Raw Feb. 16, 2004

[Savio]

BENOIT TO SEEK REVENGE ON HBK
Feb. 16, 2004
For 18 years he has waited for the opportunity of a lifetime to become the World Heavyweight Champion. After going through 29 other men at the Royal Rumble, Chris Benoit thought he had earned his shot at Triple H for WrestleMania XX. However, last week on RAW, Benoit’s plans hit a bump in the road when Shawn Michaels interrupted his contract signing with Triple H to try to persuade Benoit to allow HBK the opportunity to finish what he has started with the World Heavyweight Champion. When Benoit refused, Michaels knocked him out cold and signed his own name to the contract to face Triple H at WrestleMania XX.

RAW General Manager Eric Bischoff said he had to consult his lawyers concerning the situation Michaels created, so the status of the WrestleMania XX match is up in the air. What is not up in the air is that when RAW comes to you live from Bakersfield, California next week, Benoit will have his shot at Michaels by order of Bischoff. One week after forcing the legendary Ric Flair to tap out, will he gain his revenge on HBK? What will happen with the World Heavyweight Championship Match at WrestleMania XX? Find out on RAW!

Also on RAW, last week, Kane learned that at WrestleMania XX, the dead will rise again, and there was a suggestion that somehow the Undertaker has been behind the paranormal events facing Kane recently from beyond the grave. Will Kane have a reaction to the news he received last week? Tune in to find out!

Last week, it was also revealed that Goldberg was suspended from action by Mr. McMahon after attempting a Spear on the WWE Chairman. Mr. McMahon made it clear to Bischoff that if Goldberg does anything more than observe the WWE Championship Match between Brock Lesnar and Eddie Guerrero, it would be bad news for Bischoff. Did Goldberg make Lesnar next as he promised? See the fallout from No Way Out on RAW next week at 9/8 CT on Spike TV!
~www.WWE.com

[Rock Bottom]

Oops, didn't see this thread.

Oh well. RAW is gonna be hawt.

[Savio]

:(

[Ricky]

Mods please delete this thread there is already another one.

[Savio]

Hopefully its a fair fight between HBK and Benoit

[Savio]

Mods please delete this thread there is already another one.
shutup homo.

[Ricky]

LOL

Shut up and someone hurry up and get rid of this thing.

[YOUR Hero]

The title of this thread works better than the other, therfore is will become the 'official' one for tonight.

[Savio]

That would be against the rules.
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Wrestling_god made that thread so it'd look like he made the first one.

[Rock Bottom]

Word

ty Hero

[Savio]

The Wall is probably having a wank right now.
No I'm having sex with your mother

[Rock Bottom]

Okay, so I'm going to try and make a call here tonight. I forsee Benoit looking strong against Michaels, but Triple H costing Benoit the match, leaving both Benoit and Michaels, along with the fans in "shock."

[Ricky]

LOL what an insult, I am crying right now.

Crying with laughter that is.

[Rock Bottom]

Yeah and I'm crying with shut the fuc</>k up. Seriously, this is a RAW thread.

[Savio]

LOL what an insult, I am crying right now.

Crying with laughter that is.
Yeah I' was stooping down to your wanking remark.

[Savio]

Yeah and I'm crying with shut the fuc</>k up. Seriously, this is a RAW thread.
:y: :yes:

[Joe Kerr]

lol

[Rock Bottom]

Now that all of the pubescent urges are carried out, anyone know anything else about the card tonight?

[AareDub]

All the fighting in the Raw thread a few weeks ago (when there were 2) really killed it, let try to keep this one on topic tonight.

Is anybody else expecting to see The Rock tonight? They're in Cali so I think it'll happen.

[Rock Bottom]

I hope so. Rock showing up would blow the roof off the place.

[Savio]

What will the Undertaker do???????? I'm guessing something with the taker crusfix

[Joe Kerr]

All the fighting in the Raw thread a few weeks ago (when there were 2) really killed it, let try to keep this one on topic tonight.

Is anybody else expecting to see The Rock tonight? They're in Cali so I think it'll happen.
they do need to promote him for wrestlemanina

[Joe Kerr]

love how benoit fell .....plunk

[Rock Bottom]

I wanna see The Rock beat up some jobber tag team again. :-\

[Loose Cannon]

WOOOOOO RAW

[Superman16343]

TIME TO PLAY THE GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME

[Rock Bottom]

Taking a 20 minute shi</>t, be back when HHH is done.

[Loose Cannon]

and just as I typed that, look who's coming out.

[Superman16343]

what is with the Wrestlemania XX sign hanging in the arena?

[Savio]

Gonna watch RAW bye ppl. Be back if something good happens.

[Rock Bottom]

Wow. He's talking about WMX style.

[Joe Kerr]

an hour of wrestling and a hour of promos...i mean promos is what we like right?

[Rock Bottom]

O.O

[Rock Bottom]

Title fight tonight!

[Mr. JL]

Oh god... please don't tell me were going to see Triple H wrestle twice at Wrestle Mania XX.

[Joe Kerr]

BENOIT ALMOST REMINDS ME OF A MIDGET! :shifty:

[Loose Cannon]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Loose Cannon]

ORTON...........*****marks out

[Rock Bottom]

I can't believe what I just saw...













Triple H just sold!?

[Mr. JL]

Where's Wrestling_God???????????????

