lol Edge is the man

[Skippord]

NoDQ.com > WWE > Edge gets offended during CNN show
Posted by Aaron Rift on 12/20/2006 at 05:52 PM

When Edge and Shelton Benjamin were on Showbiz Tonight on CNN they talked about the mortar that landed only 300 yards from the base while the wrestlers were at Camp Victory. They showed the video. There was an uncomfortable moment when the female host of the show said, "Now, we all know wrestling is fake...big shocker, but what goes on in Iraq is real and" . . then she asked Edge about how he felt about going. Edge said in response, that this was his first trip going because the first time he was suppose to go go he had broken neck in this fake industry of ours.

[M-A-G]

Did he really have to say that?

[addy2hotty]

If she'd said 'scripted' then he may not have gone off on one.

YOU'RE GETTING AGITATED BECAUSE YOU'RE ON STEROIDS!

[Innovator]

ANADROL KICKING IN?!

[Xero]

Wait for it...

Wait for it...












































......KENNEDY!

[Xero]

Heh, I bet you thought I was gonna say

IT'S STILL REAL TO ME, DAMMIT!

[Mercury Bullet]

He shouldn't have stopped at that...I like it when wrestlers flip out at any sort of media that is bashing wrestling.

[M-A-G]

Yeah, and guess what? The media doesn't care. Seriously, after all of the tell-all books, all of the arrests on drug charges, all of the documentaries, all of the injuries, and all of the advancement in the industry, the media still looks at wrestling as a sideshow circus not worthy of merit but of mockery and scrutiny. Wrestlers on TV shows and in movies are still portrayed as bulked-up masked men as ridiculous cartoony characters. It doesn't make a difference how bad Edge's was broken. The reporter still isn't going to give a sh*t.

[addy2hotty]

The sad fact is, the only time the media portray wrestling as non-fake is when a wrestler dies.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Edge is indeed the man. :D

[M-A-G]

Wait, so Shelton got no love? This is typical of the black man not getting a voice in this world! :foc:

[jindrak]

It's like when some idiot finds out I watch wrestling and will then ask if I know it's fake or not.

Good for Edge. What kind of tone did he use?

[M-A-G]

My whole family is always like that. "You know it's fake right?" And I'm all, "Aw, hell, you mean those scientists didn't REALLY bring those dinosaurs back to life at that park?"

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, looking like a moron for wigging out on national TV=the man!

[KingofOldSchool]

Good for Edge, at least he took a stand for himself and his profession instead of letting some stupid bitch getting away with making some unneccessary comment.

[M-A-G]

His was an unnecessary comment also. You think the chick cares about his neck or any other wrestler's?

[KingofOldSchool]

So he should just sit there and not even say anything about it?

Come on, I mean I haven't seen the footage but if he did so in a somewhat calm manner then what is the big deal? She made a snotty remark about wrestling being fake, Edge simply replied that he broke his neck for a "fake" sport. I don't see that being bad on his part, if she wasn't being some high and mighty reporter trying to be oh so clever, then he wouldn't have made that remark.

[Kane Knight]

Good for Edge, at least he took a stand for himself and made him and his profession look like some stupid bitches by making some unneccessary comment.

Fixed.

This is not the way to "get back at" or "stand up to" the media. This is the equivalent of Funky trying to dissolve the black stereotype of a thug by screaming on camera waving a gun and slapping his "ho."

[KingofOldSchool]

So if someone basically insulted what you do for a living, you would just sit there and not say anything back?

I mean if he went Vince McMahon on her and started yelling and making threats, then yeah that's not cool. But if he is responding to a comment that he took offense to in a calm manner, then why should that look bad on him?

[Testicle]

I have not seen it, but I think he did the right thing in defending his profession and making the point about breaking his neck.

[Kane Knight]

So he should just sit there and not even say anything about it?

Come on, I mean I haven't seen the footage but if he did so in a somewhat calm manner then what is the big deal? She made a snotty remark about wrestling being fake, Edge simply replied that he broke his neck for a "fake" sport. I don't see that being bad on his part, if she wasn't being some high and mighty reporter trying to be oh so clever, then he wouldn't have made that remark.

What difference does it even make if he was injured in a "fake" sport? People get injured doing some pretty menial things. It lends no credibility to his side, and comes off as equally snotty (and bitter).

[M-A-G]

I don't think she was insulting it per se, just bringing up what the majority of the people accept as common knowledge.

[Kane Knight]

So if someone basically insulted what you do for a living, you would just sit there and not say anything back?

Someone insults my profession, I will do my best to make the most positive statement I can. Rather than validate her, I would disarm the statement.

We all know wrestling is fake, independent of Edge's injury. That's a stupid and pointless comment.

[KingofOldSchool]

What difference does it even make if he was injured in a "fake" sport? People get injured doing some pretty menial things. It lends no credibility to his side, and comes off as equally snotty (and bitter).

She said that it was fake, which had no barring in the freaking story, Edge simply stated that he broke his neck in the fake sport. That just means, hell if it is so fake then how come people get hurt all the time doing it?

That's not something that Edge should be scorned over. I mean it's not like he went in full-on wrestling promo on her going "Yeah you stupid bitch, if you think it's so fake why don't you step in the ring with the Rated R Superstar? GRRRRRRR!!!"

That would be dumb of him to do, but he didn't. And unless he acted in an equally snotty tone, then he did nothing wrong that anyone else in his position would've done.

[The Cock]

who cares, wrestling is fake and Edge knows it

[Kane Knight]

I don't think she was insulting it per se, just bringing up what the majority of the people accept as common knowledge.

I could see how it could be interpreted as an attack, but it's funny seeing the same people who didn't see the segment and assumed Edge wasn't spazzing out also assuming that the woman was being a snotty bitch.

In any event, it's all taken out of context, but I think the principle of supporting someone for snapping back is pretty stupid.

[KingofOldSchool]

I could see how it could be interpreted as an attack, but it's funny seeing the same people who didn't see the segment and assumed Edge wasn't spazzing out also assuming that the woman was being a snotty bitch.

In any event, it's all taken out of context, but I think the principle of supporting someone for snapping back is pretty stupid.

Well like I said I didn't see it, BUT I also did say that assuming he did respond in a non-assholeish manner, then he didn't do anything wrong.

I will retract my statement if I have evidence to the contrary (ie: the video of him spazzing out ala McMahon during the Costas interview a few years back).

I just want to give Edge the benefit of the doubt on this one.

[Kane Knight]

She said that it was fake, which had no barring in the freaking story, Edge simply stated that he broke his neck in the fake sport. That just means, hell if it is so fake then how come people get hurt all the time doing it?

right. Because people don't get injured in other "fake" forms of entertainment.

That would be dumb of him to do, but he didn't. And unless he acted in an equally snotty tone, then he did nothing wrong that anyone else in his position would've done.

Of course, you're assuming the tone is snotty on her end. Didn't you just say you didn't see the segment?

[Kane Knight]

Well like I said I didn't see it, BUT I also did say that assuming he did respond in a non-assholeish manner, then he didn't do anything wrong.

I will retract my statement if I have evidence to the contrary (ie: the video of him spazzing out ala McMahon during the Costas interview a few years back).

I just want to give Edge the benefit of the doubt on this one.

But you're still only giving one side the "benefit of the doubt." The online transcripts don't look like there was any conflict on either side. So your assumption is still flawed.

