Has WWE invest too much money into John Cena's charachter..

[RP]

just to scrap him? Is that why he's constantly being booed, yet still the #1 face of the company? If thats not the reason, then what is? I cant think of another reason. I've said this before, i think WWE is doing this shit on purpous. I think they are tanking it so that TNA can catch up and they can have a ratings war. Probably with the tought that a ratings war would produce more ratings overall for WWE.

I just cant figure out why Cena hasnt gotten pushed back down yet.

[Chavo Classic]

Because he's not getting boo'd by everywhere. The WWE has succeeded in this because -

a) They've managed to push away all the casual fans and smarks with their terrible shows, leaving only the 13 year old Cena fans who naturally cheer for him. And...
b) They only hear what they want to hear anyway.

[RP]

Because he's not getting boo'd by everywhere. The WWE has succeeded in this because -

a) They've managed to push away all the casual fans and smarks with their terrible shows, leaving only the 13 year old Cena fans who naturally cheer for him. And...
b) They only hear what they want to hear anyway.

you're way to simple minded. Business men dont tank there businesses on purpouse unless they think it will benefit them in the long run. That said, they just dont do it.

You dont run a family business for 20 years and then all of a sudden, just not listen to the opinions of your fans and most of your income basically. Theirs a major difference between a guy whos getting booed cause he's good at it and a guy whos getting booed cause he's just not working out and basically sucks balls.

All the over the top shit that WWE has put out and called there product over the past 6 months is just very strange. Nothing makes any sense. It feels like i'm watching a movie thats been cut up in 30 different clips and played out of order.

Its been said before, but it seems like WWE just wants us to stop watching and go watch another product.

[Chavo Classic]

I think to an extent that they listen to the fans. Prime examples would be the Matt Hardy saga, CM Punk's push and perhaps even the reemergence of ECW. However, with Cena they've been completely ignorant.

He's their pet project. Their posterboy. Their top guy. The problem is that compared to eight years ago when they perhaps would've recognised there was an issue with their next top star and done something to change their direction, they've invested too much and gone too far to put it into reverse gear. It would be an admission of their own shortfallings, which they don't do liberally.

I don't think anyone wants to take the blame on this one.

[Kane Knight]

you're way to simple minded. Business men dont tank there businesses on purpouse unless they think it will benefit them in the long run. That said, they just dont do it.

AND YET...

Cena was getting mixed reactions since well before they had gone all out on him.

[Batsu]

I, like many here, just think his on-air persona sucks. Overbooked, overhyped, and we all can see why it's happening. Problem is, Cena is the charismatic kind of worker that he could "Rocky Maivia" his way out of it, but WWE creative won't dare allow that if it gets in the way of their precious merchandise sales.

[Chavo Classic]

...but WWE creative won't dare allow that if it gets in the way of their precious merchandise sales.

Yeh, but even in this very scope they dont realise two long terms flaws with this -

a) Eventually the market will be saturated with Cena merch. How many foam hands and Cena shirts can you sell to each kid?

b) If they depushed Cena, or even turned him heel, they could sell more merchandise across the board. Push other people in his place and sell their merch. Or even sell 'heel' Cena merch.

[The One]

I know I posted somehing very similar to this recently...so here is the answer as to why McMahon does it...

1) McMahon is more concerned with creating a media empire than he is about creating a good wrestling show.

2) John Cena is an incredibly naturally charismatic man and when he makes media tours on radio, talk show, etc., he makes a wonderful impression on everyone.

3) He is good looking...infact wasn't he just placed on People Sexiest List?

4) Basically it comes down to John Cena is a great person to be the "face" of professional wrestling to the outside world.

Secert Answer #5) He does not get as mixed reactions as people say. At this point, he has a solid 90% cheering section. Cena-Bashing is sort of 2005/early 2006. At this point I think most anti-Cena fans accept him just stay quite.

[Kane Knight]

I always thought Cena was kind of Goofy looking.

The One, in answer tosecret answer #5, I'd say that his "mixed reaction" has disappeared due to decreased viewership. I'd also say 90% is a major exageration, but that's another argument.

When the ratings dropped from the 3.6 rating to the 3.0 area, the boos disappeared. Since then, Cena doesn't really get booed, but then, WWE has been unable to reach much higher than 3.0 for more than a week at a time, and has also spent a lot of time below 3.0. Yeah, Cena hating is over. WWE won. It's called a pyrrhic victory. The reactions also sound a bit less powerful overall, though I'm admittedly unsure I'm quantifying this properly.