[Savio]

:lol: "Critics agree striperella is on spike TV"

[Loose Cannon]

Don't woory guys, Orton's got everything under control

[Fox]

wtf is happening?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I forsee Foley attacking Orton, distracting Flair/Batista, causing them to lose the match and the belts.</font>

[Rock Bottom]

<font color=goldenrod>I forsee Foley attacking Orton, distracting Flair/Batista, causing them to lose the match and the belts.</font>

Big possibility, especially since Triple H was like "Make sure nothing else goes wrong." I'd love to see Evolution fall apart on the road to WM.

[Mr. JL]

Is it just me or does RVD look mad pissed off?

[Mr. JL]

He looks like ... "I just got told I wasn't going to be on the card at Wrestle Mania XX" pissed off!!!

[Kristanna Vola]

Yeah he ain't is usual 'buzz' self :wtf:

[jessica rocks]

I dont know if anyone else caught this....but sLalwler when previewing the matches for tonight slipped up and said Flair and Batista will beat RVD and Booker T tonight for the World Tag Team Championship. Watching match right now eagar to see how it ends up

[Coco Cow]

Is it just me, or was the ring squeaking?

[loopydate]

I dont know if anyone else caught this....but sLalwler when previewing the matches for tonight slipped up and said Flair and Batista will beat RVD and Booker T tonight for the World Tag Team Championship. Watching match right now eagar to see how it ends up

Lawler's an Evolution mark. Of course he'll say Evolution's going to win.

[Kristanna Vola]

Go Mick Go!

[jessica rocks]

Lawler's an Evolution mark. Of course he'll say Evolution's going to win.
Im talkin at the beginning of the night when he was saying what matches were going to happen.

[Joe Kerr]

YES!

[jessica rocks]

Im talkin at the beginning of the night when he was saying what matches were going to happen.
But seeing as RVD and Booker just won guess it wasn't anything
.

NEWWWW TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSSSSSSS

RVD AND BOOKER TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I forsee Foley attacking Orton, distracting Flair/Batista, causing them to lose the match and the belts.</font>

:cool: :cool: :cool:

[Kristanna Vola]

New Tag Champeennnnnnnns :y:

[Mr. JL]

Didn't see that coming.

[Savio]

<font color=goldenrod>I forsee Foley attacking Orton, distracting Flair/Batista, causing them to lose the match and the belts.</font>
:yes:

[Savio]

Flair didn't look into this match and was sloppy.

[Mr. JL]

NEW TAG TEAM CHAMPIONS OF THE WOOOOOOOOOOOOOORLD!!! *Road dogg voice*

[Loose Cannon]

YAY GUERRERO

[Joe Kerr]

christian is stealing my clothes

[Joe Kerr]

geez whats christian gonna do with that rose....hmmmmm i wonder...wheres trish

[jessica rocks]

i like christians shirt wonder if he'll let me borrow it????

[Savio]

Haha nice shirt christain.

[Rock Bottom]

RAW owns so far. Got new champs, Benoit kicked Triple H's ass, Foley beat Orton up, Foley and Orton are going to fight, and Kane vs. Jericho. And it's only 45 minutes through. We have yet to see The Undertaker promo as well. And also, Bischoff is either getting his ass kicked, or having an answer for the WMXX main event.

Yeah. RAW owns tonight. This is the best show I have seen in a long time. Years even.

[Joe Kerr]

waiting for bells

[OssMan]

my ****in mom wont let me watch
aaaaaaah

[Kristanna Vola]

here we go...

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>*MARKS THE F</>UCK OUT*</font>

[Kristanna Vola]

holy shit! *marks out* whoa

[Joe Kerr]

rain? sweet

[Loose Cannon]

WOW NICE!!!!

[Savio]

When ever that music plays I get cold.

[Rock Bottom]

Blah, that was kinda weak compared to the lightning. Oh well, still cool.

[Mr. JL]

<font color=goldenrod>*MARKS THE F</>UCK OUT*</font>
you said it.

[Innovator]

someone fill me in on this weeks mark out taker moment

[Kristanna Vola]

Blah, that was kinda weak compared to the lightning. Oh well, still cool.

I somewhat agree (after calming down) but a very cool scene with the rain anyway :y:

[Loose Cannon]

*******BOWS DOWN

[Kristanna Vola]

Props to the girl with the sign 'will you marry me Randy?" smart gurl :lol:

[Loose Cannon]

kick his ass Orton

[Rock Bottom]

Rock comes out to count Orton's shoulders down? LoL. I'm hoping. Something. Damnit, Rock.

[loopydate]

DAMN HIM FOR A LOWBLOW IN AN UNSANCTIONED MATCH! THAT'S AGAINST THE...wait--

[Loose Cannon]

Man am I loving this

[Mr. JL]

Did you see Batista kicking Foley. He looks like a f'n goof.

[Joe Kerr]

is there a point to this?

[Loose Cannon]

LOL at Orton falling back

[Rock Bottom]

That was mad gay.

[Joe Kerr]

no point to that....waisting time?

[Savio]

Where's Rocky????

[Boondock Saint]

maybe he forgot

[Mr. JL]

Whats the point??? Gets Orton some huge heat. Which he's going to need for their WM XX match

[Loose Cannon]

LOL at Bischoff

[Loose Cannon]

OH SHIT

[Joe Kerr]

Vince vs. Bicshoff

[Rock Bottom]

I think it completely ironic that Stone Cold Steve Austin of all people would set Bischoff up like that to McMahon, LOL.

[jessica rocks]

Vinnie Mac and Bischoff sighh

[Innovator]

Vince vs. Bisch?????????

[Rock Bottom]

Vinnie Mac and Bischoff sighh

So? That's good stuff.

[jessica rocks]

Ii'd rather watch socko vs. pepe than bischoff vs. mcmahon

[Boondock Saint]

Never thought Victoria was all that good looking, but tonight, wowzers.

