The ECW December To Dismember Thread

[NeanderCarl]

Well, we lucky Brits are getting it free, which is lucky because after the atrocious Survivor Series, I would never have paid for it.

Anyway only two matches have been announced. I'll provide results for those who are interested.

[NeanderCarl]

At least those two matches are quite promising, anyway.

[Tb1]

Let's hope for the best. First PPV I haven't ordered since sometime in 2004ish

[NeanderCarl]

Well, we open with the backstory to tonight's main event, The Extreme Elimination Chamber. Big Show vs Test vs Sabu vs RVD vs CM Punk vs Lashley.

They have a big, elaborate WWE-style stage. This really is WWECW.

Joey Styles and Tazz on commentary.

Wouldn't it be horrible if one of the WWE's heavy cage structures were to fall from the ceiling one day? Hope they use heavy duty equipment for that shit.

ECW has SPANISH ANNOUNCERS now??

We're kicking off with MNM vs The Hardyz.

I call a Joey Mercury turn in this match.

[addy2hotty]

Will probably download it as I've forgotten to set it up on my Sky+ (TiVo), and can't be bothered to tear myself away from the Cricket to go set it up.

[Blitz]

Stevie Richards beat Rene Dupree in a dark match according to Observer.

[NeanderCarl]

Will probably download it as I've forgotten to set it up on my Sky+ (TiVo), and can't be bothered to tear myself away from the Cricket to go set it up.

Just scroll over to Sky Sports 3 and press the R button, you don't even have to change the channel.

[Tb1]

LOL, match one of two starting it out.

[NeanderCarl]

It doesn't bode well that the two teams in the opening match (one of the only announced matches at that) get virtually no reaction from the crowd.

Imagine the crowd reactions when the likes of FBI and Balls Mahoney arrive later.

And what a way to kick off ECW's first non-reunion PPV under the WWE banner! Raw's Jeff Hardy and SmackDown's Matt Hardy vs Raw's Johnny Nitro and SmackDown's Joey Mercury.

Hmmm.

[Blitz]

Does the building look full?

[addy2hotty]

Just scroll over to Sky Sports 3 and press the R button, you don't even have to change the channel.

Not enough room on the living room one, and I can't be arsed to go up and set it up on the bedroom one. Mainly as it would mean waking up my 2 year old daughter. Still, will read you guys' commentry up until Elimination Chamber....

[NeanderCarl]

Even though I'm not a fan of their rehashed angle, it would be sweet for VKM (formerly New Age Outlaws) to come out of the crowd and interfere in this match in some way.

I mean, I know it would have to be a shoot if they did that, and it won't happen, but at least it would stir things up a little.

[Tb1]

Now THAT'S extreme.

[NeanderCarl]

Does the building look full?

Well the hard camera side does, but then it's quite a small building anyway. Smaller than your average Raw/SmackDown venue, methinks, plus the stage is HUGE.

You think this makes Paul Heyman proud?

[NeanderCarl]

Random observation: Johnny Nitro could be the next generation Shawn Michaels, if he can work on his intangibles.

[Tb1]

Make a supergiganto stage to block off half the arena.

[ClockShot]

Yikes. I thought this was on in a few weeks.

[NeanderCarl]

I'm on about a 2min delay now (live pause ya see) so apologies for delay for anyone who may be following this thread for updates.

[NeanderCarl]

This match could have been a classic, but it's been pretty lacklustre so far in my opinion.

Crowd's been getting more into it though.

[NeanderCarl]

"She's a crack-whore" chants towards Melina! Guess Lita won't be missed that much after all.

WWE steered this ECW PPV away from the traditional ECW areas because of concerns about the crowd reactions. I just hope that this crowd takes it upon themselves to channel the spirit of the ECW Arena or the Hammerstein Ballroom, and start letting rip with the vulgar/creative chants anyway.

[Tb1]

I saw a picture. This arena looks Bound for Glory little. Hey, TNA sold more tickets for BFG than WWE did for D2D. That's somewhat enbarrassing.

[NeanderCarl]

Hardyz win with a double swanton bomb by Jeff onto both MNM members. Nearly 30 mins in length! Had to expect that on a 2 match card!!

Picked up steam at the end, not too bad overall.

[NeanderCarl]

They're showing an ECW.com Exclusive interview with RVD. Hardly "exclusive" then, is it??

Matt Striker comes out next, and he is up against Balls Mahoney.

[addy2hotty]

I just switched over from the pain of watching England play Cricket to see a man walking down to the ring wearing a pink jumper. Perhaps I won't bother downloading it after all.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Wow, when was the last time WWE had a 30 minute match?

[NeanderCarl]

And this match won't be Extreme Rules, but rather Extreme Enforcement Of Rules. No gouging, hair pulling, top rope moves (what, from Balls??) or foul language... apparently.

[NeanderCarl]

Hopefully this will be quick. Not painless, but at least quick.

Matt Striker has a photo of his face on the ass of his tights. Why?

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Matt Striker is the amazing, that's why.

[Tb1]

Matt Striker and Simon Dean should start tagging. That would rule.

[NeanderCarl]

Whose bright idea was it to book Balls Mahoney in a straight wrestling match at an ECW PPV?

Mahoney wins with a sit-down powerbomb.

[NeanderCarl]

Backstage, Sabu has been attacked. Heyman wants to know what happened. Looks like they're taking Sabu out of the match. Crowd is heavily chanting BULLSHIT.

[NeanderCarl]

Sylvester Terkay and Elijah Burke up next in a tag match versus F.B.I.

[Pedal]

So the Sabu being fired rumours sound a little more reliable now. Would be nice if there was a pay off to that angle other than 'Sabu has been fired and will soon join the VKM'.

[NeanderCarl]

What are the odds that we're getting Hardcore Holly in the main event now instead?

[addy2hotty]

Backstage, Sabu has been attacked. Heyman wants to know what happened. Looks like they're taking Sabu out of the match. Crowd is heavily chanting BULLSHIT.

LOL, looks like Sabu's career in WWECW is more than over. He really pissed the wrong people off.

