Paul Heyman gone from ECW

[NeanderCarl]

From ECW.com:

Heyman out
December 4, 2006


Distraught by the results of December to Dismember, ECW Representative Paul Heyman appeared to be distant and depressed this afternoon at the North Charleston Coliseum hours before an ECW live event.

This condition was further exasperated by Mr. McMahon, who decided to send Heyman home. The WWE Chairman cited slumping television ratings and a disgruntled talent roster as causes for Mr. Heyman’s dismissal.



Kayfabe, no doubt.

[M-A-G]

Can you BLAME him?

[Chavo Classic]

Open letter to Vince:

Dear Vince.

We don't care.

Thank you

[NeanderCarl]

Vince publicly burdoning Heyman with the blame for "slumping ratings" and "disgruntled talent". Surely Vince should be sending himself home?

[NeanderCarl]

So we'll be getting The Coach or someone equally uninspired as new ECW General Manager from Tuesday then?

[M-A-G]

LOL, seriously. Why the f*&# is this still on TV?

[Chavo Classic]

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9294/heymanoutstoryrv1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Dave Youell]

Best thing for Heyman is to sit at home, collect his cheques and leave.

If they pay him just so he doesn't go to TNA fine, as long as he's happy.

But Heyman in TNA would be great, on and off screen.

Anyone know how long he's got on his contract left?

[Chavo Classic]

Heyman needs to avoid TNA and move straight onto ROH. He wouldn't be given the same power and stroke at TNA as he might at a smaller fed which he could mould.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Well, Gabe did start off under Heyman...

[KingofOldSchool]

*cough*work*cough*

[Chavo Classic]

yeh, totally. but my opnion on Heyman's future still stands

[The One]

Christ some of you are dumb.

Kayfabe, no doubt.

*cough*work*cough*

Thank you for restoring my faith that some people understand that pro wrestling (and their storylines) arn't *gasp* real.

[Dave Youell]

Yes I know it's a work, but what I'm saying is after that shitfest last night, I want him to leave the sinking ship anyway

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Yes I know it's a work, but what I'm saying is after that shitfest last night, I want him to leave the sinking ship anyway

[6to1]

Best thing for Heyman is to sit at home, collect his cheques and leave.

If they pay him just so he doesn't go to TNA fine, as long as he's happy.

But Heyman in TNA would be great, on and off screen.

Anyone know how long he's got on his contract left?
thats what they do with bischoff

[mike627]

*cough*work*cough*Really,so if everything is a work oh,wise one then surely you can give us the date of Trish and Lita's return or when Bret Hart will be back in the ring?:roll:

[mike627]

thats what they do with bischoffPretty much,man I really kinda wonder if Vince wolud be willing to let Pual really go?

[Blue Demon]

PWInsider.com has just reported the details on Paul Heyman’s departure from not only ECW but apparently WWE as a whole. According to reports, Vince McMahon was furious at last night’s ECW December to Dismember pay per view and is trying to pin all the blame on Paul Heyman. Nevermind the fact that it was more of a WWE style pay per view than an ECW one.

According to sources, Vince believes that Paul doesn’t get what the new vision of ECW should be and that he is "caught in the past." So how did all of this come about?

Well apparently the problems started last night when Heyman, angry at how the show was being booked, began voicing his opinions before, during and after the show. Reportedly there were definite issues between Vince and Paul that escalated today at the tapings where a meeting was held at approx. 2pm eastern time with Heyman, Stephanie McMahon-Levesque and Vince McMahon.

After the meeting Heyman came out of the meeting looking normal like nothing had transpired. He then grabbed his stuff and left. The word is this is NOT a storyline at all and that Paul Heyman is done with World Wrestling Entertainment.

[Blitz]

If it ain't a work, good.

[McLegend]

This is interesting.

