Can't be fucked going into the Royal Rumble topic...

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm honestly about to give up on wrestling. That's right, the dork who sits at his computer and lovingly and affectionately sees the bright side of everyone from Val Venis to The Miz to Doug Basham, often to ridicule. The dork who has followed wrestling almost religiously since 2001, when the Royal Rumble Match made me a permanent fan, and got me hooked.

Isn't it odd that the Royal Rumble is the same reason I'm about to quit?

The same shit has been bothering me for a long time. The WWE tries to put over everything they do as epic. Granted, they can't exactly say "Well I guess this uber-predictable showdown between two washed up acts of the 90's isn't too bad", but it honestly makes me sick that they are trying to brainwash me so obviously. I know most wrestling fans are idiots, and I am not. I cannot watch, and I certainly cannot enjoy this product.

And before anyone tells me I don't have to watch, no one is forcing me, and I should stop, that's exactly what I've been doing. I've stopped watching RAW, I've stopped watching ECW, and I have even been skipping through SmackDown! when there is no Paul London or Brian Kendrick to keep me entertained. Good job, WWE, you've killed one your most loyal fans.

I love the way that the WWE tries to appeal to the teenage girls and kids who think John Cena is the shit, but in two years time, they aren't even going to give a shit if he lives or dies.

The Undertaker is a huge bitch. "Ooo, I watch MMA, I can put my hands up like them, I'm legitimately tough". Suck a dick you washed-up nothing. It pissed me off to see The Sandman treated like such shit in the Royal Rumble. I knew he would, and I'm not even a big fan of the guy, but it doesn't change the fact that The Undertaker is more bitchy than a 14 year old girl on her rags.

I'm not ordering WrestleMania. I have no interest in ANY of the tentative matches they've got lined up. Shawn Michaels vs. King Booker could be good, and if Edge wins the WWE Championship, I may be inclined to maybe flick the channel back over to RAW again. He won't, though. The WWE will fuck up his streak just to further put over John Cena as the badass they think he is. HINT TO WWE: he looks a retarded prepubescent teen asked to act like King Kong.

I'm sick and tired of the WWE. I'm sick and tired of their attempts at humour, and I am sick and tired of them trying to push everything as "bigger" than the thing before it. Newsflash, it's not. If Stone Cold Steve Austin had returned, given Taker a Stunner, the place would have exploded. Hell, if Shawn Michaels had won, and Austin given him a Stunner, it would still be all Austin. The WWE is in a down period, and instead of trying to keep the quality up until they have a boom, they pretend they're the hottest thing since Pepsi. Fucking turds.

The most ironic thing about it is that when the WWE has something potentially huge on their hands (Matt Hardy, CM Punk, etc.), they drop the ball, because The Undertaker, Hardcore Holly and Finlay are huge bitches. Bitter, nothing-to-the-average-Joe, bitches.

My final thought in this massive bitch-fest rant of mine is this: the WWE is pretty much eating itself and saying it tastes good.

[SammyG]

damn!

[Xero]

damn!
That about sums it up.

[thecc]

Independnat wrestling my friend.

[ChiefStubbs]

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[Xero]

I wish I could, but it's not on TV. :'(

And honestly, I'm not paying $15-$20 every show just to keep up with a fucking promotion. Good wrestling or not, I'm not made of money.

[Skippord]

I usually agree with you Alienoid but The Undertaker is the man p

[thecc]

I wish I could, but it's not on TV. :'(

And honestly, I'm not paying $15-$20 every show just to keep up with a fucking promotion. Good wrestling or not, I'm not made of money.PWtorrents is a good place to check.

[Kane Knight]

I was actually tempted to make a similar topic, but it was a couple of days ago.

Throughout the wrestling business, if I watched nothing else, I was always there for the Royal Rumble, Wrestlemania, KotR (When it was around), etc.

Tonight marks essentially a year since I last purchased a PPV. I started to get turned off with last year's Mania events, and it's kind of the start of a decline in interest. I actually considered ordering the Rumble, because it was always the most exciting PPV of the year.

And it didn't excite me. Not enough to pay money, and not enough for me to download it free.

For the most part, I won't nitpick anyone on the roster specfically. I will say the Undertaker winning could be a good thing, because it could mark the end of his Mania streak. If they don't do that, they might's well just pull the plug. That's how shitty a Taker Main Event will be.

I watched Raw and Smackdown mostly out of habit. K-Fed and Cena helped me kick that habit. I love wrestling, but I'm not going to sit through this utter shite. And it's not really K-Fed or Cena, it's not the Undertaker, it's pretty much the whole fucking show (And I don't mean the high-flying drug addict).

I've spent plenty of time hoping WWE'd stop sucking ass, and I can't see it changing. I've more or less given up, because nothing's drawing me in anymore. I still like some wrestlers, but it's not worth watching a show that is so massively crap.

[El Fangel]

Wow. You know the WWE has really gone to shit when Alienoid goes on a rant :|

[Loose Cannon]

that was the greatest Alienoid post ever. He gets a rep for that. Pretty much agreed with everything he's trying to say.

The WWE is so black and white right now. Nothing exciting is happening. It's "this guy" vs "this guy" with rehased themes. All the faces won tonight, which is pretty much a running theme with PPV's I've noticed now and days. This tells me they've got nothing. The writers are so blank with ideas that there just going to go with the easiest sceneriois they could think of. We'll have all the good guys win and everyone will go home happy.

