X-Men 4 casting

[M-A-G]

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James Earl Jones as...

http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/thumb/1/13/Apocalypse.jpg/442px-Apocalypse.jpg
...Apocalypse.

http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~rn6d-hnd/people/lucy_liu.jpg
Lucy Liu as....

http://www.reappropriate.com/content/psylocke.jpg
...Psylocke. Yeah, we're just going to ignore that whole X3 fiasco and actually do something with her.

http://img.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/050407/16937__sawyer_l.jpg

osh Holloway as...

http://photos4.flickr.com/4253404_550ef3cf58.jpg
...Gambit.

http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/bigpicture/images/samuelljackson.jpg
Samuel L. Jackson as....

http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/b/b7/Bishop_2.jpg
...Bishop.

http://www.rickmcginnis.com/portfolio/rickman.JPG
Alan Rickman as....

http://www.leftoverokra.com/cerebro/pics/mrsinister.gif
Mr. Sinister.

OK, it's late and I'm sleepy so they're not all thought out but just work with me. What do you all think? Or has this been done to death so many times it's not worth it?

[The Naitch]

holy fucking shit :eek:

[RoXer]

Stop misleading people. I ran in here all hyped to death about how an XMen 4 was being made and not the two backstories but now I find out it's just you making obvious fantasy choices that any of us owuld have made. For shame :nono:

[M-A-G]

Sorry. You may neg rep me at will. :(

[M-A-G]

It'd be an interesting storyling I think though if it was like Bishop coming in from the future and talking to the X-Men about a horrible future where this evil tyrant (Apocalypse) has overtaken everything thanks to a horrid scheme he enacted in the past and now has his Horsemen (one of them being Sinister) overlooking territories of the globe (a la Age of Apocalypse). So then the story is now Bishop helps the X-Men stop Apocalypse and Sinister and maybe along the way Rogue runs away (again) and runs into Gambit somehow. I spend way too much time with my thoughts.

[Funky Fly]

If they do a movie on the Age of Apocalypse, everyone (except comic nerds) will be like "WTF? none of this makes sense. I want my money back"

[Dave Youell]

The casting of gambit would be great though.

Good call!

[M-A-G]

If they do a movie on the Age of Apocalypse, everyone (except comic nerds) will be like "WTF? none of this makes sense. I want my money back"

Well it wouldn't really be the AoA because it's Bishop travelling to the 'present' as opposed to someone going deep into Xavier's past. The AoA came about because Xavier wasn't there to form the X-Men as opposed to the movies where he obviously lived long enough to create them.

[Kalyx triaD]

My thoughts on X4:

Wolverine=OUT:
We don't need anymore Wolverine than we need. He has his own movie coming out and that's that.

Storm=IN:
She's the head-master of the school now, and Berry would love to have a bigger role. She's pretty much the Storm we all know, now's her chance to run with it.

Emma Frost:
Heather Locklear would be a cool addition to the cast, and a great foil to Halle's Storm. Imagine Emma coming in as a new teacher at the Institute, hired by Orroro to help pick up the slack after the events of Last Stand. But Emma uses shady tactics, and doesn't mind dressing like a hooker in class. A dispute between her and Storm could lead her to create her own team of top students. Oh yes; the Hellions.

FF:
It's all Fox, baby. Have Johnny Storm make a cameo in a theater scene where Bobby Drake and Rogue are leaving a movie. Rogue feels funny (a side effect of the 'cure', being it's only a temp. effect after all) and she rushes to the Ladies Room. She bumps into Johnny Storm while he's on a date and touches her skin. Rogue burst into flames for a sec and scares the shit outta everyone (which could be used to fuel another anti-mutant plot). When Rogue runs off, Bobby gives Johnny a stare like, "You're a mutant?" or something to that regard. I think it would be a cool cameo scene.

More ideas to come.

[Jon Kano]

The Holloway suggestion is not a new idea. I did read somewhere he was approached before production began on X3 if he would/wouldve accept the role and he said no because Gambit is too much like Sawyer and as an actor thats his stance/choice on the matter.

[M-A-G]

When did Sawyer start charging objects with kinetic energy, talking with a Cajun accent, and fighting with a staff?

[Jon Kano]

The character you tard - thief, charmer, sarcastic, rebellious, outsider....catching on yet?