[Loose Cannon]

VICTORIA = HOTT

[Loose Cannon]

****marks out for Widow's Peak

[Boondock Saint]

And the Widow's Peak is a pretty sick move

[jessica rocks]

widows peak is f'n awesome

[jessica rocks]

i still want christians shirt

[Rock Bottom]

lol. I love Christian.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Why that C.L.B. :mad:

[Rock Bottom]

Molly has breedin' hips

[Joe Kerr]

christian is so me

[jessica rocks]

I dont know who to cheer for........

[Rock Bottom]

Main event estimated time: 28 minutes long?

Wonder what will happen tonight. Must be something huge if the main event is starting this early. I expect this match to rule.

And no, it will not be a slobber knocker.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

This is a match I personally have waited for since like 96

[Kristanna Vola]

I dont know who to cheer for........

the one from Edmonton Alberta, Canada... :p

[jessica rocks]

wonder how long before HHH sticks his nose into the match :shifty:

[Mr. JL]

In my opinion HBK-Benoit should be happening at Backlash in Canada... after Benoit beats Triple H clean one on one at Wrestle Mania XX. But hey... this is still f'n sweet!

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Opinions so far

Loved the set up for Vince-Bisch.
Great womans match, Molly, Victoria, and Trish looked gorgeous.
Great but extremely obvious advancement of Jericho, Trish, and the CLB must be more work from the writer Steph hired.
Can't wait for the return of the dead man.
Match of the year canidate next! :cool:

[HeartBreakMan2k]

wonder how long before HHH sticks his nose into the match :shifty:

DO NOT give them that idea :rant:

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Holy crap they're making Chris look strong.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I love the roles they're playing. Chris with the hungry, next generation superstar. HBK playing the smart vet role. Great story telling already *creaming pants*

These are the roles they should play at Mania, and Trips should play the desperate champion.

[Rock Bottom]

Michaels is getting boos now and then. People seem behind Benoit. Interesting, that's a good sign for Benoit.

...Commercial.

...They pick the tag title match, and the main event to do commercials - wtf?

[Mr. JL]

stupid COMMERCIALS!!!!!!

[jessica rocks]

[QUOTE


Match of the year canidate next! :cool:[/QUOTE]


hell yeah :y:

[Rock Bottom]

More like commercial of the year. Matches of the year don't have commercials.

They just totally ruined a perfect match. It'll still be good, but jesus people.

[Rock Bottom]

Fuc</>k Taco Bell and their chalupas.

[Rock Bottom]

Benoit is over HBK right now. That rules.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

God I love the new submission/ground based wrestling style WWE is going for. It's even making the womans matches great (they were good before, great now)

[Innovator]

i love how the minute my college cancels spike tv RAW gets good.......*very very very bitter*

[Rock Bottom]

Notice the chorus of boos every time Michaels kicks out.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Shut the fu</>ck up about Stone Cold and "stone cold law" already. No one gives a shit about Austin's character.

[BasicThuganomics]

WOW I have had people bugging me all night so i have been in and out of my room, but this has still been one of the most enjoyable RAW's I have have seen in awhile. Thats saying alot since i have been enjoying WWE alot lately. Ohyeah, and Benoit is the ****ing man tonite. This match has been very intense and very good. Very few holds have been used and they haven't slowed the pace very much at all. I'm glad that Benoit is looking so strong tonite...

[Rock Bottom]

The toothless aggression is literally squeezed out of Benoit!

[jessica rocks]

the one thing that is making this from bing the best Raw ever the fact that tonight the main event for WMXX is gonna be announced *crosses fingers* please no triple threat please no triple threat

[HeartBreakMan2k]

The fans are split, I love that.

[Loose Cannon]

They're oooooooo's not booooo's at the kick outs

[Rock Bottom]

This match is so old school esque...

[Rock Bottom]

GOODNIGHT SHAWN, TAP BITCH.

[Rock Bottom]

TAP TO THE SHARPSHOOTER SLUT

[BasicThuganomics]

**** YEAH SHARPSHOOTER!!!!!!!!!

[jessica rocks]

lol @ sharpshooter

[Kristanna Vola]

that's for bret :)

[HeartBreakMan2k]

LOL @ Shawn having to say "Pull me out"

[Loose Cannon]

Ring the Bell Earl god dammit

[Rock Bottom]

...

Man.

[Kristanna Vola]

TAP TO THE SHARPSHOOTER SLUT
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Holy crap this is everything you could ask for so far.

[BasicThuganomics]

DAMN, this match rules almost anything I've ever seen on live TV

[Rock Bottom]

Benoit had better go over Michaels. Or I am going to urinate all over my TV.

This match owns..

There goes HHH just like I said, watch, he screws Benoit.

[Loose Cannon]

FU** NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[jessica rocks]

shit i cursed it

[The Iron Yuppie]

Shit, here comes the big nosed goon.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

FU</>CK YOU TRIPLE H! FU</>CK YOU!

[Kristanna Vola]

****!

[Loose Cannon]

MOTHER FK'N SON OF A BIT**.

[BasicThuganomics]

**** HHH!!!!! **** THE STUPID KLIQUE!!!!!!

[Boondock Saint]

Triple H looks kinda gay

[Rock Bottom]

...What did I say...

[Loose Cannon]

WHAT THE FU** IS THIS

[Rock Bottom]

That match was good... but Michaels winning that match was... ghey.

[jessica rocks]

*tosses stone cold a beer

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Great match, piss poor ending. Not just because Michaels won (Benoit needed to win, and that's coming from an HBK mark) but because the way it ended. HHH should not have been involved. Completely ruined the flow of the match. And Austin coming out now doesn't help either.

