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Blue Demon
10-23-2006, 11:58 AM
OK...let me get this straight.

On SPIKE TV, Kurt Angle tells those viewing that he " hit rock bottom" after getting addicted to extra-strength Vicodin after undergoing neck surgery.

On Tuesday, October 18, in a press conference, he said the following:

"... I haven't taken painkillers in over 3 years. I did have a problem and became dependant on them and I went to Jim Ross and Vince, and I explained to them I was afraid I may die. I was on the road 300 days a year and I would take full handfuls of pills. My wife took me to a pain doctor, and I had a match in 3 days with Cena. I was told to go to rehab, and I was told not to go cold turkey, but I wanted to do it cold turkey and he said I could die."

Later, on the afternoon of October 18, Angle issued a "clarification", correcting his statement at the press conference; claiming he BEGAN to take painkillers three years ago, and has been clean since February 2005.

So which statement is true? Are either of the statements true?

There have been more than a few people who suggest that those of us who've writing about this story are either attacking TNA or trying to tell Angle how he should live his life.

First of all, I want to see as many wrestling companies succeed as possible. I don't want TNA to fail. I want to see them succeed so they can finally be a challenge to Vince McMahon and WWE; a challenge which hasn't existed since the closing of WCW and the real ECW. When WWE is challenged, then mainstream wrestling and its fans will be the beneficary...as will WWE itself.

Second, as for telling Angle how to live his life...with all that anyone who's looking is seeing, and with the contradictions in what's being said (especially by Angle himself), and with the lack of a response from TNA as to what their announced drug policy us...we have the right to ask questions of the TNA hierarchy that is telling us everything is fine with Angle. We have the right to ask them why we should believe what they're telling us.

Why do I care about this subject so damned much?

One reason: we're approaching the first anniversary of the death of Eddie Guerrero.

As pretty much everyone reading this was, I turned on my PC and read of Eddie Guerrero's death on a Sunday morning.

In much the same way as Kurt Angle is, Eddie Guerrero was obsessed with putting on the best possible performance for his fans. Between the physical and mental toll that wrestling took, the past recreational alcohol and drug use, and the use of steroids and other growth-enhancing drugs to keep his body "looking like a wrestler", his body gave out on a Sunday morning as he was brushing his teeth...a day on which he was about to be awarded that night the WWE Championship he had earlier some months before tried to represent at considerable physical and mental cost to himself.

I think what made Guerrero's passing so difficult for fans and those within wrestling to take was the fact that Eddie was clean and sober (Eddie had just celebrated his fourth anniversary of sobriety. ...and had been so for some time. Guerrero had found God, dealt with his demons, worked on his addictions to alcohol and other drugs; yet was taken from this world with so much to live for.

I first met Eddie Guerrero when he came into ECW in April 1994. There have been few people I've ever seen within wrestling who have ever been genuinely nicer or more approachable to fans than Eddie Guerrero was.

Eddie was a kind, decent man who remembered his friends. The most notable example I was able to see was that of Brian Hildebrand, who was remembered and supported on more than one occasion by Guerrero. I remember being the post-show bar scene at a WCW house show, when I saw Guerrero saying a prayer over his post-show meal...thought it was odd, and then later that night found out about Brian's cancer.

I've never met Kurt Angle, so I have no similar personal knowledge or opinions about the man...but I see so much of what happened to Guerrero in his situation right now.

So when I think about what Kurt Angle may be attempting to do right now, with reports (and his own statements) on his painkiller addiction, the physical toll the WWE schedule is taking on his body...I think of Eddie Guerrero and that Sunday morning.

I don't want to turn on my computer and read the same about Kurt Angle some morning; or get a phone call from someone and get the news I've gotten time after time after time: that yet one more wrestler was found dead in a lonely hotel room somewhere.

Until next time...


Source: PWBTS.com

Destor
10-23-2006, 04:21 PM
Not very interesting. People on here have spewed that shit better.

