So is he back or what? (Raw Spoiler)

[Savio]

Jericho back fulltime?

[Fignuts]

what?

[Destor]

LOL

[El Fangel]

You better not be joking.

[Lock Jaw]

I don't know if he's back but he certainly was the best part of RAW this week. :y:

[Destor]

I don't know if he's back but he certainly was the best part of RAW this week. :y:I agree with this.

[XXXCMPunkXXX]

What are you people talking about?

[Lock Jaw]

Chris Jericho.

[Destor]

And his greatness.

[TerranRich]

Yeah, they show a clip from when he won the Undisputed Belt and everyone thinks he's returning.

[NeanderCarl]

He'll be back.....

[Destor]

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The highlight of the night was Chris Jericho.
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I agree with this.
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I didn't catch RAW, what's this about Jericho?
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Came back man. It was insane. Looks like he's gonna get a program with Shelton right off.
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Should be sweet.
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When the countdown hit, I marked out like never before
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Shit raw, sans for the Jericho highlight
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Jericho back fulltime?
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[El Fangel]

There was a bullshiting return post in a thread before, am I getting my hopes up or is he actually back?

[Splaya]

LOL, Destor, Lock Jaw and I got you guys good. :lol:








I didnt mean to get your hopes up :(

[The One]

Chris Jericho.

[The One]

http://www.steveswrestling.com/misc/chrisjericho.jpg

[El Fangel]

LOL, Destor, Lock Jaw and I got you guys good. :lol:
I didnt mean to get your hopes up :(

You can joke about me, my horse, my mother, my dog, my job, but neeeevvvveeerrrr eveeeeerrrrr joke about Jericho returning.

[Lock Jaw]

I never once joked about it. I just said that he was the best part of RAW. This statement is true. I never once said that he had returned.

[Destor]

I take full credit for this. With an asist from Splaya.

[El Fangel]

:mad:

[Splaya]

I take full credit for this. With an asist from Splaya.

I don't know what I was thinking. Getting the kids hopes up again about their wrestling idol coming back from being away. :'(















Oh wait, yeah I did :lol:

[El Fangel]

:'(

[Splaya]

And see this is where it all went down folks.


The Splaya heel turn

[Savio]

Why'd they show a Y2J Highlight?

[TerranRich]

Haven't they shown highlights of guys that don't work for WWE anymore in recent weeks?

[Savio]

Mideon?

[Jeritron]

I'm predicting in the few weeks after Wrestlemania. Maybe Backlash.
And hopefully out of goddamn nowhere.
Is Cena making another movie? If Orton and Cena are fueding for the belt at mania, it'd be nice to see Orton win the belt and then take out Cena for a while and him take some time off for a goddamn change.
then Jericho comes in and fueds with him for the title or somethin

[Testicle]

Jericho isn't coming back, I wan't him to but he won't

[KingofOldSchool]

Jericho is too busy getting his ass kicked on Celebrity Duets and getting his talk show canceled to bother coming back.

[Chavo Classic]

Jericho won't come back. sorry.

He's much more likely to appear on TNA... which unfortunately means having to watch Impact

[Jeritron]

haha how skeptical. I'm sorry to say it but Jericho can't exactly be Hulk Hogan rich, hes young, hes healthy and himself and friends have expressed that he'd like to return to the ring sometime.
Add to that the fact that he said he'd prefer to only ever work with WWE (where hes over and not being held back to the extent Christian or Rhyno)
Plus WWE pays more money, and gets him more exposure, and is the only way up for him.

I'm sorry but saying "He won't ever come back and if he does it will be to TNA" is just your own personal wishful thinking and/or skepticism of his return, it has no basis in logic or evidence.

[Volchok]

haha how skeptical. I'm sorry to say it but Jericho can't exactly be Hulk Hogan rich, hes young, hes healthy and himself and friends have expressed that he'd like to return to the ring sometime.
Add to that the fact that he said he'd prefer to only ever work with WWE (where hes over and not being held back to the extent Christian or Rhyno)
Plus WWE pays more money, and gets him more exposure, and is the only way up for him.

I'm sorry but saying "He won't ever come back and if he does it will be to TNA" is just your own personal wishful thinking and/or skepticism of his return, it has no basis in logic or evidence.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :lol: :rofl:

[Jeritron]

Its true. I didn't say he wasn't being held back at all. Most of us will agree Jericho could be more than he was. Nonetheless, he was a champion, headlined wrestlemanias and had creative freedom and was well used. Moreso than a disgruntled Rhyno or Christian who weren't getting ahead and weren't gonna.

[Destor]

Yeah people say Jericho was held back but if you look at all of his accomplishments he's achieved than enough to get into the Hall of Fame. Very successful career, just because they wanted him to do more they cant be happy.