[Mr. Nerfect]

From the way it comes off in that report, Edge did the right thing. Remember when that lady was hired by the WWE, and she asked JBL how he kept making the "fake blood" come out. People see wrestling like that, and at the risk of sounding overly sensitive about professional wrestling, that is quite ignorant. People seem to think it is all "smoke and mirrors" and there is no skill involved with what they do.

It's like saying a stunt-man is a pussy because he doesn't really want to kill the guy driving the car when he smashes through the windshield.

There was no reason to take a stab at professional wrestling in that interview, the whole point was to promote it. Edge did the right thing, and what he said actually made sense in context to the question. If he had started tossing furniture around, and given her a stiff Spear to try and prove his point, then yes, that may have been overdoing it. Making a retort was fine, in my opinion. If anything, she came off the idiot.

[St. Jimmy]

Well honestly if someone was blatently insulting something I love passionatly I could see taking it as a personal attack. His response wasn't too outlandish. Love him for speaking his mind.

[Mr. Nerfect]

But you're still only giving one side the "benefit of the doubt." The online transcripts don't look like there was any conflict on either side. So your assumption is still flawed.

Weren't you the person who assumed Triple H was taking shots at John Cena, when he said Kurt Angle wasn't getting the heel responses he was meant to?

The meaning of the words, and the sense in which it is reported doesn't necessarily paint her as a bitch, she used the word "fake", which has negative implications. Perhaps if she had said "scripted", as previously mentioned, which it is, things would have probably gone smoothly.

The word "fake" shows ignorance, as professional wrestling isn't "fake". Guys stiff the shit out of each other all the time. It's like saying movies are "fake".

[Mr. Nerfect]

right. Because people don't get injured in other "fake" forms of entertainment.

People think there is absolutely no risk involved in professional wrestling. "Smoke and mirrors", if you will. It's this kind of mentality Edge was obviously trying to deflect, and I doubt he would have done it if she hadn't come off like an uneducated bitch.

Of course, you're assuming the tone is snotty on her end. Didn't you just say you didn't see the segment?

You make assumptions all the time. Don't call someone out because they do. Remember when you thought The Miz was a babyface?

You don't need to see the segment to read the title of the article "Edge gets offended". Hmm, sounds like he took offence to something the woman said. If she offended him, we are probably right to make the inference she came off either condescending or ignorant.

Of course, the legitimacy of the article is disputable. No DQ? Hmm.

[Skippord]

MY BONER FOR EDGE REMAINS UNWAIVERING

[Fignuts]

Yeah, there was no reason at all for this woman to bring up wrestling being "fake". Justifies Edge, IMO.

[The One]

He should have speared her, and then had sex with her and got into a fued with her boyfriend.

[Destor]

I can't believe this sparked a debate.

[Skippord]

Me niether

[Blitz]

*neither.

Also, I am firmly in support of the "Edge is the man" theory.

[Vastardikai]

^

As am I.

If you replace Edge with, say, Austin, there'd be less of a debate. on second thought, there'd be an act of domestic violence on set.

However, at least Edge didn't call her a mindless talking head. That'd be tit for tat. He actually took the high road.

[ron the dial]

This is why I love Edge so much. You stand up for your profession, man!

[Skippord]

*neither.

Also, I am firmly in support of the "Edge is the man" theory.
Damn I havent been spelling neither right for like 3 years then

[Rammsteinmad]

Edge is da man. :D

[Rammsteinmad]

So anyone got a video of it or summit?

[Jeritron]

Edge isn't an idiot. It's not like he pulled an Andrew dice clay, shes an ingorant ditzy newcaster and he made her look like an idiot sort of.

And to a certain extent, some of the media has accepted wrestling as "realER" since all of Mick Foley and WWE's exploits.

How would a guy like Edge not take offense? Like the industry of wrestling is any more fake than the media and CNN's...

[Blitz]

the media still looks at wrestling as a sideshow circus not worthy of merit but of mockery and scrutiny.
I can't help but wonder why anyone might have that opinion.

*cough*http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/webshows/3716978/3846792/asspassionoftheass*cough*

Yessir, no idea at all.

[M-A-G]

LOL @ people still mad at the chick. Seriously, is wrestling fake? Yes or no?

[ron the dial]

No. It's scripted. I'd say that there's a huge difference.

[M-A-G]

Not in eyes of the media which is why she made that comment. Edge could've showed her clips of his surgery, Benoit's scar, HHH's quad X-rays, Mick Foley's body, and even Eddie Guerrero's autopsy reports and corpse. It doesn't matter because no one takes it seriously. Why? BECAUSE IT'S A RIGGED SPORT!!!

[M-A-G]

And how exactly DID Edge get that broken neck? Did one of his opponents seriously go after it with malicious intent? Did someone twist it on purpose? Did he get smacked with a hammer for real? Or was it an 'over time' thing that happened while working in an industry that dictates you be sure not to hurt each other because of the script?

[Vastardikai]

Not in eyes of the media which is why she made that comment. Edge could've showed her clips of his surgery, Benoit's scar, HHH's quad X-rays, Mick Foley's body, and even Eddie Guerrero's autopsy reports and corpse. It doesn't matter because no one takes it seriously. Why? BECAUSE IT'S A RIGGED SPORT!!!


So is Boxing, what's your point?

[M-A-G]

That doesn't even make sense. What does that have to do with anything?

[Vastardikai]

This:

http://kimskorner.zed1.net/albums/Answers/chewbacca.jpg

:shifty:

Seriously, Boxing is just as rigged as Wrestling. People get hurt in Boxing all the time, the only difference being: Boxing is seen as (Somewhat) respectable, despite being dishonest about it's rigged nature.

[M-A-G]

It's more acceptable because it's not a circus.

[M-A-G]

Well, maybe without Tyson, but....

[Champion of Europa]

if Kurt Angle or Benoit said the same thing, there would be no arguement about who is in the right or wrong.

[M-A-G]

Actually, yeah, because the point still stands that wrestling is fake.

[Stickman]

I'm guessing the reporter didn't want to do the interview so that was her subtle way at getting back at whoever made her do it.

[Destor]

Actually, yeah, because the point still stands that wrestling is fake.Yeah that's why when someone gets injured on the set of movie no one cares...becuase it's fake...

[M-A-G]

It is fake. The accident is real enough but hurting themselves isn't what they're setting out to accomplish.

[Destor]

Just like acting...wow...begining to see a trend here...

[Jeritron]

The media is faker than wrestling. Seriously, watch the news sometime. They're phonier than wrestlers. And they don't take chairshots.

Its not about him defending whether its real compettition or not. He's not trying to say it's not scripted. It's about what she implied. The way she said "we all know that wrestling is fake.." and it came off as very snobby and ignorant.
He took it the way I did when I read it, she doesnt know what shes talking about and it comes as an insult to a guy like him or anyone who knows the business to say it like that. Nobodys saying its "real", its just the connotation she was using when she called it "fake. And please don't say thats not what she was implying because you know as well as I do what her sentiments were towards it.

After all, they were on Showbiz Tonight. They weren't going on Sportscenter talking about it. So with that enough is said about the industry. She made an ignorant comment and Edge took offense.
He didn't fly off the collar, he just defended what him and his colleigues do for a living, and people who actually know the facts. He did so with a subtle, sarcastic comment and it was low key and not out-of line. Seriously Mick Foley and others have done it and I feel its just. How does he look like an idiot?

[M-A-G]

I'm not saying he looked stupid. It just wasn't necessary because what's the point? If the chick hadn't realized the rigors of the business up until that point, why would a sly remark from Edge change that?

