Why is/was Vince so fond of Shawn Michaels?

[Johnny Vegas]

Going back to the stunts Michaels pulled back in the middle to late '90s, why did Vince not take action and punish him or whatnot. Was it because of the ratings war and Vince not thinking he would be able to compete with WCW in the ratings war with Michaels united with Hall and Nash? Did Vince just not like Bret as much as Michaels? (Seeing as most of the stunts HBK pulled were on, or relating to, the Hart Foundation)

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[Gerard]

He sucks like a dyson hoover possibly?

[Jordan]

Probably because he didnt do anything. He was just difficult I think (from what I have herd/read/seen).

[Kane Knight]

Probably because he didnt do anything. He was just difficult I think (from what I have herd/read/seen).

"Being Difficult" gets you punished in many cases. To say he didn't do anything begs the question why so many other "Difficult" stars have been punished.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Maybe because he was the headliner? The show stopper? The main event?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Or perhaps due to the fact that he was a tag team specialist. :shifty:

[Xero]

He should have gotten a lot of shit but he didn't. He even got in trouble for doing the crotch chops, and look where that got him. Instead of being severely punished (I think he got a fine) it became a staple of his gimmick.

[Jordan]

Its HBK he can do what he wants.

[Xero]

But WHY can he "do what he wants"?

[Shadow]

He sucks like a dyson hoover possibly?

[Savio]

But WHY can he "do what he wants"?Because he starred in playgirl

[BigDaddyCool]

Because he is Vince's coke buddy.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Maybe he has some incriminating evidence? The bill for Vince's ass implants, perhaps?

[Stickman]

I think it's because HBK is the goods in the ring and the goods on the mic if he wants to be.

[Xero]

I did not sleep with that young intern.

In fact, I was UP! ALL! NIIIGHHTT!

[Jeritron]

Have you have ever considered that he got cut a lot of slack because of the possibility that maybe, just maybe, he was the fuckin goods?

[Xero]

Have you have ever considered that he got cut a lot of slack because of the possibility that maybe, just maybe, he was the fuckin goods?
Yeah, I'm sure I can name a shit load of guys who were "the fuckin goods" and were treated like "fuckin shit".

[Anybody Thrilla]

Have you have ever considered that he got cut a lot of slack because of the possibility that maybe, just maybe, he was the fuckin goods?

But think of all the people who got cut slack who weren't the goods? I mean, I can't think of any, but I'm sure there were some. Ask one of these dorks that know way too much, they'll back me.

[Jeritron]

Yea, well Shawn was the companys only hope at one point. He has been punished, but in 96/97 he got away with a lot because what were they gonna do, tell him to walk and sign their own death certifficate? The way Shawn was those days he would have walked out on them in a heartbeat if he saw fit for his pride and ego. So they handled him very delicately.
Thats why Hunter was punished in MSG for doing the same thing as their champion, and Shawn wasn't. Maybe its not fair, but it makes a lot of sense.
They needed Shawn Michaels so badly at that particular time, that maybe he got away with things nobody else did or ever would (especially now).

[Anybody Thrilla]

They easily could have put Savio Vega in his spot. :shifty:

[JTB31]

Their star power wasn't all that great back then and if they had lost Shawn Michaels, the company would of sunk.Especially if he went to WCW who was already ahead of wwe at that time.

[Avenger]

Yeah, I'm sure I can name a shit load of guys who were "the fuckin goods" and were treated like "fuckin shit".HBK is probably not far off the best in-ring performer of all-time. He's better than Bret, he's better than Flair and he's better than your Benoits and your Guerreros.

That's why.

[The One]

By the time Michaels became a huge dick and was difficult to work with, he was one of maybe 4 or 5 workers who were good draws. And by that time he had a close friendship with McMahon. We all have done it (or at least seen it) that those that are close with the big bossman get away with whatever they want.

[Funky Fly]

"Being Difficult" gets you punished in many cases. To say he didn't do anything begs the question why so many other "Difficult" stars have been punished.
For example, Paul London calmly and rationally puts for an argument for the Cruiserweights to maintain their aerial manoevers. The next week, he jobs his title to Nunzio and becomes a massive whiner on screen.

HBK was a lot more than difficult. Walking out on the company, faking injuries, being a dick to everybody, getting into fights... yeah, difficult.

[Avenger]

Yeah but HBK was ten times the worker Paul London will ever be. Sometimes brilliance gets you a little immunity in life.

I'm not saying it's fair, just how it is.

