Would Cena get over if he were black? [Archive]

Xero

01-23-2007, 11:59 AM

I'm not trying to be racist here, but I was wondering whether Cena would be mega-over, in the current gimmick, if he were black. He's acting all ghetto/thuggish and shit, but if they had a black man of similar build, mic style and ring style do the gimmick, would it have gotten a better reaction?

I'm thinking he would have been taken more seriously and would probably be more over.

KingofOldSchool

01-23-2007, 12:01 PM

He's not black???

:shifty:

.44 Magdalene

01-23-2007, 12:06 PM

One half of Cryme Time is almost as big as John Cena, and at least as entertaining to me (if not moreso).

Not alot of people give a shit about Cryme Time, either. Don't know how much this helps.

Xero

01-23-2007, 12:09 PM

One half of Cryme Time is almost as big as John Cena, and at least as entertaining to me (if not moreso).

Not alot of people give a shit about Cryme Time, either. Don't know how much this helps.
Yeah, I was thinking that Shad would be good in the part.

And it's a shame Cryme Tyme isn't that over. The gimmick isn't THAT great (it's more of a one-joke gimmick) but they do pretty well. And they're pretty good in the ring.

.44 Magdalene

01-23-2007, 12:11 PM

Yeah. It's a one-joke gimmick, but I've laughed at the one joke pretty consistently. I think given time, they could be pretty damn impressive.

But I also like Gene Snitsky, so...not really any kind of expert here.

KingofOldSchool

01-23-2007, 12:16 PM

Well the large part of wrestling fans are in-bred hicks who thinks blackie's best purpose in the World is to pick their cotton. And then there are the black people who find them offensive to their race.

So naturally two black guys acting like they are a stereotypical thugs but are a comedy act won't get over with most of them.

Xero

01-23-2007, 12:19 PM

Testicle

01-23-2007, 12:23 PM

He would not be mega-over if he was still a suck up and aimed towards children.

If he was black and a bad ass, then yes.

ron the dial

01-23-2007, 12:57 PM

Stickman

01-23-2007, 01:01 PM

He would've never got the push if he was black. Why? He wasn't exactly over. Push a barely over white guy or a barely over black guy, which do they choose?

KillerWolf

01-23-2007, 01:12 PM

Weren't the Godwins over? :shifty:

no.

KillerWolf

01-23-2007, 01:18 PM

He would not be mega-over if he was still a suck up and aimed towards children.

exactly. black or white, a squeaky clean, one dimensional character will only appeal to children and women, depending on looks. that being said, he would be less over with superficial fans (women and children)if he were black; and maybe slightly more over with smart fans only for the fact that he would never had been pushed to the moon in the first place.

Jordan

01-23-2007, 01:19 PM

Well Cena has "IT" so black or white I say he would have made it.

KillerWolf

01-23-2007, 01:36 PM

Well Cena has "IT" so black or white I say he would have made it.

dude, "IT" is his appeal to (mostly) white children and (mostly) white women and subsequent percieved marketability. he would have none of the above if he were black.

he DID have something when he started in WWE. but he fell out of favor with real fans once he was sugar-coated and forced down our throats. what has carried him through are the above mentioned attributes IMO.

Fox

01-23-2007, 02:06 PM

It's not even a question, really. If John Cena were black, he would have never been given a push, and he would never have gotten the chance to get over.

Come on, now. This is WWE we're talking about.

Stickman

01-23-2007, 02:13 PM

Vince is racist

Funky Fly

01-23-2007, 02:15 PM

If we are talking about Survivor Series '03 Cena, maybe.

If we are talking about current Cena:

http://www.frogsonice.com/froggy/mjfrog/mjfrog3.gif
:nono:

Anybody Thrilla

01-23-2007, 02:20 PM

exactly. black or white, a squeaky clean, one dimensional character will only appeal to children and women, depending on looks. that being said, he would be less over with superficial fans (women and children)if he were black; and maybe slightly more over with smart fans only for the fact that he would never had been pushed to the moon in the first place.

Maybe I just misread this, but are you saying that if he were black, he wouldn't look as good?

lort

01-23-2007, 02:31 PM

Lashley?

ron the dial

01-23-2007, 02:34 PM

Sucks?

Kane Knight

01-23-2007, 02:44 PM

Cena still acts ghetto/thugish? I don't really see it, especially not near the level that he used to. Now, he just tries to pull of a blend of nice guy to the fans/bad ass to his opponents that just feels forced. Which is on par with his former ghetto antics.

Yeah, he's about as Gangsta as Will Smith. The baddest thing he's ever done is rap about how Vinnie "Just don't Understand."

