TNA is better than WWE AT THIS MOMENT

[Fignuts]

I don't know how anyone can look at the two companies and find WWE more enjoyable at this point. Not saying TNA is fantastic or anything, cause its not. Still a lot of work to go, but it's at least better than the drivel on wwe week in and week out for the last few months.

3 things I think make this promotion better.

X-division: Obvious one, and this is gonna cause dissagreement with some. Although wwe has done better with their cruiserweight division lately, the bottom line is that TNA respects their cruiserweights a lot more than wwe. And obviously thats gonna make for a better cruiserweight division. Whereas TNA lets their guys go for 20-30 minutes, you're extremely lucky to get 15 out of the smackdown CW.

Tag Division: I think it gets overlooked how good TNA's tag division has been over the years. And lately its been better than ever. There really is no competition in this category, as wwe's tag division has been nonexistent.

Mid-card fueds: WWE's main event fueds are USUALLY better booked than TNA's. But the booking of wwe's midcard has been shit. Fueds are thrown out the window with no explanation. Guys are thrown together in a series of matches for no other reason than to filler. TNA takes the time to at least attempt to make decent storylines, and build up for their midcard fueds.

Thoughts?
Counterpoints?
Ice cream?

[The One]

TNA has Nash...WWE has JBL. I'm so confused. So conflicted.

[Fignuts]

TNA also has Billy Gunn.

[The One]

It's a deal!

TNA > WWE

[Jeritron]

Perhaps TNA is better than any one of the WWE brands. However, if WWE wised up and put them back together, things would be different.

[PullMyFinger]

TNA is better than WWE right now...even if TNA has a ton of problems...its still far more interesting.

[The One]

Nash's TNA promos last about 5 minutes, so I guess that's about 5 more minutes of entertainment than I am getting from WWE right now. :-/

[Fignuts]

They have too many wrestlers to merge. Unless they did mass firings. Even then, they'd probably cut everyone who has talent.

[PullMyFinger]

lol I wonder if Nash's PCS will have controversy like the BCS.

[PullMyFinger]

They have too many wrestlers to merge. Unless they did mass firings. Even then, they'd probably cut everyone who has talent.
Maybe that's the problem. They're three brands producing shite programming with a bunch of crap wrestlers.

Cut the fat, keep the good wrestlers, and make it one brand again.

[The Naitch]

judging by the shit that was December to remember, I'd say that TNA has some sort of fighting chance

[Jeritron]

You're deriving that assumption that they have a chance from a WWECW ppv though. Its the shortest, lowest rated of the companys 3 shows and is clearly the C-show. It doesnt reflect the whole company neccesarily. They're only as good as their A-show, which is eons behind Raw in ratings and following.

[Fignuts]

Maybe that's the problem. They're three brands producing shite programming with a bunch of crap wrestlers.

Cut the fat, keep the good wrestlers, and make it one brand again.

Yeah that's kind of the problem. WWE hasn't been very good at cutting the fat, the past few years. And lately, there is a lot of fat to cut.

[Jeritron]

Another thing is its not neccesarily about the better product. Marks are marks and will keep watching it all regardless. Its all about luring in new viewers and mainstream existence. Whats TNA gonna do? They have a long way to go. Even if they were offering up wrestling classics every week, its not gonna make them the top dog. People aren't lured in by great matches, they're lured in by great characters, storylines and hype. Everyone at some point or another started watching wrestling because of Hogan, or Austin, or Rock or whoever and that only worked because of the overall production value.
Some guy could cut the best promos ever and wrestle 5 stars everynight and its not gonna matter if hes coming out in plastic jackets through a tube with a fog machine and a disco ball at a backlot in orlando.
People need to be drawn in by something that seems like a big deal, and then the quality can keep them watching. I think everyone here would be lying if they said they started watching wrestling to see good timing and no rest holds. People evolve as wrestling fans and turn into smarks but its still a minority.
Even if TNA is putting a product that is a million times better, they need to create a bang, get a makeover, and then run with it.

[The Naitch]

raw and sd are crap too btw

[Jeritron]

They are. I completely agree but they out-rate TNA impact.
People who arent watching already dont care about the things we do.

[Fignuts]

Yeah I'm not saying that TNA has a bigger fan base, or is more popular or anything. Just that the product is better.

[Lock Jaw]

I must concur. While both contain some ridiculous and even crappy storylines and booking, I find myself having more to watch for on TNA than WWE.