[Pedal]

Meh, Holly's less spotty at least and adding an extra heel into the match makes the heel side stronger and somewhat more believable, but at this point I've got Lashley down as a heel too since he's just waltzed in and been booked into the main event whilst CM Punk is still getting the biggest star reaction.

[Testicle]

Looks like TNA for sabu

[Tb1]

Anyone know how Wikipedia's so rediculously quick? I was just browsing, and they already have current results, match times, etc. Pretty crazy.

[NeanderCarl]

Burke pins Mamaluke with a face-plant.

[Pedal]

Terkay busts out a pretty lame musclebuster that Joey names as such.

[NeanderCarl]

Sabu gets carted off in an ambulance.

Daivari and Khali on their way to the ring.

[NeanderCarl]

It's Daivari vs Tommy Dreamer

[NeanderCarl]

Referee barred Khali from ringside for interference. Might have gotten a bigger pop if they hadn't used that spot in abundance at Survivor Series last week.

Crowds chanting "Fuck him up, Dreamer".

[NeanderCarl]

Daivari reverses a DDT into a roll up for the tight-pulling victory.

[addy2hotty]

Daivari over Dreamer...jeez. Is this a 'destroy the ECW originals' show?

[NeanderCarl]

Khali back out with a double chokeslam to Tommy on the ramp after the match.

[Testicle]

have any of these matches been extreme rules?

[Rammsteinmad]

Sounds pretty meh at the moment.

What's up with Sabu then? Has he been fired for real or something?

[Pedal]

Nope, not so much as a chair shot so far. Although the double handed chokeslam looked pretty nasty I have to admit. Oh here's Hardcore Holly with Paul Heyman, I wonder what is going to come of that.

[NeanderCarl]

They play up Tommy as seriously injured, but he struggles to his feet, to chants of "ECW ECW".

A fucking commercial now for See No Evil. Wasn't that months ago? I've never seen a WWE Film production because I'm usually sick of them by the time they are released.

Heyman arrives at Hardcore Holly's locker room. Heyman announces Holly as Sabu's replacement. The crowd aren't happy.

[addy2hotty]

Show is going to retain tonight. I reckon.

[NeanderCarl]

Mike Knox with Kelly Kelly out next, and Kelly takes the mic and wishes C.M. Punk luck for the main event, leading to words between the two. Couldn't she have just done that backstage?

Next out are Kevin Thorn and Ariel, and it looks like a mixed tag team match up next.

[Pedal]

Next up the 'The only face in this match is Kelly Kelly' mixed tag match featuring the gothic alliance against Kelly and her manslave.

[NeanderCarl]

Show is going to retain tonight. I reckon.

You could be right. He is the one guy that virtually nobody is expecting to win due to his injuries. Therefore, the biggest surprise would be if he were to keep the gold.

[NeanderCarl]

Is this not Kelly Kelly's in-ring debut? She's a model, not a wrestler.

Knox is walking out on the match when Kelly is in trouble and looking for the tag.

Crowd heavily chanting for C.M. Punk.

[NeanderCarl]

Ariel pins Kelly and the vampire wannabes win it.

[NeanderCarl]

Attack continues after the match, and out comes the Sandman to make the save. Don't know what sense that makes, but Sandy gets a pop.

[Pedal]

Saaaaandman. Wow finally feels like ECW

[NeanderCarl]

Sandman gives Thorn a good caning, and sends him backstage. In the old ECW style, this would have led to a Sandman vs. ??? match, but instead Sandman just drinks a few beers and poses for the crowd.

[Pedal]

...Michael Cole PPV shilling...seriously.

[NeanderCarl]

An announcement now by Michael Cole, talking about the Armageddon PPV. What a hack. Crowd boos Cole and the wrestler graphics for the Armageddon matches.

[NeanderCarl]

Some hot airhead backstage interviews Bobby Lashley, who is soundly booed.

[NeanderCarl]

We're at the halfway mark, and this show has pretty much sucked, bar the average opener. Lashley sounds like a child during his interview.

[addy2hotty]

Is the chamber next???!?!?!?!?

[NeanderCarl]

Unless Punk or RVD win the belt, the crowd is NOT going home happy.

[Pedal]

Ohhh ok 1hr 30 of undercard clearly screams- main event time! It's cool this is free and all...but I find it hilarious that they had a dark match when the PPV has only had 5 matches anyways.

edit: I just realised the best bit of booking so far outside of the opener has been the ability to hide the hard camera side because it'll probably resemble a 1993 WCW event in terms of emptyness

[NeanderCarl]

It's looking like the main event is next. How are they going to fill 90mins with this match? I can see an early finish brewing. Just to add insult to injury.

[Pedal]

Good thing they've got an interview segment to fill up some time. Paul Heyman to be precise.

[addy2hotty]

Here comes Paul E, the pale shadow of himself that he is.

Love the ring announcer - 'representing ECW, Paul Heyman'..

Er...ain't this an ECW show?

[addy2hotty]

I'm guessing an impromptu tag match coming up...perhaps DX?

[NeanderCarl]

Why can't WWE understand that ECW fans want an ALTERNATIVE to Raw and SmackDown, not more of the same.

Heyman and his guards show up, and fans chant "You Sold Out". Heyman says when Hulk Hogan dies, Hulkamania dies with him. And when Ric Flair dies, the Whooos die too. But long after Heyman dies, ECW will continue to live on.

Planning on killing yourself tonight, are you Paul?

[Pedal]

Here comes Paul E, the pale shadow of himself that he is.

Love the ring announcer - 'representing ECW, Paul Heyman'..

Er...ain't this an ECW show?

You would have thought so...but erm, with ECW PPVs in the past even if the in-ring action was sometimes atrocious, at least there were high spots to keep it going and wacky moves all over the place. It bemuses me that they could book both One Night Stands quite well, but tonight so poorly. It's been dull, not bad, just incredibly dull and for anyone who's had to pay to see it I do not envy them.

[addy2hotty]

Man, talk about filler time.

