The Million Dollar Challenge [[Turning Point SPOILERS]]

[Fox]

At Turning Point tonight, BG James and Kip James, collectively known as the Voodoo Kin Mafia, performed a skit mimicking Shawn Michaels and Triple H in their DX routine. It was pretty stupid and not at all entertaining, but things got kind of interesting when BG got on the mic and put out the "Million Dollar Challenge."

They're apparently putting up one million dollars to fight Shawn Michaels and Triple H in either TNA or WWE. It's also a challenge to Vince McMahon, saying that Vince has the power to let this happen or not happen, and it will prove if he has balls or not.

I think this whole thing is really fucking stupid. If these guys can't find anything more interesting to do than stir up old shit from 2000, then maybe they should go back to the drawing board and figure out a real gimmick. I'm sure this whole thing is also prostituted by Vince fucking piece of shit Russo, who obviously has a grudge against WWE and Vince, for his own stupid fucking mistake.

Anyways, it might be interesting to see if McMahon and Co. respond at all. Chances are they'll just stay quiet, like they did when Bischoff challenged Vince to a fight at a WCW PPV, and the James' will end up looking pretty stupid. Or more so.


Thoughts?

[The Fugitive]

Like Vince, Trips or HBK needs their million dollars.

[Destor]

VKM proves yet again to be the worst thing in wrestling today. This segment was bad. Really bad. Worse than the Vince/JR's ass thing by a long shot. At least there it wasn't meant to be taken seriously. Btw, nothing will come of this. They will be ignored and continue to do these stupid skits until they do something to "claim victory." All the while everyone who watches outside of the iMPACT! Zone will call them retarded.

[Blitz]

It is nothing short of a fucking astrological phenomenon the way this angle just keeps getting worse.

[Übermensch]

This does nothing but frame the WWE as the company that others are to be measured up against, an idea TNA should be working to diminish.

[DRBailey]

Whoever wrote the news at 411 has the plan. Totally agree w/ Ubermensch , if Vince called their bluff they'd be up the proverbial creek. Didn't work for WCW (mind you when Vince Russo booked neither did the 'shoot' atmosphere, same with TNA w/ his first run)

VKM could work if they were more subtle with it, or even more sophisticated with it. For a no.2 promotion they're not exactly setting the world on fire with his sort of angle. At least , from what I hear, they're working on Samoa Joe like a beast but I just hope he moves on from Angle...

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't know, I mean people are going to be checking out TNA more and more in coming weeks, what with Kurt Angle jumping over there, and having a team point out how stupid the WWE is could play out to be a smart move, in my opinion.

I don't think Voodoo Kin Mafia is the team to do it, though. Kevin Nash, Alex Shelley and Austin Starr would be much more enjoyable, as the irony isn't there. Maybe Matt Morgan? The guy is huge, can talk, Cornette is a fan of him. Try using this to get over new stars, rather than taking two guys who used to be a good tag team, and wasting time on PPV that could go to new stars.

[Juan]

LAME

[St. Jimmy]

Where the fuck would Roadie get a cool million? I didn't know drug addicts were really good with money. Go figure.

[Destor]

LOL, I didn't even think about that. No way he actually has the money.

[Blitz]

lol that would be fucking hilarious if Vince actually said OK, and then VKM is like "Well..............We don't actually have the money...."

[rob11]

lol that would be fucking hilarious if Vince actually said OK, and then VKM is like "Well..............We don't actually have the money...."
HHH and HBK go over...

VKM:Will cash be ok?
Vince:Absolutely
VKM:Well then, we've got a problem. The banks are closed by now
Vince:It's 12:15 in the afternoon...
VKM:Maybe your big wrestling star banks are opened crazy hours, but we in TNA are simple folk. We like our ratings low, and our banks closed.......

Props for the ref even though it's an easy one.

[Blitz]

Simpsons, of course.

[Blitz]

Then HHH takes a flamethrower to VKM, Stewie_style.

[rob11]

Then HHH takes a flamethrower to VKM, Stewie_style.
Followed by shooting them both in the knees. Where's my money bitch!

[.44 Magdalene]

Simpsons, Compton.

[.44 Magdalene]

FUCK

[CSL]

We like our ratings low, and our banks closed.......

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[Impact!]

Same

[Chuck Jones]

They'll probably get the money from Dixie Carter. I mean whats another $1 million when you have already lost $25 million.

[Xero]

Just one more fact to throw into the "WCW 3.0" bin.

[tucsonspeed6]

. I'm sure this whole thing is also prostituted by Vince fucking piece of shit Russo, who obviously has a grudge against WWE and Vince, for his own stupid fucking mistake.

I agree with everything except that line. If Russo had a grudge against WWE, he would have plastered it all over his book. He called McMahon a genius no less than a dozen times throughout the entire book. If Russo is writing it, his hand is being guided by somebody else.