[Crippla]

I was hoping he'd pull a Vader and completely spazzout.

[KingofOldSchool]

Well what was the point of her bringing it up in the first palce?

I mean if someone offended you in some way, would you just sit back and not even comment to the person about it?

[Jeritron]

I'm not saying he looked stupid. It just wasn't necessary because what's the point? If the chick hadn't realized the rigors of the business up until that point, why would a sly remark from Edge change that?

Doesn't mean he still shouldn't say anything. I know its not the same thing, but if an old ignorant biggot makes a racist comment do you not say anything? Because no remarks gonna change that either. He took a stand and said something on principle and because he took offense, rightfully so. I also think he reacted in a good manner. What he said was subtle, witty but effective. I'm sure she picked up on it, she probably even felt embarassed.

[addy2hotty]

Doesn't mean he still shouldn't say anything. I know its not the same thing, but if an old ignorant biggot makes a racist comment do you not say anything? Because no remarks gonna change that either. He took a stand and said something on principle and because he took offense, rightfully so. I also think he reacted in a good manner. What he said was subtle, witty but effective. I'm sure she picked up on it, she probably even felt embarassed.

There's a world of difference between a racist comment and making an uneducated comment on someones profession, which was essentially correct.

[Juan]

Fixed.

This is not the way to "get back at" or "stand up to" the media. This is the equivalent of Funky trying to dissolve the black stereotype of a thug by screaming on camera waving a gun and slapping his "ho."

That comparison is crap. What did you want him to say to her?

"No ma'am, it isn't fake."

[Jeritron]

I said I know its the not the same thing, but I was drawing the analogy of her 'not changing regardless of whats said to her' to a type of person who doesnt change regardless of whats said to them. You got the analogy. It was about the idea of principle involving both. An analogy, not a pound for pound comparison so please. I wasn't comparing her comments to a racists comments directly...obviously.

[ron the dial]

I'm not saying he looked stupid. It just wasn't necessary because what's the point? If the chick hadn't realized the rigors of the business up until that point, why would a sly remark from Edge change that?
It's not about changing that particular chick's mind. It's about defending yourself against an untruth. Just because wrestling is scripted doesn't mean that it's fake. They still have to bust their asses in the ring every week of the year, and their injuries aren't fake. Just because they aren't inflicted purposefully doesn't mean a man's neck is any less broken.

[addy2hotty]

From other thread....

Yeah, I started watching when I was about four, and it took me about three years to figure out that it was fake. Not sure what the exact moment was.

Hmm?

[ron the dial]

Get off my nuts.

[Kane Knight]

Weren't you the person who assumed Triple H was taking shots at John Cena, when he said Kurt Angle wasn't getting the heel responses he was meant to?

I don't recall this. Can you back it up?

[KingofOldSchool]

And ask yourself "Did the woman really need to include the 'we all know wrestling is fake comment'?" She could've easily said "So Edge, what was it like being in Iraq?"

She didn't, she just had to make the snide mark of "We all know wrestling is fake and what's going on in Iraq is real." If this was already commonly know, then why even mention it?

Edge could've reacted in three ways.

1. Spazzed out and make him and the company look even worse than they already are.

2. Said nothing and make himself look like a joke by letting her say that kind of remark.

3. Replied to her comment in a calm, rationale tone.

He did #3, which is what any normal person would do in his position. If you are being interviewed on live television and the person interviewing you makes an offensive statement, you're not going to just sit there and not say anything back.

And anyone who has ever been in the wrestling industry takes offense to the word "fake." I think The One, Dave, or anyone else who has ever did any kind of wrestling training would back me up on.

It's not about denying the inner workings of the industry (although some people still do), it's about the hard work, pain, dedication, sacrifice, etc. that the wrestlers go through to get where they are.

Fake implys that everything that happens in that ring is painless and everyone goes home perfectly fine. Which obviously is not the case for the most part, that's why wrestlers take offense to people calling wrestling fake.

[Kane Knight]

People think there is absolutely no risk involved in professional wrestling. "Smoke and mirrors", if you will. It's this kind of mentality Edge was obviously trying to deflect, and I doubt he would have done it if she hadn't come off like an uneducated bitch.

LOL. Once again. Yeah, you come off as overly defensive about wrestling. I wonder why. So much so that there's this phantom world of people who think nobody ever gets hurt in wrestling.

Next thing you'll tell me is that people still think wrestling is real...


You make assumptions all the time. Don't call someone out because they do. Remember when you thought The Miz was a babyface?

Wow. If your previous assertion about me is as out of context as this one, you're just lying to defend Edge.

You don't need to see the segment to read the title of the article "Edge gets offended". Hmm, sounds like he took offence to something the woman said. If she offended him, we are probably right to make the inference she came off either condescending or ignorant.

Of course, the legitimacy of the article is disputable. No DQ? Hmm.[/quote]

[addy2hotty]

Get off my nuts.

I own you.

[Kane Knight]

Edge isn't an idiot. It's not like he pulled an Andrew dice clay, shes an ingorant ditzy newcaster and he made her look like an idiot sort of.

I'm still missing hwow she's ignorant, and how he made her look like an idiot. Do you think anyone outside the wrestling fanbase is actually going AW SNAP?

If so, take your meds, the schizophrenia is acting up again.

[addy2hotty]

Weapon X said 'fake' and then 'scripted', it's clear that he meant scripted. Is it not beyond the realms of possibility that an ignorant newsreader did the same?

How would have JBL handled that, probably chuckled at her and said something constructive to make her understand. Edge isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, and unfortunately missed a good oppotunity.

[Kane Knight]

Not in eyes of the media which is why she made that comment. Edge could've showed her clips of his surgery, Benoit's scar, HHH's quad X-rays, Mick Foley's body, and even Eddie Guerrero's autopsy reports and corpse. It doesn't matter because no one takes it seriously. Why? BECAUSE IT'S A RIGGED SPORT!!!

And that's the end result. Who looks bad? The guy defending a fake sport, or the "ignorant" woman who calls it fake, a convention every non-smark agrees to?

[Jeritron]

Nobody outside of the fanbase is going AW Snap. Nobody's doing anything. Thats half of the reason why you're wrong when you say Edge made himself look stupid. He didn't look stupid in the situation, he reacted well...and nobody think he looked stupid, not even anyone else on here.

[Funky Fly]

Are you kiddingAddy? JBL would probably hog tie her and threaten rape.

[Kane Knight]

Weapon X said 'fake' and then 'scripted', it's clear that he meant scripted. Is it not beyond the realms of possibility that an ignorant newsreader did the same?

How would have JBL handled that, probably chuckled at her and said something constructive to make her understand. Edge isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, and unfortunately missed a good oppotunity.

That's the thing. Arguing that it's not "fake" becomes semantics. It's fake, even though people really do get hurt. We can put a softer face on it as wrestling fans, but...It really comes down to being fake. It's not even ignorance to call it fake, it's ignorance to think that changing the wording makes it any less staged, scripted, or fake. I wonder why people are so eager to look past the elephant in the room.

There are smarter ways to handle a statement like that, but then maybe this is why wrestling looks so stupid to the uninitiated. Because our ambassadors to the outside world are rarely well-spoken or insightful. On the other hand, the transcripts (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0612/19/sbt.01.html) don't sound hostile on either side. Edge doesn't read as defensive, Anderson doesn't read as inflamatory.