Just give me something a little unexpected or a little controversial.

[The Fugitive]

Good post.

But does this mean the end of your ideas for storylines and what you'll do with wrestlers?

[Kane Knight]

We can hope.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I've felt this way for the past few weeks. Once they decided to bury Punk and run the Rosie Vs Trump match, I gave up.

[Fignuts]

I was in the same boat as you a few months ago. The terrible product of WWE turned me off so bad that I didn't want to watch wrestling of any kind.

Until I found this.

http://theditch.biz/

Greatest wrestling of all time is on this site. You may not recognize any one as it is all japan stuff. But the matches here are so good that they renewed my interest in wrestling as a whole.

I suggest you check it out.

[Jeritron]

I think everyone should fuckin relax about Punk, I'm fed up with Wrestling lately too. But jesus, he lost a match...did you see how he was booked tonight? Have some patience hes doing fine. I swear some smarks wouldn't be happy unless he won it and then won the title at WM, and then they'd say it was too fast.

[jindrak]

I enjoyed WSX more than anything the WWE has put out the last 5 months.

[Fignuts]

All Japan from 89'-Noah split > anything else.

Watch some of the six-man tag matches.

One of them is an hour long with ALMOST NO REST SPOTS and amazing psychology.

[Jeritron]

Haha, for some reason I'm the most on edge tonight. It's because of the rumble, I wasn't even completely displeased, I thought it was overall good with the exception of some things pissing me off. But for some reason I'm really pissed off, probably a culmination of things over the past few months.

[Kane Knight]

I think everyone should fuckin relax about Punk, I'm fed up with Wrestling lately too. But jesus, he lost a match...did you see how he was booked tonight? Have some patience hes doing fine. I swear some smarks wouldn't be happy unless he won it and then won the title at WM, and then they'd say it was too fast.

No, they'd say it wasn't enough. Punk should unify all championships. At once. At Mania. In a big unifcation battle royal that'll rock their world!

[Jeritron]

"My name's Christian Cage, but you probably already knew that. Christian Cage is easily the best wrestler of this decade. Christian Cage is an instant classic."

[Corkscrewed]

I'm pissed off I changed my Tipsters predict from Taker to Michaels. Do'oh.

[Jeritron]

It's okay man.

[The Optimist]

Independnat wrestling my friend.The one thing I'll add to this is how fucking tired I am of having to be told to do that.


Its bad enough that any company however so shitty would do this to the public and to their own employees, but the worst of it is "This is the top level of sports entertainment".

This is supposed to be it, this is the top. WWE should be the best there is. Fuck. WWE is a monopoly as it is. But they still produce shitty shows and matches and ideas like they're hotcakes.

This is it. There shouldn't be anything better than this. If there is something better than this, it should be on WWE programming. If there are wrestlers that people enjoy watching (insert any name here, I'm sure there are alot of wrestlers that are commonly agreed to be good enough) they should be on WWE programming.

Not to mention the best bookers. I really can't say anything negative about the present booking, they could be creating this shit on purpose for all I know. But there shouldn't be better writing in wrestling, if there is better writing then it should be on the WWE within weeks.

If the WWE doesn't have the best wrestling and the best wrestlers available then they aren't doing their jobs and they should be keeping their position at the "top".

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think everyone should fuckin relax about Punk, I'm fed up with Wrestling lately too. But jesus, he lost a match...did you see how he was booked tonight? Have some patience hes doing fine. I swear some smarks wouldn't be happy unless he won it and then won the title at WM, and then they'd say it was too fast.

It's not so much that he lost the match, it's the mentality behind him losing it.

Did you hear the reaction CM Punk got at Survivor Series? It was louder than DX's. Considering Triple H and Shawn Michaels were pretty much the top face act in the WWE at the time, that should have been the hint to the WWE. "We have money on our hands". So what does the WWE do? Why, the logical thing, of course. They have CM Punk eliminated first in the Elimination Chamber, and then they have him bitched out to Hardcore Holly.

Did you hear the reaction when Holly came out at the Rumble? Zilch. Nothing. No one gave a damn. Yet according to the "bright minds" in management, Holly is the bigger star because he's been on the road for so long. The plan was originally to have Holly get a controversial win over Punk, but Finlay then put his foot down and said it should be clean. Why? Because Punk needs to "pay his dues". Why? Because there are lot of jealous fuckstains in the back, that can't face the fact that will ultimately die being nothing but a historical figure for those who follow professional wrestling. Punk could actually be a mainstream figure.

Apparently some of these fucks were "getting off" on Punk getting chopped by Holly. That's just immature. The guy comes in, sure he has a cult following, sure he may be new, but he struck a chord. Regardless of who you are, if you play the right notes, and are good for business, you should be supported. It seems Punk is getting nothing but opposition from management. It's these carny politics which piss me off, and what is limiting the WWE, in my opinion. "Punk is Heyman's boy, he needs to be punished! Let's watch NASCAR and rub oil on each other!". :wtf:

Onto the next piece of business: the WWE's idea of humour. Oh God was the comedy at the Royal Rumble bad? It started with Edge and Orton. Edge is naturally a funny guy, when writing his own shit, he is good. He had to force out a painful gay innuendo with Randy Orton. This was just fucking stupid. "Hey, DX is gone, how can we utilise lame gay jokes? I know! We'll get them to do it!".