[Anybody Thrilla]

HBK's pretty sweet and all, but that 'smile losing' is the lamest shit ever.

[Funky Fly]

Yeah but HBK was ten times the worker Paul London will ever be. Sometimes brilliance gets you a little immunity in life.

I'm not saying it's fair, just how it is.
Tell that to Bret Hart.

[Kane Knight]

Tell it to CM Punk. All I hear on these boards is praise for him like he's Jesus. And he's jobbing to Bobcore and "in the doghouse" for like a fiftieth of what Michaels did.

As for the whole "sign their death certificate" shit, this is not an all or nothing thing. You can punish someone without BAHGAWD HES FIRED AND GOING TO WCW!

[AdrianM]

I think it's because HBK is the goods in the ring and the goods on the mic if he wants to be.

yeah but so was bret hart.

It's interesting tho. like I was thinking about this the other day. They gave Bret the title, then almost immediatly they tried to make shawn the number 1 player in the fed, like they always favoured Shawn.

[mike627]

yeah but so was bret hart.

It's interesting tho. like I was thinking about this the other day. They gave Bret the title, then almost immediatly they tried to make shawn the number 1 player in the fed, like they always favoured Shawn.Then again Shawn never shot his mouth off about the direction of company like Bret did.

[Xero]

Then again Shawn never shot his mouth off about the direction of company like Bret did.
Yeah, because Shawn was getting things his way by the time he gave a shit.

[Sting Fan]

HBK is probably not far off the best in-ring performer of all-time. He's better than Bret, he's better than Flair and he's better than your Benoits and your Guerreros.

That's why.


Hes not that good, not even bloody close.

He is just a higher flying version of Hogan or for that matter John Cena he gets beat up, he hits a move, kip up, Hulk up, no sell and superkick. Its the same old shit recycled and compacted 7 times over, I have hardly ever seen a match of HBK's that has stolen the show. Only about 2 spring to mind when I can name probably 5 each for Eddie and Benoit respectively in the last 4 years.

Michaels has good matches sometimes no doubt but to say hes better than Benoit or Eddie is a joke. Especialy now.

HBK is so over rated it is not funny, I mark for him from time to time but he is not that great.

[Dorkchop]

I'd imagine HBK was a two faced suck up at the time.

[BigDaddyCool]

Oh come on, how can you compare Benoit to Michaels? Beniot is boring as shit on the mic and is only good against a charismatic worker. While on the other hand Micheals is entertaining on the mic and can put on a show with anyone.

Don't get me wrong, Benoit can go in the ring, but he isn't a draw by any strech of the imagination. As for St. Guerrero...well it is hard to say anything crital now that he is dead, but he was good, just never Shawn Michaels good.

Idk, Micheals just had that extra i don't know what. And it was a different time. Now that WWE won the war, McMahon doesn't take the cruiserwieght's shit.

[Jura]

How can you misspell Michaels and Benoit but not Guerrero? Don't mess with my mind man!

[Corkscrewed]

I thought the answer is politics. He liked/s Michaels. Simple as that.

[ttetf]

In 96'-97' nobody in WWF, WCW, or ECW was on the level Michaels was as far as all around in ring ability, psychology, and charisma. He could also effectively portray both a face and heel. I'm not taking anything away from Flair, Bret, and others who stand the test of time as true greats. But those two years were all Michaels. Had he not been that great, Vince wouldn't have put up with his shit. Afterall, he chose to keep HBK but lose Bret. (Although in hindsight that wasn't the best move given HBK was done less than 6 months later) It boils down to money. Vince saw Shawn as the most marketable talent he had for those years and would do anything to keep him.

[wwe2222]

Hes not that good, not even bloody close.

He is just a higher flying version of Hogan or for that matter John Cena he gets beat up, he hits a move, kip up, Hulk up, no sell and superkick. Its the same old shit recycled and compacted 7 times over, I have hardly ever seen a match of HBK's that has stolen the show. Only about 2 spring to mind when I can name probably 5 each for Eddie and Benoit respectively in the last 4 years.

Michaels has good matches sometimes no doubt but to say hes better than Benoit or Eddie is a joke. Especialy now.

HBK is so over rated it is not funny, I mark for him from time to time but he is not that great.

Raw vs HHH for the Title, Last Man Standing Match vs HHH, WM20 Main Event, Survivor Series 04, Raw vs Shelton, WM22 vs Angle, he carried Hogan to a good match at SummerSlam and Vince to a good match at WM.

there...thats more than '2' matches

[mike627]

Yeah, because Shawn was getting things his way by the time he gave a shit. to this day I can't believe Bret thought that Vince wolud not react once he did speak out.