[Kristanna Vola]

only thing that would save this if Austin ran him over....shit :mad:

[BasicThuganomics]

Shit, that was going for a MOTY and it got all ****ed up....... and now i don't wanna see SCSA announce the triple threat...

[The Iron Yuppie]

Typical Kilq ending

[V]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :(

[jessica rocks]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[BasicThuganomics]

it better at least be the ladder match i've heard about...

[Loose Cannon]

SCREW YOU HHH

[Rock Bottom]

It's okay Triple H. It's not real, remember? Calm down...

[BasicThuganomics]

damnitdamnitdamnitdamnit!!!! I'm too pissed to even watch the swimsuit special and whack it... well maybe not... but i'm still pissed!

[Kristanna Vola]

well that ****ed up a awesome raw (was)

[jessica rocks]

it better at least be the ladder match i've heard about...


even a ladder match wouldn't save this fight

[HeartBreakMan2k]

The match was great, and frankly a draw I would have loved. HBK over Benoit could have worked, but involving Triple H killed the flow.

[BasicThuganomics]

jk by the way :shifty:

[Savio]

Only 4 matches?....Night guys that last match was tiring me. recording the swim suit special

[Rock Bottom]

The match was great, and frankly a draw I would have loved. HBK over Benoit could have worked, but involving Triple H killed the flow.

I agree with pretty much all of your posts tonight. The ending was STUPID and the match was gold.

[BasicThuganomics]

even a ladder match wouldn't save this fight


Yeah but If it's not a traditional one on one, then a ladder match will make it a more worthy main event for WMXX...

[Blue Demon]

goddammit...way to ruin what the Rumble stands for...Triple threats should NOT be a main event for Wrestlemania.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

even a ladder match wouldn't save this fight

The match is going to be great at Mania. HBK makes HHH do well. They have great matches, we saw the match Benoit and Michaels can have, so the three of them should be a great match, so long as Benoit goes over clean.

[BasicThuganomics]

damnit and now spike is blurring out the nipples on the girls tonite sucks right now...

[What Would Kevin Do?]

The match would be much better if it was old school ECW Three Way Dance

[HeartBreakMan2k]

The only way Michaels should have gone over Benoit was through HIM cheating. No distractions or anything, but Michaels being so desperate, that he, the LEGEND, had to cheat. Benoit going over clean should have been the first option though.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Benoit needs the momentum, but if he gets put over in the end against Michaels in Edmonton it's all good...but still, just stupid.

[BasicThuganomics]

The match is going to be great at Mania. HBK makes HHH do well. They have great matches, we saw the match Benoit and Michaels can have, so the three of them should be a great match, so long as Benoit goes over clean.


Yeah but triple threats can be predictable, everyone hits finishers, and blocks the other persons 3 count a billion times...
A ladder match would make this match more memorable I think...

[HeartBreakMan2k]

The match would be much better if it was old school ECW Three Way Dance

Only if Benoit pinned HHH first. That way Benoit gets the clean win over Hunter, then wins the belt over Michaels. I would say get rid of Shawn first, but frankly I don't think HHH could have half the match with Benoit that Michaels could.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Yeah but triple threats can be predictable, everyone hits finishers, and blocks the other persons 3 count a billion times...
A ladder match would make this match more memorable I think...

I agree, but in the same token, I'm not so sure HHH could handle a ladder match now. Michaels I know could, Benoit I know could... Hunter just raises doubts to me.

[loopydate]

Is WWE trying to make Triple H look stupid? I thought he was supposed to be invincible and several steps ahead of the game...so why the f</>uck was he surprised that the WMXX main event is *gasp* a Triple Threat? There are TWO number one contenders for your belt, and you refused to do TWO matches in one night. What did you think was gonna happen, Pinocchio?

[BasicThuganomics]

I agree, but in the same token, I'm not so sure HHH could handle a ladder match now. Michaels I know could, Benoit I know could... Hunter just raises doubts to me.
Really? why do u think that? HHH has been doing good lately since he doesn't seem to have injuries slowing him down? He's still a backstage asshole, but he's at least been performing pretty well I think.

[Loose Cannon]

Is WWE trying to make Triple H look stupid? I thought he was supposed to be invincible and several steps ahead of the game...so why the f</>uck was he surprised that the WMXX main event is *gasp* a Triple Threat? There are TWO number one contenders for your belt, and you refused to do TWO matches in one night. What did you think was gonna happen, Pinocchio?

I guess the game must be on pause

[The CyNick]

A triple threat is a tougher match to lay out then a singles. So saying that HBK vs HHH was and HBK vs Benoit was good, means HHH vs HBK vs Benoit will be great is false. Dont get me wrong, it could be great, but I dont think it will be good as either combination in a singles.

I hope they end up making it Elimination, but I know better. Seems odd they didn't announce the Ladder stip, maybe they went against that idea, so at least Benoit gets to pin one of them. Still, I think this hurts the match overall, but we'll see.

Rest of the show was solid enough.

I really liked the Foley beatdown, that was some good stuff, without resorting to gimmicks, Foley took some stiff looking shots to the face.

Vince vs Eric is gay. I mean that match has no meaning now, maybe if they would have done that when Bisch showed up on RAW instead of hugging Vince, but I guess thats why I'm not a booker.........

BT and RVD get the tag straps as I predicted, but I wonder if this puts them on the card at Mania or not, I know I have my doubts. Speaking of tag teams, where are the Dudleys these days? I mean I know on Heat, but whats the deal there? And did they fire all the other tag teams on RAW?