[Blitz]

Full article from PWinsider.com

As Mike reported a few minutes ago, Paul Heyman is gone from WWE. From talking to a number of people in the company, the impression I received was that Vince McMahon was irate about how awful the PPV was last night and wanted to pin the blame on Heyman for it. Anyone who knows anything about Heyman's booking, as I have for years now, have a pretty good idea that the show was much more McMahon than Heyman. But according to people I spoke with, Heyman got pinned with the blame for it with the theory being that "he is caught in the past and doesn't understand the new vision of ECW". You know, the vision that ends PPVs a half hour early and makes the fans boo what WWE creative books for them.

The problems started yesterday at the ECW PPV when everyone realized that the show really stunk. Heyman was said to be unhappy with the way that the show was booked (big shock right) and sources backstage told me that he voiced that concern both before the show and after it. People at TV told me today that it was obvious that there were issues between Vince McMahon and Heyman because of the how the show played out on pay TV, with everyone knowing it was a disaster. Problems carried over from last night and led to the incidents that happened today.

A number of sources told me that there was a meeting today around two o'clock with Heyman, Vince McMahon and Stephanie McMahon-Levesque at the building. Heyman came out the meeting and seemed like his normal self, with no one I talked to having any idea that something bad had happened. Shortly thereafter, Heyman gathered his things and left the building to go home.

The word going around from everyone I talked to is that this is not a storyline in any way and he is legitimately done with the company.

[KingofOldSchool]

Really,so if everything is a work oh,wise one then surely you can give us the date of Trish and Lita's return or when Bret Hart will be back in the ring?:roll:

Where did I say that everything was a work?

Oh that's right, I didn't.

[Londoner]

LOL@everyone who laughed at those who believed it to be true when it actually was.

Typical Vince mcmahon though eh, he says Heyman is stuck in the past, but what way was more succesful? Judging by last nights PPV, I would say Heymans way was...

[Blitz]

You can't blame anyone for thinking it was a work when it comes from wwe.com and half sounds like a work.

[Londoner]

Didn't sound like a work to me tbh, I expected this to happen.

[Mr. Nerfect]

My first thoughts were "work", and this is going to be an angle where Paul Heyman leads the ECW Originals against the New Breed, but apparently it is real. I wouldn't be surprised either way.

Paul Heyman could really go to TNA. How does he feel about Vince Russo? Would they be able to work together? Cut Russo, and let Heyman do it. Also let him do colour commentary instead of Don West. It is time for some changes.

What Heyman could do with TNA would be fantastic to see. I could see him going to ROH, but to be honest, I don't see him doing too well there. They don't seem to care about the out-come of their matches and storylines as much as match quality. I love ROH, but that's just my view on it.

Paul Heyman, Rob Van Dam and Sabu to TNA? That sounds exciting.

[PullMyFinger]

Well Sabu coming back to TNA will be like he never left really.

Personally, if Heyman goes to TNA...I really think TNA will have THE premier booking team in all of America.

lol The funniest part is, everything is working out in TNA's favour due to WWE's plain stupidity.

[PullMyFinger]

And btw, According to Gerweck.net, it was RVD's wife that was chanting TNA TNA ? :wtf: :shifty:

[JT]

Whatever, I was hoping for this anyway.

The man is better working for himself or individuals without power issues, and seeing as ROH is coming off as the alternative to other wrestling feds, his style of booking is awesome if given the chance there (and they do need someone who can draw together some storylines). Hope it happens.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Also, what about Pro Wrestling X, or whatever MTV is calling it? Regardless, where ever Heyman goes, if he's giving booking power, I will watch.

Also, does anyone know how long Punk's WWE contract is for?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Also, what about Pro Wrestling X, or whatever MTV is calling it? Regardless, where ever Heyman goes, if he's giving booking power, I will watch.

Also, does anyone know how long Punk's WWE contract is for?

I don't have a clue, but I'd assume somewhere in the range of two to five years. Poor guy.

[PullMyFinger]

Yeah, as much as I'd love to see Heyman in TNA, I think ROH is a perfect fit for Heyman.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Yeah, as much as I'd love to see Heyman in TNA, I think ROH is a perfect fit for Heyman.

Honestly, I don't know....