After the little speech, perhaps Show won't retain. I just hope Bobby Lashing doesn't win, or CM 'please dont blow your load too soon with this guy' Punk doesn't.

[redoneja]

so did they announce the sixth man for the Chamber match?

[NeanderCarl]

I'm guessing they held off on the Extreme Rules and hardcore spots to make the Extreme Elimination Chamber seem more violent and special.

Still, this has been booked as a one-match card (seriously, who actually bought this PPV for the tag team match) so this match BETTER deliver, else ECW PPVs are doomed.

[Pedal]

Well I'm resigned to Lashley winning, but holding out for Punk...although maybe they feel building to a money match between him and the champ at the Rumble or Wrestlemania is a better idea. This is unpredictable at least, but it's also starting very early.

[addy2hotty]

so did they announce the sixth man for the Chamber match?

Yeah, Holly.

RVD and Test to start I reckon.

[NeanderCarl]

so did they announce the sixth man for the Chamber match?

Yeah, Thurman 'Sparky' Plugg. Bet you wished you bought it now, huh?

[Pedal]

Yeah, Thurman 'Sparky' Plugg. Bet you wished you bought it now, huh?

Vrooooooooom.

[addy2hotty]

Do the crowd even care about this match, even Punk didn't much of a pop.

[NeanderCarl]

Looks like RVD and Holly will kick it off.

[NeanderCarl]

The crowd have been killed off by the shitty booking.

They were hot for Punk earlier in the show, I think they're staging a silent protest.

Also, the fact that Holly is entering so late could mean Sabu will still show.

[addy2hotty]

May I ask the North Americans amongst us, how much was this PPV to buy?

[NeanderCarl]

RVD gets what you could describe as a polite reception, yet Styles claims it's a "thunderous ovation". Is J.R. feeding him lines again tonight?

[addy2hotty]

RVD gets what you could describe as a polite reception, yet Styles claims it's a "thunderous ovation". Is J.R. feeding him lines again tonight?

He's certainly learning from the guy. Had JR been feeding him lines, however, I would imagine that he would have said it was Orton, or DX rather than Rob Van Dam.

[NeanderCarl]

To be fair, I do like the Elimination Chamber concept, and the Weapons addition is inspired considering there are no weapons involved until somebody emerges with one.

This match COULD end up saving the show. It had more of a fighting chance with Sabu than with Sparky, though.

[addy2hotty]

Was that a muted 'boring' chant I just heard? My word, what a disaster this show must seem to Vince and the like, I wonder if we'll see another ECW PPV before next years ONS?

[Pedal]

Or called Lashley a hoss

[redoneja]

May I ask the North Americans amongst us, how much was this PPV to buy?

$40 American. I don't really know anyone that bought it though.

[NeanderCarl]

The 1st man to leave their pod is...........

C.M. Punk, with a steel chair.

[Pedal]

Repeating the old Jerry Lynn spot with the legdrop to the chair. Nice.

[NeanderCarl]

Crowd are split between Punk and RVD, it seems. Duelling chants.

[addy2hotty]

One thing about Tazz as a commentator, is he certainly knows how to sell a fuck-up in the ring.....just like then.

[NeanderCarl]

I just have a feeling that Punk and RVD are going to be hard done by in this match by the un-creative team.

[Pedal]

Well so far Punk's bumps are carrying the match, which isn't usually a sign or winning or staring at the lights...but it shows his talent once again.

[NeanderCarl]

Hmmm.... Rob Van Dam vs C. M. Punk at WrestleMania???

Next out is.....

Test, with a crowbar.

[addy2hotty]

If that crobar had been sharp, that would have been sick....

[Pedal]

Fuck you ECW. Fuck you.

[NeanderCarl]

C.M. Punk eliminated by Rob Van Dam and the 5-Star frog splash.

[addy2hotty]

Punk out first, after an RVD frog splash. Would never have called that in a million years.

Ref fuck up, not counting 3 on Holly, but he seems to be eliminated anyway. Commentators not addressing the situation.

[Blitz]

Wait, are you telling me Punk was eliminated first?

[NeanderCarl]

Rob Van Dam eliminated by Test and a flying elbow.

[addy2hotty]

Test eliminates RVD, Test on his own in the ring. Don't really know what the fuck is going on. The time has disappeared from the screen.

[KingofOldSchool]

C.M. Punk eliminated by Rob Van Dam and the 5-Star frog splash.

:|

[Pedal]

Seriously what has that accomplished? RVD's gone as well, so now the complete opposite of over in Bobby Lashley is winning the title. Congratulations booking team, this absolutely sucks.

[addy2hotty]

Gee, I wonder whos coming out next.

[Blitz]

Wow the 2 most popular guys in the match out first. Love that WWE booking.

[Blitz]

You should all know that if Test wins this I will firebomb Titan Towers.

[NeanderCarl]

Next out of the pod is....

Lashley, to a chorus of boos, but the referee has been taken out by the Security Guards and there is nobody to release Lashley from his pod.

[KingofOldSchool]

Wow the 2 most popular guys in the WWE out first. Love that WWE booking.

[addy2hotty]

Lashley supposedly out next, but the door is locked shut by the Bashams. Lashley trying to bash his way out.

[Blitz]

Pretty glad I didn't go see this like I was planning. Even $10 would have been too much to pay.

[KingofOldSchool]

Lashley supposedly out next, but the door is locked shut by the Bashams. Lashley trying to bash his way out.

BASH THE BASHAMS.

[NeanderCarl]

Lashley "snaps" the chains on the roof of his pod and climbs out. Yeah, okay.

The crowd are really NOT amused with the treatment of RVD and Punk, the only two popular guys in this match.

[addy2hotty]

Holly was eliminated by a 2-count from the ref. By the way. Earlier. before RVD went.

[addy2hotty]

Test is victim to the obligitory 'thrown through the pod glass' move.

[NeanderCarl]

Hang on... when did Hardcore Holly get eliminated??

[KingofOldSchool]

Holly was eliminated by a 2-count from the ref. By the way. Earlier. before RVD went.