Then the Little Bastard came in. I have nothing against the guy, but he really is pretty stupid. So he comes in, acts like a fool, jumps on Coach, and then laughs after he kicks Coach in the testicles? That was obviously pandering to children. Of course he made forced little squealing sounds when The Great Khali scared him, too. Oh, and then Kelly Kelly bent over, and with the worst comic timing of all-time (not her fault, I'm sure she was instructed to do it this way, so the boys in the back who have taken two many head shots can get off on it) says "These are the biggest balls I've ever held". OMG! She's a hot girl! Balls? Testicles? GET IT? The cunts in WWE should write for Epic Movie, or something.

Ric Flair even got a piece of the bad humour. He came in, drew his number, and Kelly then tried to seduce him, and she started dancing with Ric. Not only that, but there were lights and music playing all of a sudden. OK...that makes perfect sense. Cue Brooke Adams and Layla El for a random dancing moment. Why? I don't know, I'm assuming it was either meant to be hot or funny, it was neither, because it had the timing and eroticism of an elephant on viagra.

The WWE really needs to change the way they write their shows.

[Corkscrewed]

Ric Flair even got a piece of the bad humour. He came in, drew his number, and Kelly then tried to seduce him, and she started dancing with Ric. Not only that, but there were lights and music playing all of a sudden. OK...that makes perfect sense. Cue Brooke Adams and Layla El for a random dancing moment. Why? I don't know, I'm assuming it was either meant to be hot or funny, it was neither, because it had the timing and eroticism of an elephant on viagra.

Speaking of which... that probably would have made a great Cialis commercial.... someone needs to edit that together.

[Jeritron]

Oh I know, I absolutely agree with you. Punk getting jobbed cleanly to Holly was a joke and a disgrace and I'll be the first to say so. But I just think its blown way out of proportion. So far, its an isolated incident that hasn't had any lingering effects, and after how he was booked and built up by commentary during the rumble, I highly doubt they're "trying to kill CM Punks heat". Its not cause for concern in my eyes...now if it were to happen again, repeatedly without instances like tonight, then I could see the outcry.

As for the other stuff, yea its stupid. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't midly entertained by the Ric Flair thing. I whole-heartedly agree with you that WWE needs to change the way they write their shows across the board. But thats been obvious long before tonight.

[Corkscrewed]

Not just write... think. Either they think the fans are stupid, or they really are retarded and literally cannot come up with anything better than the regurgitated, half-assed crap we've gotten the past few months (really, past few years off and on).

[Jeritron]

Its a mix of both. I'd say its more of not caring or not having to care. They want to do their own thing, whatever the hell it is. And in a non-compettitive atmosphere the fan's dont dictate their direction, therefore they just drag their feet and expect the fans to open the hangar, take their shit down on a spoon and smile about it.

[Corkscrewed]

Pretty much.

That and I honestly don't think Vince really cares anymore. As long as the company makes a certain amount of money each year, screw everything else. As poorly as the WWE is doing, they're not losing money. I'm pretty sure the stockholders aren't grumbling. So who cares?

[darkpower]

Actually, I've skipped on the WWE for a while, and have only watched it periodically (I've had several WWE episodes on my DVR waiting to be watched, but no one is watching them right now). And I've been alot more of a WWE mark than alot of people here. Even defending them here when no one else would.

But here's the main issue. The fans have been talking and talking, and the forums have been going on and on and on about how bad the product sucks and how Vince needs to change it, but yet, he listens to NO ONE AT FUCKING ALL! He does what he wants and to hell with what the fans, the networks, or the ratings want him to do (in case you didn't notice, Vince, WWE Raw is no longer #1 on the Neilson top cable ratings list, when it has been for EONS).

Let's go back to 06 for example. The Rey win at the Rumble. Now I know that people will think that Rey winning was the worst thing that could've happened to the WWE. But meh. It was one of the best things. EVERYONE marked out then. But then look what happened afterwards. We have a feud with Orton which is based around Orton taking a long, diarrea shit on the grave of Eddie up into NWO, and then having Orton win cheaply, only to have Rey just be GIVEN the title shot back. Now while the Mania win was good, by then, we could already see the wheels falling off this damn wagon. And then, week after week, he gets booked into the SAME TYPE OF MATCH!! Him getting thrown all across the ring again and again only to have him win in the end. When he loses, he loses a non-title match to the EXACT SAME PERSON HE IS GONNA HAVE A TITLE MATCH WITH AT THE NEXT PPV!! Now c'mon, doing that would even make HBK look weak, let alone Rey. But alas, we bought into it, and shame on us. Instead of saying how fucking poorly the WWE handled that title run, we instead shit on Rey, saying that he is and would always be a shit champion (we kind of forgot his runs as the Cruiser champ, when he was actually allowed to put up more of a fucking fight and not be looking like some fucking pussy in the ring). When Booker won the title, it was a breath of fresh air for many, but for all the wrong reasons. That had to be the worst handled title run since Triple H's 11-month "since I'm boning the boss's daughter, I'm gonna make everyone assume the position and suck my big long cock" title run (in which Vince just LET that shit happen). We should've all been saying "how dare you, WWE, for killing the crediability of a more-than-able contender" instead of "fuck you, Rey, for killing the cred of the World Title."