Gabe has said repeatedly he's happy with where the company is... He doesn't want ppv/tv, etc... I'd rather have Heyman somewhere where he can get a good product on tv. Wrestling is losing popularity, and no matter how badass ROH is, if they aren't being seen by more people, they won't catch people's interests..

If Heyman can book for TNA or MTV's fed, then we may be getting somewhere.

[Avenger]

lol my GOD wrestling is in the crapper right now.

I reckon Heyman will just stay at home and get paid by WWE. If I was home I wouldn't get involved in wrestling for a while.

[Savio]

Worked-Shoot :shifty:

[PullMyFinger]

Honestly, I don't know....

Gabe has said repeatedly he's happy with where the company is... He doesn't want ppv/tv, etc... I'd rather have Heyman somewhere where he can get a good product on tv. Wrestling is losing popularity, and no matter how badass ROH is, if they aren't being seen by more people, they won't catch people's interests..

If Heyman can book for TNA or MTV's fed, then we may be getting somewhere.
Well yeah, I wasn't saying for Heyman to push ROH to mainstream level. But it seems Heyman is best at the indie level/lower end of the wrestling companies...I don't know...that's why I think he's best fit for ROh.

I mean hey, I don't even watch ROH, nor do I like their style of purist wrestling. It's not my thing...but maybe he's made more for that style.

[Savio]

Also, what about Pro Wrestling X, or whatever MTV is calling it? Regardless, where ever Heyman goes, if he's giving booking power, I will watch.Smackdown?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Smackdown?

Remember when Heyman used to book that show. Most people agree it is good now, but back then? :drool:

[Avenger]

Tell me about it. Heyman's SmackDown was the best wrestling show in the last 5 or 6 years.

[Mr. Nerfect]

But yeah, I what I don't get is how December to Dismember showed that Heyman can't get over the past? Is it because the show was booked under WWE standards, yet wasn't good? Is Vince taking Heyman's inability to book amazing WWE-style shows as a sign he is still longing for the old ways? It can't be that, because the WWE is putting on shit WWE-style shows.

If last night was booked to Heyman's wishes, I could imagine it being much different, and to be honest, better.

[Savio]

Yeah they wouldn't let him do anything now though.

[Kane Knight]

lol The funniest part is, everything is working out in TNA's favour due to WWE's plain stupidity.

I've said it for a long time now, if TNA succeeds, it'll be more a credit to WWE's failures than anything else.

[Jeritron]

Well I hope Heyman goes to TNA. It'd be interesting because others would be sure to follow.

[Jeritron]

How long is left on RVD and Sabu's contracts? Think about it. Paul Heyman's gone. They've been officially blacklisted by the company they're working for. They're on the C-show. I don't see why they wouldnt want to head to TNA.

[Fignuts]

This fucking disgusts me. Seriously.

[Avenger]

How long is left on RVD and Sabu's contracts? Think about it. Paul Heyman's gone. They've been officially blacklisted by the company they're working for. They're on the C-show. I don't see why they wouldnt want to head to TNA.One thing that came from D2D that we can all agree on is that Sabu is past it.

Please no Sabu in TNA.

RVD yes please, Sabu :nono:

[KingofOldSchool]

How long is left on RVD and Sabu's contracts? Think about it. Paul Heyman's gone. They've been officially blacklisted by the company they're working for. They're on the C-show. I don't see why they wouldnt want to head to TNA.

RVD's contract is up in about 6 months.

[Londoner]

RVD's contract is up in about 6 months.


Damn, WWE still have time to fuck up his career even more then.

[NeanderCarl]

Sabu signed a one-year deal, to my recollection, around April time. I highly doubt he would re-sign for another run.

Heyman also signed a one-year deal (again, as far as I can recall) which was an extention of his last contract. That would have been around February or March??

Also, why is Vince blaming Heyman for the terrible PPV last night? I thought Heyman had little or no creative input.

[Fox]

I've said it for a long time now, if TNA succeeds, it'll be more a credit to WWE's failures than anything else.


Yeah. It definitely doesn't have anything to do with the hungry, young, talented wrestlers filling up their roster.

[Fox]

This is an interesting situation and it can only mean extreme goods or extreme bads for the wrestling industry as a whole.