SCREWJOB!

HOLLY SCREWED HOLLY.

[Testicle]

Test had better win or I'm gonna shit

[NeanderCarl]

I just have a feeling that Punk and RVD are going to be hard done by in this match by the un-creative team.

Told you.

[Yashamaga]

Jesus.

Not buying this PPV was one of the smartest things I've ever done.

Hopefully either Test or Show win.

[NeanderCarl]

Test eliminated by a Lashley spear.

[Pedal]

Yay they're goldberging Lashley, how original. I can't state how excited I am that they eliminated three people around 10-12 minutes in, because the PPV had been running out of time previously.

Lashley pins Test, botched spear.

[addy2hotty]

Hang on... when did Hardcore Holly get eliminated??

Test pinned Holly, the ref counted 2, came down for the 3 but anticipating a kick out, didn't count it. Holly's shoulders were down anyway, Tazz shouted 'what the hell happened', Holly then rolled out of the ring and chamber.

[redoneja]

Wow. So ab 50 min left in the show and the only ones left in the match are Show, Lashley, and Test? I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

[NeanderCarl]

I kind of assumed that guys would keep coming in, and nobody would be eliminated until all 6 were in the ring. Guess I was totally wrong. We're down to the last two men, and there SHOULD be 50 mins to go, yet.

[KingofOldSchool]

Lashley pins Test, botched spear.

LOL

How can you botch a spear?

It's basically a hard tackle.

The only ones I know who botch those are the Colts defense.

[redoneja]

nevermind its down to Show and Lashley.

[Tb1]

You should all know that if Test wins this I will firebomb Titan Towers.

We'll blow it up together.

[Testicle]

Fuck you WWE, Test would make more sense than lashely

[NeanderCarl]

Show enters, with a Foley Baseball Bat (covered in barbed wire). I have to predict an unadvertised match or angle to take place after this match, because these guys ain't goin 40/50 mins.

[addy2hotty]

Lashley getting booed. Fucking funny.

[Pedal]

LOL

How can you botch a spear?

It's basically a hard tackle.

The only ones I know who botch those are the Colts defense.

It basically looked like he was hugging him and they fell over and the crowd erupted in a chant of...oh wait.

[NeanderCarl]

Maybe Show retains, then out comes Sabu to challenge him in a singles and take the belt? Or even a Lashley win, and a Sabu heel turn?

[KingofOldSchool]

Show enters, with a Foley Baseball Bat (covered in barbed wire). I have to predict an unadvertised match or angle to take place after this match, because these guys ain't goin 40/50 mins.

I could only imagine if they did, that'd be funny.

[Tb1]

nevermind its down to Show and Lashley.

I really hope Show retains. Lesser of the 2 evils

[addy2hotty]

Two large men currently throwing punches. Exciting stuff.

[Pedal]

I know people are hoping for post-match angles...but I actually think they're just going to wrap this in around 5 minutes then wave goodbye.

[NeanderCarl]

Lashley pins the Show with a Spear, new champ.

[addy2hotty]

Lashley pins Show after a 'spear' to win the ECW title.

[Pedal]

Ok Lashley wins, spear. I was 4 minutes too generous.

[Blitz]

If the last 2 had been Punk and RVD and they had to go 40 minutes, this show might have been worth seeing.

[addy2hotty]

The crowd didn't react much, they still aren't, andin the immortal words of a Commodore 64 boxing game 'are leaving'.

[NeanderCarl]

If this PPV ends in 2hrs15mins, I'd be furious as a paying customer. (Which I'm not, but if I were....)

[Blitz]

LOL so the main event is over with at least a half hour left.

[diothoir]

I assume Joey screaming "It's over, it's over, it's over" refers to the PPV as well as the match.

[NeanderCarl]

That's.... it???

[addy2hotty]

Even Lashley doesn't seem to care much. He doesn't appear particularly happy. Firework display and the show is over. Shocking.

[KingofOldSchool]

If this PPV ends in 2hrs15mins, I'd be furious as a paying customer. (Which I'm not, but if I were....)

I'm upset over the PPV and I didn't even pay.

[NeanderCarl]

I assume Joey screaming "It's over, it's over, it's over" refers to the PPV as well as the match.

No, he's referring to ECW.

[Testicle]

No, he's referring to ECW.

you ain't kidding

[Blitz]

Wow that sounds like a god-awful PPV. Glad I didn't order :y:

[Linkbowler]

I assume Joey screaming "It's over, it's over, it's over" refers to ECW as well as the match.

Fixed.

[diothoir]

LOL at Sky Sports saying "temporary fault".

Where to start with that.

[ron the dial]

My only reason for ordering the PPV was eliminated first. Good thing I didn't order what sounds like a real piece of shit.

[Tb1]

What a train wreck. Good-bye, WWECW

[addy2hotty]

I mean it wasn't even anything special to win the match, just a take-down masquerading as a spear. So much for the undefeatable monster Show.

[Savio]

:lol: sandman doesn't even get a match and he's on the poster.

[addy2hotty]

LOL at Sky Sports saying "temporary fault".

Where to start with that.

Obviously they are as surprised as the rest of us at the duration. Only now would an edition of Robot Wars cheer me up ;)

[Pedal]

I like the gut reaction that this is the worst pay per view event in quite some time. If they didn't have enough talent for an event of this size then they shouldn't have bothered because this was appalling. The tag opener was good, I enjoyed it, the rest of trash and the main event was such a huge insult to the fans it was unreal. We all just saw them attempt to bury Punk...watch out for the conspiracy theories following him overshadowing DX.

[diothoir]

Fuck it, more time to watch Broncos-Seahawks on Channel 5.

Cheer me up, Mike Carlson.

[KingofOldSchool]

I am now going to refer to Lashley's "spear" as the "Hug of Extreme Discomfort."

[NeanderCarl]

I've been watching wrestling for 15 years +, I've sat through some awful shows as well as some awesome ones... ECW December To Dismember has to be Top 10 on my Worst Shows Of All-Time list.