Even though that sounds like I'm shitting on the people here than on the WWE, consider this: Vince had the bait right there, and we were dumb enough to bite on it. He gave us EVERY GODDAMN REASON to place the blame for a poorly handled title run on the person HOLDING the title than the person that was pulling the strings OF that person holding the title. We bought it, hook, line, and sinker.

Then comes RAW's suckitude. Alas, I do still enjoy that Papa Roach theme (I'm one of the few that does, apparently). But that is probably the ONLY thing about RAW I'm liking anymore. Rosie vs. Donald was too fucked up for words, the DX thing went on for TOO long without the same juice that gave it the life it did back in '98, the Spirit Squad's tag title reign goes on and on and on and on without any change to how any challenger goes after them, anyone that is enjoyable on RAW is pushed to Heat and shit while the old guys do whatever the fuck they feel like doing. And the Cena shit, which it seems true that Cena is one to just take the unintended heat he is getting (and good for him, he's actually just doing his damn JOB), the WWE REALLY needs to build up someone NEW and a real, viable title holder. I'm sure that if Cena loses the title and the keep it off of him for at least a year or so, then at least half of their lost audience WILL RETURN!! My question is: If RAW is supposed to be Vince's baby, then why in the hell is it allowed to suck so fucking badly?

Now, at least it seems like they ARE trying on SmackDown to do SOMETHING good with it, and by the rising ratings on the CW, it seems they are doing SOMETHING right with it. However, this has some faults. For one, Michael Hayes needs to be put in his place, and FAST!! They already lost Lashley because of him, which would've been a HUGE asset in the main event scene, and they could be standing to have others on that rosted pissed off at him for other things and going to other brands or worse, to TNA! Hayes needs to learn that the "my way or the highway" shit is something that is KILLING this product, and him shitting on anyone he doesn't like without even considering if anyone else likes who he might not no matter what is going to absolutly KILL SD if it hasn't started already. At least Johnny Ace seems to be improving from HIS ridiculous tirade he went in in 06. Still has a ton to go, however. Oh, and make Mr. Kennedy a fucking FACE!! He's getting the pops, he a favorite amongst the fans, they recite his catchphrases along with him. If they don't mishandle a face run with him like they have with Cena, then he could be the next Rock.

There's a reason why I left ECW last, and that is because they have all but burned ECW down like the Hindenberg. For one, it's on SciFi, in which many STILL don't get without digital cable, so who the fuck is going to SEE it? Maybe it's a blessing that those people don't see it, because it's a train wreck. NONE of the matches are worth watching, NO ONE that should be pushed ARE being pushed, Lashley was given the belt WAY too early (as if the ECW belt has any cred left, anyway), the "Extreme Rules" matches are like a spit in the face to ANYONE who knew the ECW rules back in the day, and I could go on for days about how badly the WWE has fucking the ECW up. Yet the WWE doesn't see this, or doesn't care, and refuses to put ECW out of its misery (which is the misery that the WWE themselves caused). Once you see that when the December To Dismember PPV bombed worse than Hiroshima (and before you neg me for that, consider how BAD that PPV was, and how much of a mistake I think the a-bombs were. The a-bombs became an embarrasment to Americans just as how much of an embarrasment DTD was to wrestling in general), who the fuck does Vince blame for that piece of shit? Not himself, oh no, Vince cannot do anything wrong, he cannot admit that something that HE controls is a failure. No, he INSTEAD goes and fires the ONE guy that actually HAS a brain there, PAUL HEYMAN!! The one guy that, when he is booking and in the creative, the ratings go up almost IMMEDIATLY, and people become happy, because he always does things that give us some fresh air. And Vince fires HIM, and look what happens. We get that Lashley vs. Test match. Jesus Christ, who in the FUCK thought that TEST would be viable for ANY title right now, and who booked that fucking match? It's official that ECW as a whole has lost all cred (or whatever it had left), let alone that title they have. Lashley should've gone to RAW!

But that last fact that Vince fired someone that COULD'VE done something good for his product should speak volumes. He does things ass backwards. If people are happy with the way the product is, you DON'T FUCKING DO A BAIT AND SWITCH!! That is what the WWE has done for YEARS now. Do one thing that will get fans to watch his shows and then revert RIGHT BACK TO WHAT HE HAS BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST 5 FUCKING YEARS!! His style hasn't worked 5 years ago, it isn't now, and it never will as long as he doesn't KEEP doing what DOES keep people watching his shows. He needs to stop being so fucking stubborn and thinking that he is the be all, end all. He needs to GET THE FUCK OFF OF RAW AND STAY THE FUCK OFF OF RAW!! Stop luring the people that will watch what he tries to do when he does something different, and then pull that bait and switch the second they are hooked so they will have to like what HE and ONLY HE likes. The thing HE likes is what is driving people away, and again, either he fails to see what he is doing, or he DOES know what he is doing, and doesn't give one ounce of FUCKING SHIT!! Do what gets you praise and then don't try to fix what isn't broken. He needs to either start doing that or start considering selling the WWE to someone that WILL care, or at least pass it down to someone that gives a shit.

But until then, Alienoid has said EVERYTHING EVERY wrestling fan has felt for 5 years now.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Seriously, people, I'm going to have to start slapping some of you soon.

Wrestling =/= WWE

Check out some indies, or lucha, or puro. Try as much as you can, you're almost guaranteed to find something you will like.

I was in the same boat as you a few months ago. The terrible product of WWE turned me off so bad that I didn't want to watch wrestling of any kind.