On a side note, I wonder how RVD would have reacted (Had he gone to Iraq, or had he been interviewed in another scenario). JBL's intelligent, but RVD's a truly cool customer in almost any way imaginable.

Not that it matters. You go to war with the wrestlers you have, not the wrestlers you wish you had.

[Kane Knight]

Nobody outside of the fanbase is going AW Snap. Nobody's doing anything. Thats half of the reason why you're wrong when you say Edge made himself look stupid. He didn't look stupid in the situation, he reacted well...and nobody think he looked stupid, not even anyone else on here.

Right. You just tell yourself that.

It's bullshit, and you only need to look at other reactions to see I'm not the only dissenting opinion, but why let reality intrude on this whole affair?

And I suppose only the 15 internet smarks here watch Showbiz Tonight, and nobody else will see it or form an opinion.

[Fignuts]

One thing I'll tell you. If he would have just sat there and took it, he'd get a lot of heat from the guys in the back.

[Jeritron]

He did the right thing.

[addy2hotty]

That's the thing. Arguing that it's not "fake" becomes semantics. It's fake, even though people really do get hurt. We can put a softer face on it as wrestling fans, but...It really comes down to being fake. It's not even ignorance to call it fake, it's ignorance to think that changing the wording makes it any less staged, scripted, or fake. I wonder why people are so eager to look past the elephant in the room.

There are smarter ways to handle a statement like that, but then maybe this is why wrestling looks so stupid to the uninitiated. Because our ambassadors to the outside world are rarely well-spoken or insightful. On the other hand, the transcripts (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0612/19/sbt.01.html) don't sound hostile on either side. Edge doesn't read as defensive, Anderson doesn't read as inflamatory.

On a side note, I wonder how RVD would have reacted (Had he gone to Iraq, or had he been interviewed in another scenario). JBL's intelligent, but RVD's a truly cool customer in almost any way imaginable.

Not that it matters. You go to war with the wrestlers you have, not the wrestlers you wish you had.

The point is, that there is a lot of people who seem to take these things so seriously, certain people on this thread & Edge included, which is systematic of the whole industry at the moment. The whole notion of 'fakeness' is almost like bad press to the WWE. Or an insult to some fans.

They probably coach them to say certain things if anyone does this in the media. 'Pull out something about an injury' - I mean, it's perfect, most of the roster have had them.

[addy2hotty]

He did it for THE ROCK.

[Kane Knight]

The point is, that there is a lot of people who seem to take these things so seriously, certain people on this thread & Edge included, which is systematic of the whole industry at the moment. The whole notion of 'fakeness' is almost like bad press to the WWE. Or an insult to some fans.

They probably coach them to say certain things if anyone does this in the media. 'Pull out something about an injury' - I mean, it's perfect, most of the roster have had them.

I agree that this is like a pathological issue.

[Kane Knight]

And to people complaining about the word fake. Ask yourselves why they call it fake: Because it's a "scripted," "staged," "sport."

So...Ummm...You're arguing it's not faked, it's faked.

Nobody's pretending Eddie's still alive and the Blue Blazer was all a work. Nobody's saying people don't get hurt. Nobody's saying Michael Moore is Jabba the Hutt...Well, actually...

[Destor]

Right. You just tell yourself that.

It's bullshit, and you only need to look at other reactions to see I'm not the only dissenting opinion, but why let reality intrude on this whole affair?

And I suppose only the 15 internet smarks here watch Showbiz Tonight, and nobody else will see it or form an opinion.LOL, sometimes you crack me up. (People have opinions that vary from yours. Many people watching the show could easily side with people like Jerry here.)

[Jeritron]

The point is, that there is a lot of people who seem to take these things so seriously, certain people on this thread & Edge included, which is systematic of the whole industry at the moment. The whole notion of 'fakeness' is almost like bad press to the WWE. Or an insult to some fans.

They probably coach them to say certain things if anyone does this in the media. 'Pull out something about an injury' - I mean, it's perfect, most of the roster have had them.

WWE has been open about the 'entertainment' nature of the industry and set outcomes. They maintain a kayfabe world but apart from that they are very open about what they are presenting as a form of entertainment.
They certainly do not coach their wrestlers, or make it a point to portray it as real to the media.
What Edge said is a case of self defense and education regarding the validity of athleticism and danger in the line of work and the industry, which in the minds of some ignorant outsiders is non-existant. He did it on principle, personal and professionally and was justified in doing so. He didn't look like an idiot to overall, smark mark or outsider POVs included.

If he looked like such an idiot, or it was an embarassment. Why can't I even find it on youtube, where you can find ANYTHING? Nobody was put off by Adam Copelands comments.

[KingofOldSchool]

They certainly do not coach their wrestlers, or make it a point to portray it as real to the media.

Actually, they do a lot of times tell people to say certain things and/or stay in kayfabe which in a sense is trying to pass it off as "real."

But if WWE was talking in Edge's ear during this, he would've threatened to spear the woman for making that comment. And THAT would've made him look like a damned fool.

[TerranRich]

Okay, guys, this entire argument is pointless and ridiculous about Edge's comments. You know why? Wrestling is not fake. :'(

[Kane Knight]

LOL, sometimes you crack me up. (People have opinions that vary from yours. Many people watching the show could easily side with people like Jerry here.)
You do know that this comment isn't saying that everyone who watches ST is going to side with me, right?

It's refuting his argument that nobody will agree with me. First off, he immediately discounted everyone who actually watches the show (Unless, as my statement asserts, only the smarks commenting on this board are the ones watching...), which is especially silly, since the mainstream viewers are more likely to find the statement that it's fake true, then he goes on to discount other people who has disagreed with him.

This isn't about mine being the only opinion, or any other little silly strawman you can put up. Sorry. :(

[Kane Knight]

Okay, guys, this entire argument is pointless and ridiculous about Edge's comments. You know why? Wrestling is not fake. :'(

IT'S STILL A VIABLE JOKE TO ME, DAMMIT!

[addy2hotty]

WWE has been open about the 'entertainment' nature of the industry and set outcomes. They maintain a kayfabe world but apart from that they are very open about what they are presenting as a form of entertainment.
They certainly do not coach their wrestlers, or make it a point to portray it as real to the media.
What Edge said is a case of self defense and education regarding the validity of athleticism and danger in the line of work and the industry, which in the minds of some ignorant outsiders is non-existant. He did it on principle, personal and professionally and was justified in doing so. He didn't look like an idiot to overall, smark mark or outsider POVs included.

If he looked like such an idiot, or it was an embarassment. Why can't I even find it on youtube, where you can find ANYTHING? Nobody was put off by Adam Copelands comments.

I never said he was an idiot or an embarrassment. I'm really of no opinion of how he looked etc etc.

You say it's a case of education, yet they deny it's fake. Why is that? Why not just say 'scripted' and be done with it, I've seen it done at other times. I remember seeing Kurt Angle before he got huge on a tour promoting in the UK. Someone on our sad version of MTV asked him, 'Kurt, now wrestling is fake right?'. Angle, totally unshaken and with a smirk on his face, replied, 'I wouldnt say fake, I think pre-determined is the right word.' The guy had no answer.

I mean, who cares what he said, no-one is going to take a man who's name appears on the screen as 'Edge' as opposed to 'Adam Copeland'. I bet half the people watching thought, 'I bet he stole that from the guy in U2'.