WWE:
Johnny Nitro
Carlito (Practically non-existant now)
Shelton Benjamin (Non-existant now)
Spirit Squad (Mostly Kenny, though)
(Don't even bother watching Smackdown or ECW at all)

TNA:
Christian Cage
Kurt Angle
Samoa Joe
AJ Styles/Christopher Daniels
Chris Sabin
Alex Shelly/Austin Starr/Kevin Nash (as long as Nash isn't wrestling)
LAX

[Jeritron]

I suppose, I just don't think TNA does a good job at all either. They have young talent, and a handful of big names and they don't seem to have an aspirations of cleaning up their act.

[PullMyFinger]

Technically speaking, Impact isn't that far off from WWECW's ratings, and they get 1/3-1/4th of the rating that Raw gets.

Yeah you can say thats shite, but for a new company, it's good. ECW averages 1.5/6 ratings now...TNA is on primetime and has held a steady rating of 1.0 now. They've also hit 1.2 before.

[Jeritron]

I don't think you give the WWE enough credit with that list, what about edge? I'm not saying you have to like him if you like Christian, but I would assume you would

Plus how about someone like Jeff Hardy? If Jeff Hardys in TNA smarks are all pumped up for him, but when hes the same wrestler getting a solid push in WWE suddenly hes just another non-tna guy.

[Corkscrewed]

Arizona Cardinals > TNA > WWE

Or something.

[Jeritron]

edit: fucked up that post, Patriots are greater than the NFL

[Impact!]

GCW>TNA>NFL>WWE>WAR ON IRAQ>D2D

[Jeritron]

The Great Khali and Hulk Hogan as undisputed tag champs and respective holders of all world titles until 2009 > D2D > wwechampion

[Dave Youell]

Anything > D2D

[Jeritron]

Holocaust > D2D

[Savio]

DnD > D2D
:shifty:

[Pepsi Man]

X-division: I despise the X-Division and find it all to be a pile of pointless flips with no psychology.

Tag Division: TNA's got plenty of tag teams, sure, but they can't seem to make me care about any of them. They honestly should've done a James Gang/3D feud while it still could've been hot. Sure, they had a match, but come on...

Mid-card fueds: Honestly, I don't find myself caring about most of TNA's midcard either. I HONESTLY don't like their style of wrestling, for the most part, and their booking is ridiculous.

[Jeritron]

Yes, it shocks me that TNA has 2 of the best tag teams of all time on their roster and they've managed not to make anything good of them, or between them.
I'm also not caring about the X-division when I watch.
TNA could benefit from a midcard title analagous to the IC or US titles, because from what I've gathered, they have a world title picture with like 10 guys, and then the Xdivision. Theres no meaningful middle ground.

[El Fangel]

TNA is better than WWE right now...even if TNA has a ton of problems...its still far more interesting.

[TerranRich]

Even though my TiVo is stubborn and won't record all of iMPACT!, I have to agree. As a die-hard WWE mark, I'm finding it harder and harder to be enterained by WWE programming. I can't just abandon it altogether, but yes, TNA is more entertaining at this point. Not good for Vince.

[Kane Knight]

TNA has ass promos and shit booking. And I know the smarks will come out in force whining about how Nash is the man and VKM is awesome or whatever other retarded shit is supposed to be good about TNA, but honestly, they're ass. I can't stand the bloody show, because between the commentary, the booking, and the promos, TNA actually makes me ponder giving up on wrestling entirely.

...Kinda like ECW.

WWE at its worst is still better than TNA. I'll take DX over any "entertaining" skit TNA pulls, and that's saying something.

[Caged Heat18]

I still favor WWE over TNA. WWE is real bad at this point, but I'd still rather sit through Raw than Impact.

[Jeritron]

I feel the same way, when you're watching WWE, no matter how shitty it might be, its still The WWE.

[Stickman]

Sadly you're right.

[Rammsteinmad]

I'll always love wrestling and WWE, and even though I watch WWE every week and TNA when I can, I'd still say that right now TNA is better.

How can anyone who watched (and paid for) Survivor Series and especially December to Dismember think WWE is better. They expect people to pay for this crap? What happened to "giving the fans what they want"?

If I had paid for ECW D2D I'd probably never watch WWE again.

[Skippord]

I agree

[St. Jimmy]

RAW > TNA > Heat > ECW > Smackdown.

[Avenger]

X-division: I despise the X-Division and find it all to be a pile of pointless flips with no psychology.

Tag Division: TNA's got plenty of tag teams, sure, but they can't seem to make me care about any of them. They honestly should've done a James Gang/3D feud while it still could've been hot. Sure, they had a match, but come on...

Mid-card fueds: Honestly, I don't find myself caring about most of TNA's midcard either. I HONESTLY don't like their style of wrestling, for the most part, and their booking is ridiculous.Have you ever been positive about anything jerkass?