Any long time UK fans might know what I'm talking about when I say that ranks right up there with WWF No Mercy in Manchester, 1999.

[addy2hotty]

We all just saw them attempt to bury Punk...watch out for the conspiracy theories following him overshadowing DX.

I called that the day after SS. Punk has got absolutely nothing out of this match. Not even a possible feud to run with. Back to Mike 'was he in the match?' Knox for you Mr Pepsi.

[Fenix122]

well this makes me glad i don't order PPV's anymore

[Gerard]

LOL fucking pathetic, this seemed more like a half assed smackdown ppv than an ecw ppv. I really think wwe need to go back to having just 4 ppv's ayear, this monthly shit is just getting worse and worse, all the ppv's boil down to these days is a raw or smackdown show with different banners and set designs, theres absoloutely fuck all special about them anymore.

And that elimination chamber match was easily the worst one yet, about 15 mins into it and three people are already eliminated? WTF? Had the crowd shouting bullshit at sabu's "injury" backstage and they were shouting it again during the chamber match. :foc:

[Pedal]

I've been watching wrestling for 15 years +, I've sat through some awful shows as well as some awesome ones... ECW December To Dismember has to be Top 10 on my Worst Shows Of All-Time list.

Any long time UK fans might know what I'm talking about when I say that ranks right up there with WWF No Mercy in Manchester, 1999.

At least Austin won the main event in that and the crowd popped. Tonight was possibly on par with Great American Bash 1991.

[KingofOldSchool]

Well RVD's contract is up in 6 months...

[addy2hotty]

I've been watching wrestling for 15 years +, I've sat through some awful shows as well as some awesome ones... ECW December To Dismember has to be Top 10 on my Worst Shows Of All-Time list.

Any long time UK fans might know what I'm talking about when I say that ranks right up there with WWF No Mercy in Manchester, 1999.

You aren't wrong Carl, I remember them really bigging up No Mercy, and being completely and utterly gutted that I spent money on it.

I can see, in the UKs case, why the WWE didn't ask Sky to put it on PPV. They had no intention of putting on a decent show. At all. I only watched the 2nd half of it, but from Carls commentary on the first half, the only match of note was between Raw & SD 'reformed for a night' tag teams.

I just wonder how much longer ECW can survive. I don't think any ECW wrestler came out of this event looking any more over or having put on any sort of performance. If Lashley had come out first, and ended the match covered in his own blood holding the ECW title, you could even say that may have been iconic, especially of ECW. But he ended up with fireworks going off behind him and not looking like he broke a sweat.

Terrible, I feel for people who shelled out hard-earned on this.

[NeanderCarl]

It's taught me a lesson, though. I might have paid for this if it had been PPV in the UK.

Now, I'll think verrrrry carefully before buying a future ECW show on PPV.

[Testicle]

I can't believe how bad these last two WWE PPVs have been

DAMN

[Mr. Nerfect]

The WWE are making it fucking hard for themselves. Hmm, let's see, we have the uber-over CM Punk, who out-popped our hardest pushed babyfaces, and merchandise movers, at his first interpromotional PPV, when he's on quite the low-rated cable show. So what does the WWE do? Job him out first. That was fucking stupid. Holly should have gone before Punk, at the very least, just to cushion the blow.

I guess I was wrong about Triple H actually liking Punk, and when he made those comments about Punk not being able to control a crowd, he wasn't being sarcastic. Because everything was done to destroy CM Punk's heat here tonight.

Even Test's sick-ass Flying Elbow wasn't enough to save that booking abomination. I hate to turn on Paul Heyman like this, because I also believe Lashley could be a huge star, but he was people's third preference to win the Elimination Chamber. You could make cases with either CM Punk or Rob Van Dam being the most over guy in the match, but Lashley is nowhere near them. He's not established enough. Sure, Punk has only been in the WWE five months, but he's got the win-loss record and following to thrive as ECW Champion.

The WWE fucked it up in the last Elimination Chamber, too. The final three were John Cena, Carlito and Chris Masters. People wanted to see Kurt Angle win it, or maybe even Kane. If I remember correctly, Shawn Michaels was in this match. Either of those three men would have been acceptable. Who was eliminated first? You betcha! Just so they can make Cena look like Superman.

We don't need Lashley looking like Superman as well. Three Supermen World Champs. Yay. All I can say is the WWE is making it hard for themselves. Sure, maybe the WWE is trying to attract a mainstream crowd, but using guys that the fans don't give a shit about (no offence to Lashley, but did you hear his reaction tonight?), and making them seem like the next big thing, when at this stage of their career, they are clearly not, is a HUGE mistake.

I was happy with my PPV purchase until CM Punk was eliminated. The opening tag team match was FANTASTIC. Matt Striker is a great wrestler, with so much potential and personality. Balls Mahoney was over, too. Daivari and Dreamer didn't put on an atrocity, nor did Kevin Thorn and Mike Knox. I liked the booking of that one, too. Everything was fine until the main event.

I seriously think CM Punk needs to go to SmackDown! after this. He needs to go work some matches with William Regal and Finlay, and get some heat back. This has left him dead in the water. Test is the guy who looked best in the Chamber, tonight, and he was pinned by Lashley rather easily. You can't exactly use him as a World Title contender. Truth be told, there is no one. They need to fold this new ECW immediately.

[addy2hotty]

It's taught me a lesson, though. I might have paid for this if it had been PPV in the UK.

Now, I'll think verrrrry carefully before buying a future ECW show on PPV.

I haven't paid for a WWE PPV for years, and tbh, I can't say - seeing the results during that time, that I missed particularly much.

I don't mind dl'ing them, and avoiding the spoilers for a day or two.

BUT, I will stay up and watch Raw tomorrow night if the girlfriend lets me. Just in case (something wonderful happens).