[M-A-G]

Doesn't mean he still shouldn't say anything. I know its not the same thing, but if an old ignorant biggot makes a racist comment do you not say anything? Because no remarks gonna change that either. He took a stand and said something on principle and because he took offense, rightfully so. I also think he reacted in a good manner. What he said was subtle, witty but effective. I'm sure she picked up on it, she probably even felt embarassed.

The alternative doesn't have to be say nothing. The issue was the stuff in Iraq so a novel thing to say would've been something about, guess what, Iraq.

[M-A-G]

It's not about changing that particular chick's mind. It's about defending yourself against an untruth. Just because wrestling is scripted doesn't mean that it's fake. They still have to bust their asses in the ring every week of the year, and their injuries aren't fake. Just because they aren't inflicted purposefully doesn't mean a man's neck is any less broken.

Yep, they do bust their asses and do a lot of hard work like remembering all of those important spots and cues, whispering moves into their opponent's ears, trying to land the right way to avoid injury, keeping that condom of blood from falling out, protecting their opponent on a move, pretending to be mad at someone who's actually a good friend, and making sure the fans believe all the blood on their face came from that chair shot.

[Skippord]

Condom of blood?

[ron the dial]

Don't worry. It's normal.

[M-A-G]

Condom of blood?

For those nagging 'internal injuries'.

[Skippord]

Oh I thought you meant they used blood capsules for everything

[Kane Knight]

The alternative doesn't have to be say nothing. The issue was the stuff in Iraq so a novel thing to say would've been something about, guess what, Iraq.

I was more lauging at his assertion that Edge took offense, which really does make his answer sound bitter.

But seriously, other wrestlers have handled it better in the past.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The alternative doesn't have to be say nothing. The issue was the stuff in Iraq so a novel thing to say would've been something about, guess what, Iraq.

Which is what he did.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't recall this. Can you back it up?

Can't be fucked finding the details, but Triple H made comments like "John Cena is getting booed because he doesn't have a good enough heel to go up against", whilst Cena was feuding with Angle.

[Mr. Nerfect]

LOL. Once again. Yeah, you come off as overly defensive about wrestling. I wonder why. So much so that there's this phantom world of people who think nobody ever gets hurt in wrestling.

Next thing you'll tell me is that people still think wrestling is real...

:wtf: A lot of people don't think anyone gets hurt in wrestling. I've talked to people who refuse to believe Kurt Angle broke his neck. They honestly believe everything is planned out, and there is absolutely no risk in what happens.

See the thread where people discuss when they figured out wrestling was fake for more details. It isn't a "phantom world". People on these boards have confessed to thinking it "faker" than it actually was.

I can't make sense of your other paragraph and what you meant, just some long winded self-fellating bullshit probably, so I won't bother.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That's the thing. Arguing that it's not "fake" becomes semantics. It's fake, even though people really do get hurt. We can put a softer face on it as wrestling fans, but...It really comes down to being fake. It's not even ignorance to call it fake, it's ignorance to think that changing the wording makes it any less staged, scripted, or fake. I wonder why people are so eager to look past the elephant in the room.

There are smarter ways to handle a statement like that, but then maybe this is why wrestling looks so stupid to the uninitiated. Because our ambassadors to the outside world are rarely well-spoken or insightful. On the other hand, the transcripts (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0612/19/sbt.01.html) don't sound hostile on either side. Edge doesn't read as defensive, Anderson doesn't read as inflamatory.

On a side note, I wonder how RVD would have reacted (Had he gone to Iraq, or had he been interviewed in another scenario). JBL's intelligent, but RVD's a truly cool customer in almost any way imaginable.

Not that it matters. You go to war with the wrestlers you have, not the wrestlers you wish you had.

Don't know if you get out, and what-not, but the word "fake" these days carries negative implications. A movie would not be described as "fake". A stuntman's activies would not be described as "fake" and even special effects on a TV show would not be described as "fake".

Perhaps professional wrestling is to blame for kayfabe, and what-not, but people have this hostility towards the industry, as if it is constantly trying to deceive us. Is it? Perhaps, but I think what is asks for is more suspension of disbelief, similar to how a movie would.

That's why I've always had a soft spot for the concepts behind WSX and Chikara. Haven't seen WSX, but the MTV shtick had me believe that it could have maybe shed the fourth wall that makes people feel conned by watching iit. A wrestling promotion that holds each show more like a TV episode, complete with credits, casting and what-not could work, in my opinion. But that's another story for another day.

My point is this:

There is hostility towards professional wrestling. People are ignorant when it comes to it. Perhaps it is the industry's fault for putting up so many barricades, but Edge was just responding to a woman who obviously didn't understand the business, and was obviously condescending it.

I ask you this: would you use the word "fake" to a professional wrestler? Would you ask him how his "fake" lifestyle is? She obviously didn't have a clue what she was on about, and as a journalist she should really be aware of what she is saying at all times.

And the woman did come off as offencive. I took it that way, so did so many other people, and so did Edge, or else he wouldn't have made the statement.

[Pinnacle Charisma]

Lol Edge is stealing Angles gimmick

I WRESTLED WITH A BROKEN FREAKING NECK IN THIS SPORT

[Skippord]

Seriously how did this spark a debate

[Afterlife]

I don't recall this. Can you back it up?


Oh, gee, raise your hand if you didn't see that coming.

[Afterlife]

Seriously how did this spark a debate

It didn't spark a debate. It merely sparked the appearance of a universal truth; that Edge was right. That gave Kane Knight the chance to argue universal truth again, and thus became the frustration of trying to talk to him. On the upside, he can no longer say that only Alienoid, Terran, Destor and I have opposed his troublesome and incorrect viewpoints; on the downside, he's pissed everyone off again.




:shifty:





I mean, Kennedyyyyyyy!

[Kane Knight]

Can't be fucked finding the details, but Triple H made comments like "John Cena is getting booed because he doesn't have a good enough heel to go up against", whilst Cena was feuding with Angle.

No, I meant can you back up you claims of my statements?

What I don't remember is the comments you claim I've made.

Then again, considering you're either lying or just plain misrepresenting my statements on Poochy...

[Kane Knight]

Oh, gee, raise your hand if you didn't see that coming.

LOL

Yeah, Alienoid made a series of unfounded claims which he refuses to back up. I didn't deny this one, I said I don't remember it. God, how predictable!

...Afterlife making another bullshit comment, that is.

[Kane Knight]

:wtf: A lot of people don't think anyone gets hurt in wrestling.

Yup. In your fantasy world.

Don't know if you get out, and what-not, but the word "fake" these days carries negative implications.

You got me. I had no idea that "fake" could have negative implications. :rofl:

GEe, no wonder Edge got so defensive and pitched a hissyfit (Hey, it's a fair assumption, all things considered. I mean, it's a bad, dirty, foul word!)

[Afterlife]

LOL

Yeah, Alienoid made a series of unfounded claims which he refuses to back up. I didn't deny this one, I said I don't remember it. God, how predictable!

...Afterlife making another bullshit comment, that is.

Oh, right, because your coy little remark was in to way a denial. Every time someone says "Kane Knight said", they're mysteriously wrong. It's like the History of You was thrown up by the Monster King of the Bermuda Triangle, and is thusly constructed of worm holes and alternate realities.

This one time, it rained in April. But I don't need the almanac to prove it.

[Afterlife]

Yup. In your fantasy world.



You got me. I had no idea that "fake" could have negative implications. :rofl:

GEe, no wonder Edge got so defensive and pitched a hissyfit (Hey, it's a fair assumption, all things considered. I mean, it's a bad, dirty, foul word!)