I bet Vanilla Ice concerts were more hardcore.

I bet Yanni concerts are more Hardcore.

Kane Knight

01-23-2007, 02:46 PM

dude, "IT" is his appeal to (mostly) white children and (mostly) white women and subsequent percieved marketability. he would have none of the above if he were black.

You don't know that. There might be a lot of chicks with "the jungle fever."

:shifty:

jindrak

01-23-2007, 03:39 PM

When Cena doned the thug rapper gimmick, the WWE had released Ron Killings a few months prior. When Ron Killings debuted in TNA, he eventually got over as an angry black man that could rap. At the time, I thought if Killings wasn't released from WWE and had played the gimmick he held in TNA that there would be no need for Cena.

So yea, Ron Killings could've been in the position John Cena is in. :-\

Stickman

01-23-2007, 03:41 PM

Who's Ron Killings? K-Kwick?

jindrak

01-23-2007, 03:44 PM

Who's Ron Killings? K-Kwick?

Yea. He was Road Dogg's lackey and forced into the most bland gimmick ever.

addy2hotty

01-23-2007, 08:25 PM

Just a comment on the Cryme Tyme thing, their segment on Raw was painful to watch.

Xero

01-23-2007, 08:40 PM

Guess you could say it was retarded.

thedamndest

01-23-2007, 08:56 PM

Ron Killing's rap style was more of a rehash of Men on a Mission that didn't keep with the progression of rap. Gettin' rowdy? Cmon. Cena got to be Eminem, while K-Kwik got to be Kriss Kross, before they started doing drugs or whatever.

Batsu

01-24-2007, 03:25 AM

If we're talking about from the beginning...

the gimmick Cena took on as of that SmackDown when he dressed up as Vanilla Ice would make no sense if he weren't white. Especially in the racial stereotype city known as WWE... the "wannabe rapper" gimmick would be too expected.

So, I'd say no.

KillerWolf

01-24-2007, 07:53 AM

Maybe I just misread this, but are you saying that if he were black, he wouldn't look as good?

hell no, that's not what i'm saying. (reality check) what i'm saying is that if he were black, he wouldn't be a fucking pin-up boy who suburban soccer moms and teenies think is cute in a non-threatening way.

KillerWolf

01-24-2007, 08:03 AM

So yea, Ron Killings could've been in the position John Cena is in. :-\

no, sir. Ron Killings or any other black wrestler would have been just another black wrestler with a lame rap gimmick.

it took a long time for wwe to realize that black people do more than just sing and dance.

Kane Knight

01-24-2007, 08:17 AM

They do?

Anybody Thrilla

01-24-2007, 09:29 AM

hell no, that's not what i'm saying. (reality check) what i'm saying is that if he were black, he wouldn't be a fucking pin-up boy who suburban soccer moms and teenies think is cute in a non-threatening way.

So that IS what you were saying, but you just don't want to sound racist about it. Nobody's scared of Will Smith, mind you.

Kane Knight

01-24-2007, 10:15 AM

No, he's saying that he'd be perceived differently, not that he'd look differently. There's a rather big difference, but it is nice to see you pull the "...But you don't want to be called a racist" card.

KillerWolf

01-24-2007, 01:35 PM

So that IS what you were saying, but you just don't want to sound racist about it. Nobody's scared of Will Smith, mind you.

was that supposed to sound enlightened? are you supposed to be some well-meaning college boy who sees no color - is that it?

because whatever your deal is, it is preventing you from seeing the simple REALITY of what i was saying, which was that if Cena were black, to most white 8 year old boys, and white 30-something suburban soccer moms and thier 12 year old daughters (you know, the people who actually cheer for Cena), he would be a black guy, not their favoritest wrestler, and not the pin-up boy who all the women cheer for.

Anybody Thrilla

01-24-2007, 01:38 PM

I was really just fucking with you, but OK.

BigotWolf

Anybody Thrilla

01-24-2007, 01:38 PM

You couldn't have taken that Will Smith comment seriously.

KillerWolf

01-24-2007, 01:41 PM

BigotWolf

you're still fucking with me, right?

Anybody Thrilla

01-24-2007, 01:48 PM

Yes.

Stickman

01-24-2007, 02:42 PM

Just a comment on the Cryme Tyme thing, their segment on Raw was painful to watch.

I agree, I dont' understand anything they say. They seem kind of gay for each other too.

Kane Knight

01-24-2007, 05:55 PM

So people do think Will Smith is threatening?

Kane Knight

01-24-2007, 05:56 PM

I agree, I dont' understand anything they say. They seem kind of gay for each other too.

Shit, I wish I could kick you, dawg!