But if your only goal is to not get Cena booed, this is a decent solution.

[Skippord]

Less bad apples is why Cena isnt getting booed as much

[The One]

I don't keep track of RAW ratings, so I didn't know there was a drop like that recently. But Skip might have a point. Those damn bad apples stoped giving money, if WWE refuses to accept a decline in viewership under Cena's reign as reflective of either Cena or DX (which clearly they do) and all that's left is small markish children...well...might as well give the remaining audeince what they want...or something...eh...

Oh and, yes, Cena is hot.

[Kane Knight]

I don't find him hot. Then again, Steven Tyler's also made those lists, and he needed Plastic Surgery to keep him from accidentally swalloing his children...

And yes, a .6 ratings drop has occurred. Many episodes of Raw have been under 3.0. A consistant .6 drop is evident, and shows something is wrong. One hour was below 3 last week, too. It's hard to say "bad apples" when that large a chunk disappeared.

[Skippord]

ITS ALL THE BAD APPLES FAULT!!!!!!

[Kane Knight]

AND WWE, while it is doing AWESOME, could LOSE IT ALL because JOHN CENA IS MAKE IT or BREAK IT RAAARRRR SNORT

[Kane Knight]

Anyone else wonder if Vermaat was Jim Ross? I mean, he always tried to push everything as though it was the best ever, though there was some slim but major threat...

[Londoner]

^ Make it or break it does sound like something JR would say, hmmm...

[addy2hotty]

Of course the WWE hasn't invested too much in John Cena. In their eyes, the guy is a huge success. Girls scream, children cry, men boo. He's the 'most controversial WWE Champion of all time' becuase of what a success is.

However, defining 'meh' as 'controversial' is something that could only be related to John.

He's had a hugely successul album, a hugely successful movie. Everyone loves him. Everybody wins. If John Cena left the WWE to persue, what could be, a mammoth movie career, then well, please welcome your WWE Champion - The Masterpiece, Chris Masters!

[The One]

...I can't tell...are you legit saying Marine and "You Can't See Me" were successful?

Nevermind Hugely Successful.

[MLW]

They have destroyed Cena to the point where I sont think he can be saved...they should never have destroyed his gang thing...I MISS THE CHAIN!!!

[addy2hotty]

...I can't tell...are you legit saying Marine and "You Can't See Me" were successful?

Nevermind Hugely Successful.

I had a moment of 'chain gang soldier' weakness.

[The One]

Uh, Marine is not going to make the 8% mark that is the stanard in the entertainment industry, and "You Can't See Me" was less successful than WWE The Music.

Neither were terrible investments, but one could hardly come close to saying they were hugely successful.

[addy2hotty]

Uh, Marine is not going to make the 8% mark that is the stanard in the entertainment industry, and "You Can't See Me" was less successful than WWE The Music.

Neither were terrible investments, but one could hardly come close to saying they were hugely successful.

Think like a WWE yes man, you can smell the success.

In all seriousness though, I wish The Marine would have been a success, therfore John could have followed his heart to Hollywood and stayed there. And yes, I would prefer Masters as champion to Cena right now.

[The One]

An interesting note, if you divide opening weekend by the number of screnes they showed on, See No Evil made more money per screne than The Marine did.

[Londoner]

And yes, I would prefer Masters as champion to Cena right now.

Amazingly, so would I.

[Kane Knight]

Think like a WWE yes man, you can smell the success.

Yes, but I can also smell my last two brain cells frying.

[Kane Knight]

An interesting note, if you divide opening weekend by the number of screnes they showed on, See No Evil made more money per screne than The Marine did.

And neither were hugely successful.

[Londoner]

Yes, but I can also smell my last two brain cells frying.

You can't think like a WWE yes man if you still have two brain cells left...

[The One]

And neither were hugely successful.

No, and I doubt Triple H's new Western Movie or Austin's new...whatever his movie is about...will be successful. But never the less, there is a chain of sucessfullness, even in the loser section.

Vince is a terrible producer, but at least it's not Gigli.

[addy2hotty]

Triple H's new Western Movie

Are you fucking kidding me? I've not heard about this.

What's the plot, Triple H plays 'Mad Dog Helmsley' who comes to the western town of Victoria, Texas, beats Billy The Kid in a card game and procedes to hold the rest of the cowboys down?