Christian is a hillarious mofo.

That Matt Hardy segment was great, they are totally using him right, and NOT wasting him whatsoever.

Vince makes a big announcement next week, I had heard that Vince was getting in the Kane-Taker angle, but I'm thinking he'll just announce Lesnar vs Goldber and/or Kane vs Taker. I guess it will require his approval since they are RAW vs SD matches. Unless they have some larger plan with Eric vs Vince for Mania, God I hope not.

Anyway, good show, great main event, of course then there was the Kliq approved burrial of Benoit, but hey thats how you build up a guy who is scheduled to get the World Title and then fail so he can JOB the title back to HHH.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Really? why do u think that? HHH has been doing good lately since he doesn't seem to have injuries slowing him down? He's still a backstage asshole, but he's at least been performing pretty well I think.

I don't know. I mean, he just doesn't have that stride that he used to in my opinion. I mean, maybe he'll suprise me, and I agree he's been doing great, but his opponent has been Shawn, and Shawn could drag my grandmother to a 4 star match (same could be said for Jericho, Benoit, and Angle). Just ladder matches depend more on individual responsibility to me. You can't really be carried in a match like that without it being overly obvious.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

A triple threat is a tougher match to lay out then a singles. So saying that HBK vs HHH was and HBK vs Benoit was good, means HHH vs HBK vs Benoit will be great is false. Dont get me wrong, it could be great, but I dont think it will be good as either combination in a singles.

I can agree with that. I just think that without the ladder, HBK and Benoit could guide the match from an athletic stand point, and HHH is smart enough during the match (not at ends, as he loves to bury people at the very end) that he could place his spots well. I just think the ladder would complicate things.

But yeah, you're definently right, a singles match would be much better. :y:

[BasicThuganomics]

What did Matt hardy do on RAW? I missed him... :(

[Boondock Saint]

What did Matt hardy do on RAW? I missed him... :(

Ya me too. wtf You blink and he's gone.

[The One]

Why can't WWE just stick to what has worked. All I ask for is one match in the entire year putting the two top guys one on one against each other. Why must we make Triple Threats? Did we not learn our lesson from WrestleMania 2000? Oh well...let's just look forward to to REAL Main Event, Kurt Angle vs. Eddie Guerrero. Hey that reminds my brain, what will be the Main Event (Last Match). I say it should be like every other WrestleMania (Besides XI) and be revolved around the WWE Title.

[BasicThuganomics]

Why can't WWE just stick to what has worked. All I ask for is one match in the entire year putting the two top guys one on one against each other. Why must we make Triple Threats? Did we not learn our lesson from WrestleMania 2000? Oh well...let's just look forward to to REAL Main Event, Kurt Angle vs. Eddie Guerrero. Hey that reminds my brain, what will be the Main Event (Last Match). I say it should be like every other WrestleMania (Besides XI) and be revolved around the WWE Title.

Benoit won the Rumble so his match is gonna be main event. And this match can't be compared to 2000, the workers in this match are WAY better than 2000.

And what happened at WMXI I can't remember?

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Eddie and Kurt should be the main event, but since Benoit won the rumble, HHH and HBK are in the World title match, that'll headline. I get the bad feeling that Kurt Eddie with be at like mid way, followed by Taker/Kane, Brock/Goldberg then the triple threat. I hope I'm wrong though.

[6to1]

vince vs bischoff, which one will be the heel? i smell another linda returns and is with bischoff. i would root for eric he's a cooler heel.

[BasicThuganomics]

Although, I will agree a one on one match is a better choice, but this isn't a complete disaster...

[Loose Cannon]

WTF MATT HARDY. WHEN DID THIS OCCUR

[BasicThuganomics]

Eddie and Kurt is not nearly as marketable as the triple threat though, so I don't think they should be the main event.

But I think everyone already knows that Eddie Kurt will be the show stealer.


In fact, I am going to be dissapointed if this isn't the MOTY.

[Boondock Saint]

Hahah, now that I look back at Cynick's post, I believe that was sarcasm. Well played.

[BasicThuganomics]

CyNick said something about a Matt Hardy segment, and how they are not misusing him on RAW, so maybe he was just being sarcastic and i was too stupid to realize it?

[The One]

Well, lets use WrestleMania XI as an example of good and bad here. I HATED that Shawn Michaels vs. Deisal was not the Main Event of WrestleMania XI because Shawn won the Rumble so his Title Chance should be the main focus. But it wasn't. Bam Bam Bigalow vs. Lawrence Taylor was the Main Event. Well if we are bending rules here to allow Triple Threat matches, why not bend a few more rules and let the WWE Title Match be the final match. Besides, if you are going to argue about the idea of Benoit vs. Michaels vs. Triple being more "over" as terms of excitment of the 2 title matches, just think back to WrestleMania X-8 when The Rock facing Hogan was the big draw, and Jericho/HHH was still the last match. I say WWE put Eddie vs. Kurt last, some T&A 2nd to last, and the Triple Threat match 3rd from last. But that just how I would do it.

[BasicThuganomics]

Eddie vs Kurt is not going to be as over as the triple threat. Kurt is just not that big of a draw...
And you can't compare to WMX8, Hogan Rock is like the biggest match ever from a drawing standpoint, and the HHH/Y2J match was booked horribly and built up badly before that.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I like the idea, minus the T&A. I really don't want to watch that when I'm watching wrestling, maybe Molly vs Victoria, or Molly vs Jazz, but no pointless T&A.

[The One]

I like the idea, minus the T&A. I really don't want to watch that when I'm watching wrestling, maybe Molly vs Victoria, or Molly vs Jazz, but no pointless T&A.