Mr. Aristocrat
10-23-2006, 04:32 PM
Angle I would bet is still on pain killers, I don't give a fuck about a company's drug policy, and if Angle dies it will be horribly sad, but not suprising.

Also I agree with Desty on this one, people here have given more meaningful and insightful assesments of the situation.

El Fangel
10-23-2006, 04:41 PM
As do I, We have all read reports on Kurt, and we could sum it up better.

Destor
10-23-2006, 05:03 PM
I would like to state I don't care that he is on pain killers. I take 'em too. I'd be a hypocrite if I said that Kurt shouldn't take them after what he has went through.

Mr. Aristocrat
10-23-2006, 06:08 PM
Hell I take pain killers and I'm not even a wrestler or someone who is in a physically damaging career. To expect Angle or anybody who works in pro wrestling to not take pain killers is idiotic. It is a part of the the business. Does it make it healthy? No. But than again neither is starving yourself half to death to be a model, or doing mind expanding drugs to be a musician, or actors like Christian Bale who in the past few years has gone from 170 to 118 to 225 back down to 150. The fact is sometimes people make choices to put their careers (which many times is their passion and/or love) ahead of their physical well being. And if it shaves years off, to them it is worth it due to the fact the years they spent living the way they were is better than the alternative to sit in a desk and live to be 90. Again their choice. Get off Angle's dick. He is a great wrestler and has a hell of a life story, that doesn't make him perfect, and more over, who's image of perfect do we use to judge him? If he dies at next month's PPV, I am sure his family will be heartbroken, but to the man Kurt Angle he made the choice to do what he does. If the man asked me I would personally hand him the bottle and wish him good luck on another match. And yes, before anyone asks, I would have done the same thing for Eddie Guerrero a year ago...

Mr. Aristocrat
10-23-2006, 06:15 PM
He is a great wrestler...

Having said that, he is no Destor.:yes:

Avenger
10-23-2006, 06:15 PM
Jesus Christ he is not going to die.

You are all idiots for believing everything you read and not forming your OWN opinions on it.

Are you not capable of this?

Destor
10-23-2006, 06:17 PM
Having said that, he is no Destor.:yes:Amen.

Mr. Aristocrat
10-23-2006, 06:18 PM
Reading that several doctors put him on a death watch...I don't know Angle, nor am I farmiliar with his physical well being, but if I hear several professional medical experts believe he is going to die soon, I tend to believe them. Just like when someone says a hurricane is coming, I tend to think, "Hmmmm maybe it's time I move my ghetto ass out of the city before my new home becomes a football feild."

But that's just me...Denny Craine.

Avenger
10-23-2006, 06:35 PM
I never heard of a doctor putting him on death watch. I doubt that its a medical term. I think that was just the opinion of his peers and just people going crazy after Eddie's untimely death.

Mr. Aristocrat
10-23-2006, 06:39 PM
I am too fuckin lazy to look into and research it, but from my understanding many doctors believe that Kurt Angle's death is a matter of time situation. Provided these internet rumors are false (which would shake my entire faith in the internet itself) I would take a second look and possibly side on the reasonable assumption and observation that many people have wrestled some of their best years post-broken neck. Personally, I don't think Angle will live very long...and that's based of the internet "facts" I have at my disposal.

Kane Knight
10-23-2006, 06:58 PM
Hell I take pain killers and I'm not even a wrestler or someone who is in a physically damaging career. To expect Angle or anybody who works in pro wrestling to not take pain killers is idiotic. It is a part of the the business. Does it make it healthy? No. But than again neither is starving yourself half to death to be a model, or doing mind expanding drugs to be a musician, or actors like Christian Bale who in the past few years has gone from 170 to 118 to 225 back down to 150. The fact is sometimes people make choices to put their careers (which many times is their passion and/or love) ahead of their physical well being. And if it shaves years off, to them it is worth it due to the fact the years they spent living the way they were is better than the alternative to sit in a desk and live to be 90. Again their choice. Get off Angle's dick. He is a great wrestler and has a hell of a life story, that doesn't make him perfect, and more over, who's image of perfect do we use to judge him? If he dies at next month's PPV, I am sure his family will be heartbroken, but to the man Kurt Angle he made the choice to do what he does. If the man asked me I would personally hand him the bottle and wish him good luck on another match. And yes, before anyone asks, I would have done the same thing for Eddie Guerrero a year ago...