[Kane Knight]

Are you fucking kidding me? I've not heard about this.

What's the plot, Triple H plays 'Mad Dog Helmsley' who comes to the western town of Victoria, Texas, beats Billy The Kid in a card game and procedes to hold the rest of the cowboys down?

Journey of the Dead Man, set for 07. It was the first WWE films movie announced.

[Kane Knight]

No, and I doubt Triple H's new Western Movie or Austin's new...whatever his movie is about...will be successful. But never the less, there is a chain of sucessfullness, even in the loser section.

Vince is a terrible producer, but at least it's not Gigli.

I thought The Marine was horribly underrated. It wasn't a great flick, but in terms of an action flick, it should have held its own against the pack.

[addy2hotty]

Journey of the Dead Man, set for 07. It was the first WWE films movie announced.

I had no idea it was going to be a western. Guess they're trying to cover all the genres one by one.

Next, Umaga stars as 'Captain Ron Dangermouse' in 'Living In The Stars', a sci-fi spectacular also starring Michael Shanks, Christopher Judge and Alice Krige.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I know I posted somehing very similar to this recently...so here is the answer as to why McMahon does it...

1) McMahon is more concerned with creating a media empire than he is about creating a good wrestling show.

2) John Cena is an incredibly naturally charismatic man and when he makes media tours on radio, talk show, etc., he makes a wonderful impression on everyone.

3) He is good looking...infact wasn't he just placed on People Sexiest List?

4) Basically it comes down to John Cena is a great person to be the "face" of professional wrestling to the outside world.

Secert Answer #5) He does not get as mixed reactions as people say. At this point, he has a solid 90% cheering section. Cena-Bashing is sort of 2005/early 2006. At this point I think most anti-Cena fans accept him just stay quite.

1) While I tend to agree with you, is John Cena the guy on which to base a media empire? Granted, he's had a CD, and a movie, but as you have stated, both pretty much sucked at making the WWE cash.

2) This is probably true, he is a very humble man, and he does seem to rub people the right way. I'm pretty sure Paul London or Brian Kendrick could rub people the right way, too.

3) I agree with Kane Knight, the guy has always looked like an ape/wigger child to me, but the girls seem to love him, and I can't really argue with The One. Even if I think the guy is ugly as Hell, he does make the lists, and women do cheer him, but I have to pose this question: Is Cena's attractiveness the reason he's a success, or is his success the reason people find him more attractive? Let's take Paul London and Brian Kendrick again. If they were pushed to the moon like John Cena, don't you think they'd be just as, if not more, attractive to the media?

4) If he's such a great face, why has business depleted? Why did Stone Cold Steve Austin do in a single WWE Title win what John Cena hasn't been able to do with three WWE Championship reigns?

I'm not arguing to be an ass, I'm just posing more questions on the issue.

Ironically, I believe the reason John Cena has failed so badly, is because the WWE spent too much money on him in the first place. When John Cena took the WWE United States Championship and turned it into the silver spinner belt, that's when a lot of people began to sour on Cena. It was just a pointless expense. It really didn't do anything, except maybe create a prop they could market to make some extra cash here or there.

Then there was the 2005 Royal Rumble fiasco. That giant spaceship/rampy thingy. What the fuck was up with that? The guy's meant to be all "Fuck the World!" and rebellious, yet he has an entrance that reeked of glamour and managerial support.

Glamour in wrestling should belong to the heels. That doesn't mean a face can't be stylish: Ring attire is probably the easiest example of reasonable babyface stylish expression, but the big entrances, streamers, even some pyrotechnic effects, should be saved exclusively for heels, as if to say "Look at the money I've got backing me, I'm more an entertainer than a sportsperson".

The WWE's best bet to getting John Cena back into the good graces of the non-casual fan, is to get rid of that crappy spinner belt. Have Umaga smash it, or something (that was an idea I read of someone else's here), and then have John Cena bring back the eagle Championship, or the undisputed Championship belt. Cut out that Marine shit. John Cena didn't serve, what the fuck is the point? I think it's more offencive than anything else, and it makes the bastard seem corny as all Hell.

I'm still under the impression that the WWE must realise John Cena will one day be the top heel of World Wrestling Entertainment. That can be the only reason they keep the fuck looking so strong, so that when he does turn, people will be able to buy him as a huge obstacle for the up-and-coming babyface to overthrow. Nothing against Edge or Randy Orton, but let's face it, neither is the most credible guy walking the face of the Earth.