[Avenger]

TNA is better right now. The last few episodes of Impact have left me really excited at the end. This week's ending with Joe and Angle nearly winning the tag titles was flipping awesome and it left me wanting more, thus more likely to tune it next week. (Not that I will as I download it as I do not have satellite).

Here is why I love TNA right now -

- X-Division
- LAX
- Nash/Shelley/Starr are hilarious and Shelley is the next Jericho IMO
- Sting is starting to become quite badass and actually entertaining me for a change. I'm glad he dropped the title and this thing with Abyss (Chris) and Jim Mitchell is interesting.
- Joe/Angle is awesome.
- Christian Cage is the best thing in wrestling today.
- I also have the inevitable return of my beloved JJ to look forward to :love:

[Fox]

I agree with everything stated above, besides the JJ remark. WTF on that one.

I would also like to add:

-AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels
-Seeing Rhino used properly
-Senshi
-Tyson Tomko, for some reason, is highly entertaining.
-I mark for the Musclebuster. That really does mean something to me when I don't mark for any other finisher.

[Jura]

On Thursday night iMPACT!:

MAIN EVENT: TNA “ALL-STAR WAR” – NO RULES, NO MORALS, NO MERCY
Abyss vs. Sting vs. Christian Cage vs. Kurt Angle vs. Samoa Joe vs. Rhino

TNA keeps surprising me lately.

[Pepsi Man]

Have you ever been positive about anything jerkass?
Have you ever not tried to make a pro wrestling thread personal when you've disagreed with someone's view?

[Kane Knight]

Have you ever not tried to make a pro wrestling thread personal when you've disagreed with someone's view?

No. Fuck you. Retard!

...What, you weren't talking to me?

[Pepsi Man]

No. Fuck you. Retard!

...What, you weren't talking to me?
hahaha, classic.

[Londoner]

- I also have the inevitable return of my beloved JJ to look forward to :love:

I agreed with you up until this, seriously, wtf?

[Kane Knight]

Avenger was being facetious.

...Or he's dead to me. You choose. :dhifty:

[Batsu]

TNA > SD > ECW > RAW (the recent happenings on ECW knocked it down)

Raw is just.. CRAP and it sucks because all the "cool" WWE guys are there, just about.

[Kane Knight]

SD>ECW>TNA>Liquid Nitrogen enema>Raw.

[Fignuts]

Right then.

After tonight, anyone who disagrees with this topic title, is legally retarded.

[Blitz]

Agreement.

[Rammsteinmad]

:y:

[Kane Knight]

Didn't see it, but since I maintain that a liquid nitrgoen enema>Raw...

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Being better than WWE at this moment doesn't mean shit though. WWE has become unwatchable for me (I just can't stand Raw, and I rarely have time to watch Smackdown. ECW is the oly saving grace, and that's not saying much right now.)

For the life of me though, I still can't get into a habit of watching TNA...

I'm praying that WSX is good... Rumor has it they're going to have some great gimmicks... We'll see.

[Xero]

After last night, I'd rather watch the weekly half hour show that's on Public Access here than RAW.

Horrible wrestling, crappy gimmicks, shitty low-quality recorded VHS is still better than the shitfest they called RAW.

I think I'm switching things over to SmackDown! and TNA for a while....

[tucsonspeed6]

What's wrong with the Public Access wrestling?

My local public access show has a guy called "Ninja Presley".... How can that be a bad gimmick?!?

[Xero]

Last time I checked they had like a 500 pound Vampire. It's mostly either Russo gimmicks or generic wrestlers.

Anyway, just got finished watching last week's Impact. Aside from VKM and the Roode/Young/Brookes angles, it really wasn't too bad. Truthfully, in entertainment value, it's miles ahead of RAW.

[Arnold HamNegger]

Anyway, just got finished watching last week's Impact. Aside from VKM and the Roode/Young/Brookes angles, it really wasn't too bad. Truthfully, in entertainment value, it's miles ahead of RAW.

Yeah, I only saw the last 20 minutes of last week's Impact (starting at the Mitchell/Abyss skit), but that was more entertaining than anything I've seen on Raw in recent memory.

And don't even get me started on last nights Raw. Comparitively speaking, that Raw makes Impact seem like 60 minutes of wrestling wrapped in virtual reality porn.

[owenbrown]

:y:

[UmbrellaCorporation]

TNA has ass promos and shit booking. And I know the smarks will come out in force whining about how Nash is the man and VKM is awesome or whatever other retarded shit is supposed to be good about TNA, but honestly, they're ass. I can't stand the bloody show, because between the commentary, the booking, and the promos, TNA actually makes me ponder giving up on wrestling entirely.