You know, I doubt you've ever abused painkillers, or taken enough to manage a broken (freakin') neck...To even compare you taking painkillers to what he does, what's killed many wrestlers in the business....

:nono:

Mr. Aristocrat
10-23-2006, 07:01 PM
Hell no I haven't. I have never needed to. Nor did I ever claim to. My first sentence was in response to Destor's comment he takes them because he is a wrestler, and mine was a glib remark of how I use them for pleasure. If I presented it as though I have done even a fraction of what someone like Angle has done, my mistake.

Kane Knight
10-23-2006, 07:02 PM
I am too fuckin lazy to look into and research it, but from my understanding many doctors believe that Kurt Angle's death is a matter of time situation. Provided these internet rumors are false (which would shake my entire faith in the internet itself) I would take a second look and possibly side on the reasonable assumption and observation that many people have wrestled some of their best years post-broken neck. Personally, I don't think Angle will live very long...and that's based of the internet "facts" I have at my disposal.

That's a chicken or egg argument though. The whole "matter of time" thing really seems to almost entirely be grounded in the things he's doing to his body, not any prior injury.

St. Jimmy
10-23-2006, 07:03 PM
Kurt Angle is the greatest spin-doctor in wrestling today.

Avenger
10-23-2006, 07:04 PM
i doubt if a doctor actually said YOU ARE GOING TO DIE SOON KURT that he'd actually wrestler MR. Aristocrat - IF THAT IS YOUR REAL NAME

pffft

Avenger
10-23-2006, 07:05 PM
Kurt Angle is the greatest spin-doctor in wrestling today.because of the last two weeks???

Vince has done it for the last 20 years

Bret Hart does it for a living these days

BUT NO KURT YEAH HES A SPIN DOCTOR

pffffffft

Mr. Aristocrat
10-23-2006, 07:08 PM
i doubt if a doctor actually said YOU ARE GOING TO DIE SOON KURT that he'd actually wrestler MR. Aristocrat - IF THAT IS YOUR REAL NAME

pffft

Actually my real name is Mr. Superior...but it sounds too pompus. Anyway, if a doctor told him point blank that if he wrestled another match he would die, he would not be the first person to walk head first into the grave for their addiction.

Avenger
10-23-2006, 07:25 PM
Why don't you suck my balls?

Mr. Aristocrat
10-23-2006, 07:34 PM
Because if I sucked your balls I would be so good at it that you would never again be sexual satisfied by anyone else and would stalk me until I eventually have to kill you. You don't wanna die as a pathedic homo do you???

Tb1
10-23-2006, 07:48 PM
C'mon guys, we're all friends hereFUCK OFF BITCH.

Kane Knight
10-23-2006, 08:43 PM
Actually my real name is Mr. Superior...but it sounds too pompus. Anyway, if a doctor told him point blank that if he wrestled another match he would die, he would not be the first person to walk head first into the grave for their addiction.

Doesn't make it any better.

Mr. Aristocrat
10-23-2006, 08:46 PM
Who are you to judge and say an early death is such a bad thing? Wouldn't you rather live a short life doing what you love rather than a long life knowing you could be living your dreams but arn't?

Destor
10-23-2006, 08:52 PM
It's better to burn out than to fade away...

FourFifty
10-23-2006, 09:10 PM
This thread wasted time that I could have used to watch Invader Zim.