[Jeritron]

I'll be the first to say Jericho should have been put over as the next big thing earlier and reach bigger heights, but thats because I'm a Jericho mark and believe he could have been more.
However its entirely wrong to say he was buried the way Christian and Rhyno or whoever were.
Hes a former champion, first ever Undisputed champion, has main evented a Wrestlemania, had that huge match with Shawn Michaels, was a mainstay of the main event picture and always used in high profile matches. He held the intercontinental title a record 7 times and is the 3rd of only 6 grand slam champions. He never missed a Raw or PPV in his time with the company and was always a part of meaningful segments and fueds, allowed to be enourmously entertaining.
He was never the Rock or Austin, but hes one of the all time great stars in the companies history.

[Jeritron]

Not to mention of the 6 superstars to become Grand Slam champions, he did it in the shortest period of time. It only took him 2 years to climb up the preverbial ladder that this accomplishment represents. It took years for Triple H and Shawn to reach that level.

[addy2hotty]

Chris Jericho was the most held-back wrestler of all time IMO, despite his accomplishments. Triple H was jealous of him. Shawn Michaels was jealous of him, The Rock was jealous of him, Austin was jealous of him. 7 IC titles doesn't mean shit sadly, considering fools like Batista never even held the title and have had more of a push than he ever had. I will never forgive them for the way they booked his UT run. Bastards every one of the WWE writers. Dogs and Stephanie McMahon is all anyone can remember.

/Jericho markism

Seriously though, Jericho, on what he acheived will be in the HoF eventually. As the son he always wanted, I'm happy with what he acheived. He could have been an all-time great in his peers' eyes, but he befell the monster that was Trips. Of all the talk of his awfully booked UT run, I will say this, it was one of the funniest things I've ever seen when he walked a dog carrying two title bets over his shoulders.

On a personal note, I shall leave you with this comment that Y2J made on his debut in 1999, and how well it relates to now.

'Welcome to Raw is Jericho!

And I am the new Millennium for the World Wrestling Federation.

Well, for those of you who don't know me, I am Chris Jericho, your new hero. Your party-host, and most importantly, the most charismatic showman to enter your living rooms via a television screen.

Now when you think of the new millennium, you think of an event so gigantic that it changes the course of history. You think of a dawning of a new era. In this case, the dawning of a new era in the WWF....thank you, thank you.

And a new era is what this once proud and profitable company sorely needs. Chris Jericho has come to save the WWF!

You couldn't care less about every single idiot in that dressing room, and espeically this idiot in the centre of the ring. You people have been led to believe that mediocrity is excellence...uh uh, Jericho is excellence.

And now, for the first time in WWF history, you have a man who can entertain you. You have a man who is good enough for you. You have a man who can make you jump up off your chairs, raise your filthy fat little hands in the air and scream 'Go Jericho Go, Go Jericho Go, Go Jericho Go!'...thank you.

The new millennium has arrived in the WWF. And now that the Y2J problem is here, this company, from the front office idiots to all the amateurs in the dressing room - including this one - to everybody watching tonight will never, e-e-e-ever be the same again.'

How true.

[Destor]

Most held back EVER!?! Nah not even close. The most prolific IC champ, unified the WCW and WWF titles, Grand Slam Champ, plus a WM ME. Nah not quite. Ted Dibiasie, Roddy Piper, Tully Blanchard, Owen Hart, or Jake Roberts just to name a FEW the out rank him. These guys got the short end. All ME material, yet none held the big one even once. (Except Piper, but they gave the WCW title to ANYBODY.) Jericho though maybe he should have been more, still accomplished a lot more than the people who came before him can say. I agree Jericho shouldn't of played second fiddle to steph during the WM angle, but one storyline doesn't ruin his career or qualify him to the most misused guy ever.

Ted Dibiase- In his early career he was winning belts left and right. The sky was the limit for this guy. Pre-WWF he had beaten Sgt.Slaughter, Dick Murdoch (who he also won the NWA United Sates Tag Titles with,) Jerry Lawler, JYD, Mr. Olympia, not to mention spending a lot of time in AJPW and he got serious pushes everywhere he went.

Then he goes to the WWF. He gets a serious push there as well. Until he ran into Hogan (I'm sure you know this story.) The Million Dollar Man set his eyes on the WWF Heavyweight title, and of course Hogan wouldn't job to this massively over guy, so Dibiase jobs, then he offers to purchase the belt from Hulk. Hogan refused so Dibiase enlisted Andre the Giant to help him. Andre defeated Hulk Hogan in one of the most controversial title changes in wrestling history, and The Giant did exactly what he said he would and immediately delivered the championship belt to Ted Dibiase. Yay, Dibiase has won the title in a well thought out story line to get around Hogans inability to job, BUT WAIT! Ted Diabase's title reign would be short-lived, as WWF President Jack Tunney stripped him and ordered a Tournament, in the process not recognizing his victory at all. It comes down to Dibiase and Savage and it looks like this story line is going to finally pan out for the Million Dollar Man, BUT NO! Savage wins. He then goes on to hold the belt for the next 365 when he then looses to Hogan. I smell a conspiracy.