Until I found this.

*edit*

Greatest wrestling of all time is on this site. You may not recognize any one as it is all japan stuff. But the matches here are so good that they renewed my interest in wrestling as a whole.

I suggest you check it out.

I'd be careful spreading the link around, he checks very carefully to see where hits are coming from, and he's pretty strict on where he lets it be posted. I'm assuming you know about his other archive, also.

[Kane Knight]

Not just write... think. Either they think the fans are stupid, or they really are retarded and literally cannot come up with anything better than the regurgitated, half-assed crap we've gotten the past few months (really, past few years off and on).

Or just don't care. Think about this: Vince seems happy to let ratings dip (Though two weeks ago today actually had an hour at 3.5) to play to his personal fetishes, and the bookers and writers both seem to have jobs contingent on pandering to Vince, regardless of the ratings.

[Kane Knight]

You know, there's an easy way around that.

[Kane Knight]

The one thing I'll add to this is how fucking tired I am of having to be told to do that.


Its bad enough that any company however so shitty would do this to the public and to their own employees, but the worst of it is "This is the top level of sports entertainment".

Sony's PS2 was supposed to be the pinnacle of gaming. Of the three systems, it had the worst graphics and the most problems. Sony released them prematurely with known flaws.

Apple's iPod is supposed to be the MP3 player to own. Problem is, with crippleware and known flaws, you're better off going for twice the player at half the price unless you absolutely NEED iTunes.

Let's face it: There's always something that's on top, and it usually sucks. Top ten artists, Top electronics. Top computers.

Doesn't mean you have to buy them, even in a monopoly.

[KingofOldSchool]

I only watch because of

CM Punk
HBK
Carlito
King Booker
London/Kendrick
Edge
Randy Orton (sometimes)
RVD
Cryme Tyme
Mickie James (yes, a female)

[owenbrown]

All I have to say was after that shitfest on RAW on January 1st is the night I ended watching wrestling for the first time in over 11 years. I thought things would have turned around this year, but once again Vinnie Mac and Co. FUCKED THINGS UP ROYALLY(no pun intended). Thanks so fucking much, Vince. You just turned away a loyal long-time watcher of WCW and WWF/E with your childish 2nd grade toliet humor you old senile piece of fucking shit bastard. :rant: :foc:

[Kane Knight]

I only watch because of

CM Punk
HBK
Carlito
King Booker
London/Kendrick
Edge
Randy Orton (sometimes)
RVD
Cryme Tyme
Mickie James (yes, a female)

MJ's more talented than half the roster.

[AdrianM]

I only watch because of

CM Punk
HBK
Carlito
King Booker
London/Kendrick
Edge
Randy Orton (sometimes)
RVD
Cryme Tyme
Mickie James (yes, a female)

This is the same list that alot of smarks have, i think the issue is:

CM Punk - clean lost to Hardcore Holly (possibly in the process of getting buried)
HBK - is starting to look good again after a shit run with DX
Carlito - buried to hell!
King Booker - buried after a good reign as champion
London/Kendrick - meh, tag champs but who are the challengers to them?
Edge - great title reign, then lost in his hometown in his favourite match (partially buried)
Randy Orton - had a great (IMO) feud with taker, which took him...hmmm, no where. Only just getting back to where he should be after being buried.
RVD - completetly buried
Cryme Tyme - fuck it, I hate cryme tyme
Mickie James - did nothing for months following her title loss to Trish.



I watch WWE for those guys too, but also:
Chris Benoit - US champ, but consistenly buried now
Gregory Helms - JBL constantly puts him over, but he still never wins!
Matt Hardy - meh, he'll neve do anything now
Chavo Guerrero - I can't believe the wya they have just dropped chavo after such a big program with Rey Mysterio.
Kevin Thorne- isn't doing much
Shelton Benjamin - I hate the way he has been treated/
Charlie Haas - could have had a great feud with Shelton but instead, has done nothing
Victoria - possibly the most buried person on all the rosters
Ken Kennedy - doing well

The guys who should be getting pushed just aren't

[tucsonspeed6]

I honestly don't see what was so bad about the Rumble.

[Kane Knight]

Then keep watching.

Alienoid and others have given very valid reasons, though.

[Kane Knight]

Using the above lists, BTW:

CM Punk - Hate this bastard.
HBK - Is phenomenal, but being a guy who's likely a couple years or an injury away from retiring and being the best thing on the fucking roster is bad.
Carlito - Can't see him ever being taken seriously.
King Booker - He lost me with the King Booker gimmick.
London/Kendrick - Like Adrian said, they're champs. So what? I love these guys to pieces, but they're poorly booked.
Edge - I can see him as WWE champion. I just don't really care.
Randy Orton - a Legit star despite his obvious weakness in ring.
RVD - Fucked himself over. I feel no pity for him.
Cryme Tyme - They were amusing for like two segments, then the single joke wore off on me. I know the smarktard thing to do is to laugh at the same joke over and over again, but I can't stand one dimensional gimmicks.
Mickie James - Woman, 'Nuff said.