Like, this one time, I remember a thread where you complained about someone referring to this reporter as a "snotty bitch", even tho she probably wasn't. And here you are, claiming that Edge threw a "hissyfit", even tho he probably wasn't. It's almost like hypocracy, except I'm sure in Kane Land, it's ignorant of the first guy, but you're just using hyperbole.

[Kane Knight]

Remember in that same thread, I actually explicitly said that neither sounded like they were confrontational? Oh, right. Selective memory. It's not possible that there was a context you either don't want to understand, or deliberately refuse to understand. :lol:

[Kane Knight]

Oh, right, because your coy little remark was in to way a denial. Every time someone says "Kane Knight said", they're mysteriously wrong. It's like the History of You was thrown up by the Monster King of the Bermuda Triangle, and is thusly constructed of worm holes and alternate realities.

This one time, it rained in April. But I don't need the almanac to prove it.

:lol: Yeah, basically, you're copping out. Surprise?

Not really. :y:

[Afterlife]

Remember in that same thread, I actually explicitly said that neither sounded like they were confrontational? Oh, right. Selective memory. It's not possible that there was a context you either don't want to understand, or deliberately refuse to understand. :lol:


So, the fact that you contradicted yourself not once, but twice, is not only funny to you, but is somehow degrading to me? I don't follow.

Yeah, basically, you're copping out. Surprise?

Not really.


Actually, I was pointing out your cop out, homie.

[Mr. Nerfect]

No, I meant can you back up you claims of my statements?

What I don't remember is the comments you claim I've made.

Then again, considering you're either lying or just plain misrepresenting my statements on Poochy...

Dude, that's what you said. I'm sure someone else remembers it here, I'm just not going to go through a meaningless search to appease your ego. I don't want you to take offence to this, but you're not worth my time.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yup. In your fantasy world.

:lol: You lose. Check out the thread I told you to, evidence is in there.

You got me. I had no idea that "fake" could have negative implications. :rofl:

GEe, no wonder Edge got so defensive and pitched a hissyfit (Hey, it's a fair assumption, all things considered. I mean, it's a bad, dirty, foul word!)

Are you being sarcastic. I couldn't tell, because if you were, you just made my argument for me. If fake = negative, then Edge had a right to take offence. He was a fucking guest on their show, promoting the WWE. I'm not the first person to defend the WWE, I'd love to see someone knock them on their ass, nor am I a big supporter of formula, but you just don't invite someone onto your show to do promotional work, then pay the shit out of their occupation.

If you weren't being sarcastic, you just proved yourself to be an idiot.

You lose this one, buddy. I respect your opinion in a lot of other discussions, because I do think you're a pretty smart guy at times, but you're just arguing here to argue, and you're just beating a dead horse. I've been guilty of that, so I'm just going to end this now, out of consideration for you.

Back on topic: Edge is, in fact, the man.

[M-A-G]

Which is what he did.

No, he made his little pathetic plea for understanding under the guise of talking about Iraq. So, no, Edge is not the man.

[addy2hotty]

It's amusing to see how things spiral out of control in the midst of an argument not really related to the subject matter.

For example, an ignorant newsreader who probably hasn't ever watched a moment of pro-wrestling/sports entertainment in her life, working from notes probably made for her by someone else who lives in a small office probably due to the fact that they have a face for radio, hence why they do the research, says the word 'fake' in reference to a scripted/planned out show.

After less than a week on TPWW, she's been turned into the one woman whose lifes work it is to bring down the whole pro-wrestling industry, starting with the afforementioned segment which was called 'Calling You Out Edge, Bitch'.

[Skippord]

addy almost has 1000 posts

[Jeritron]

It's amusing to see how things spiral out of control in the midst of an argument not really related to the subject matter....

....For example, an ignorant newsreader who probably hasn't ever watched a moment of pro-wrestling/sports entertainment in her life....

Well thats basically the problem we're stating. And when did anyone accuse her of trying to bring things down. You're exaggerating, my fellow Jerichoholic.

[Kane Knight]

So, the fact that you contradicted yourself not once, but twice, is not only funny to you, but is somehow degrading to me? I don't follow.




Actually, I was pointing out your cop out, homie.

It's not a contradiction; it's sarcasm.

But I forgot. You never let the facts get in the way of an argument. You had to make up the meaning behind my Klan statements for that one, now you're doing it here.

Oh, and I didn't cop out; I have over 95 K posts here. Sorry I don't remember them all, and when called one a statement I don't recall making, all the little bitches cry foul rather than actually prove it.

God, if you dumb cunts are so sure I made it, find it. I didn't deny it; and I'm still not. All you need to do to show me the errors of my way is find the statement. It'll be even easier for you, Afterlife, as you seem able to lie and instill meanings that aren't there.

[Kane Knight]

:lol: You lose. Check out the thread I told you to, evidence is in there.



Are you being sarcastic. I couldn't tell, because if you were, you just made my argument for me. If fake = negative, then Edge had a right to take offence. He was a fucking guest on their show, promoting the WWE. I'm not the first person to defend the WWE, I'd love to see someone knock them on their ass, nor am I a big supporter of formula, but you just don't invite someone onto your show to do promotional work, then pay the shit out of their occupation.

If you weren't being sarcastic, you just proved yourself to be an idiot.

You lose this one, buddy. I respect your opinion in a lot of other discussions, because I do think you're a pretty smart guy at times, but you're just arguing here to argue, and you're just beating a dead horse. I've been guilty of that, so I'm just going to end this now, out of consideration for you.

Back on topic: Edge is, in fact, the man.

Actually, I didn't make your argument.

You only choose to interpret my words in a single, linear fashion which best suits your argument, ignoring the actual side effect therin.

I was merely extending your "brilliant" conclusion, and mocking it as such. You're failing to make your point, as it hinges on the notion that Edge was being defensive, and if he was defensive, then really, he was not the man, but a whiny little bitch trying to snap back in front of an audience who thinks wrestling is fake.

Oh yeah. You so won that one. :rofl:

Please, don't be stupid. And I don't mean that in a backhanded "I just called you intelligent so it's okay" fashion.

[Kane Knight]

For example, an ignorant newsreader who probably hasn't ever watched a moment of pro-wrestling/sports entertainment in her life[...]says the word 'fake' in reference to a scripted/planned out show.

Probably because she doesn't know how ridiculously oversensitive internet fans are. I bet if she knew that she'd hurt that demographic's feelings...

No, wait. She'd probably still say fake. Why should she have said otherwise? It's true. Hell, even if you want to go Alienoid's way, and insist that it can only mean negative things, ummm...What difference would that make?

Wrestling's considered a passtime of inbred morons. Nobody has any reason to not dismiss the fans, the business, the people involved. Is anyone really going to care if Edge or smarks were offended? Do you think the interviewer changed her mind in the slightest? Do you think a guy named "Edge" will be taken seriously by anyone who isn't already whining that "FAKE IS BAD AND WWE NOT BAD!" about it, as in the people already watching?

Do you think, to the rest of the world, there's any difference in their mind between "fake" and "scripted?"

An objective view of wrestling will probably call it "fake." Funny that.

[Jeritron]

Kane Knight, I do agree with you about the perception of wrestling and its nature in the eyes of that lady and people like her (most non-fans who haven't seen what proves otherwise). All I disagree with is that Edge looked like an idiot, or that he shouldn't have reacted the way he did.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Actually, I didn't make your argument.