It was always about Hogan, Dibiase should've won there, but he was royally fucked. A tournament that was designed because of his actions, so he can get the title with out having Hogan job to him, somehow becomes all about Hogan AGAIN. Great 2 1/2 years wasted right there.

After that he never really got the steam back. A few tag title reigns manager/leader of a stable of useless gimmicks. But that's it. One of the most talented Technical wrestlers of all time COMPLETELY wasted so that Hogan can have the spotlight. Jericho still sound like he's the worst?

Roddy Piper-This man lit the NWA on fire. He quickly became the most over heel in North America save Ric Flair. He one title after title, but when he hit the WWE, what happened? Hulk Hogan. He wouldn't touch gold again, despite making Hogan to a large degree, until he won the IC title in 92. 90 fuckn 2. I could go on a ten page rant about how Piper was misused, but I think that fact can stand by itself. 1984-1992. WHAT. THE. FUCK. Not even a "hey, you're the goods so here's the tag titles." Nothing.

Owen Hart-Unlike the others he wasn't that good starting out. He was passable, but nothing worthy of title contention. But it was when he started his feud with Bret that they really missed out. If only it were a hot shot and gave it to Owen for a month it would have been deserved. Almost a year of feuding for Owen to gain nothing is pathetic. Then in 1997 Owen breaks Austins neck. When Austin returns they trade the title but nothing comes of it. The there's Montreal, Brets gone to WCW and Owen is unhappy. Austin is heading to the ME. WHY WASN'T OWEN FOLLOWING AUSTIN RIGHT ALONG? All the cards were there for a serious ME feud between the two, but nothing. And before long Owen is the Blue Blazer again (a failed gimmick 10 years earlier,) talk about poor use.

Jake Roberts- Now this guy might have caused some of his own problems, but not all. Everywhere in the world he went up to the WWE he had held gold. But after the same could not be said. Jake spent 6 years with the WWF and never held any gold despite being one of their top draws.

Chris Jericho- Most Prolific IC champion (7 times.) Unified the WCW and WWF titles. Grand Slam Champion. ME Wrestle Mania. Yeah, that guy got held back.

[addy2hotty]

'/Jericho markism'

I agree Destor, hence my 'seriously though' bit. Jericho has acheived more than many have have or will.

You are way right about DiBiase. It's sad to read in print what that man was not allowed to achieve.

Owen, I think, would have had a big WWE title run a year or so along the line had he not passed away.

[Destor]

Apparently Owen was set to retire with in a year. Don't really know though. My point was his opportunity was there already.

Also I new you weren't being totally serious, but all the time Jericho marks float around saying how Jericho was SOOOOOOOO misused when it simply isn't the case, I had to take my oportunity to prove a point. Could he have been better handled, of course. There's few who I could say were handled perfectly anywhere, but they guy got some seriously impressive achievements.

I would like to point out something I find really cool: WM16 Jericho wins the European title. WM17 Jericho is the IC champ. WM18 Jericho is in the ME as WWE champion. Pretty sweet. Also the two guys who Jericho wrestled at WM16 went on to ME the two following years. Angle at WM19, and Benoit at WM20. Pretty cool.

[M-A-G]

Do I even need to talk about the awesomeness that is Jericho?

[D Mac]

Fuck that he needs to go to TNA.

[MLW]

Fuck TNA...He needs to come back to the WWE and take the title of that useless Cena!

[addy2hotty]

Fuck TNA...He needs to come back to the WWE and take the title of that useless Cena!

Yeah agreed, I just wonder though if he came straight back and went after Cena, whether that ring rust might give Cena the upper hand.

I'm sure Jericho hasn't been training hard enough, so it's too close to call really.

/itsstillrealtomedammit

[MLW]

Yeah agreed, I just wonder though if he came straight back and went after Cena, whether that ring rust might give Cena the upper hand.

I'm sure Jericho hasn't been training hard enough, so it's too close to call really.

/itsstillrealtomedammit

Even with ring rust Jericho is ten times the wrestler than Cena will ever be!

/whocaresifitisrealornotJerichorules

[Savio]

Jake said he never really wanted the title I think he said he refused one once.

[Jeritron]

I would like to point out something I find really cool: WM16 Jericho wins the European title. WM17 Jericho is the IC champ. WM18 Jericho is in the ME as WWE champion. Pretty sweet. Also the two guys who Jericho wrestled at WM16 went on to ME the two following years. Angle at WM19, and Benoit at WM20. Pretty cool.