...Kinda like ECW.

WWE at its worst is still better than TNA. I'll take DX over any "entertaining" skit TNA pulls, and that's saying something.

Pretty much summed my opinion up too. I'll watch TNA, but I still prefer WWE product, even if it is the whole "swapping the witch for the devil" type of scenario.

[6to1]

so whos better on the mic abyss or khali

[Skippord]

Right then.

After tonight, anyone who disagrees with this topic title, is legally retarded.
Agreed

[Kane Knight]

Being better than WWE at this moment doesn't mean shit though.

Exactly.

[Fignuts]

So Krispy is legally retarded.

Shocker there.

[El Fangel]

I have to agree, that while TNA has its flaws, It is more interesting (at least for me) because it, has more then maineventers being pushed, midcarders seem to be sub-me instead of mid-carders for example, Sabin, Daniels, Styles seem to be ME-ers but really aren't. They are high up and seem like ME-ers as they get pushed, and I always like thier matches. Anyways thats my opinion.

[Jeritron]

Well like Mick Foley said about 97-98 Raw, "we were putting on the better show for about a year or more before it even showed up in the ratings"

Same applies for now, if TNA continues to provide a better show as well as improving, and WWE continues its current shittiness, it'll eventually show up. Patience folks.

[El Fangel]

The thing is we notice the shit now, and when we hear the ratings go up we have to think back and think, wait what happened 3 months ago? Fuck our short attention spans.

[Outsider]

Neither TNA nor WWE are putting on great entertainment, however TNA is at least putting on some good matches.

[Kane Knight]

The thing is we notice the shit now, and when we hear the ratings go up we have to think back and think, wait what happened 3 months ago? Fuck our short attention spans.

I'd argue, but I can't remember what I'm arguing about.

[6to1]

Neither TNA nor WWE are putting on great entertainment, however TNA is at least putting on some good matches.
nash is great entertainment as long as he does not wrestle.

[srnrew]

If Turner was smart he'd quickly jump on the chance to start at another company, given that WWE n TNA aren't that good right now.

[St. Jimmy]

TNA jobs to Grey's Anatomy.

[St. Jimmy]

Also, Turner is contractually obligated to stay clear of Wrestling Promotions until 08, isn't it? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Kane Knight]

I thought it ended sometime in 07. Either way.

[Xero]

I thought it ended in 06... :-\

[6to1]

turner is broke

[KingofOldSchool]

I seriously tried watching TNA again last night and I still find it worse than Raw.

I know that it's not saying much.

I would quit watching wrestling, but unlike a lot of people here I can actually admit that I don't have the will power to do so.

[Kane Knight]

I can't imagine TNA being worse than the shitfest WWE's been doing on Raw.

[Arnold HamNegger]

I was pretty underwhelmed by Impact last night, but still thought it was much MUCH better than Raw lately. They really need two hours. There's some good storylines going, but all the matches are just too damn short. One of the key events that happened last night, they didn't even show on TV or even replay! (Referencing 3D jumping Konnan). Terrible time management. Even worse, they've had two weeks to edit this shit together and STILL decided not to show it. :nono:

Also, given the situation with DX...you'd think that they could have retaped a VKM promo to match the current events that have taken place with HHH's injury and getting VKM chants on Raw. The "Alamo" segment just made TNA look 5 steps behind the times.

[El Fangel]

I can't imagine TNA being worse than the shitfest WWE's been doing on Raw.

Is Jarrett still around?

[Mercury Bullet]

Now would be a good time for TNA to go all out, put their best stuff forward, and really make a move on the WWE. However, they seem content to stay in right where they are and leave the entire professional wrestling world stuck in a crapfest.

I will say though, after this weeks Raw and Impact I don't think you can make an argument for Raw being better. Was Impact good? No. But it wasn't a god-awful mess like Raw was. And no, there was no Jarrett which is always a plus. I think he's taking time off right now. Hopefully time off forever.

[Kane Knight]

To TNA, all-out is a euphamism for "Push Jarrett."

[Mercury Bullet]

I was gonna reference "Put their best stuff forward" but then you could just quote yourself again.

I guess I should say...well...i dont know what to say. I think TNA would find a way to crap up whatever they do that could have been good.

[TerranRich]

I just came up with a pretty good idea for what VKM should do next: attend a WWE event, or even a PPV, at ringside seats, and try to disrupt the event without getting kicked out. I doubt WWE cameras would even show them, or if they'd even be let into the event, but I think their presence there would be hard to ignore on WWE's part IMHO.