[Stickman]

HBK has "it"

[Pepsi Man]

Raw vs HHH for the Title, Last Man Standing Match vs HHH, WM20 Main Event, Survivor Series 04, Raw vs Shelton, WM22 vs Angle, he carried Hogan to a good match at SummerSlam and Vince to a good match at WM.

there...thats more than '2' matches
What did Michaels do at Survivor Series '04, or am I missing something?

[wwe2222]

What did Michaels do at Survivor Series '04, or am I missing something?

I think it was 04...he teamed with the Dudleys and booker I think...he was the last remaining guy on his team...put on a helluva show that match even though he lost when batista powerbombed him and Orton took the victory

[Stickman]

Michaels has the ability to steal the show and usually does everytime he goes out there. Benoit doesn't.

[Pepsi Man]

I think it was 04...he teamed with the Dudleys and booker I think...he was the last remaining guy on his team...put on a helluva show that match even though he lost when batista powerbombed him and Orton took the victory
Oh, okay; that was '03. Not the biggest of deals, but I couldn't just assume.

[AdrianM]

Afterall, he chose to keep HBK but lose Bret. (Although in hindsight that wasn't the best move given HBK was done less than 6 months later) It boils down to money. Vince saw Shawn as the most marketable talent he had for those years and would do anything to keep him.

I guess thats the point. People are suggesting a bunch of reasons here as towhy HBK could get away with so much shit that others couldn't, but why did Vince see shawnasthe most marketable talent at that time.

I may be bias, but I think Bret was equally as marketable.


I'm curious though. When did shawn really start being a dick?

[Jeritron]

As far as I know he was as long as hes been a singles star. I don't know much about his Rockers days, but I've known of problems with him dating all the way back to 94.

Vince chose Shawn because he was more versatile with his character at the time, and wasn't afraid to cross boundaries. He would play heel or face, do the DX thing, and was a bit more charismatic. Bret and Shawn could both go in the ring, but Bret really wasn't as comfortable with things and was a little less versatile about what he would and wouldn't do.
Plus the money issue and what not.

[McLegend]

Just because certain wrestlers only use a certain amount of offensive moves doesn't mean they suck or are.

I would just like to point that out.

[Savio]

Yeah HBK is probably the best guy in the ring.

[Jeritron]

Bret Hart is one of, if not the greatest pro wrestlers of all time. He's amazing.
However, Shawn is the single best performer I have ever watched. If I had to list the best 20 WWF/E matches of all time, he'd be in at least 10 or 12 of them.

It's so hard to pick between two guys like that.

[Savio]

I'd also like to point out no matter how many offensive moves legend does he will still suck
I hope nervous ferret reads this

[McLegend]

I'd also like to point out no matter how many offensive moves legend does he will still suck
I hope nervous ferret reads this
That is also true.He probably will cause he is a homolike you

[Nervous Ferret]

I bet you guys weren't expecting me to post in this thread except for legend who has a tiny cock and a girly coice. He also has a girly voice. I have no clue what a coice is.

[McLegend]

Vanity Search

[Flair Wooo]

Shawn was just better at sucking dick than everyone else.

Bret hart > shawn "lost my smile cry baby" micheals

[Nark Order]

It all comes down to the fact that since the early times of Shawn Michaels, Vince has become a billionaire. He has absolutely no fear whatsoever anymore. He knows that the WWE is (more or less) a complete monopoly of the professional wrestling industry. Whoever the company loses now will not hurt them seemingly at all anymore. This has been proved numerous times over the years with Hall, Nash, Steiner, Christian, and even Angle. He's had main eventers come and go as they please and he's shipped just as many out with the infamous "You're fired". He knows it's going to take alot of fire to get him into hot water again.

In the time of Michaels... HBK was really all they had at the time in terms of established stars. Especially after Bret left. If I were running the company, maybe I'd let alot of shit slide too.

[The One]

Shawn was just better at sucking dick than everyone else.

Bret hart > shawn "lost my smile cry baby" micheals

LMAO! Michaels is the cry baby when compared to Bret Hart??? My opinion of Hart being overhyped aside, he is unquestionably one of the best wrestlers ever. Having said that, he bitches/whines/moans/complains more in a 20 minute span than the entire cancer ward at your local hospital combined.