That is the only reason I can think to keep Cena looking so strong, even when business is being so shitty.

[Kane Knight]

I had no idea it was going to be a western. Guess they're trying to cover all the genres one by one.

Next, Umaga stars as 'Captain Ron Dangermouse' in 'Living In The Stars', a sci-fi spectacular also starring Michael Shanks, Christopher Judge and Alice Krige.

I hear he's going to star in Wormhole X-Treme as the alien robot who eats people.

[Kane Knight]

4) If he's such a great face, why has business depleted? Why did Stone Cold Steve Austin do in a single WWE Title win what John Cena hasn't been able to do with three WWE Championship reigns?

Because he's talking outsside the WWE, where he comes off as presentable. He's easilly liked and comes off as genuinely charming.

Note that WWE's stock is at a 5 year high.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Because he's talking outsside the WWE, where he comes off as presentable. He's easilly liked and comes off as genuinely charming.

Note that WWE's stock is at a 5 year high.

I see what you're saying, but question 2) was much the same theory. The guy may be likeable and charming, but is that something John Cena uniquely posses?

I inferred "outside the wrestling world" to mean to the media, the average non-fan, etc. That is to ask, "is this person a draw". Is John Cena a draw? Fuck no. If The One meant stock and promotional to family groups, etc., then I apologise for misinterpreting. Go back five years and you get the days of Stone Cold and The Rock, anyway. So my point still stands.

[The One]

He isn't on the level of "Pop Culture" that Rock or Austin were...but right now he is probably the best wrestler to show the world and say "This is him."

Is he the best choice? Probably not. But he does a damn good job of it. He is fantastic outside of the ring. He can make little pop ups in various shows and people love him. People who don't know wrestling love him. The fact is he is that guy, and WWE has spent millions of dollars making him that. Would we have possibly chosen someone else? Hell yeah. Chris Jericho for one. But what's done is done, and at this point, WWE wants to make as much off their investment as possible.

(If I made some type-os...sue me. I'm drunk)

[Mr. Nerfect]

He isn't on the level of "Pop Culture" that Rock or Austin were...but right now he is probably the best wrestler to show the world and say "This is him."

Is he the best choice? Probably not. But he does a damn good job of it. He is fantastic outside of the ring. He can make little pop ups in various shows and people love him. People who don't know wrestling love him. The fact is he is that guy, and WWE has spent millions of dollars making him that. Would we have possibly chosen someone else? Hell yeah. Chris Jericho for one. But what's done is done, and at this point, WWE wants to make as much off their investment as possible.

(If I made some type-os...sue me. I'm drunk)

I don't doubt for a minute John Cena does an adequate job in outside appearances, and what-not, but as you suggested, he's not the right person, nor does he do a good enough job. If he did, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. :p

[The One]

No where did I say this was a good thing, I answered why McMahon continues to do it. He's done what he wanted, and nobody, NOBODY can convince McMahon he was wrong once he made up his mind.

I will say, Cena is probably the third best "Face of the Industry" behind Rock (#1) and Hogan (#2). Not saying they are the most over, just the best at relating to non-wrestling fans.

[Mr. Nerfect]

No where did I say this was a good thing, I answered why McMahon continues to do it.

I know, I detected that in your first post.

Actually, I was more trying to point out how much a douche Vince is, rather than argue directly with you. More like a "yes, but" to the situation Vince has created for himself, highlighting what an idiot he is for continuing on his current path.

I was originally going to do something very similar to what you did.

[The One]

Oh, well than we are in agreement, we know why, but agree he's a douchbag of an idiot.

[Vastardikai]

I thought Edge did a fantastic job on Mind of Mencia.

[The One]

I thought Edge was boring...though the entire Battle Royal of Religions was a shit idea to start with so no telling how mcuh of that was bad writing.

[Chavo Classic]

I will say, Cena is probably the third best "Face of the Industry" behind Rock (#1) and Hogan (#2). Not saying they are the most over, just the best at relating to non-wrestling fans.

Personally, from talking to my chums who do not like wrestling, I'd put Cena way back behind half of the roster from 1998 to 2002. Hell, I can imagine that most non fans can relate more to the Ultimate Warrior than Cena.