You only choose to interpret my words in a single, linear fashion which best suits your argument, ignoring the actual side effect therin.

Blah, blah, blah. You don't have an argument, so you just sit there trying to be Jon Stewart. I decided to interpret your words as they came off. To me it sounded like you were being an arrogant jackass, hence, at least from my perspective, all you are is an arrogant jackass.

I was merely extending your "brilliant" conclusion, and mocking it as such. You're failing to make your point, as it hinges on the notion that Edge was being defensive, and if he was defensive, then really, he was not the man, but a whiny little bitch trying to snap back in front of an audience who thinks wrestling is fake.

Your "endless" "wit" constantly puts "me" in my "place". All you do is "make" "sarcastic" asides, and expect "that" to make your "argument" for you. Guess what, narcissism and self-righteousness doesn't count as an argument.

Edge threw in a witty comment in an answer to a question he was asked by a condescending reporter. Hell, you're probably jealous that you didn't make it. Fuck knows I haven't see you do any better.

[Kane Knight]

What did it accomplish? What positive element came from it?

Explain it to me, I'm still missing it. Did Edge "need" to defend himself? If so, wasn't there a better, smarter way?

I mean, sure, Edge can go back to shi small pond and whatever, but do you think that if Alienoid's "people who think there are no injuries in wrestling" exist, they suddenly went "wow, then it must be real because this guy said so, even though I've doubted everyone else?"

[Kane Knight]

Blah, blah, blah. You don't have an argument, so you just sit there trying to be Jon Stewart.

HAHA! The irony, you stupid little douche!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Probably because she doesn't know how ridiculously oversensitive internet fans are. I bet if she knew that she'd hurt that demographic's feelings...

No, wait. She'd probably still say fake. Why should she have said otherwise? It's true. Hell, even if you want to go Alienoid's way, and insist that it can only mean negative things, ummm...What difference would that make?

Wrestling's considered a passtime of inbred morons. Nobody has any reason to not dismiss the fans, the business, the people involved. Is anyone really going to care if Edge or smarks were offended? Do you think the interviewer changed her mind in the slightest? Do you think a guy named "Edge" will be taken seriously by anyone who isn't already whining that "FAKE IS BAD AND WWE NOT BAD!" about it, as in the people already watching?

Do you think, to the rest of the world, there's any difference in their mind between "fake" and "scripted?"

An objective view of wrestling will probably call it "fake." Funny that.

I have never in my life seen someone invited on a show to shamelessly promote something, and then get bashed by the interviewer in the process of said promotion.

People just respect Edge for his quick-thinking and "fuck, what do you know?" attitude. Good on him. You're the one that's taken this whole "No one cares what Edge did!!!!!" retarded approach.

We care (kinda, I haven't really thought about it outside this topic), and that's what this topic is about. We're not trying to change the perspectives of professional wrestling, but you just don't make comments like that when you invite someone to do promotional work on your show.

[Kane Knight]

BAsically, you talk about how I come off, which seems to be something only you and Afterlife see. Everyone else seems to get it, even when they don't necessarily agree with me on it. My argument's been put up several times; you just choose to disregard it and claimvictory, saying I've made your point. Sorry, But following your reasoning, Edge is a defensive little bitch.

But then, so are you. :)

Yes, by the way, Edge was witty. If you're in preschool.

[Kane Knight]

I have never in my life seen someone invited on a show to shamelessly promote something, and then get bashed by the interviewer in the process of said promotion.

And you question my grasp of the world.

Sorry, you're an idiot.

Didn't read the rest. you might've said something insightful, but I doubt it. You lose credibility the minute you talked about being bashed. She treated him and Benjamin with total respect before that moment, and total respect afterwards. I even linked to the transcript. Why should I believe this was intended as you assert, despite her own words and actions?

Oh, right. Bullshit argument 101: Never let the facts get in the way of a good argument.

Keep asserting it. It's still bullshit, and you don't have an argument.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh, right. Bullshit argument 101: Never let the facts get in the way of a good argument.

Keep asserting it. It's still bullshit, and you don't have an argument.

:rofl:

HAHA! The irony, you stupid little douche.

Sound familiar?

Dude, you ain't as smart as you think you are. There are like five people I'll talk to tomorrow that think they're a champion debater, just because they use big words, and have a blind confidence in themselves, and make think that the system isn't pulling their strings.

You keep rolling off this shit about a transcript, and saying we interpretted it wrong, and that the woman was respectful. Who the fuck lets you decide? Edge was there, in that room, and he reacted the way he felt appropriate. You can pick him apart for that all you like, but his interpretation to the situation would be much more accurate than your's. You don't offend your guests when you're interviewing them. Hostility does not lead to good constructive promotion, which is what the WWE was after.

Now you'll just blabber on about how you'd have been smarter, that everyone but you is ignoring the facts, and that I live in a fantasy world, and that you dictate the course of this argument. Accomplish something, and you may actually have a right to an ego.

[Mr. Nerfect]

BAsically, you talk about how I come off, which seems to be something only you and Afterlife see. Everyone else seems to get it, even when they don't necessarily agree with me on it. My argument's been put up several times; you just choose to disregard it and claimvictory, saying I've made your point. Sorry, But following your reasoning, Edge is a defensive little bitch.

But then, so are you. :)

Yes, by the way, Edge was witty. If you're in preschool.

You're argument is this, yes:

"Edge isn't the man, because his statement was pointless."? Is that it? Seriously, most of the shit you say is pointless. Most of the shit I say is pointless. Pot, meet kettle. Edge didn't intend on turning the world upside down, he just tried to defend his profession a little bit, because it isn't all "smoke and mirrors". People do refuse to believe that there is any risk in profession wrestling, as much as you'd like to ignore it (but hey, never let bullshit get in the way of an argument right), and Edge just decided to make a comment that people in the industry would get, maybe get a few pat on the backs for.

Edge is the man because he stood up for himself, and his profession. It wasn't a debate on whether wrestling is real, but rather just a "umm, yeah, you don't know what you're talking about, moving along" remark.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What did it accomplish? What positive element came from it?

Explain it to me, I'm still missing it. Did Edge "need" to defend himself? If so, wasn't there a better, smarter way?

I mean, sure, Edge can go back to shi small pond and whatever, but do you think that if Alienoid's "people who think there are no injuries in wrestling" exist, they suddenly went "wow, then it must be real because this guy said so, even though I've doubted everyone else?"

Again, you're arguing to a phantom brick wall. No one in this thread (well, I know I certainly didn't) claim Edge made huge strides for the wrestling industry in his comment. He just stood up for himself. There was a reason to do it, because the comments made by the interviewer were completely inappropriate.

Even if you do classify wrestling as fake, there is no reason for her to make it anyway. Or whoever was pulling her strings to write it for her. It was just meaningless on her part. Edge answered her question, but did it with a little "oomph".

[Mr. Nerfect]

No, he made his little pathetic plea for understanding under the guise of talking about Iraq. So, no, Edge is not the man.

He answered her question. She asked what he thought about going, and Edge said it was his first time, and then he explained why, likely because it played off her condescending statements earlier.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yes, by the way, Edge was witty. If you're in preschool.

:| Watch out, Conan.

[Driven]

I saw the segment... when she said that I knew Edge was going to comeback with something. He said it in an agitated, yet suddle way. He did not wrong. If he would have kept going and straying away from the topic, then it would have been a problem.

[M-A-G]

He answered her question. She asked what he thought about going, and Edge said it was his first time, and then he explained why, likely because it played off her condescending statements earlier.