I don't know, I mean people are going to be checking out TNA more and more in coming weeks, what with Kurt Angle jumping over there, and having a team point out how stupid the WWE is could play out to be a smart move, in my opinion.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm put off by Angle's antics. The WWE bashing over there on TNA is to be expected, but the level at which they do it is tacky. The casual fan of WWE doesn't even know where Angle is, and anyone who does has probably heard about Kurt "butt sex" Angle's radio antics and it doesn't really drive the masses to switch over. Neither does VKM's crap.


lol that would be fucking hilarious if Vince actually said OK, and then VKM is like "Well..............We don't actually have the money...."

They said either TNA or WWE. If I were McMahon, I'd take the challenge, but book them on WWE as returning New Age Outlaws, more heelish than ever and trying to take over DX. Book the matches Invasion style, having DX win every step of the way, then take the million bucks as promised. VKM might try shooting on DX, but WWE could just cut off the mics and replace their voices with other stuff, ala DX screwing with McMahon mixed with a little Kaientai. In the match, if VKM tried to shoot wrestle, I doubt they could still outwrestle HHH, but if they could, it's just a hop/skip/jump from the backstage to the ring for somebody like Cena or Carlito to step in. Faces have cheated against heels before, and with a little convincing from the announcers, DX would still come out looking squeeky clean. In the end, the more VKM would be their typical assinine selves, the more like the Outsiders they'd look like. It'd be a great thing for the WWE.

[Caged Heat18]

VKM just gets more and more ridiculous by the week. They should be feuding with young tag teams in TNA and putting them over to help establish new teams. Instead of feuding with a tag team in another fed who they are never going to fight. It is such a waste of time and they need to take their own advice and just stop.

[PullMyFinger]

At first VKM were funny, but now they're flat out annoying.

But then again, I think Alienoid may hold a pt...I think the casual find who hears about this might tune into TNA more and more....when compared to people like us who have known about TNA for a while now.

[addy2hotty]

VKM strike me as the a-typical 'woman scorned' who will do anything to get their ex's attention. Then when the ex ignores them, the woman runs off to her friends and they all discuss what a 'bastard' he is. Then again, I wouldn't mind an ex throwing a mil my way to get my attention.

The newsreader skits were quite funny, this is borderline insanity. I love the way they are ignoring it on WWE programming though.

[Batsu]

TNA needs to forget the other guys exist.

[Stickman]

By the way, wtf is a Voodoo Kin Mafia? I know VKM is a shot at Vince, but is Voodoo Kin Mafia just three words thrown together or is there a reference?

[St. Jimmy]

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If you haven't seen this shitfest yet...

[D Mac]

I guess Vince will just have to buy them out.

[weather vane]

aahah I love this

you guys take it WAYYYYYYYYY too seriously

[jcmoorehead]

So regarding VKMs words, has Vince and WWE actually done/said anything regarding their parodies/skits or are TNA and VKM pulling this out of their asses to get attention?

[MLW]

He is saying they want a real fight??? Well if vince was going to actually listen to those loosers he could just send like Batista and Lashley and have them rip the heads of those loosers...

[Impact!]

Are you an idiot, or do you just not listen?

[What Would Kevin Do?]

That's incredibly lame.

[LK]

I think West sums it up well at one point - "this is bad"

Love that stuff about never backing either of them considering the fact that both won more titles and were involved in significantly bigger angles when they were in WWE compared to the shit they do in TNA, eg what we just watched.

[Xero]

Is the Irony of that supposed to be that adding these horrid parodies to their own shows is making them look shittier than the guys they're "at war" with?

[Disturbed316]

Its pointless stuff like this that keeps me from watching TNA, so fucking pathetic.

[Disturbed316]

Also, the parodies are at least 2 months out of date, queers.

[BloodRiotZero]

Sooo what is exactly wrong with this segment? It was entertaining, it was a parody of what the competition is doing (competition that obviously IS the measuring bar in North America), the crowd was into it, it advanced what VKM was doing... I saw nothing wrong with this segment whatsoever. Some of you people complain over anything.

VKM has been some of the most entertaining TV on wrestling in the past few weeks. Hell, w/o a doubt TNA has been the best sports-entertainment on TV for the past few weeks/couple of months. ECW sucks, RAW and SmackDown BLOW.

[Volare]

Any TNA crowd gets excited by anything...that's why it looks lame as shit.

[Xero]

Sooo what is exactly wrong with this segment? It was entertaining, it was a parody of what the competition is doing (competition that obviously IS the measuring bar in North America), the crowd was into it, it advanced what VKM was doing... I saw nothing wrong with this segment whatsoever. Some of you people complain over anything.
So, you'd rather have that segment than, say, an extra ten minutes or so of wrestling?