[Kane Knight]

I don't doubt for a minute John Cena does an adequate job in outside appearances, and what-not, but as you suggested, he's not the right person, nor does he do a good enough job. If he did, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. :p

He's not the right person in the ring, no. But there's a pretty good reason McMAhon thinks he's the right guy for the biz--He's charming and a yesman, which means he's not going to, you know, try anything new, inventive or contrary to Vince and the last 5 years of making things worse.

[Kane Knight]

Personally, from talking to my chums who do not like wrestling, I'd put Cena way back behind half of the roster from 1998 to 2002. Hell, I can imagine that most non fans can relate more to the Ultimate Warrior than Cena.

Especially nowadays.

[Chavo Classic]

'xactly. In this respect he's fallen short of his responsibility to raise public awareness. Perhaps it's because he's not a character or a gimmick that the likes of Warrior, Hogan, Undertaker or the Rock were; regardless if you put him in a line-up with these people, I guarantee he'd come bottom in frequency of identification.

[Paranoid Rattlesnake]

Rock got booed eventually, Cena much like the Rock plays a better heel character

[Sting Fan]

Its really strange to be having this conversation, not because of where Cena is now but because of where Cena was say a year or two ago.

When Cena was on Smackdown (I dont get to watch wrestling more than once a month or so now so excuse my lack of proper timeline here) he was the next big thing. Even in the age of Brock Lesnar it was arguable that he was still the next big thing in the Company. Surely I cant have been the only person salivating over Brock the unstoppable monster vs. Cena the edgy face for the WWE title?

But somewhere it all went wrong, whether it be The Marine, the failed first title win, or just the face turn into a Uber soppy face John Cena it all went to shit and now instead of being the internet darling child (not to mention the next Austin - Rock) he has become this almost X-Pac like anomily.

But that all being said (and keep in mind I dont watch much now) is there anyone getting pops as consistently as he is?

He does pop a crowd, he does get the crowd that is there fired up and while the booking could be better I really dont see too many alternatives too him on Raw.

DX is busy on a 90 revival tour thats going nowhere, Rated RKO are better away rom the belt for a bit IMO because if you make either champ who is going to challenge except for the other member leaving us with Orton as the bland face or Edge losing his gimmick which has made him this past year.

At the moment WWE is in a devil and the deep blue sea equation and seemingly have no idea how to get out. However I do think Cena as a heel is the answer. Wrestling is in a slump and as it is there is no one catching the peoples (not wrestling fans but peoples) imaginations the way a true superstar does.

And lastly I think Ratings are irrelevant to a point and certainly not on the back of Cena when the entire show is either a 90s revivval tour in DX or a joke of an undercard. The entire how is crap right now and Cena cant wear that all.

[addy2hotty]

To be fair, it's been the evolution of his character that has turned most smarks against him.

Think back a couple of years, at the Rumble, he got a fucking huge pop coming down and losing at the last to Dancing Dave. His music, demeanor, edgy white rapper thing WORKED, and I enjoyed it as well. He was funny. Who can forget when he said to Lesnar 'nice tattoo of your mother on your back', that stuff was great.

Then, he brings out an album which ALREADY had the spinner belt depicted on it before he even beat JBL at Mania. 'My Time Is Now' was alright, but has nothing on his previous entrance music. He had that 'Doctor Of Thugonomics' tag, which is a distant memory now which was pretty different, and 'You Can't See Me' was fresh. As a heel, Cena was fantastic. His skit at WM19 was pretty good as well.

Fast forward past face turn to run as WWE Champion. Now the spinner belt idea was alright for the US title, as it was like a Vinyl on a deck and stuff, it worked. There is NO REASON for him to have a belt which just spins...absolutely none.

His music is now like a pop song that you've heard a million times, it starts to grate, and lets be honest - he's no Eminem.

But then he takes the role of the typical 'rapper' that forgets where he comes from. He stops doing any sort of an edgy rap in his promos - except when the oppotunity arises for a STD joke at Lita. He wears all his own merchandise, and refuses to rap full stop - citing that his 'character' doesn't need it. He has the 'chain gang' which is the gayest name for followers ever. He then stars in a movie - which I haven't seen, but opinion seems to be that the guy is no Dwayne Johnson in an action flick. I'll reserve judgement until I have the oppotunity to watch it without having to exchange any money for the privelige.

As far as I'm concerned, the guy could have stood up long ago and said - look, this isn't my character anymore. When the people booed him after Mania, it was a golden oppotunity to turn heel and possibly be one of the best at it. Instead John says 'I like the fact that people boo and cheer me at the same time'. What a load of shit. In other words, the guy loves his merchandise money too much.