On the extremely bad side, we could have to wait for Heyman to sit out his WWE contract and his no-compete clause, which means we won't get to see any of his product for quite some time, and that TNA won't be able to hire him.

On the good side, it could mean that TNA could be about to attain one of the best bookers/creative minds in the wrestling business today.

Heyman, booking the TNA roster? There's so much gold there. Russo just doesn't know where to look for it.

[NeanderCarl]

I'm still not convinced this Heyman departure isn't a work. You don't cite "falling ratings" and "disgruntled talent" unless it's a storyline firing. Especially considering that all creative decisions need approval from Vince and Stephanie before getting the green light, in which case they'd be admitting their own failings if this wasn't all kayfabe. Also, the wording of the original WWE.com statement is suspect.

If it is legit, however, then Heyman should be free from his contract within 6 months even if he sits it out. Could be the best for all concerned. I'd like to see him find a new backer (Ted Turner??) and start a new company of his own. Or maybe he'll get involved in Tod Gordon's upcoming Xtreme Fight Club promotion?

[Splaya]

This is another dark day in wrestling. Period. No bullshit, not comments from me. Just a dark day

[Blitz]

How is it a dark day? A talented booker gets away from a company that's not letting him book anything.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

It will be a dark day if Heyman doesn't get the oppertunity go actually book somewhere.

[Splaya]

It just sucks thats all. I'm a HUGE fan of Heyman.

[Joey Slugs]

This fucking disgusts me. Seriously.

^ right there.

[mike627]

So,who is gonna be the on air authority figure? Shane,Steph,Bischoff?

[NeanderCarl]

So,who is gonna be the on air authority figure? Shane,Steph,Bischoff?

Todd Gordon would be a pretty good replacement, for historical purposes.

[NeanderCarl]

Won't happen though, obviously, because even a lot of old ECW fans post-1997 wouldn't even know who he is.

[Vastardikai]

The Miz will be the new host of ECW.

(And if this happens... I'm sorry, I'm very very very sorry.)

[Rammsteinmad]

If this is true this is awesome.

Paul Heyman in TNA. :drool:

[Rammsteinmad]

Also, I don't watch too much ROH, so I can't say if Heyman would be better there, but soon as TNA looks to be the biggest contender so far, I'd want Heyman to go there.

[Rammsteinmad]

One more thing, this whole thing is probably Heymans idea (worked shoot). :D

[CYCLOPTERSAURUS]

http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/news/extremistdivded

Extremists divided on Heyman’s dismissal
By Jen Hunt
December 4, 2006


Initial reactions by the ECW Extremists to today's announcement of Paul Heyman's dismissal seem split down tenure lines. The ECW Originals appear upset and in a state of shock, whereas the new breeds seem to have a more optimistic outlook.

"I'm shocked," said Tommy Dreamer. "I don't know what's going on right now."

Dreamer boasts the longest tenure with ECW, and has known Heyman for more than ten years. Fellow ECW Original, Stevie Richards was equally shocked by the announcement.

"I have no idea what to say, except whatever Paul decides to do eventually, I wish him the best of luck in future endeavors," said Richards.

While many of the ECW Originals were too shocked by Heyman's dismissal to react to the situation yet, Rob Van Dam had some very strong words. While the two have not always gotten along over the years, RVD clearly doesn't like the idea of Heyman not being a part of the brand.


"I think that without Paul fighting for a better direction to take ECW... I fear that it's in for some horrible changes," said Van Dam.



It seems the Originals are wrestling with the idea of what an ECW without Heyman will mean. However, for those who have only been with Heyman and the brand since debuting on Sci Fi in June of this year, the future is looking bright.

"To quote a famous man, Hulkamania dies when Hogan dies, 'Woo' dies when Ric Flair dies, but when that man [Heyman] is gone and while he's gone, ECW will live on," said relative newcomer Elijah Burke.

"During a hurricane, some trees fall, others remain standing," explained Matt Striker. "During a hurricane, some houses fall, others remain standing. But after a hurricane at least you can still go fishing."