Instead of spending ten minutes on a pay per view (or TV for that matter) for a storyline that nothing will come out of (it's a really bad attempt at publicity) they should be pushing a new star.

TNA has become what WCW was and what WWE has become (to a lesser extent): They're using all their big-name wrestlers and not putting over any of the wrestlers of "tomorrow". TNA always talks about that they're the tomorrow of wrestling (or whatever the fuck they say) and yet they're pushing only a handful of new talent and focusing on the Angles, Jarretts, Stings, Nashes, etc.

They're digging themselves deeper with, as I said, storylines that will have no outcome that will benefit the company.

[McLegend]

But you need the big name talent to get big.

Mind you they should still focus more on younger talent, but having those names in there IMO is a good thing.

[Xero]

But you need the big name talent to get big.

Mind you they should still focus more on younger talent, but having those names in there IMO is a good thing.
I agree, they DO need the big names there. But NOT to be on top of the company. One or two in the main event is fine, but TNA is using their big names as their main draws, and are giving them the most spotlight and the lower talent is suffering.

What happens when the Nashes, Angles and Jarretts are gone? You're left with wrestlers who weren't pushed enough and will be harder to get over in the long run.

Sure, guys like Styles, Joe and Daniels will get over, but take away the big names and you really don't have many feuds that would bring in the money with guys like that at this stage. Just because they can stick a good match in the main event doesn't mean it's going to draw on wrestling alone, and by not building lower guys up enough they're going to suffer when the time comes to shift to them.

TNA has a solid mid-card, no doubt, but they're falling victim to over-pushing the main eventers, where they build up the guys who are already over and let the mid-carders mean jack-shit.

If people are only watching your show for wrestlers from another organization who jumped and not your own (and let's face it, more people are tuning into see the Angles and the Christians than the AJ's and the Abysses), you're in some deep shit I'd say.

[TerranRich]

What happens when the Nashes, Angles and Jarretts are gone? You're left with wrestlers who weren't pushed enough and will be harder to get over in the long run.
This, my friends, was what sent WCW into a downward spiral. It seems to be the potential downfall of any promotion.

[TerranRich]

I've always thought AJ Styles could be a great main-eventer. When I heard that he had held the NWA title at least once, I was like "WTF? When? And what happened to him since then?"

TNA doesn't know how to KEEP guys in the main event that should be there.

[The One]

OH WOULD YOU PLEASE SHUT UP!

VKM is good. As someone earlier pointed out, they spent a few minutes of doing a parody, then they cut a good promo, the crowd was into it and are realy backing VKM. It's not usless TV that goes no where...it leads to VKM being able to for the rest of their run bring up the fact that they helped build the house of DX, and that clearly they were the bigger and better men of the group. Will that draw huge numbers? Probably not. But what happens when some casual fan who watched during the attitude era happens to catch that. He reflects and thinks to himself, "Why yes, the New Age Outlaws did a lot of what I liked about DX. Maybe I stay and watch them." The Bischoff challenge to McMahon was on thing, this Million Dollar Challenge causes all the dumb people (and let's face facts, a good percentage of wrestling fans are dumb) to think, "Geee-Wiz! DX is so scared of VKM, they won't fight them even if it's at a WWE show and they got a million bucks for it. The pussies!"

As for this turning into WCW bullshit, please quite yourself now. WCW had two, I will repeat, two stars to get over the big boys during it's run. Goldberg and to a much much lesser extent, Booker T (and even that was only towards it's dying days). TNA doesn't focus their show on the old guys. Look at the programs the old people are in; Angle just finished fueding with TNA's main star Samoa Joe...and Angle PUT JOE OVER in the end. Sting, fueding with Abyss and Christian, and say what you will, I think when Christian's career is up, he will be remember for Edge & Christian, but for his single's carer it will be all about what he did in TNA. He has earned his TNA strips and I think he is a good conidate for one of their main stay focal stars. Jeff Jarrett does get too much air time, but the fact is he is the only person who all of the TNA fans can get behind and boo. He is simply the most over heel. No one cheers him. Everyone hates him. And TNA marks will tune in if they think he will get beat. That's a heel's job. And how dare you say TNA focuses on Kevin Nash. He is in 5 minute segments with a bunch of X-Division guys, and despite not getting in the ring, he has made Alex Shelley and Austin Starr recognizable names in the TNA vocabulary. TNA is not making the same star power mistakes of WCW.

And finaly, for someone who was bitching about how TNA marks pop for everything. Is that such a bad thing? Hell I see so many TPWWers on their knees 24/7 sucking the not so impressive dick of RoH, and their marks pop for fucking armdrags. Personally, I think they go overboard with the chants and cheers, but at least their into the product. WWE audiences get more quite every week. Hell last night they resorted to Cena throwing money into the crowd to get a reaction. So I say, who cares if TNA marks pop for every monkey flip spot under the sun, it doesn't mean that's TNA's fault.

