If wrestling is to become popular again.. [Archive]

Londoner

10-17-2006, 08:50 AM

I've been thinking about this for a while, wrestling just seems to be stale at the moment, its so stale that it's going to take something big to happen in the wrestling industry for it to get attention again. And that big thing is: Vince has to retire and hand it over it Shane or HHH/steph. I personally would choose Shane because I don't like the idea of Steph being in charge, also having a wrestler with that much power has both positives and negatives. But with Shane being in control of the company I feel it could only be positive.

Shane could be the guy to take WWE into a new era, he might just get the hunger back into WWE that Vince has lost, and probably has some interesting ideas of his own. That is just my opinion, though.

Anyone agree?

Discuss...

addy2hotty

10-17-2006, 10:03 AM

I don't think Vince has lost his hunger, he's just lost his mind. With Federline and Jackass people on the show, it's become some sort of horrible reality TV show.

This weeks Raw was the first I've intentionally not watched in something like 10 years, I remember the days I used to set a VCR to record the show when I was out on the piss, nowadays if I forget to Sky Plus (TiVO) it, then I'm not that bothered.

Perhaps I'm getting too old to enjoy this shit.

Londoner

10-17-2006, 10:10 AM

Yeah same here, this is the first Raw i've not been bothered about watching at all. We get tons of highlight shows and two replays of Raw during the week, I don't feel like watching any. I think its to do with Vince aiming towards more what kids want rather than what people in our age group want, like how it used to be.

Maybe it is just his mind he's lost, not the hunger, but that strengthens my point even more that Shane should takeover soon. The company needs a younger/fresher mind to take over.

TerranRich

10-17-2006, 10:54 AM

I don't think Vince has lost his hunger, he's just lost his mind.
SIG'D!!

Rammsteinmad

10-17-2006, 11:36 AM

Vince will hand it over to Triple H, and we'll be the victim of a neverending title run.

addy2hotty

10-17-2006, 12:08 PM

Vince will hand it over to Triple H, and we'll be the victim of a neverending title run.

He's not been champ for a long time now, what is it, 18 months? And he tapped to John fucking Cena at Mania. I think Trips is forgiven for the time being.

Pepsi Man

10-17-2006, 01:04 PM

Frankly, I don't see where Shane or Steph getting "control" would bring any new fans in. If wrestling is to become popular again, it needs a breakout star, someone even non wrestling fans find entertaining or find to be big stars.

Hogan, Rock, Austin...someone like that. Guys like Triple H, Angle, and Jericho don't count, because while they're good at what they do, and while they may be over in terms of being thought of as legit contenders to World championships and whatnot, they don't make the average non wrestling fan go, "You know, that guy's cool." or, "That guy's hilarious."

Londoner

10-17-2006, 01:11 PM

My reasoning is that it would be a major thing in wrestling, and that would get attention back, and hopefully things would start to move in a new direction with someone new in charge of things.

Aslong as Vince is at the top we aren't going to get stars like the Rock or Austin anymore, instead you're going to get guys like Umaga using their thumb as a finisher.

Londoner

10-17-2006, 01:13 PM

Guys like Triple H, Angle, and Jericho don't count, because if they did it would make my point look like shit

Stickman

10-17-2006, 01:13 PM

They need the Ruthless vince back. Not the pussy that he turned into.

Pepsi Man

10-17-2006, 02:20 PM

Sorry, TL, but with guys like Trips, Angle, and Jericho at the helm, there just isn't the same crossover into the mainstream.

As far as guys like Umanga, that's nothing new. King Haku ring a bell?

Londoner

10-17-2006, 02:42 PM

Sorry, TL, but with guys like Trips, Angle, and Jericho at the helm, there just isn't the same crossover into the mainstream.

And that's mainly Vince's fault, as he has not been able to book anybody correctly since all the big stars left the company. Which is basically my point, you see where this is going?

Pepsi Man

10-17-2006, 02:44 PM

And that's mainly Vince's fault, as he has not been able to book anybody correctly since all the big stars left the company. Which is basically my point, you see where this is going?
Actually, I don't. The "big stars" were still in the company alongside the other names I mentioned. Vince stepping down wouldn't magically fix that, nor does him being there, as best I can tell, in and of itself, prevent that from happening.