In an industry where nothing seems to stay the same, one ECW Original summed up what you can always count on.

"Well it just goes to show you, nothing ever surprises you in the world of sports-entertainment," said Little Guido.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, I can definately see this being an angle. I mean, NeanderCarl pointed it out pretty well, the WWE admitted their failings. They could have just said "Paul Heyman and the WWE have parted ways", or not even mention it like the other times they have taken Heyman off the booking team.

The comments by the wrestlers are also perfectly split. The New Breed is pro-Heyman leaving (which is not what you'd expect), and the Originals are against it. They aren't so much comments as positionings.

I can definately see Heyman leading the Originals against the New Breed. What would be sweet is seeing them both fight over who gets CM Punk.

[NeanderCarl]

This COULD be a work (ie. a Heyman and The ECW Originals vs The New ECW Breed feud), but if it's all shoot, then RVD is going to be in more hot water for his remarks. Kudos to the guy, he ALWAYS speaks his true feelings in interviews, fuck the consequences.

[Destor]

"I have no idea what to say, except whatever Paul decides to do eventually, I wish him the best of luck in future endeavors," said Richards. LOL

[.44 Magdalene]

DAMN, Destor beat me to it.

[Dave Youell]

I really want this to be a shoot, so badly!

For a few reasons:

1. The Paul Heyman shoot interview would be the longest in the history of shoot interviews, the guy has been a major player in all 3 companies, and he's never not been employee'd by one of them so we've never heard the full truth

2. Him booking TNA would get rid of Russo

If Dixie Carter paid for Angle's 90 day no compete, they should do the same with Heyman's and buy him out now, PLEASE!

[NeanderCarl]

The Paul Heyman shoot interview would be the longest in the history of shoot interviews, the guy has been a major player in all 3 companies, and he's never not been employee'd by one of them so we've never heard the full truth

I hadn't even thought about that. A Paul Heyman shoot would be amazing. Only thing is, yes he has always worked for a Big Three promotion, but ECW was his own company, and if he'd really wanted to do a shoot interview during that period, he could have done. Of course, we're talking five years ago, and a lot of shit has gone down since then.

[NeanderCarl]

Actually, we're talking SIX years ago, next month.

Man, has it been that long???

[NeanderCarl]

This could be a work because:

Vince and Paul may have had an emergency meeting today to discuss the failings of the ECW PPV, and decided to take the company in a new direction, beginning with this announcement.

Supporting factors: The wording of the announcement, the response from the "Extremists", and did you SEE the PPV??
-----------------------------------------------------

This could be a shoot because:

Vince probably IS blinkered enough to place the blame on Heyman, who isn't involved in a creative capacity other than advisor/suggestions man, rather than those who actually book the shows (Vince himself and Steph, heading the team).

Supporting factors: Heyman and Vince have always had a volatile working relationship. Paul probably does push hard for elements of the original ECW whereas Vince wants HIS version to be WWE-style.

[NeanderCarl]

Whichever way you look at it, it's at least mixing things up a bit.

If it's real, the uber-talented Paul Heyman is back on the market for a job in the wrestling business.

If it's fake, at least ECW are trying to address the problems with the brand by churning things up a bit.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah. It definitely doesn't have anything to do with the hungry, young, talented wrestlers filling up their roster.

Oh God yes. Sabu, Kevin Nash, The James', Jarrett, Kurt Angle, Sting...All that new, young talent. Not to mention the Russo booking, which is taking them to the next level...Ummmm...They are gathering ratings that compete with WWE, right? No? Well, at least people know who these young, ungry talents are...No? Welll, at least they're getting meaningful pushes...No? Well, at least they're new, and it's not like most of them have been around for the entirety of TNA, working and wasting away in virtual obscurity...What? Oh, right.

I'm sorry, Fox. I'd like to see things your way. However, I lack the brain damage necessary. TNA's had young, hungry talent for ages, has it made them successful? No. What was their big, ratings success? The return of Sting (Which was booked so well the ratings went down the next week and never came back). Their prime time special? Not particularly well-rated, especially given their own expectations. And then, of course, you go and put over what Heyman can do for them...Which underscores my point.