Thats very cool, I've noticed that too. He rose through the ranks quickly and so did the other two. In fact, the 3 of them were extremely unique. 3 great talents and great wrestlers, who were very similar yet distinctly different. In 2000 their star power all skyrocketed immensely. They were the near-future of the company, and the WWE knew this. The Fully Loaded PPV that year was clearly all about them. But unfortunatley they failed to move the ball on them totally. Don't get me wrong, they all were well used, but were noticably held down due to the Rock, Austin, Triple H and Undertaker all being around.

Also, I always find it cool to watch wrestlemanias and see where the talent has come in a year. Its a benchmark to measure how a guy has progressed. Its cool to watch HHHs wrestlemanias, and Jerichos, and now Edge.

[Jeritron]

Chris Jericho was the most held-back wrestler of all time IMO, despite his accomplishments. Triple H was jealous of him. Shawn Michaels was jealous of him, The Rock was jealous of him, Austin was jealous of him. 7 IC titles doesn't mean shit sadly, considering fools like Batista never even held the title and have had more of a push than he ever had. I will never forgive them for the way they booked his UT run. Bastards every one of the WWE writers. Dogs and Stephanie McMahon is all anyone can remember.


I once felt exactly like you, honestly. I truly thought he was the next "torch carrier" in line from Hogan, Bret, Shawn, Austin, The Rock.
I've always whined about how he wasnt given his due, and in a lot of ways I still maintain this to be true. He definitely was given the shaft somewhere between 2000 and 2002. And it wasn't his fault. However as time goes on I learn not to focus on the negative completely. We Jerichoholics and most intelligent wrestling fans know what could have been, but we can't change what was. Nevertheless, he had/may still have a great career in professional wrestling. He's held just about every title in the industry. Hes given us all these great moments and had a lot of great moments and accomplishments. Put us total Jericho-marks in the shoes of those who are the same way about other wrestlers. Things could be worse, much worse.
And besides, its not over til the fat lady sings. If its any consolation, sometimes it takes absence for someone to notice. Jericho returning to the WWE would make him as over as ever, and an ace in the hole in a time where they need over, charasmatic, youthful but veteran talent.
Perhaps we haven't seen the best of Jericho yet...

[Jeritron]

Jake said he never really wanted the title I think he said he refused one once.

I hate to say it, but Jake the snake is a blithering idiot. This guy once said about Chris Jericho, "a major failure. He's been given everything that HOGAN has and MORE and hasn't been able to run with it"
I liked Jake as much as the next mark, until I grew up and learnt about who he really is and some of the shit hes said like this.

[addy2hotty]

I once felt exactly like you, honestly. I truly thought he was the next "torch carrier" in line from Hogan, Bret, Shawn, Austin, The Rock.
I've always whined about how he wasnt given his due, and in a lot of ways I still maintain this to be true. He definitely was given the shaft somewhere between 2000 and 2002. And it wasn't his fault. However as time goes on I learn not to focus on the negative completely. We Jerichoholics and most intelligent wrestling fans know what could have been, but we can't change what was. Nevertheless, he had/may still have a great career in professional wrestling. He's held just about every title in the industry. Hes given us all these great moments and had a lot of great moments and accomplishments. Put us total Jericho-marks in the shoes of those who are the same way about other wrestlers. Things could be worse, much worse.
And besides, its not over til the fat lady sings. If its any consolation, sometimes it takes absence for someone to notice. Jericho returning to the WWE would make him as over as ever, and an ace in the hole in a time where they need over, charasmatic, youthful but veteran talent.
Perhaps we haven't seen the best of Jericho yet...

That was my point, when Jericho was being fed to Cena and fired like a bitch instead of getting a decent send-off that he deserved. I felt like that.

Realistically, if the guy retired now, you can't really fault his career. 7 IC title runs, countless tag runs, 3 time World Champ, the first ever undisputed champ, headlined Wrestlemania against Triple H at the point the company was at its peak, the man has done it all.

I don't blame Jericho for looking for other avenues for his career. Sadly, he's not muscle bound enough to be a movie star of any magnitude and plus, he never got the mainstream exposure that befell Austin & The Rock.

If he ever came back, unannounced, perhaps as the new GM of ECW, I would go crazy. If he went to TNA, I would watch every week. If he went to SD, I would watch every week. The guy is the one person in Wrestling that would make me do that.

I hope he comes back, 'to save the WWE', but I'm not holding my breath.

[Jeritron]

I think he will. Either way I'm watching whatever hes on. If hes on EWTN reading passages fromt he bible at 3am I'm gonna stay up to watch it for christ sakes.
Yes, his send off sucked but hey, theres been worse. They bookede him in a title fued and kayfabe explained his leaving. Most guys just dissapear. Its not a permenant send off anyways. Its not like I ever expected him to win the title and vacate it. They didnt even do that for Foley.
Jericho will be back.