Chris Benoit - Even at his highest, he was used as a placeholder.
Gregory Helms - I'd love to see Helms used better. But I won't.
Matt Hardy - He's fucked.
Chavo Guerrero - Another awesome guy who gets a pereneal semi-push. Never goes anywhere.
Kevin Thorne- Hate the fucker.
Shelton Benjamin - Plenty of potential, but he's not ready to ME yet. He always manages to shoot himself in the foot.
Charlie Haas - Great wrestler. Great in comedy angles (Though that's almost as easy as being a great heel when you're Canadian or Arabic...). Combine those two.
Victoria - WOMAN.
Ken Kennedy - Not enough to get me to watch.

Also, I'm a fan of Scotty (Not so much the gimmick, but the energy he puts into it. Plus, being from Maine, he's the closest I'll likely have to a hometown hero EVER... Not many superstars out of Vermont.), and a few others. IT's just not enough to keep me watching, when I know what's gonna go down.

[Jeritron]

Yea, I grade the rumble as mediocre or as I've said "solid except for a few thigns that piss me off"...but I can't sit here and defend it or the WWE. Alienoid is right and the frustration has been building in me for a long time and I got really fed up last night.

[KingofOldSchool]

To each their own.

I can go off on my own tirade about the product, but it won't change anything.

[redoneja]

I dunno. I used to take wrestling "serious" and all. Maybe if I still did I would be upset like some of you.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Honestly I didn't think the Rumble was all that bad. I'm almost willing to bet Taker gets the Rey treatment and has his match earlier on the card so they can let Cena main event WM again :roll:

But yeah the product is obviously bad. I more than likely won't be getting Mania. Basically the only thing left that I watch is Raw. Sure its shit but lately its had its moments. Also I generally have nothing else to watch on a Monday night. I almost never watch ECW, and I don't watch Smackdown either unless I happen to be home on a Friday (which is almost never).

It can just be summarized in one word: Meh</font>

[McLegend]

I dunno. I used to take wrestling "serious" and all. Maybe if I still did I would be upset like some of you.
lol I remember when someone said something bad about technical wrestling or something and then you flamed them.

Good times :lol:

[redoneja]

lol yea I remember that too. Gonna go find that actually. When I first came here I was all serious about shit like that. Now I'm just like :meh: whatever.

[Inadequacy]

I honestly don't see what was so bad about the Rumble.

I am so happy I don't have to be the first one to say that, the last few minutes with HBK and 'Taker were good, I figured either way they're both going to headline Mania, but I was still on the edge of my seat waiting to see who would win.

Really I was only disappointed by how the ECW title match ended and the fact that the Hardy's won.

I'm genuinely entertained by Alienoid calling all those people (who he's never met) bitches, and then going on to bitch about what they've done, I think hypocrisy is funny.

Most of you are complaining about the WWE, but seriously, do you think you could do better? I'm not saying I like the job Vince has been doing recently, but he's been doing it for so long now he has to be running out of gas, no one can stay great forever (except George Carlin).

[Xero]

Yeah, aside from the ECW title match, which I'm sure almost everyone will agree was bullshit, I would say this was a really good PPV. Compared to recent WWE events it's Godly, but in the big picture, it was a really good show.

They set up a few matches for Mania, seemingly kept the Hardyz/MNM feud going and refrained from making Kennedy look too weak. (I'm glad they didn't put it on him.) And really, the Last Man Standing match was really good despite the outcome. There were times when I honestly thought Umaga had it and for brawl standards it was great and innovative, especially with the rope spot.

As I've said before, the Rumble match was pretty great. There were some great spots like Shelton (I believe) staying in by holding onto the BOTTOM rope and as I've raved in the past the ending was spectacular.

No, I'm not just saying this, aside from the ECW title match I really wish their product was up to the standards this event was.

[Blue Demon]

I used to go out of my way to watch Raw, and within the past year I tihnk I may have watched MAYBE 10...out of 52? And as someone who's been a wrestling fan for about 18 years that's saying something...

[Testicle]

I honestly don't see what was so bad about the Rumble.

[AdrianM]

I honestly don't see what was so bad about the Rumble.

me neither.

my little rant was about the WWE in general.

As far as the rumble match itself, I thought it was good (like always). I liked Kennedy VS Batista, Umaga VS Cena was entertaining, i missed the first match, but the ECW title match was horrible!

[El Fangel]

I am so happy I don't have to be the first one to say that, the last few minutes with HBK and 'Taker were good, I figured either way they're both going to headline Mania, but I was still on the edge of my seat waiting to see who would win.

Really I was only disappointed by how the ECW title match ended and the fact that the Hardy's won.

I'm genuinely entertained by Alienoid calling all those people (who he's never met) bitches, and then going on to bitch about what they've done, I think hypocrisy is funny.

Most of you are complaining about the WWE, but seriously, do you think you could do better? I'm not saying I like the job Vince has been doing recently, but he's been doing it for so long now he has to be running out of gas, no one can stay great forever (except George Carlin).


Yes they will both headline Mania, that was a bit obvious :roll: Its Taker, nuff said, as for Micheals, he always has a good WM match if he is on the active roster, his WM20 match was great even though he lost.

I was dissapointed by the ECW Match, but more so over the WWE title, I mean c'mon Vince gave away Cenas win, when he said that he wouldn't see Cena with the belt much longer, and Cena being the one who relentlessly defies the odds and keeps the title for 90%+ of two years, would obviously wi n it. They need to get the title away from him, and as for the Hardyz as much markish I am towards them, yes they should have lost.

I am not even going to get into hypocrisy with you.