[Kane Knight]

Whichever way you look at it, it's at least mixing things up a bit.

If it's real, the uber-talented Paul Heyman is back on the market for a job in the wrestling business.

If it's fake, at least ECW are trying to address the problems with the brand by churning things up a bit.

...Unless they're only paying lip service to it.

Sorry, I'm not quite ready to believe that words will equal action, even if it is a work. Or even if it's a shoot. OR at all.

[Fignuts]

Wait didn't they say he just sent him home? Not fired him?

[Rammsteinmad]

"During a hurricane, some trees fall, others remain standing," explained Matt Striker. "During a hurricane, some houses fall, others remain standing. But after a hurricane at least you can still go fishing."

:lol:

[RP]

"During a hurricane, some trees fall, others remain standing," explained Matt Striker. "During a hurricane, some houses fall, others remain standing. But after a hurricane at least you can still go fishing."

huh?

[Batsu]

PWInsider.com has just reported the details on Paul Heyman’s departure from not only ECW but apparently WWE as a whole. According to reports, Vince McMahon was furious at last night’s ECW December to Dismember pay per view and is trying to pin all the blame on Paul Heyman. Nevermind the fact that it was more of a WWE style pay per view than an ECW one.

According to sources, Vince believes that Paul doesn’t get what the new vision of ECW should be and that he is "caught in the past." So how did all of this come about?

Well apparently the problems started last night when Heyman, angry at how the show was being booked, began voicing his opinions before, during and after the show. Reportedly there were definite issues between Vince and Paul that escalated today at the tapings where a meeting was held at approx. 2pm eastern time with Heyman, Stephanie McMahon-Levesque and Vince McMahon.

After the meeting Heyman came out of the meeting looking normal like nothing had transpired. He then grabbed his stuff and left. The word is this is NOT a storyline at all and that Paul Heyman is done with World Wrestling Entertainment.

Seriously.
What build up on ECW TV was there for Daivari vs. Dreamer?
Knox/Kelly versus Thorn/Ariel?

NONE.

Knox/Kelly have been in the middle of a SL with CM Punk. Ariel/Thorn haven't even been paying them any mind.

and Daivari has just been fighting random people with the help of Khali as enforcer.

and Hardys/MNM was built up... but only on Raw, not ECW.

The only match even hyped for that PPV was the Elimination Chamber, and did you think people who had just spent on Survivor Series a week or so ago are going to shell out again for this second-rate PPV?

FOH.

Vince lost, IMO.

[6to1]

if his contract ends in ether feb or march, and he wanted to go to tna, as long as he is not an on air talent he could advise them for free till his contract expires. he could say fire russo and let jim cornett run things till i get there.

[Tb1]

Somewhat off topic, but words from Dreamer after D2D;

NMB sent in the following report in regards to meeting Tommy Dreamer after Sunday's ECW PPV ... I talked with Dreamer briefly after December To Disappoint tonight. He hung around after the show and there was a small crowd of people coming up to him pissed off. I asked Dreamer if Sabu not being there tonight had anything to do with him leaving ECW. He said "I don't know for sure, but it's probably the case." I then asked if the rumors about RVD leaving are true and he didn't say yes or no, just "Him and Sabu might not be the only ones, man." Then I asked if December To Disappoint was the final bullet in the head for ECW and he told me "ECW's been dead, I'm now realizing it. The only part of it still alive are you guys." Then we shook hands, hugged and he said "I'm sorry."

[Chavo Classic]

I feel for guys like Dreamer and Heyman who worked so hard for ECW. They know more than anyone that this new incarnation isn't the same, but it's still got to hurt knowing someone is fucking with the memory of your child.