[M-A-G]

That was the fan in me speaking. :(

[Kane Knight]

Any of the time travel story lines will gay up the movies. Sinister, Bishop, and Apocalypse all have the potential to do this. You note that they made Juddgy a mutant, and they made Phoenix a hedonistic psychopathic alternate personality.

Pick people to cast that don't gay up the storyline, please.


...Okay, anymore than the S&M costumes and making Wolverine a PUSSY.

[Kane Knight]

Oh, but Rickman and Jones are good choices. However, for Apocalypse, I would go with Ving Rames (drawing a blank on the spelling of his last name) or Christopher Judge. Not to knock Jones. And in any case, I think it's a given that Apocalypse must be a big black guy.

[Kane Knight]

When did Sawyer start charging objects with kinetic energy, talking with a Cajun accent, and fighting with a staff?

Wow, you're really behind on the show, aren't you?

[M-A-G]

OK, so we ignore the whole "Apocalypse rules in the future" nonsense and we'll just have him awakening in this time period after a long slumber. Bishop can come in for the heck of it and just make references to how things are without a mission to do something about it. He then joins the team to bring down The 'Poc and his 4 homies (wouldn't it be cool if he adds a brainwashed Angel alongside Sinister and to really strike a nerve with Magneto, brainwash Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch?) and prevent one of those major schemes that Apocalypse seems to love. Maybe even a show down in a pyramid or something. Please stop me from thinking!!!

[M-A-G]

Wow, you're really behind on the show, aren't you?

I can't devote time and energy to all the networks all the time! CW's starting up and I got some white dude about to open case number 24! Priorities dammit!!!

[Kane Knight]

OK, so we ignore the whole "Apocalypse rules in the future" nonsense and we'll just have him awakening in this time period after a long slumber. Bishop can come in for the heck of it and just make references to how things are without a mission to do something about it. He then joins the team to bring down The 'Poc and his 4 homies (wouldn't it be cool if he adds a brainwashed Angel alongside Sinister and to really strike a nerve with Magneto, brainwash Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch?) and prevent one of those major schemes that Apocalypse seems to love. Maybe even a show down in a pyramid or something. Please stop me from thinking!!!

Find Jesus. Faith will destroy the thought center of your brain.

[M-A-G]

Find Jesus. Faith will destroy the thought center of your brain.

Is that like finding Matt Lauer?

[Fignuts]

Kalyx, taking wolverine out would be the dumbest thing they could do outside of giving the film to joel schumacher.

He IS the x-men. Yeah, us comic nerds will say he is over-exposed, but its not like we're not gonna go see it. Taking him out may mean losing sales to casual fans and people who don't read comics at all. Thats actually the majority of their audience as well.

[Jon Kano]

I had always hoped they put Morph in there somewhere, pref in the first film but hey.

They could've so easily done the whole 'cure' storyline better also me thinks. In the cartoon they had the cure storyline on Muir Island right, then that virus thing which involved Apoc, they should've mixed the two to make the climax of 3, and anticpation of 4 much better, where the cure was the virus and that bought about Apoc, Sinister, Bishop etc. Maybe.

[Kalyx triaD]

Kalyx, taking wolverine out would be the dumbest thing they could do outside of giving the film to joel schumacher.

He IS the x-men. Yeah, us comic nerds will say he is over-exposed, but its not like we're not gonna go see it. Taking him out may mean losing sales to casual fans and people who don't read comics at all. Thats actually the majority of their audience as well.

I don't agree with you.

[Fignuts]

I don't agree with your face.

Point is, wolverine is the character that draws in the non-hardcore comic reader audience, which accounts for the majority of the tickets sold.

[Kalyx triaD]

I don't agree with your face.

You sent the point home with that alone. :'(

[El Fangel]

I agree with all your casting except for Mr. Sinister, just looks out of place, also xmen4 is likely a given, because of the end of 3, and hopefully it isn't an apocalypse storyline, because after that what could they do?

[ClockShot]

I agree with all your casting except for Mr. Sinister, just looks out of place, also xmen4 is likely a given, because of the end of 3, and hopefully it isn't an apocalypse storyline, because after that what could they do?

M Day, Cable, Nate Grey, Onslaught. Many a direction they can go. But they gotta cut it off at some point.

As for cast. All go well. I was thinking the lovely Kelly Hu for the part of Psylocke. But she was Lady Deathstrike and, in my opinion, totally underused in X2, and got killed off. Lucy Liu could work, or maybe Zhang Ziyi.