You me, and the rest of the world will likely never know if we would be better at running WWE, so Im not going to argue that topic, but If anyone says that they would take the title off Cena, push Carlito to ME, and fix ECW. and made it happen yes it would be better, then the current state its in.

[leno40]

I honestly don't see what was so bad about the Rumble.

Nothing, really. But this is the internet, and it's an internet fan's job to shit on everything. Don't tell me you thought smarks would stop bitching just because the PPV was excellent?

McMahon could announce tomorrow that WM would feature a Shelton Benjamin vs. William Regal vs. Paul London main event for the world title, and you'd hear nothing but belly-aching over it. Granted, no one but the few dozen people who visit this board would care about such a match, but what do those people know? Wrestling fans don't watch for interesting characters or compelling storylines, they want 40 minute displays of technical wrestling! And I'm sure ROH will be toppling WWE any day now.

[darkpower]

Nothing, really. But this is the internet, and it's an internet fan's job to shit on everything. Don't tell me you thought smarks would stop bitching just because the PPV was excellent?

McMahon could announce tomorrow that WM would feature a Shelton Benjamin vs. William Regal vs. Paul London main event for the world title, and you'd hear nothing but belly-aching over it. Granted, no one but the few dozen people who visit this board would care about such a match, but what do those people know? Wrestling fans don't watch for interesting characters or compelling storylines, they want 40 minute displays of technical wrestling! And I'm sure ROH will be toppling WWE any day now.

Dude, that has absolutly NOTHING to do with the complaints. Your proposed match would be the shit, but that isn't what we're talking about. It's one thing to be sports-entertainment and get away with it. We want the WWE to do well. However, it's another thing entirely to have Vince insult our own intelligence with shitty match after shitty match, and kill the actual decent talent by making them look like shit to those that can't wrestle worth a fuck and then act like their God or something backstage. When you have Cena main event EVERY SINGLE PPV RAW HAS BEEN A PART OF and having the SAME EXACT TYPE OF BUILD UP to the title match only to have Cena win every single time, you tend to get the feeling that they are going to the exact same well as if it'll magically stop being bone dry.

We don't want a 40 minute technical style wrestling match. We want a halfway DECENT style SHOW!!

[Kane Knight]

Hey, remember when all the internet smarks were marking out over the Rock, Austin and Triple H?

Yeah. Oh well, I guess they shit on everything.

[Xero]

We do shit on a lot of stuff that shouldn't get shit, though.

[Inadequacy]

Yes they will both headline Mania, that was a bit obvious :roll: Its Taker, nuff said, as for Micheals, he always has a good WM match if he is on the active roster, his WM20 match was great even though he lost.

I was dissapointed by the ECW Match, but more so over the WWE title, I mean c'mon Vince gave away Cenas win, when he said that he wouldn't see Cena with the belt much longer, and Cena being the one who relentlessly defies the odds and keeps the title for 90%+ of two years, would obviously wi n it. They need to get the title away from him, and as for the Hardyz as much markish I am towards them, yes they should have lost.

I am not even going to get into hypocrisy with you.

You me, and the rest of the world will likely never know if we would be better at running WWE, so Im not going to argue that topic, but If anyone says that they would take the title off Cena, push Carlito to ME, and fix ECW. and made it happen yes it would be better, then the current state its in.

Actually, Taker being Taker doesn't make it 'nuff said, he hasn't main-evented Mania in years, Michaels hasn't since 2004. In your face BOOYAKASHA! (just kiddin buddy)

I never said I wasn't hypocritical, I just said I find hypocrisy funny. And when you think about it WWE is a business, sure its a wrestling business but it's a business all the same. They push Cena ahead of everyone because he sells the most junk. I used to pretty much be the second in command of the "BLARGH! CENA SUCKS MONKEY-BUTT!" club, but I've gotten over that. Yes, I want him to drop the title to see someone new, but it could be worse.

I shudder to think how many of you would be complaining non-stop if we were in the Middle of Bruno Sammartino's EIGHT YEAR reign.

[darkpower]

Actually, Taker being Taker doesn't make it 'nuff said, he hasn't main-evented Mania in years, Michaels hasn't since 2004. In your face BOOYAKASHA! (just kiddin buddy)

I never said I wasn't hypocritical, I just said I find hypocrisy funny. And when you think about it WWE is a business, sure its a wrestling business but it's a business all the same. They push Cena ahead of everyone because he sells the most junk. I used to pretty much be the second in command of the "BLARGH! CENA SUCKS MONKEY-BUTT!" club, but I've gotten over that. Yes, I want him to drop the title to see someone new, but it could be worse.

I shudder to think how many of you would be complaining non-stop if we were in the Middle of Bruno Sammartino's EIGHT YEAR reign.

There would be a difference. Bruno would actually have some TALENT to make us GIVE A SHIT!!

[El Fangel]

You know Inad, he does have a very valid point.

By the way thanks for saving me from Cena mark-dom :)

[darkpower]

Apple's iPod is supposed to be the MP3 player to own. Problem is, with crippleware and known flaws, you're better off going for twice the player at half the price unless you absolutely NEED iTunes.

Actually, I just bought an iPod last week, and I'm quite happy with it. They must've improved it down the line somewhere (I got the gen2 ipod nano).

[Kane Knight]

There would be a difference. Bruno would actually have some TALENT to make us GIVE A SHIT!!

Not to mention Bruno was booked in a time where long title reigns were the norm and where there was still some suspension of disbelief.

