What (non-Ipod) MP3 Player should I get?

[Xero]

Wasn't sure where to put this, so move it if need be.

I won't get into it, but my old 30GB creative nomad died on me today because of a firmware upgrade and I need a new MP3 player for under $200 (preferably under $150) that plays Napster tracks (hence why I can't use an IPod). I'd like a generous amount of space, 10gb being the minimum, and one that isn't all-around shit (as this one was). Does anyone have any suggestions?

[Savio]

get tunebite

[Kane Knight]

Creative is asskicking.

[Bad Company]

Iriver

[Savio]

NO! Iriver = gay

[Bad Company]

I know a few people with different generation Iriver players and they are fine.
I've got an Iaudio, it's great, recommend them as well, but seem kinda hard to find these days.

[BCWWF]

That new Microsoft one, Zune or whatever, looks shitty.

[Kane Knight]

I'd buy a Zune if they had a 80 GB model.

[DS]

Do not buy a Zune. It could have been good but they sucked it up. They put Wi-Fi in it but all you can do is "squirt" a song to another Zune in which the "3 days or 3 plays" comes into effect. Then it stops working. Not to mention all the digital rights crap that goes on with it.

[Skippord]

http://us.creative.com/products/welcomeus213.html

Dont know if that'll help

[Xero]

Yeah, I'm considering (and will probably wind up with) a Creative, even though this last one left a sour taste in my mouth.

Keep the suggestions coming on specific models though.

[Kane Knight]

Besides Napster compatabilit, what are some pros and cons for you? Do you want video? Large storage? size a factor?

I know few people who have had problems with their creative MP3 players.

[Blitz]

My last player was a Creative Zen 20GB, and I never had a problem. I bought an 80GB iPod, and it's been even better. And yeah, use Tunebite. It lets you rerecord protected songs into unprotected MP3s.

[Skippord]

BTW if you want video the Zen Vision M has better quality than an Ipod video

[Kane Knight]

What is tunebite, and does it work with all protected audio?

[Xero]

Besides Napster compatabilit, what are some pros and cons for you? Do you want video? Large storage? size a factor?

I know few people who have had problems with their creative MP3 players.
I really don't care about video, but ease of navigation and storage (10GB+) are my main needs. Don't really care about size.

As for Tunebite, it re-records your music into another format through your sound card I believe. You lose quality that way, though, so only an actual stripping of DRM would be worth it in my opinion.

[Savio]

correct, it does it automatically our you go through tune bite and it'll play the song at like 4x speed and record

[Kane Knight]

If there is a loss of quality, that's a pretty poor way to run a railroad.

[Xero]

Gonna wait a few weeks on a real MP3 player but I'm going to get a temporary one today. 128MB Coby. Was going to get something like that anyway strictly for podcasts so it works out. And it's only $20...

But yeah, any other suggestions would be cool.

[Blitz]

I've only used Tunebite once, but I didn't notice any lose of quality.

[ct2k]

This probably won't help but I've read a few times recently that a lot of Taiwanese (etc) companies are now making a wide range of incredibly cheap players that are pretty much as good as anything the biggies are making and a fraction of the cost:-\

[Downunder]

iRiver

[OssMan]

personal tape recorder