[Kalyx triaD]

Film adaptation of M-Day = New trilogy epic

[Funky Fly]

I had always hoped they put Morph in there somewhere, pref in the first film but hey.

They could've so easily done the whole 'cure' storyline better also me thinks. In the cartoon they had the cure storyline on Muir Island right, then that virus thing which involved Apoc, they should've mixed the two to make the climax of 3, and anticpation of 4 much better, where the cure was the virus and that bought about Apoc, Sinister, Bishop etc. Maybe.
Morph the cartoon character isn't from the comics. Morph from the Age of Apocalypse = The Changeling = dead.

[Jon Kano]

Morph the cartoon character isn't from the comics. Morph from the Age of Apocalypse = The Changeling = dead.

Shit. I liked Morph.

[Lara Emily]

I had always hoped they put Morph in there somewhere, pref in the first film but hey.

They could've so easily done the whole 'cure' storyline better also me thinks. In the cartoon they had the cure storyline on Muir Island right, then that virus thing which involved Apoc, they should've mixed the two to make the climax of 3, and anticpation of 4 much better, where the cure was the virus and that bought about Apoc, Sinister, Bishop etc. Maybe.

Morph isn't a comic book character (though they created someone later with the name but not really the same guy persay) as Funky said (that and from a general movie going populace you would have two characters with identical powers), he was created for the ANimated Series, and please don't quote the animated series for storylines (they fucked every single comic storyline up)

[Funky Fly]

Yup.

[Lara Emily]

M Day, Cable, Nate Grey, Onslaught. Many a direction they can go. But they gotta cut it off at some point.

As for cast. All go well. I was thinking the lovely Kelly Hu for the part of Psylocke. But she was Lady Deathstrike and, in my opinion, totally underused in X2, and got killed off. Lucy Liu could work, or maybe Zhang Ziyi.
Onslaught would be weird to limit to just X-men characters but it could work. I'd leave out the Alterverse Summers/Grey offspring and Cable's background would have to be massively changed to work and finally for the love of god do not do a House of M movie, terrible!

[Kane Knight]

Morph isn't a comic book character (though they created someone later with the name but not really the same guy persay) as Funky said (that and from a general movie going populace you would have two characters with identical powers), he was created for the ANimated Series, and please don't quote the animated series for storylines (they fucked every single comic storyline up)Ummm...Who the fuck cares?

No, seriously. Nothing personal, but have you noticed how un-cannon the movies are? Who gives a shit if Morph was only really made for the cartoon?

[M-A-G]

I agree with all your casting except for Mr. Sinister, just looks out of place, also xmen4 is likely a given, because of the end of 3, and hopefully it isn't an apocalypse storyline, because after that what could they do?

Sinister's been Apocalypse's right hand man for a lot of things even in the AoA storyline. Or are you saying that Rickman isn't a good choice?

[Pinnacle Charisma]

Why would anyone do a House of M movie. Heck its not even popular amoung the comic book nerds.

An AoA movie might not work but a mini-series would be awesome. Just thinking about it makes my pants wet

If there was an X-4 i would like Mr Sinister to be the main villian. Hes a much better villian than Apocalypse (who has become a joke in the last few years) and givin his connections with Summers and Jean Grey they could find a way to bring those two back( only if they do a better job with cyclops this time).

And if Sinister was the main villian it would be a perfect way to introduce Holloway as Gambit given the characters two interwined histories (and M-A-G didnt think of this casting Holloway was offered the role in X-3).

[BigDaddyCool]

Alan Rickman is the shit.

[BigDaddyCool]

Lucy Lui? Really as Psylocke, that isn't played out. That is such an obvious choice that it isn't even cool. That girl from Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Hero, Memoirs of a Geshia would be way better.

[Sting Fan]

So is this actualy coming or is this all complete conjecture?

I see someone said the affects of the "Cure" was short lived, that certianly fits with the ending where Magneto begins moving the chess peice. Maybe its time they moved right away from the X-Men comics and Apocolypse as well creating a new set of villans that no one can compare too the old.

I dont know much about the comic series, I was more a cartoon fan (sacrelige(sp?) I know) but it wasnt known too the general populace in the comics that Mutants existed was it?

If so maybe its time to go a whole new way, with mutants out in the open there is a lot of room to move on the sentinel storyline as was hinted in X-3 with the danger room sim at the start.