Hey man, believe me, I HATE T&A in wrestling. However we all KNOW it is going to be there. So why not put it in between the big two matches and give everyone who likes it a chance to wank, while all real wrestling fans go take a piss break and pop some more popcorn.

[BasicThuganomics]

I would have Kurt/Eddie 4th to last, Taker/Kane 3rd to last, Brock/Goldberg 2nd to last, and Triple Threat last.

for these reasons...
Kurt/Eddie is going to be an awesome match and will be nearly impossible to follow. So since Kane/Taker and Brock/Goldberg is more about the hype of the match happening, and isn't expected to be a classic 5 star match they should follow the Kurt/Eddie match which will be so hard to follow from a wrestling standpoint.
After seeing possibly fair or good matches from these two, the Triple threat main event will have a better chance to look good, and will be easier to get the crowd hyped up for the main event after what will be a very long nearly 5 hour show.

damn that didn't make any sense but oh well....

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Hey man, believe me, I HATE T&A in wrestling. However we all KNOW it is going to be there. So why not put it in between the big two matches and give everyone who likes it a chance to wank, while all real wrestling fans go take a piss break and pop some more popcorn.

True. I just kinda think it's a shame that like either Victoria or Jazz wouldn't get a title shot, and hate the idea Jackie Gayda/Stacey vs Sable/Torrie would get higher on the card then them.

[Loose Cannon]

CyNick said something about a Matt Hardy segment, and how they are not misusing him on RAW, so maybe he was just being sarcastic and i was too stupid to realize it?

OH LOL

[The CyNick]

Benoit, HHH, HBK, Angle, are all equal in terms of draws, in that they really dont draw much of anything. Eddie could be in there as well, but the NWO numbers haven't come out yet, so we'll see.

I dont think either title match will be as much of a draw on PPV as the Kane-Taker or Goldberg-Lesnar matches will be, so by the logic of being a draw, one of those matches should go on last.

Taker will be winning his match, and the fans seem really into that whole deal, so I could see the theory in putting them on last.

Goldberg-Lesnar will likely also involve Austin, so thats 3 huge names in the ring, which would be a good way to cap off Mania. Especially if Goldberg eats a Stunner after the match.

The Triple Threat will likely be a good match, and if Benoit is winning, well that would be a nice finish to Mania.

And then Eddie-Angle will likely be the MOTN, so obviously that would be a great finish to Mania.

Its a tough call.

[The CyNick]

I would have Kurt/Eddie 4th to last, Taker/Kane 3rd to last, Brock/Goldberg 2nd to last, and Triple Threat last.

for these reasons...
Kurt/Eddie is going to be an awesome match and will be nearly impossible to follow. So since Kane/Taker and Brock/Goldberg is more about the hype of the match happening, and isn't expected to be a classic 5 star match they should follow the Kurt/Eddie match which will be so hard to follow from a wrestling standpoint.
After seeing possibly fair or good matches from these two, the Triple threat main event will have a better chance to look good, and will be easier to get the crowd hyped up for the main event after what will be a very long nearly 5 hour show.

damn that didn't make any sense but oh well....

I think it would make more sense to balance out the matches.

So, you have one of the RAW vs SD matches, then a title match (which both look like good matches), then the other RAW vs SD match, followed by the remaining title match. Or do it the other way aorund and start with one of the title matches, and then go to a RAW vs SD match. That way you get a good match then a big hype match and so on. I think thats easier to handle for the fans.

[BasicThuganomics]

I think it would make more sense to balance out the matches.


Like you know what you're talking about CyNick.... :shifty:

[The One]

Sorry but NO WAY Undertaker vs. Kane will be the last match. I just can't see it happening like that. I want the WWE Title match to be last, but I will be VERY mad if one of the title matches dosn't cap off the show.

[Boondock Saint]

Sorry but NO WAY Undertaker vs. Kane will be the last match. I just can't see it happening like that. I want the WWE Title match to be last, but I will be VERY mad if one of the title matches dosn't cap off the show.

:y:

Well, I don't know if theres NO WAY, anything can happen in the WWE...:shifty: But I don't want it to happen. Should be a title match.

[Crimson]

Wouldn't it be funny if Undertaker no sold a Kane chokeslam then tombstoned him for the win in under 2 minutes like the Warrior did to HHH. Haha good times. :(
It would be funny if they would actually just show that match in a wrestlemania replay, but Im sure HHH has had every single copy of that match burned in ashes.

The triple threat will probably be last, Im sure Benoit will win it, then probably lose it very soon.

[The One]

They have shown the Triple H vs. Warrior recap already...

And as for Benoit winning the title...um...is Triple H dying?

[Rock Bottom]

They have shown the Triple H vs. Warrior recap already...

And as for Benoit winning the title...um...is Triple H dying?

Yes. (Putting on a ski mask)

[Mr. JL]

****, it should be Triple H versus Chris Benoit for the World Heavyweight Championship at Wrestle Mania XX in the main event. Triple H should to the job, cleanly in the middle of the ring; either 1-2-3 or he should tap out!!! Without the one on one match Chris Benoit's reign is flawed in my opinion. Thus he will never properly get a chance to prove himself to the world. And thus, Triple H will come back after a month or two and bury Chris Benoit and his title reign...

[Corkscrewed]

The way I see it, WM should end on a happy note.

That said, if the Triple Threat Match goes last, Benoit will win. If it's Eddie vs Angle, Eddie will win.

[JeremyTB29]

This is the way I see the card.