Jeritron

10-17-2006, 02:57 PM

Pepsi man is right, Angle HHH and Jericho are types that are in business legends, big names, maybe even household names on a much smaller scale, but not Rock/Austin/Hogan. I think what hes trying to say is someone whos a huge popculture hit that EVERYONE knows, from little kids to old ladies. These are the only 3 that have done this so far and I think WWE eventually has to come to terms with the fact that John Cenas just not gonna be it.

Hulkamania was at the forefront of modern prowrestling, so it was easily produced, but WWE isn't gonna be able to make the next Austin/Rock. They're just gonna have to push new stars and let them be themselves and everything else will fall into place.

Londoner

10-17-2006, 03:01 PM

Pepsi Man

10-17-2006, 03:06 PM

And aslong as Vince is around no new stars will be booked correctly. The last 4 years or so have shown this. I'm not saying Shane would turn everything around quickly, but it certainly would get the attention back. It's major news when the company switches owners. Atleast the WWE would have a fresh start then, to.
It would be big news to current wrestling fans, but that would basically be it. You might get a few older fans that had stopped watching to watch again for a show or two, but that would be about it. I would compare the WWE getting a new chairman to ECW coming back in terms of what it does to ratings and PPV buyrates and such.

Londoner

10-17-2006, 03:08 PM

Nah it would be far bigger than ECW being brought back, I think. But that's a matter of opinion I suppose.

Pepsi Man

10-17-2006, 03:14 PM

Nah it would be far bigger than ECW being brought back, I think. But that's a matter of opinion I suppose.
It would be a bigger deal, but people that aren't currently fanatics wouldn't see it that way, as they wouldn't care.

Londoner

10-17-2006, 03:15 PM

How do you know?

Jeritron

10-17-2006, 03:19 PM

Pepsi Man

10-17-2006, 03:20 PM

How do you know?
How do you know everything will magically change? How do you know Vince WON'T be responsible for yet another boom period, for that matter?

Londoner

10-17-2006, 03:26 PM

Because he keeps hiring shit writers who know fuck all about wrestling.

And I never said it would 'magically change' i said it would give WWE a fresh start that it needs.

Jeritron

10-17-2006, 03:28 PM

There will be another boom period, who knows when. But we've been in the early 90's-esque lull for a while now, so hopefully its soon.

Londoner

10-17-2006, 03:30 PM

It would be bigger than ECW being brought back in terms of making the news and maybe even getting a few old fans to tune in, but it would go back to normal within a week. WWE is a product presented through media, and regardless of how big something that happens within the company may be with fans and insiders, its the changes on the surface that get noticed.
Vince retiring/passing away would make the national news, front page of the paper, it would be a big deal but it wouldnt make people watch the show.

You still don't get what i'm saying. Shane might have some new ideas and book the WWE to different audience to what Vince is. Get it? Vince just wants the kids to buy into merchandise these days, rather than create intresting storylines.

Jeritron

10-17-2006, 03:31 PM

I dont see how it would give WWE a fresh start, it'd be a big shift no doubt. But do you really think Shane would change things dramatically quickly? No way. He'd also need time to earn some respect as a promoter and not being just the heir to the throne. You'd be looking at the same show gradually changing over the years. It wouldnt be like "boom my dad was sucking it up so heres a new slate" with all the titles vacated, logos changed and everything like WCW did towards the end, never.

Kane Knight

10-17-2006, 03:32 PM

I don't think Vince has lost his hunger, he's just lost his mind. With Federline and Jackass people on the show, it's become WCW

Londoner

10-17-2006, 03:32 PM

Again, I NEVER SAID THINGS WOULD MAGICALLY CHANGE.

FFS.

Jeritron

10-17-2006, 03:36 PM

I see, I just dont think things would change noticably for a while, which is what they'd do anyways. I thought you were kinda saying that it would be a huge change in direction, my bad if i misunderstood.

Pepsi Man

10-17-2006, 03:39 PM

I see, I just dont think things would change noticably for a while, which is what they'd do anyways.
Thanks, jeritron. I think you've just said what I've been trying to say this whole thread.