In conclusion - I don't like Cena, he's the definition of everything thats wrong in Wrestling today and would prefer Chris Masters to him as Champion.

[Sting Fan]

I was with you until the end there mate.

Cena's attitude too the business is one of the things right with wrestling right now. He cares about what he does and he goes out there every night booed or cheered and does his job with passion.

He has no say in how hes booked or pushed, hate him for his gimmick or his lack of ring skills as everyone jumps on him for but from what I have heard and seen he has one of the best attitudes in the business.

[Destor]

The One has been spot on in this whole thread.

[Kane Knight]

His music, demeanor, edgy white rapper thing WORKED, and I enjoyed it as well.

Which is the funny thing, because a lot of people who hated him were forced to admit how entertaining he was, etc.

[James Steele]

I said it then and I'll say it now, "Word Life" is the stupidest fucking catchphrase of all time.

[Jeritron]

Well you can see that over the past year the increasing boos and criticism has made him tone down some things. Like the chain gang and the ebonics voice have all been subdued. His wiggerness is still there but he's definitely made it a point to slowly tone it down since the backlash of some fans. However its not working and the resentment seems to grow. WWE is foolish for not capitalizing of the genuine hatred of fans and using it to make him into a great heel.

All I can really say about Cena is, he was getting boos at Summerslam in Boston when he was challenging for "his" title. There's a lot of resentment to the wigger gimmick as I would say the majority of people who watch and don't watch wrestling see and say 'well that sucks'. Of course theres a lot of people who like that stuff, but I've yet to meet a casual fan who thinks Cena's cool.

Cena's a laughing stalk to the mainstream, I've heard him made fun of on the radio around the time of the marine, by friends, and the only thing that makes him semi-noteworthy is the novelty of that belt.

[addy2hotty]

Cena's a laughing stalk to the mainstream, I've heard him made fun of on the radio around the time of the marine, by friends, and the only thing that makes him semi-noteworthy is the novelty of that belt.

Novelty? The belt is an insult. In fact, John Cena as champ is an insult.

ARMEGEDDON SPOILER - CENA WINS (BY DQ)

[Jeritron]

I agree with you. But the fact is that belt is probably more recognizalbe than he is.

[Jeritron]

Come to think of it, thats really why I think they obsess over keeping the belt on him. I think its the major component of his gimmick, his drawing power seems to rely off it heavily.
If the guys not champ, then the 'champ isn't here' and theres no spinner and "cool" looking belt to help him sell merchandise.

[Kane Knight]

Well you can see that over the past year the increasing boos and criticism has made him tone down some things.

Wow, if that ain't bass ackwards.

The negative reactions have constantly been because of the changes, not the cause of them. Cena was getting popped like mad, so they pushed him. They changed the character, and he started to get booed. They changed it mroe, and he became the "most controversial champion ever!!!!"

[Jeritron]

Really, because I could swear the character has become toned down as less "wiggerish" in the past year because of the resentment he was getting in late 05/06

[Kane Knight]

He was still huuuuge when they started to tone down his character.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I don't hate Cena, personally. I find him entertaining more often than not. Don't jump on my back for that, it's just an opinion.

Here's something I was thinking about, though. I remember being a huge fan of The Rock back in the day...but after a while, even HIS act started to get old for me. I remember legitimately not liking The Rock for quite some time...until he finally left. Then I started to miss him. When he came back for those couple "HollyRock" appearances, I marked out like a little bitch. I wonder if anybody will actually miss Cena when he's gone?

A heel turn definitely would help, though. The Rock was champ as both a heel and a face, so at least he had the chance to freshen things up every once in a while. When Cena finally does turn heel (and I don't see it even being possible for quite some time with the current roster), people will probably love the shit out of him all over again.

[Juan]

They sell too many John Cena t-shirts and action figures for them to de-push him.

[Kane Knight]

I dunno. Lower ratings=fewer fans=lower buyrates=less merch.

[ChiefStubbs]

Even this black guy at my school who doesn't watch wrestling and thinks it's for "Punk ass crackers" like me knows Cena! He says, "Who the fuck does this wigger think he is with his little(insert "You Can't See Me music) deal?"

[Kane Knight]

Everyone knows who K-Fed is, too.

Ummm...Your point?