World title match

HHH VS Benoit VS HBK

wwe title

Eddie VS Angle

U.S Title

Big Show VS Cena

Cruiserweight battle Royal for the #1 contendership

Foley/Rock VS Orton/Batista/Flair

Jericho VS Christian.Winner gets Trish.

Kane VS Taker.

Sable/Torrie VS Stacy/Miss Jackie

Lesner VS Goldberg

Most of those matches if not all of them have a very good chance of happening.I would also have the winner of the battle royal to face Chavo later in the show for the Cruiserweight title.And Have RVD/Booker defend the tag titles.

[The One]

OK...seriously, where is this idea that Benoit is winning comming from? Remember last year when Booker T was just about to break out and become HUGE, he had momentume, charisma, and could have easily taken the Title from Triple H at Mania last year. Triple H will retain. Bottom line. This is not be bashing on Trips saying he has all this backstage stock and is terrible, it is just be being realistic. Triple H bested Scott Steiner, Booker T, Kevin Nash, Shawn Michaels...Chris Benoit is not going to take that title from him.

[BasicThuganomics]

OK...seriously, where is this idea that Benoit is winning comming from? Remember last year when Booker T was just about to break out and become HUGE, he had momentume, charisma, and could have easily taken the Title from Triple H at Mania last year. Triple H will retain. Bottom line. This is not be bashing on Trips saying he has all this backstage stock and is terrible, it is just be being realistic. Triple H bested Scott Steiner, Booker T, Kevin Nash, Shawn Michaels...Chris Benoit is not going to take that title from him.


Shut the hell up already!!!!!!!
You don't know what you're talking about! HHH is gonna drop the title for a couple of reasons, (whether its at WMXX or Backlash might be in question I'll admit)
He's going to be leaving this spring/summer to film movies for the WWE.
He's going to be willing to drop the title that way he can get it back and boost his number of title wins. I'm sure he can't wait to beat Ric Flair's record of title reigns...


Damn, sorry but I'm sick and tired of people bitching about how "HHH is gonna screw us over cuz he did it last year!"

[Boondock Saint]

Calm it.

[The One]

Shut the hell up already!!!!!!!
You don't know what you're talking about! HHH is gonna drop the title for a couple of reasons, (whether its at WMXX or Backlash might be in question I'll admit)
He's going to be leaving this spring/summer to film movies for the WWE.
He's going to be willing to drop the title that way he can get it back and boost his number of title wins. I'm sure he can't wait to beat Ric Flair's record of title reigns...


Damn, sorry but I'm sick and tired of people bitching about how "HHH is gonna screw us over cuz he did it last year!"

Actually if you read my post, I commented about how this wasn't bitching about Triple H's backstage pull, it is just based off of the fact that Triple H isn't going to drop the title at WrestleMania to Chris Benoit. My bet, Edge comes and does a program with him, and at Judgement Day drops the title to Edge, goes and does his films, and returns to win the title back from whoever.

[BasicThuganomics]

Well, He has said that he's going to do the films in spring, so thats around the time of WMXX or Backlash. I know you said you weren't bitching about his backstage pull, but thats the way you came off listing the names of the people he's beaten for the title.
And Benoit has had lots of rumours going around that he was in line for a huge push, (as did Eddie Geurrero, and look at him) I know Booker was rumoured to get the title too. But I don't remember him being as heavily rumoured as Benoit is now, plus Backlash being in Edmonton is pretty much perfect place to have Benoit as champ, either retaining or winning the title.

I really see Benoit getting it now, and Edge kinda having to work back up a little bit before he is pushed to the title.

[BasicThuganomics]

And what do you mean based off of the fact that HHH isn't going to drop the title at Wrestlemania? There's no fact in that statement... HHH has won enough times at Mania that Losing this won't hurt his credibility or his ego even.

[Corkscrewed]

Why would Edge come back and almost immediately get the World Title? He wasn't even a main eventer before he got hurt and he'd have to be built up.

On the other hand, they did it with Hardcore, so....

[jessica rocks]

Why would Edge come back and almost immediately get the World Title? He wasn't even a main eventer before he got hurt and he'd have to be built up.

On the other hand, they did it with Hardcore, so....

WRONG Right before edge got hurt he was standing next in lline for the title. I still dont think sticking him with the title si right at the moment, but he was getting a huge push and probably will continue to do so once he come back and gains credibility again

[Pegasus Crawford]

The fan in all of us wants to say Benoit will walk away with the title, but logic states otherwise. :(

[BasicThuganomics]

The fan in all of us wants to say Benoit will walk away with the title, but logic states otherwise. :(

Logic stated Eddie Guerrero wouldn't ever get the title either....

[blake639raw]

Logic stated Eddie Guerrero wouldn't ever get the title either.... If he was on RAW, he wouldn't have.
Benoit lost to HBK last night. He's been on RAW for 3 weeks, and is already jobbing to the Kliq. Keep in mind, on SD, he hadn't lost a match since at least mid October (not including the match with Brock, because that actually made him look tougher for not giving up). Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but I don't think Benoit will win the title at Mania. Sad, but true. The main reason he is going to RAW is to help Orton and Batista come along. He might get the title for a month or two, but it won't be too long before Trips comes back and beats Benoit for the title, and Benoit just becomes the next Jericho.