[The Ravishing One]

I feel for guys like Dreamer and Heyman who worked so hard for ECW. They know more than anyone that this new incarnation isn't the same

Yeah, i'm gutted for them. :(

[Jeritron]

sorry for the novel:

I really feel bad. It sucks for guys who are the heart and soul of ECW still there. And it sucks that a guy who built it isn't even in control of it anymore. Its been swindled from him, and changed around. And worst of all its not even working out.
Normally I stick up for Vince and WWE but this is a disgrace. Vince blaming Heyman is such a dick move, and firing someone from their own thing? What the fuck...
I truly do hope Heyman winds up on TNA
He's a great fit for them for 3 reasons.
1. Great on air personality. He could be the voice they need at the announce table and/or be a great kayfabe authority figure/GM

2. Booking. This guy knows how to book a show, he knows how to run a show. He knows wrestling, hes a fan and knows whats good and whats crap. Hes well respected and liked, and has experience and success. He can also book gold out of crap. Think of what he can do with TNAs roster. No offense to Sandman and Dreamer, but he turned two out of shape guys in street clothes with mediocre at best ring skills into big names. He made a guy as small as Tazz come off as one of the most dominating, unstoppable forces going.

3. Hes got an eye for talent. This isn't talked about much, but this guy knows how to recognize talent, and book them, and allow them to be who they are. This guy has great relations and feel in the business and can find new talent. He'd landed Guerrrero, Benoit, Jericho, Mysterio and others and couldnt keep them cuz he didnt have money, he also allowed Foley and Steve Austin to be themselves and make it to the bigtime in WWF. In TNA, he has a lot more to work with. His contacts also make him a magnet for other talent. I mean, he could certainly bring over guys like RVD and such. Joey Styles, all kinds of guys who are stuck in WWE now, or out of the business could be lured over to TNA when they want to return to action/are out of their contracts.


I think they should get him and put him in serious control. I dont neccesarily think this means that they have to do anything with Russo or Cornette. I think the team of all 3 of them could book a hell of a goddamn show.
Russo often gets cracked on for his work in WCW and such, but hes had his strenghts back in the WWF and I think he just needs a mind to control him and work under/with. This could be Heyman. Cornette knows his shit.
Get these 3 together and make TNA something I can watch.

[Russenmafia]

How long did Heyman book SD! for. All I can remember was that he started booking it when the brand split started. It was a quality show, summed up by two words.

Smackdown! Six

[James Steele]

"During a hurricane, some trees fall, others remain standing," explained Matt Striker. "During a hurricane, some houses fall, others remain standing. But after a hurricane at least you can still go fishing."

huh?

I can tell its an angle because they have changed the interviews already. I read the initial interview yesterday and all of those were worded quite differently.

[NeanderCarl]

Heyman, Russo and Cornette working together in TNA?

Those three hate each others' guts.

[The Fugitive]

I don't think hate is a strong enough word to describe Cornette's feelings for Russo.

[NeanderCarl]

I don't think hate is a strong enough word to describe Cornette's feelings for Russo.

Well the Heyman/Cornette feud stretches back to their teens, when both were ringside photographers. In fact, it's almost a miracle that Cornette ever made an appearance in ECW back in 1997.

I'm not too sure of any heat between Heyman and Russo, though. Anybody know of any? I'm almost sure I remember they do not get along.

[Jeritron]

I knew nothing about problems with Heyman and Russo.
And I was under the impression Cornette and Russo were both working for TNA now as it is.
And Heyman and Cornette? Havent they worked together in WWE? I didnt know there were problems.

[Kane Knight]

One could make Steven Hawkings come off as brilliant on the mic and in-ring, the other books like he's the intellectual peer of Eugene.

What could they possibly have to dislike each other over?

[Testicle]

I don't even know what to say to this shit other than,

This is about as bad as Vince has fucked up and I feel sorry for Dreamer

[Jeritron]

Well Dreamer and company will be out of a job soon, and I'm sure with Paul gone they won't mind anyways.
If Paul goes to TNA, if not i'm sure they'll just retire. I'm sure a lot of his friends will follow.

[NeanderCarl]

I knew nothing about problems with Heyman and Russo.
And I was under the impression Cornette and Russo were both working for TNA now as it is.
And Heyman and Cornette? Havent they worked together in WWE? I didnt know there were problems.