[Pedal]

The booking was just so backwards...they completely buried RVD and Punk in 10 minutes to Test who then got mauled easily by Lashley, who then easily beat the Big Show. I know the idea is to put over Lashley...but he has no personality, is sloppy in the ring, has a laughable finisher and represents nothing that ECW should stand for. Like you I'm so glad this one was free because I would have paid for it in the belief that they'd pull it off. They didn't, I won't consider paying for anything until I read the results from now on.

[addy2hotty]

I think you said it right Alienoid, 3 superman world champs who probably won't drop their titles until Mania at the earliest. All the major champs are faces. No-one chasing anything. Nothing and no-one to root for.

Question is, is there any point in watching any WWE programming til the Rumble?

[Testicle]

Test is the most believable and most legitamate heel in the biz,

They need the title on him as soon as possible,

Have Test loss to punk at Mania, instant classic

[Blitz]

Test4champ, you are bonkers.

[Mr. Nerfect]

See, I was a sucker, and bought Survivor Series as well. SS got a grading of C- from me. It wasn't dreadful, and I wasn't too pissed off I had spent money on it. But I wasn't satisfied, either. December to Dismember gets a D+ from me. It was OK, with potential to be good, until CM Punk was eliminated, and then all hope was lost when RVD went in that amazing spot. It really says something about the booking when a great match, some great spots, and Paul Heyman cannot make a PPV pass.

Rob Van Dam wants out, and I don't blame him. TNA for him, and God bless him for that. At least when you order a TNA PPV, you know you are getting a B-quality show, in match quality alone. Sabu will probably be gone soon, too. He could do some good shit with Abyss and RVD in TNA.

If I were CM Punk, I'd not be re-signing with the WWE, either. Sure, it may be where the money is, it may be where the fame is, but TNA is swelling up, slowly and steadily. Go there, be used correctly (they know what he is capable of this time), and help sink the WWE, because it obviously wants to be sank.

This ECW project is dead. It's got nowhere to go. Lashley could turn heel this week, reveal he is the greatest wrestler ever, with the most charisma ever, and he'd still have no one to face him. Oh wait, Balls Mahoney. Then there's no one else to face him. Balls fucking Mahoney is the best challenger for Bobby Lashley. Followed closely by The Sandman. Fuck this shit.

I'm going to order Armageddon, too. I've always intended on ordering Armageddon. As a rule of thumb, I always order shows with Paul London & Brian Kendrick on them. Why? Because they fucking deliver. Even though The Undertaker will likely shit up the place, and as much as I hate to say it Kane/MVP won't help, nor will the main event, even though it has two of my favourites in it, I just can't help but feel like London, Kendrick, Helms, Regal, Taylor and Yang deserve my money.

But because the WWE has let me down with the past two shows, I'm probably going to skip-out on New Year's Revolution and the Royal Rumble. Yes, I'm going to miss the Rumble. You know The Undertaker is going to win, or some other lame-ass shit.

[Pedal]

Test4champ, you are bonkers.

It's that or Lashley vs Monty Brown or Khali by the looks of things at the moment!

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think you said it right Alienoid, 3 superman world champs who probably won't drop their titles until Mania at the earliest. All the major champs are faces. No-one chasing anything. Nothing and no-one to root for.

Question is, is there any point in watching any WWE programming til the Rumble?

More importantly, who is going to win the Rumble? The next time a World Championship is defended on PPV is when John Cena faces Umaga. They can't possibly go with Umaga vs. John Cena as the main event of WrestleMania, can they?

They've booked themselves into a wall. They're going to need to go face vs. face, which means Batista vs. The Undertaker will likely happen. Oh, joy of joys.

They should just fold ECW, turn the Rumble into a unification match, and let Heyman book until WrestleMania, so hopefully it can be saved.

[NeanderCarl]

Test is the most believable and most legitamate heel in the biz,

They need the title on him as soon as possible,

Have Test loss to punk at Mania, instant classic

I don't agree with the first line, but I think you could be right about the rest (except for "instant classic")

[Testicle]

Test4champ, you are bonkers.

I am just emotional after the worst booked show ever

[KingofOldSchool]

If I were CM Punk, I'd not be re-signing with the WWE, either. Sure, it may be where the money is, it may be where the fame is, but TNA is swelling up, slowly and steadily. Go there, be used correctly (they know what he is capable of this time), and help sink the WWE, because it obviously wants to be sank.



Yeah the last time he was there, they booked him worse than what the WWE is doing right now.

He and RVD should say FU to TNA and WWE and goto (well go back to, in Punk's case) ROH.

[Testicle]

I don't agree with the first line, but I think you could be right about the rest (except for "instant classic")

Test vs. Punk would be better than anything else they could put out

[NeanderCarl]

Damn right they should let Heyman book, but they should let him book ECW, not fold it just yet. It's still salvagable, away from Stephanie's crayons.

[NeanderCarl]

Test vs. Punk would be better than anything else they could put out

Other than Rob Van Dam vs C.M. Punk, but that won't happen.

Anyway, as much as I think they should run with Punk, we're probably more likely to get Test vs Lashley or something equally inane at WrestleMania, with Punk buried in the dark match battle royal. He's going the way of Carlito.

[Savio]

Test vs. Punk would be better than anything else they could put outRVD vs Punk?

[Splaya]

Alienoid, you're dead on. This new ECW needs to go.

Van Dam needs to go to TNA. In a way, he hurt himself with the drugs. But he can be used in so many different ways, especially with the possibilities of him and Styles, Daniels, Abyss, Sabu, Angle, Christian, Rhyno. IF TNA were smart, and RVD and Sabu land in their lap, start a new division in TNA. Maybe name it the Extreme Hardcore Wrestling title or something to that effect. Maybe even copyright the Hardcore title or something.

Lashley is not a draw. I do not understand why people are always all over his nuts. I could really see Monty Brown vs Lashley taking place now.

I will be going to Buffalo Wild wings to watch the next 3 PPV's. But mark my words, the next 3 PPV's are do or die for the WWE.

[Savio]

MAKE OR BREAK!

[NeanderCarl]

I will be going to Buffalo Wild wings to watch the next 3 PPV's. But mark my words, the next 3 PPV's are do or die for the WWE.