But I mean, Cena's just like Bruno. He probably hurt the business as well. He probably drew mixed reactions from crowds because of his lackluster persona, right up to the point they left.

SOMEONE PLEASE CONFIRM THIS BECAUSE I JUST STARTED WATCHING WRESTLING IN 2006!!!!!!!!!

But seriously, I'd love a nice long title reign or two. But there's nobody on the roster deserving of it.

"I don't like Cena's run" does not mean "I don't like long title runs," and "I like long title runs" does not mean "I like Cena's long run."

[Kane Knight]

Actually, I just bought an iPod last week, and I'm quite happy with it. They must've improved it down the line somewhere (I got the gen2 ipod nano).

I know several people who are satisfied with the PS2.

That doesn't change the fact that the systems were released with known hardware flaws that were so problematic they faced class-action suits. You know, like every single iPod release to date.

[Mr. Nerfect]

But seriously, I'd love a nice long title reign or two. But there's nobody on the roster deserving of it.

"I don't like Cena's run" does not mean "I don't like long title runs," and "I like long title runs" does not mean "I like Cena's long run."

I agree with your end statements. I think there are guys deserving of a long title reign. Chris Benoit and Kane come to mind, although Benoit is a bit of a mid-carder these days, and it is debatable whether Kane could. He deserves it, though.

[darkpower]

I know several people who are satisfied with the PS2.

That doesn't change the fact that the systems were released with known hardware flaws that were so problematic they faced class-action suits. You know, like every single iPod release to date.

Not to mention a 100 buck HDD that if you don't play FFXI (which I do) or have had it on the PC, is utterly useless (in the PS2, I mean).

[Kane Knight]

I agree with your end statements. I think there are guys deserving of a long title reign. Chris Benoit and Kane come to mind, although Benoit is a bit of a mid-carder these days, and it is debatable whether Kane could. He deserves it, though.

"Deserves it" and "could pull it off" are, as noted, very different things.

JBL was awesome. Whether or not he deserved it, he was awesome. But the phrase "didn't draw a dime" seems better to use on him than on Hart. His reign was not very successful, from what I've seen.

And that's with Eddie carrying his ass in-ring.

Kane? Not sure the Undertaker Lite! Would manage to draw a crowd. Benoit, with his treatment, doubt it.

I'm not saying there aren't people with skills in WWE. Just nobody really with the power to keep a long title reign going. And there's a huge difference.

[addy2hotty]

Back on topic a tad, I thought the Rumble was pretty standard.

The other matches all pretty much sucked ass, and only the format and extended ending of the Rumble match was anything like interesting. Seems like only one storyline for Mania other than the title situations has come out of this and that is Bookaaah and Kane. What the fuck? It's no Michaels/Angle or Goldberg/Brock.

The Great Khali managed to give one of the most embarrassing performances I've ever seen, those headbutts had me laughing myself stupid. Then he goes on to eliminate most of the WWE's midcard with ease. Wonderful.

[Kane Knight]

Not to mention a 100 buck HDD that if you don't play FFXI (which I do) or have had it on the PC, is utterly useless (in the PS2, I mean).

:lol:

I remember people saying 80 GB wouldn't be enough. Guess they were wrong. ;)

Anyway, the major point was that being the #1 brand of anything doesn't make you good. It often means you provide an inferior product. OR a poorly supported product. Or a defective product.

Smart consumers often stray away from these products simply because they know the track records.

The optimist's complaint was one that they were the major leagues. The big deal. The problem is, he's basically complaining he shouldn't have to be a discerning customer because they're supposed to be the best.

[Jaded-Dragon]

As I watched the Cena vs Umaga match I couldn't help but think of the phrase "Insulting your intelligence". Knowing that Cena wuld win aside, when Estrada pulled out a LED PIPE to loosed the turnbuckle, just to tell Umaga to pick it up and hit Cena with it.... Yeah wtf.

Kennedy vs Tista I thought was surprisingly good. I love Kennedy, and I knew he wouldn't win, be he came off looking like a real threat.

ECW title match - crap.

Tag team match, not bad, in fact I liked it.

The Rumble match itself. Not at all exciting untill the last 2 minutes. Even then, not as exciting as past Rumbles. Is it sad that he final two came down to two guys that have been in the WWE longer than anyone else in the locker room, and that both of them are on the last leg of their careers?

[the Illusionist]

wow, and I thought I was bitter. so you went from unbiased to one sided, nice. alot of what you said is true, if not stupid.

p.s, how does TNA not do the exact same thing? they call Bound For Glory thet biggest wrestling event of all time, and actually make rivalries as in announcing them, not settling.

[the Illusionist]

"Deserves it" and "could pull it off" are, as noted, very different things.

JBL was awesome. Whether or not he deserved it, he was awesome. But the phrase "didn't draw a dime" seems better to use on him than on Hart. His reign was not very successful, from what I've seen.

And that's with Eddie carrying his ass in-ring.

Kane? Not sure the Undertaker Lite! Would manage to draw a crowd. Benoit, with his treatment, doubt it.

I'm not saying there aren't people with skills in WWE. Just nobody really with the power to keep a long title reign going. And there's a huge difference.

as opposed their competition, which is what really defines a champs run.JBL sucked major as champ and didnt deserve it. so that was neither. Kane would have plenty of support and keeps putting other guys over instead of himself.