Cornette and Russo ARE working for TNA and according to reports being kept as far away from each other as possible.

Cornette and Heyman have worked together on many occasions in the past, even feuding in the NWA in the 1980s with their tag teams The Midnight Express and The New Midnight Express. But they really don't get along.

I think Heyman may have some animosity towards Russo for stealing the Attitude concept from ECW, but I don't know if it would stop them working together. Doubt it, their both professionals. I mean, they MUST be, some of the shit they've endured over the years without walking away.

[Mr. Nerfect]

All three obviously have a passion for the industry, so I hope they can kind of put it behind them, just for the sake of fucking over the WWE. Jim Cornette and Paul Heyman are two completely different mind, Cornette is more old-school and Heyman is more modern. Have Cornette work with the younger guys behind the scenes, and have Heyman book the shows.

I'm undecided about Russo. The guy gets too much shit, in my opinion, but he does get a bit out-there. Isn't that what TNA needs, though? I'd keep him on speed-dial, but let Heyman handle the booking. And for the love of God, replace Don West with Paul Heyman on colour commentary. That'd be so awesome, and for some reason, I see Tenay and Heyman having magnificent chemistry.

[Londoner]

^ Agreed about Heyman replacing West, that would be the best thing to ever happen to TNA.

[addy2hotty]

I can't help think, that if this is real, that it's the best news for all concerned. Heyman can do the stuff he does well elsewhere, ECW will die, their wrestlers will be released and the decent ones will show up elsewhere. Show can retire gracefully, Khali can fuck off back to nothingness, Lashley can do the same for all I care.

On the other hand however, Punk's burial will be complete as he will get NOWHERE on either of the other shows.

Bit of a shock, but with WWE.com's new 'the real story' agenda of recent times, I'd go with real.

D2D was truely truely awful. Now if Heyman had little control over it, then he has to go - there's no point in him working there. If he was in creative control of it (how minute a chance that is), then he has to go because of the travesty that the PPV is.

On the same hand however, I'd fire every single damn writer in the WWE at the moment. Raw was again terrible, SD - well I can't even begin to talk about that.

[Londoner]

^ SD has been good lately, but one bad show and everyone says its in the shitter, not every show can be good every week, you know? Just not possible these days.

[Corkscrewed]

C'mon... Vince and company don't have the foresight to make this a successful, long-plotted angle.

WWE always takes real life events and publicizes them online. Heyman's really gone, and they're just taking advantage of it to tease people.

[NeanderCarl]

There's been no official announcement of his release though. Just that he's been sent home.

Even if it is 100% real, WWE could turn around and decide they do want Heyman to come back to work, and he would have to, as long as he is under contract.

[Londoner]

So heymans getting payed to do nothing? I don't see how that benefits the WWE...they're strange like that.

[Pepsi Man]

So heymans getting payed to do nothing? I don't see how that benefits the WWE...they're strange like that.
It prevents him from competing with them, and if you don't see how that benefits the WWE, well...I don't know what more to say.

[KingofOldSchool]

I read a follow up on I think either the Observer of PWI, but Heyman is not actually GONE from WWE as of right.

He is basically at home getting paid by the WWE, so he is not free to go any other place right now.

[6to1]

they are not going to fire him they will just wait till his contract runs out. i wonder if he can still give out free advice to other companys till his contract runs out.

[tucsonspeed6]

So heymans getting payed to do nothing? I don't see how that benefits the WWE...they're strange like that.

Guys getting paid to do nothing... Hmm. Where have I heard of this happening before?

[KingofOldSchool]

So heymans getting payed to do nothing? I don't see how that benefits the WWE...they're strange like that.

He can't go to TNA, that's how it benefits WWE.

[Jeritron]

Which says all kinds of things about Vince. I mean, hes to blame for an abomination and they have no use for him in the company anymore, hes firing worthy...yet god forbid he be bringing what he has to the table for another company.

[Crippla]

If Heyman's really gone, that sucks.

[Kane Knight]

It prevents him from competing with them, and if you don't see how that benefits the WWE, well...I don't know what more to say.