OMFG! What is so condescending about calling wrestling 'fake'? Seriously?

[M-A-G]

For the record, taking an innocent, and true, comment personally and trying to look bigger by 'educating' the 'offending' party = not the man.

[Afterlife]

What did it accomplish? What positive element came from it?

Explain it to me, I'm still missing it. Did Edge "need" to defend himself? If so, wasn't there a better, smarter way?




O.k... The self-implosive problem today, is that you seem to be making a huge deal out of the misconception that this has to be a huge deal.

Let's use an analogy, since they work so well with you.

I made mention that you like to argue over nothing at every chance you get. You neg repped me for said action. Did that accomplish any great, monumental feat? Did it make you look like a big man? Did it, in fact, make you better or smarter? No. But I'm sure it made you feel a little "Shut the fuck up" satisfaction.

It doesn't have to be a world-changing epic everytime a wrestler says or does something, Honcho. She slighted the biz, and he snapped back. That is, for all intents and purposes, all there is to it.

[Afterlife]

It's not a contradiction; it's sarcasm.

But I forgot. You never let the facts get in the way of an argument. You had to make up the meaning behind my Klan statements for that one, now you're doing it here.

Oh, and I didn't cop out; I have over 95 K posts here. Sorry I don't remember them all, and when called one a statement I don't recall making, all the little bitches cry foul rather than actually prove it.

God, if you dumb cunts are so sure I made it, find it. I didn't deny it; and I'm still not. All you need to do to show me the errors of my way is find the statement. It'll be even easier for you, Afterlife, as you seem able to lie and instill meanings that aren't there.


To be perfectly frank, I never forced any meaning behind your Klan comment. As I stated about thirty times, it was just a lousy metaphor.

[addy2hotty]

On a recent "Tonight Show with Jay Leno", Jay mentioned Kevin Federline's upcoming appearance on WWE TV on January 1. Jay added quote, "Did you hear that 'K-Fed' Kevin Federline is actually going to wrestle the current WWE Champion on an upcoming pay per view special? (audience laughs) Yeah apparently K-Fed is going to quit fake rapping and start fake fighting."

- PWInsider

Edge vs Jay Leno, Wrestlemania, Ford Field. For all the marbles.

[Blitz]

I remember those comments HHH made about Angle. Pretty sure there's a topic on here somewhere about it.

Look, the bottom line is the interviewer disparaged Edge's profession, a profession that has taken it's toll on him. She probably didn't mean to, but she did. It was a thoughtless comment. Edge responded. He didn't go nuts and start yelling at her or anything like that, he merely inferred that the business wasn't as fake as she thinks. Dunno how you can say that he wasn't in the right here.

[M-A-G]

*sigh* I want to say something but you know what? I just don't have the energy anymore. Continue with the hero worship and continue with the impression that this woman made fun of wrestling. Yes, fine, Edge is the man. Whatever. Let's move on.

[RVDmark]

On a recent "Tonight Show with Jay Leno", Jay mentioned Kevin Federline's upcoming appearance on WWE TV on January 1. Jay added quote, "Did you hear that 'K-Fed' Kevin Federline is actually going to wrestle the current WWE Champion on an upcoming pay per view special? (audience laughs) Yeah apparently K-Fed is going to quit fake rapping and start fake fighting."

- PWInsider

Edge vs Jay Leno, Wrestlemania, Ford Field. For all the marbles.

Fake fighting > Fake Rapping :shifty:

I haven't seen the video so I may later change my opinion but so far I believe Edge was right in what he did. IF he wandered into work at 9 in the morning and went home at 5, then it would have been over-reacting. Its his whole profession he is defending its not a job, it's a lifestyle.

He had to say something to her, I'm sure there are people in the locker-room would've been pissed if he hadn't. Whether he said the right thing or not I can't say but he only had a few seconds to come up with a reply.

[Mr. Nerfect]

OMFG! What is so condescending about calling wrestling 'fake'? Seriously?

Do you think wrestlers call it "fake"? Edge obviously took offence to it. You don't offend your guests like that. It's unprofessional, and if you say something to offend someone like that, you are being ignorant and condescending.

There was no need for her to make that comment. It's probably not her fault, I assume the line was fed to her, but the whole concept behind saying "What you do is bullshit and not worth our time" was just plain silly of them.

[Jeritron]

Look, she wasn't intentionally being ignorant. But thats the whole point, ignorance comes from not knowing, so she offended him and what he did on a personal level, whether you agree with it or not she clearly offended him.
So he said something about it. Nothing over the top, nothing thats gonna make the top of the news as an embarassing flip out, just a sly retort. He said what he felt he should in a calm manner and she noted it. She even said "I hope that broken neck is feeling better." Which was her apologizing for it without drawing too much attention.

[Vastardikai]

*Reads the thread after page 2, and thinks deeply. He then clears his throat and applies some throat spray.*

I Don't Fucking Care Anymore!

*Leaves the thread, thoroughly satisfied.*

[Afterlife]

Look, she wasn't intentionally being ignorant. But thats the whole point, ignorance comes from not knowing, so she offended him and what he did on a personal level, whether you agree with it or not she clearly offended him.
So he said something about it. Nothing over the top, nothing thats gonna make the top of the news as an embarassing flip out, just a sly retort. He said what he felt he should in a calm manner and she noted it. She even said "I hope that broken neck is feeling better." Which was her apologizing for it without drawing too much attention.

I say! Is this the input from an actual witness of said event? Perhaps if everyone saw it, their respective opinions would be considered equally valid.

[M-A-G]

So if Kevin Federline made a remark against Jay Leno for making fun of his profession would that make him the man, too?

[Ninti the Mad]

I say we go back to the original point of this thread.

That Edge is the man.

[Jeritron]

Edge is the man regardless of this incident. And since this incident doesn't neccesarily enhance or diminish that much either way, Edge remains the man.

[Afterlife]

Well, technically, Edge has been kind of a douche since the whole "I'm gonna pork my best friend's woman while he's out on sick leave and hope the ol' ball-and-chain don't find out" thing.


Technically.

[Jeritron]

Yes but it's hard to judge him on that, as a wrestler and part of the business. Who knows what goes on involving relationships, sex, and extra-marital affairs and what not backstage...I respect Edge as a wrestler, a true fan of the business and a hardworker who has had a diverse career and worked his way up the ladder. Something not most who make it in the WWE do.

[Afterlife]

Yeah. But I can tell you, first hand, that, although while drunk, it's a perfectly good idea to bang your friend's woman, once you sober up, you don't keep doing it. In fact, it makes you feel like kind of a douche.

But, whatever. He's got more money than me, so I guess he wins this round. (angry fist)

[McLegend]

STFU it was probably a work, and then add that Matt Hardy was released, and Edge actually got a title reign becasue of that whole thing makes Edge even more of the man.

Still it was more then likely a work.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So if Kevin Federline made a remark against Jay Leno for making fun of his profession would that make him the man, too?

Um, that's parody. You don't go on fucking CNN expecting to be slandered like that. Do you see the difference between a late night variety program and a news program?

[Destor]

STFU it was probably a work, and then add that Matt Hardy was released, and Edge actually got a title reign becasue of that whole thing makes Edge even more of the man.

Still it was more then likely a work.Ok, you're retarded.

[McLegend]

lol

[Skippord]

Its rather unsettling that this is my most popular thread

[M-A-G]

REP FOR SKIPPORD!

[Skippord]

:D