[BasicThuganomics]

Well, Raw, has been dominated by HHH as we all know. To the point that it's annoying I'll admit. But Smackdown title scene has been all Kurt and Brock for over like the past year and a half (not counting Big Show's Reign which was pretty much just in order to set up the Angle/Brock fued) Both Shows have been stale in the title scene for ahwile. It really does seem that the WWE realizes this. I mean, shows have been getting better lately, people that are being built up are actually being built up to look strong. I know that Benoit lost last night, but he did look really strong the entire show. I was really pissed at first when the Kliq ended the show on top. But it was still a really strong show, and a REALLY awesome match until the ending. HBK didn't look like he was better than Benoit by any means. And Benoit was at least able to get the Crossface on HHH for awhile. Benoit still has alot of momentum going for him, and he was getting cheered while HBK got booed alot. I'll agree that Benoit might not have the title for more than like 3 or 4 months. But he has been built up way better than Jericho was during his reign, so it's not fair to say he'll be the next Jericho. I don't think that Benoit is gonna be fed to Orton on this title reign because Orton might be busy with Foley until Backlash ( Foley's rumored to have the tag match with Evolution teaming with Rock at Mania, and then a singles match would make alot of sense at Backlash) So after that, I think that Orton will have a lengthy run with the IC title. Benoit might be midcard by SummerSlam or Survivor Series but, I still think that he gets the title within a month or two. I'll admit that I am trying to remain positive and have faith that WWE will do the right thing and give Benoit the title. I'm kinda ignoring the part of me that is saying HHH will be selfish again. Sorry this is hard to read but I forgot about using paragraphs...

[Ricky]

Gonna watch RAW bye ppl. Be back if something good happens.See why the hell do you make all the fuss about making these threads when you don't even want to stay around and get involved in them anyway? It's just you wanting to be "the one who started the raw thread" because you think it will make you popular. Twat.

[SuperSlim]

Well I'ma take a little time to speak on this thing.

First Raw... sucked. the main event seemed to just absolutely drag to me and I fell asleep through some of it.

It was nice seein victoria though... anyway I've seen better Raw shows. But the Kane thing with Undertaker was done differntly this time...I liked that.

Now as far as WMXX goes... I'm not all hot about the idea of their bein a triple threat match. It really takes away form Benoit's royal Rumble victory. I don't care about the fact that it's Shawn Michaels that's gonna be in it. It could be Bret or Austin- hypothetically speakin, doin it and I still would not like it. The fact is is that the guy worked his freakin butt off from #1 and lasted over an hour in that ring. He deserves the spotlight. It is his turn to shine and shine alone. Not to have to share the spotlight with HBK- no matter how much of a legend he is or is to be. I have the upmost respect for HBK and what he has done for the business but still this is Benoit's time. For years he has been denied the recognition he so deserved. Now they finally are about to give it to him and they stick him in a triple threat match with HHH and HBK for the title. I am tired of seein HBK vs. HHH.

When there was a Royal Rumble winner, how many of them had to have a triple threat match for the title? Wrestlemania 2000 is a whole nother story though. It was messed up, but anyway This is almost like screwin over Benoit and his time to really shine. I say let it be 1 on 1 and stick Shawn somewhere else.

[Fryza]

only thing that would save this if Austin ran him over....shit :mad:

LOL

Kinda makes sense what the WWE is trying to do to Benoit. Week after week, he's getting beaten' up, screwed over, etc. Which means when he wins, he won't look like the most credible champion. That way they can have him job straight to Hunter at Backlash...

[John la Rock]

I am now not going to watch Wrestlemania XX cause of that stupid ****ing Triple Threat main event. Way to go Vince! Good Booking! :mad:

[BasicThuganomics]

I am now not going to watch Wrestlemania XX cause of that stupid ****ing Triple Threat main event. Way to go Vince! Good Booking! :mad:

Well, this isn't that bad of an idea, and from the way things are shaping up, you are going to miss one hell of a show. Eddie vs. Angle alone is enough to make me wanna see it.

And SuperSlim, I can't believe you didn't like the main event. Even besides the finish, I thought it was terrific. And so did about everyone else who was watching it. Just seeing Benoit put HBK in the sharpshooter was enough to make it worth watching to me. But i geuss everyone has different tastes in wrestling?

[Boondock Saint]

I am now not going to watch Wrestlemania XX cause of that stupid ****ing Triple Threat main event. Way to go Vince! Good Booking! :mad:

Your loss, dude. I'm not crazy about the idea but there is no way in hell I am not ordering this guy.

[Chilorioman]

Dude to miss wrestlemania is bad enough but common its wrestle mania 20! its 1/10 of wrestle manias bicentenial!!

[Kane Knight]

We all knew it was coming.

That Triple Threat announcement was lame as fu</>ck, but everyone knew it was coming.

I say we start up like a Paypal collection to get HHH's legs broken...

[BasicThuganomics]

We all knew it was coming.

That Triple Threat announcement was lame as fu</>ck, but everyone knew it was coming.

I say we start up like a Paypal collection to get HHH's legs broken...


LOL who gets to collect the money?

[Innovator]

I say hit Trips where it hurts. Someone breaks his nose and cuts off his hair. Then break his legs

[Kane Knight]

I say hit Trips where it hurts. Someone breaks his nose and cuts off his hair. Then break his legs

:lol:

[Savio]

Funny Raw got more posts then NWO

[Kane Knight]

Funny Raw got more posts then NWO

I wonder if it has to do with the fact that you had to PAY for NWO, and you got Raw for free...

Naw. Never.

[Joe Kerr]

isnt wrestlemania starting at 7?

[Savio]

I wonder if it has to do with the fact that you had to PAY for NWO, and you got Raw for free...

Naw. Never.
Royal rumble got 10 pages I think

[Kane Knight]

Royal rumble got 10 pages I think

you mean one of the big four got more than a PPV where the Big Show main evented?

THE DEVIL, YOU SAY!