Well, I always thought the Royal Rumble is impossible to fuck up, but after watching them kill off both the Survivor Series and Elimination Chamber concepts in two consecutive PPVs I'm seriously worried about the Rumble. They'll prob make it a 10 man match, with 30 seconds between entrants, and have Kevin Federline win it, the way things are going.

[Splaya]

They are not that stupid

[NeanderCarl]

They are not that stupid

:wtf:

[Savio]

Wrestle Mania 23



Where it all begins again...



3 hour Ironman Match



Federline vs Arquette

[Anybody Thrilla]

How much did this PPV cost? I only got to see the Elimination Chamber at a friend's house after work, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't much longer than 2 hours, was it?

[NeanderCarl]

How much did this PPV cost?

Thousands of fans, thousands of future PPV buyrates, C.M. Punk's push, the Elimination Chamber aura, Lashley's credibility and an entire brand down the toilet.

So quite a lot.

Oh, you mean....

[Blitz]

$40 american Thrilla.

[NeanderCarl]

Somebody (I forget who) earlier in the thread said it cost the standard $40, and it lasted (if TPWW Time is accurate) 2 hours and 13 mins.

[Blitz]

And all that stuff NeanderCarl mentioned.

[Splaya]

Glad I didnt even go waste my money at Buffalo Wild Wings

[Anybody Thrilla]

That's fucked up. They used to have In Your House for 2 hours and it was only 15 bucks. Some of those were actually decent, too.

I think some of you may be overreacting about this being the end of CM Punk's push, though.

[NeanderCarl]

Do you think Paul Heyman actually believes in ANYTHING he is saying in this interview??

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/specialty_clips/3199666/3374572/3778464/120306heyman?section=/

[Blitz]

On the plus side isn't this like the first PPV thread in a long time to go over like 3 pages?

Granted, for all the wrong reasons, but stil...

[NeanderCarl]

I reckon the tears are real though. It's probably just sunk in what ECW has now become.

[The Show Off]

I genrally try to be optiomistic, but it's getting really fucking hard.

From what it sounds like, that must have been like watching a gang rape... Sure there was a lot going on but after it's done you just can't look at yourself in the mirror.

That's right...

Gang Rape > December 2 Dismember

[Testicle]

RVD vs Punk?

Obviously that would be better, but that will never happen

at least not untill punk goes heel, and I believe that won't happen till he wins the big one

[Vastardikai]

^

Hey, I can add a few things to this, for once. As I am from this area, and I was at the event. $21 for my ticket.

1. The crowd was pretty full, believe it or not.
2. Rene-Stevie wasn't bad.
3. Hardy's-MNM was the best match of the night.
4. I tried to hold up a TPWW.Net sign, as well as Vastardikai is here.
5. If you saw a guy in a red Dickie's Workshirt in the crowd after the Balls-Striker match, that was me.
6. Terkay is a fucking beast.
7. Someone asked if all Khali was gonna do was stand there. I said that's the only thing he could do without fucking up.
8. During the Mike Knox & Kelly Kelly vs. Ariel & Kevin Thorne, I held up two main signs: "Spoiler: Mike Knox sucks!" and "Send Kelly to the Discoteque" (local strip club.) A 6 year old girl who was into Punk and Kelly asked me what the last word was, I wisely said "Don't worry about it, honey."
8. Ariel's thong was visible for most of the match, as she'd jump on the top rope and lean over the top rope. *yummy* Sandman coming out was worth it. I held up a sign that read "I'd buy Sandman a Beer, but it's Sunday" (Blue Laws in Augusta.)
9. The crowd was behind both RVD and Punk, their eliminations killed the crowd.
10. I was situated behind Big Show's Pod. I didn't know where the fuck Holly went. I also called that Lashley was gonna win and the Big Show would be the last man in. I held up a "Lashley fears New Jack" sign.
11. I tried to start a "I got Ripped Off" chant, but to no avail.
12. As Big Show went up the ramp, he did get cheered.

I enjoyed myself, and I had never been to a WWE event before this, so it was ok. But yeah, it was too fucking short, and I did feel ripped off.

[The One]

This sounds like one of the worst events in human history. And I'm not talking about entertainment events, I'm saying this might have been one of the worst things to happen in the entire history that man has romed this planet.

God I love being so negative that I stretch things to unreasonable places. It makes me feel a little better in a smug way. :D

[Vastardikai]

^ It made the Hindenburg Disaster feel like a circle jerk.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Considering things like 9/11, the holocaust, Columbine, and Carrot Top, I hardly think that's an accurate assesment.

[The One]

I bet those 9 million Jews from the Holocaust feel lucky they didn't live to see this day.

[The Show Off]

This sounds like one of the worst events in human history. And I'm not talking about entertainment events, I'm saying this might have been one of the worst things to happen in the entire history that man has romed this planet.

God I love being so negative that I stretch things to unreasonable places. It makes me feel a little better in a smug way. :D

It was the worst thing to be on my television since a little show called Living Single.

[The One]

Considering things like 9/11, the holocaust, Columbine, and Carrot Top, I hardly think that's an accurate assesment.

You know, you shouldn't make light of things like Carrot Top. I mean that is some heavy shit, the rest was all good and light hearted humor, but I think you went too far with that one.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Sinclair was hilarious, you take that back!

[Anybody Thrilla]

You know, you shouldn't make light of things like Carrot Top. I mean that is some heavy shit, the rest was all good and light hearted humor, but I think you went too far with that one.

I'm sorry. I was just making an EXTREME comment to fit the ECW theme of the thread.

[The One]

I am expecting a formal Raven appology.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I didn't know that the acts perpetuated tonight would offend so many people...or something.

[The One]

Yeah, now throw in some big fancy words, state that you did without anyone in TPWW knowing, and then in a few years do a shoot interview talking about how we were all in Carrot Top joke.

[PullMyFinger]

I'd rank this as worse than the Holocaust. That's just me though.

[Tb1]

Do you think Paul Heyman actually believes in ANYTHING he is saying in this interview??