Londoner

10-17-2006, 03:40 PM

Pepsi Man

10-17-2006, 03:43 PM

No problem. I'll say my point a bit clearer one final time:

Aslong as Vince is doing things the way he is then there isn't going to be a boom period ever again, therefore the WWE needs a new person to take control, as in Shane, who might have some new ways of doing things. I'm being optimisitic I know but aslong as Vince is around things aren't going to improve, his ego is too big to let that happen.
Again, you're making assumptions no smaller than the ones made by myself or jeritron. There have been when wrestling hasn't been that popular before, and Vince McMahon was in control back then as well. He did the same things for years at a time, but eventually changed them. Four or five years is too early (in the grand scheme of things) to say that things will "never" change with Vince McMahon in control.

Londoner

10-17-2006, 03:45 PM

Well, aslong as he continues the way he is, WWE is going downhill.

Jeritron

10-17-2006, 03:48 PM

I see the desire for something new, and I definitely agree Vinces ego is big. But Vince has been running the company through thick and thin all along, through all the booms and all the lows, there could very well be a boom period again with Vince in control.
I hate to be the one to say it, but Vince will die someday, so the day where Shanes running the company is coming anyways. But you do realize its not just Shane whos gonna be running the company. Its also his sister and her husband. It could be very chaotic.

Londoner

10-17-2006, 03:54 PM

Actually, I didn't know they could all share it. I just hope Vince doesn't leave behind a dying company that's too far in the shitter to be brought back.

Jeritron

10-17-2006, 04:01 PM

Its funny you should say that because I was just thinking about that. What if Vince lives late into his life and becomes senile, or just not all there, but still insists on calling the shots and allows the company to slip down the shitter? Thats a scary thought.
But yes Vince has been clear that the company would be going to Shane and Stephanie equally.

Kane Knight

10-17-2006, 09:14 PM

Well, aslong as he continues the way he is, WWE is going downhill.

But that's nothing new, either.

Vince fucked up the company when he first got hold of it. Then came Hogan. Then there were some pretty bad years. Then the precursor to the Attitude Era. Things always look bad, because Vince has basically stumbled upon the winning formula each time.

Vince is the guy who nearly killed the business, just the same way he's the guy who revolutionised the business.

El Fangel

10-17-2006, 09:23 PM

Perhaps IT'S getting too old to enjoy this shit.

El Fangel

10-17-2006, 09:31 PM

Also if a wrestler gained control of the company it would suck, as we would have another JJ on our hands. FUCK YOU JARRETT .

Kane Knight

10-17-2006, 10:02 PM

Also if a wrestling gained control of the company it would suck, as we would have another JJ on our hands. FUCK YOU JARRETT .

Did you just correct someone and then use "wrestling" instead of "wrestler?"

Anyway, it doesn't have to be bad. It depends on who the wrestler is and whether or not he's active. I think a wrestler could run a company. I just think in a macho business, cocks are more likely to rise...

Londoner

10-17-2006, 10:10 PM

It could be good if HHH has some control within WWE, more so than just backstage shit. Having a wrestler up there or retired wrestler even, that really knows what it takes could help a lot.

El Fangel

10-17-2006, 10:14 PM

Did you just correct someone and then use "wrestling" instead of "wrestler?"

Anyway, it doesn't have to be bad. It depends on who the wrestler is and whether or not he's active. I think a wrestler could run a company. I just think in a macho business, cocks are more likely to rise...

I wasn't correcting anyone, I was stating my opinion. And yes I did spell it wrong :lol: Changed it though, but hey this is from the person who posted Smat people, ok what more do you expect.

And yes it depends on which wrestler, HHH may run it as it should be run, but if he anywheres near the egotistical (sp?) bastard, that JJ is WWE wil drown in the shitter.

Kane Knight

10-17-2006, 10:42 PM

Don't mind me, I'm slexdysic anyway.

Time will tell on HHH, but it's likely he's headed to the top, so we'll find out sooner or later.

El Fangel

10-17-2006, 10:46 PM

At least HHH as an annoying pricky heel, is somewhat entertaining, but he lacks the certain heel charisma that makes me want to shoot him, much like I do JJ.