

[Avenger]

Fuck you.

... you fucking douche.

... you fucking prick.

[Avenger]

I think the first time most people get a chance to watch TNA, they think it is good, (and I did too), but if you keep watching regularly for a little while you're opinion will change.Yeah, like Jarrett really pisses me off. He can't really cut a promo anymore for some reason. And I really want him to be able to cos' I love the guy, but he just keeps sucking more everyday.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Daniels MIGHT be one of the best 20 wrestlers in America...Definately not the world.

AJ Styles is nowhere close to either. Don't get me wrong, he can do pretty things... Then again, so can Jack Evans. AJ can't hold a candle to Daniels in terms of actual wrestling ability.

[Innovator]

Avenger, you lost me when you alluded to Homicide having a weakness

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Avenger, you lost me when you eluded to Homicide having a weakness

[Avenger]

:D

[Fignuts]

WWKD is dead on with this one.

Although I think A.J. is more talented than his detractors give him credit for. It seems like a lot of people bash aj cause its the "cool" thing to do on the IWC. They never give any strong arguements as to why hes no good.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

WWKD is dead on with this one.

Although I think A.J. is more talented than his detractors give him credit for. It seems like a lot of people bash aj cause its the "cool" thing to do on the IWC. They never give any strong arguements as to why hes no good.

Seriously. I've seen some of his TNA and ROH stuff, and he's not bad. I enjoyed watching him. He's great at what he does. However, compared to people who can fly and have a great ground based match, it's obvious to see what AJ lacks.

Plus, to his day AJ is still unremarkable personality wise to me.

[The Optimist]

I'm a TNA fan and an AJ fan, though the way they book him confuses the shit out of me sometimes. . .but its TNA. . .so yeah that happens.

[McLegend]

Seriously. I've seen some of his TNA and ROH stuff, and he's not bad. I enjoyed watching him. He's great at what he does. However, compared to people who can fly and have a great ground based match, it's obvious to see what AJ lacks.

Plus, to his day AJ is still unremarkable personality wise to me.
AJ has stepped up his game in the past year or so. He is easily in the top 20.

I love you WWKD, but when it comes to wrestlers on TV he is definitely among the elite.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Top 20 what? Wrestlers in America? No. Wrestlers in the world? Hell no. Wrestlers on TV? Probably not. Maybe near the ass end, 15 or higher. One of the top 20 in TNA, sure, why not.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I'm going to make this a new thread. Hold on.

[McLegend]

Top 20 what? Wrestlers in America? No. Wrestlers in the world? Hell no. Wrestlers on TV? Probably not. Maybe near the ass end, 15 or higher. One of the top 20 in TNA, sure, why not.
He is easily in the Top 20 on TV. I think he is top 20 in the world, but I can see where you're coming from so I can understand why you wouldn't think that. There is no doubt in my mind however that he is in the top 20 wrestlers on TV currently.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I'll give you one of the top 20 on TV.

World, I'd say he's in the top..... 100. Probably somewhere between 60 and 75 IMO. I can see someone putting him in the top 20, but I can think of people who can do what he can, yet more. A lot of Dragon Gate, hell, Jack Evans has been coming along nicely lately, and high flying wise, he's better than AJ IMO.

[McLegend]

I'll give you one of the top 20 on TV.

World, I'd say he's in the top..... 100. Probably somewhere between 60 and 75 IMO. I can see someone putting him in the top 20, but I can think of people who can do what he can, yet more. A lot of Dragon Gate, hell, Jack Evans has been coming along nicely lately, and high flying wise, he's better than AJ IMO.
AJ is more then High Flying. He bumps well, and he has a lot natural Charisma. His moves to look a lot more (hate to use the word) impactful then Jack Evans.

AJ can slow it down speed it up. He can have good match with a lot of different wrestlers. AJ always has good matches. Not too many people in WWE or TNA can say that.

I love AJ.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Personally, AJ strikes me as bland as hell personality wise. That's just me. I dunn though, honestly, something about him rubs me the wrong way. Like I don't think he's someone I'd get along with at all.

Once again, I'm not really trying to argue that AJ isn't good. I just personally feel that there are a decent amount of people better than him.

On a side not, I have a love hate relationship with the styles clash. I prefer it when it's done by Bison Smith.

[Innovator]

I'll give you one of the top 20 on TV.

World, I'd say he's in the top..... 100. Probably somewhere between 60 and 75 IMO. I can see someone putting him in the top 20, but I can think of people who can do what he can, yet more. A lot of Dragon Gate, hell, Jack Evans has been coming along nicely lately, and high flying wise, he's better than AJ IMO.Dragon Kid, Noamichi, CIMA, Ryo Saito......

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I don't think Dragon Kid is better than AJ honestly.

Doi and Yoshino though....

[McLegend]

Personally, AJ strikes me as bland as hell personality wise. That's just me. I dunn though, honestly, something about him rubs me the wrong way. Like I don't think he's someone I'd get along with at all.

Once again, I'm not really trying to argue that AJ isn't good. I just personally feel that there are a decent amount of people better than him.

On a side not, I have a love hate relationship with the styles clash. I prefer it when it's done by Bison Smith.
When it comes to ouside the ring personialty AJ isn't that gifted even though he is a better heel, but he has great in ring charsima.

And I have never seen this Bison Smith do the Styles Clash so I cannot comment on that.

[Bad Company]

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I'd agree with his statement :)

[The Show Off]

I think that AJ is a great wrestler. But I never really made a list of who is better then him. A long time ago I stopped using the "Best in the World" or "Best of All-Time" argument, becuse there is so much wrestling I haven't seen. I don't get a chance to reguarly watch any independents or anything outside the United States. It's too hard to make thje argument on why AJ is or isn't Top 20 in the World. As for on American TV I would have to lean towards AJ being in the top 20 wrestlers. But I'm sure I can make an argument for 20 wrestlers to be better then him.

But if anyone says that Chrisopher Daniels isn't Top 20 on TV in the United States, the you've either never seen Christopher Daniels or you just don't know all that much about wrestling. Quite frankly Daniels is simply the best in my opinion. Then again that's my opinion.

Just as an excersise try to mention 20 wrestlers on TV in the United States that are better then AJ Styles. I think it can be done but I want to see what you come up with.