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/specialty_clips/3199666/3374572/3778464/120306heyman?section=/

Dammit, I love Paul. If only the story wasn't so aweful

[Vastardikai]

I'd rank this as worse than the Holocaust. That's just me though.

Shit, I don't think the Bush Administration would allow this to be shown to Suspected Terrorists. I mean, there's Torture, but this was fucking murder.

[PullMyFinger]

Shit, I don't think the Bush Administration would allow this to be shown to Suspected Terrorists. I mean, there's Torture, but this was fucking murder.
Seriously, I should go to Afghanistan and put this PPV all over the Southern regions of the country and drive the Taliban so mad that they end up committing suicide or running back across the Tribal border.

[Innovator]

-They announce two matches and pull a bait n switch with the main event.

-The only star this new brand has made gets jobbed out first, treated like a joke.

-One hoss to another hoss

-If they wanted to kill off everything ECW, hell to even kill off the brand, good job they did it.

[Vastardikai]

I think Vince DELIBERATELY booked this PPV to fail, in all honesty.

[Innovator]

I wish Natural Born Killaz would hit, then New Jack would unload a clip into WWE creative

[The Show Off]

Well it could have been worse the orignal plan was to have The Sandman come out dressed like santa with a candy cane and start caning people with tha candy cane and then offically change his name to The Sandman Clause.

Then after that they were going to bring back Jerry Lynn back and put him in a match with Rob Van Dam, a bra and panties match.

So it could have been worse...

Then again any type of Van Dam/Lynn match would have been better.

[Skippord]

More importantly, who is going to win the Rumble? The next time a World Championship is defended on PPV is when John Cena faces Umaga. They can't possibly go with Umaga vs. John Cena as the main event of WrestleMania, can they?


I would seriously stop watching WWE.

And with Chris "Pigpen" Sabin in TNA...:shifty:

[Lara Emily]

I got paid to watch this at the theatre I work at and I still felt ripped off lmao.

Just terrible.

It's a bad sign when you best match involved 4 guys who aren't on your roster

[Lock Jaw]

http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/shows1/decembertodismember/photos/reg5.jpg
POOOOOUUUUUUUUUNCE!!!!!

(How small does Lashley look there compared to Show?)

[Dave Youell]

I along with Alienoid am usually optomistic about alot of what is put on TV, last night I was up cos I couldn't sleep and watched the worst PPV since the great american bash 04 (maybe 03? the one where JBL won the title over Eddie).

The opener was the best match by far.

I really didn't give a shit about any other matches till the main event, and they booked that in such a way that you felt you had to cheer for Lashley. But myself and the ECW fans didn't buy it, dear god that whole thing sucked

[addy2hotty]

Lashley is a willing product of the WWE's 'doesnt matter how good they are in the ring, or on the mic because they are big' school of wrestling.

The fans booed him last night, your new face ECW champ got booed. I mean, the guy isn't even particularly marketable as a face, or a heel.

Little Voice will never be over as a face, simply as he's not even as good as Batista, and the fans just don't like him, and he won't ever be a good heel - unless he has someone doing the talking for him.

[Mercury Bullet]

The only explanation for this is it was set up to fail. The WWE has put out a TON of crap lately, and though I didn't order it, it sounds like the worst PPV EVER, not just of recent memory. The bookers and writers HAD to know this was going to be awful and just didn't care, or were instructed to make it awful by the powers that be.

So now on WWE programming we have TWO, count em TWO, face WORLD champs that are going to be booed by a large portion of the audience.

And on top of that, it looks like the one glimmer of hope, CM Punk, has begun the phasing out process. Which figures, since not so long ago was out-popping DX at a PPV.

Is the WWE trying to FORCE people to stop watching and switch to TNA? Or just stop watching wrestling all together?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Mercury Bullet, that is a terrible theory. Plus, you didn't even see it. I wouldn't take the word of everybody around here. We're much too cynical.

[Splaya]

I didn't see it, but I dont think I needed to. I've been a fan of CM Punk for a long time (I think Innovator introduced me to some of his matches). The way he was treated in this match is awful and WWE should be ashamed of themselves. Whether a brand is failing or not, you don't destroy the one star you've been putting over left and right. You move him to another show.

[St. Jimmy]

I didn't even know this was on last night, tbh. Wow. Terrible. Atleast Lashley won his second mid-card title.

[Londoner]

I tried to watch this but straight away seeing four wrestlers who aren't even on the roster compete in the first match of an ECW ppv disgusted me. Also Sabu being chucked out of the match was a fucking joke, he could've made that match. You don't sell a PPV like that and then throw one of your main eventers out at the last minute. You just don't, unless you want to kill the company.

And whats up with them eliminating both RVD and cm punk? Lashley shouldn't be allowed to walk right in and just take the title, now the whole roster looks worse than it already did. Also that match was well overhyped, the sooner Vince retires the better I think.

And one more thing, ECW PPV's shouldn't be made to look like WWE PPV's, it made me feel sick when i saw the stage set up like it was.

[Sadistic]

I've been watching WWE PPVs since 1992 and I feel I've seen many bad ones, but I have to say that this tops the list.

I am honestly saying right now that this is the worst PPV WWE have ever put out. Not one part of this is worth watching. Not one fucking part.

[The Naitch]

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5807/3781816dy6.jpg
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5807/3781816dy6.jpg
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5807/3781816dy6.jpg
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5807/3781816dy6.jpg
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5807/3781816dy6.jpg
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5807/3781816dy6.jpg
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5807/3781816dy6.jpg
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5807/3781816dy6.jpg
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5807/3781816dy6.jpg
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5807/3781816dy6.jpg
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5807/3781816dy6.jpg
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5807/3781816dy6.jpg
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5807/3781816dy6.jpg
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5807/3781816dy6.jpg
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5807/3781816dy6.jpg
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5807/3781816dy6.jpg
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5807/3781816dy6.jpg
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5807/3781816dy6.jpg
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5807/3781816dy6.jpg
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5807/3781816dy6.jpg