Now, this is NOT saying TNA is perfect, or even that good. Hell no one jumps on attacking the product of wrestling more than me. But if your going to attack TNA, attack them for the areas which are their fault. This whole hating VKM thing I simply do not get. Is it their best stuff? No. But I'll tell you this much, I'd take VKM over DX any day of the week.

[Destor]

Tovo, you're a mark for Gunn. Your view is skewed.

[The One]

I admit I pop for Gunn like pre-teen girls pop for boys who look like girls. But that doesn't mean I was wrong. Most of my comments were about the TNA product on a whole, which I more than most spend my time speaking out about how terrible TNA is on a whole.

[Destor]

VKM is good. To be fair, I read that and stopped.

[The One]

Watch me try and contain my shock. :D

[The Fugitive]

Jeff Jarrett does get too much air time, but the fact is he is the only person who all of the TNA fans can get behind and boo. He is simply the most over heel. No one cheers him. Everyone hates him.

:shifty:

[BloodRiotZero]

Yeah, Jarrett has had a shitload of airtime in the past two months... -_-

To whoever asked would I have rather watched an extra 10 minutes of wrestling instead of the VKM segment, to that I say NO! The rest of the show already had enough wrestling on it, it's nice to have a break in between matches. Especially since I don't feel there was anything wrong w/ the segment and found it entertaining. And believe me, 10 minutes on a PPV is NOT taking time away from putting a young guy over. Joe just beat the best wrestler in the world today, Abyss just beat 2 former NWA champions, one of who is one of the most recognizable names of the past 2 decades, Konnan's giving Homicide and Hernandez the rub, and Kevin Nash is making Shelly and Starr more recognizable than a 5-star wrestling match could have ever done for them. Yeah, TNA's really going down WCW's path.....

[The One]

Also, I would like to point out, that on a forum that rarely talks about angles, more just about specific wrestlers...there are THREE VKM related thread on the main page. No publicity is bad publicity, and apparently within the wrestling fan community, they are getting people talking.

[V]

i wud totlly pedigre th0z guyes if i wuz triple hhh

[D Mac]

I was thinking, since I'm going to New Year's Revolution I wonder if VKM will show up outside the arena! That would rule.

[Fox]

I agree, they DO need the big names there. But NOT to be on top of the company. One or two in the main event is fine, but TNA is using their big names as their main draws, and are giving them the most spotlight and the lower talent is suffering.

What happens when the Nashes, Angles and Jarretts are gone? You're left with wrestlers who weren't pushed enough and will be harder to get over in the long run.

Sure, guys like Styles, Joe and Daniels will get over, but take away the big names and you really don't have many feuds that would bring in the money with guys like that at this stage. Just because they can stick a good match in the main event doesn't mean it's going to draw on wrestling alone, and by not building lower guys up enough they're going to suffer when the time comes to shift to them.

TNA has a solid mid-card, no doubt, but they're falling victim to over-pushing the main eventers, where they build up the guys who are already over and let the mid-carders mean jack-shit.

If people are only watching your show for wrestlers from another organization who jumped and not your own (and let's face it, more people are tuning into see the Angles and the Christians than the AJ's and the Abysses), you're in some deep shit I'd say.

I don't see how you can even use Kurt Angle as an example, when he's only been in the company for 2 months, and has had exactly one feud, which has been in the MAIN EVENT, with Samoa Joe. Joe, I might add, happens to be the biggest young up and comers in the company.

Jeff Jarrett hasn't been seen since Bound for Glory. I know he'll probably be back, and his strangle hold on TNA's main event/title scene has already been noted as one of their major drawbacks. But for now, he's not in the main event, and he's not even on TV.

Kevin Nash isn't wrestling. He's actually helping to elevate the younger talent in TNA; guys like Alex Shelley, Austin Starr, Sonjay Dutt, and anyone else in the X-Division he comes in contact with. He's using his own star power to put over the new generation of wrestlers. That's something you never saw in WCW. This Paparazzi Productions thing is the best thing to happen to TNA in a long time.

Sting is also helping to put over another generation of wrestlers, simply by wrestling with them in the main event.

Who says we aren't going to see main event feuds between Angle and Daniels, or Angle and Styles? And who says those feuds aren't going to help turn Styles and Daniels, and all the other younger wrestlers they face, into the new generation of main event stars in TNA?

[Fox]

Not to mention Rhino, LAX, America's Most Wanted, Serotonin and Raven, Robert Roode and Eric Young. All of them have been getting a reasonable amount of TV time for a 1-hour program.