The biggest problem is where do you go with the actual X-Men. You have Storm, Wolverine and too a lesser extent than that Beast, Rogue, and Iceman as charachters in there own right. Everyone else is so underplayed and underutilised. They seriously need to build up Collossus and maybe bring in Gambit to play a younger Wolverine type part.

And just a random question, wtf happened to Nightcrawler??? Did I miss something in X2 about him because as I watched X3 the other night I wondered the whole time where he was. I almost expected him to pop up in the Jet while they were flying too Alcatraz.

[El Fangel]

Sinister's been Apocalypse's right hand man for a lot of things even in the AoA storyline. Or are you saying that Rickman isn't a good choice?

That Rickman isn't a good choice.

[El Fangel]

And just a random question, wtf happened to Nightcrawler??? Did I miss something in X2 about him because as I watched X3 the other night I wondered the whole time where he was. I almost expected him to pop up in the Jet while they were flying too Alcatraz.

The actor that had the role, didn't want to resume because of how long it took to do make-up and other things, so they just wrote the character out.

[Impact!]

The main villian for the next movie should be this guy.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1344

[Joey Slugs]

They aren't making a new X-Men movie.... just so you all know.

[Kane Knight]

I see someone said the affects of the "Cure" was short lived, that certianly fits with the ending where Magneto begins moving the chess peice.

Speaking of which, did they change the DVD ending? It seems to cut off before we see it like we did in theaters.

[Destor]

They aren't making a new X-Men movie.... just so you all know.I think they will eventually. Just because there aren't plans for it in the near future doesn't mean they wont at some point...

[AdrianM]

Speaking of which, did they change the DVD ending? It seems to cut off before we see it like we did in theaters.

I've gotta say, I've seen it several times on DVD, but never at cinemas' and it never seemed that the piece moved by itself. I dunno, but if it did...then they made it extremely, extremely subtle! (too subtle)

[Kane Knight]

I've gotta say, I've seen it several times on DVD, but never at cinemas' and it never seemed that the piece moved by itself. I dunno, but if it did...then they made it extremely, extremely subtle! (too subtle)

It wasn't subtle in the theaters though. That's the thing. I kinda wondered if I missed it or something, but I rewound it, and no...

It's like they cut two seconds off the movie. I'm not even sure why...If they didn't want that to air, why release it in theaters?

[Sting Fan]

Yeah on the DVD he has his hand over the peice and it sort of shakes, it doesnt really move, its almost like its gonna move, you can see it starting then it cuts.

I never saw it at the movies so I cant compare.

I really still think a sentinel storyline is the way to go, its less confusing and more clear cut than pushing onwards with a mutant vs. Mutant sort of thing. Maybe unite whats left of the brotherhood and the X-Men to fight a new president or something who has pushed them all underground with a reborn setinel program.

This would be perfect to introduce a whole new set of Mutants to maybe split off and get back into the comic storylines at some point.

That all said I'm pretty gutted there is no plans right now as X-Men is a real guilty pleasure movie of mine. I love them all.

[Kane Knight]

All I have to say is what I said to Lara a few months back.

The main problem with X-Men movies is they're trying to take an entire story arc and cram it into 2 hours or less.

With the emergence of truly big budget TV as we're seeing now, we need to see a resurgance of the serial. This would greatly help out in terms of comic movies, because they could fill in the downtime between or replace them entirely.

For those unfamiliar with the concept, it's how Batman and Superman first appeared. You would go into a theater and catch an installment of a serial. Often times, you'd catch several at once, but these serials were generally short. There would be a cliffhanger ending, and you'd have to show up next week.

I'd like to see something similar in theaters, with runs similar to television. A big screen serial could be readily done these days, and it would keep people coming back. A 12-13 episode story arc, each element 30-60 minutes could really allow some depth to enter a story. This will especially benefit the comic geeks, who are the first ones to rip into a movie for things that are obviously edited/removed for time. I mean, even if everyone wasn't a mutant in X-Men (A concession of time), there's no way they'd give us the full phoenix story, because so much of the backstory needed to be eliminated for time. Large comic arcs like Phoenix/Dark Phoenix are already set up for this sort of transition, with built in cliffhangers. The comic book style lends itself well to the serial format as a result.

It would also be easy to tie together movies that are seemingly disparate. You can even do it with smaller groups, and get less known actors.

This will never happen, but....

Anyway, anyone consider that the main reason there are no plans right now for X-4 is that there are two spinoffs coming out? This is rhetorical, as I hope to God someone has actually thought of this besides me.