I am so sick of world champions that "aren't that bad".

[Fignuts]

I heard a lot of this when Batista was on his first run as champ, and I'm hearing a lot of it now with Lashley.

"He's not that bad." "He's getting better."

These are great statements for a mid-carder. But for a world champion? Hell no. A guy needs at least one of the following to be champ.

1. Great Mic skills

2. Great In-ring work

3. Freak of nature i.e. Khali or Big show. Being jakked up on steroids doesnt count.

Neither Lashley or Batista has any of these qualities. Yet a lot of people are ok with them as champ just because "they are getting better". I say fuck that. Thats what the mid card, and the intercontinental title is for. Guys like this do not deserve the the belt imo, and wwe needs to stop pushing guys up the ladder so fast.

[McLegend]

Lashly is champion of ECW, and that is the mid-card.

As for Batista WWE had to put the belt on him if they wanted to make any money off of him.

[Kane Knight]

What's the point of posting topics like this? They only serve to agitate people and something something...

[Kane Knight]

Anyway, I'm sick of mediocrity in wrestling, period. I mean, I'm okay with "He's okay" guys on the roster, but when they dominate the fucker...

[Fignuts]

What's the point of posting topics like this? They only serve to agitate people and something something...

Don't soak your huggies dear.

[Jeritron]

I hear you fignuts, but you're preaching to the choir. They put the belt on guys before they're "ready" because they're trying to make stars that way. Its wrong but its what they're doing. There are very few guys on the roster right now who in any way stack up to the various talents of the past champions we've had over the last 10 years.

But you're right, they do put the belt on mediocrity. But thats because the whole thing is mediocre. I don't know what would be said about other wrestlers if they got the belt. You know they're done championship run wise with Benoit and such. Orton's mediocre despite what people say. It goes on down the line, save a handful of guys, who in WWE's eyes aren't worthy.

[Kane Knight]

Don't soak your huggies dear.

It's funny because it's exactly what you did...

[Kane Knight]

I hear you fignuts, but you're preaching to the choir. They put the belt on guys before they're "ready" because they're trying to make stars that way. Its wrong but its what they're doing. There are very few guys on the roster right now who in any way stack up to the various talents of the past champions we've had over the last 10 years.

But you're right, they do put the belt on mediocrity. But thats because the whole thing is mediocre. I don't know what would be said about other wrestlers if they got the belt. You know they're done championship run wise with Benoit and such. Orton's mediocre despite what people say. It goes on down the line, save a handful of guys, who in WWE's eyes aren't worthy.

It's almost as though they think that the title will make someone good, not vice versa.

[Fignuts]

It's funny because it's exactly what you did...

How so?

[Skippord]

HOTTTTTTTTTTT FEUD

[leno40]

It's as much about the look as anything else. Batista's horrible on the mic and mediocre in the ring, but he looks like a champion, and that's enough for most of the audience. As far as the WWE is concerned, if they can work and talk a bit it's just gravy.

[the wwe champion]

Actually we were the people who cheered for Dave which led him to
the main event spot so bare the cons.

[Jeritron]

speak for yourself bro

[Kane Knight]

How so?

Think for a moment.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I definitely was pulling for Batista to beat Triple H at Wrestlemania, but after that, I immediately stopped caring about him. He was just blessed with a solid storyline with a solid worker, and he's been riding the same wave ever since.

As far as Lashley, yeah, maybe he shouldn't be champion either, but it IS ECW, he IS getting better, and I really can't see too many other people that would do a better job as champ at the moment. RVD maybe, but I think we all know how the WWE feels about him right now.

[Loose Cannon]

I definitely was pulling for Batista to beat Triple H at Wrestlemania, but after that, I immediately stopped caring about him. He was just blessed with a solid storyline with a solid worker, and he's been riding the same wave ever since.

pretty much. The storyline was the best they've done in years. They actually built something up. Then Batista got the Warrior syndrome right after Mania.

[Outsider]

Think for a moment.

That would be a first.

[Fignuts]

You're the one who started acting like a prick in that thread, outsider. I made the thread in a civil manner, and offered a valid point. Not my fault people somehow interrpretted it as an attack. because it wasn't.

[Fignuts]

I definitely was pulling for Batista to beat Triple H at Wrestlemania, but after that, I immediately stopped caring about him. He was just blessed with a solid storyline with a solid worker, and he's been riding the same wave ever since.

I agree that that fued was very well booked. I enjoyed it myself. But you said yourself, a good fued can only get you so far. As much as I enjoyed it, I kept saying to myself that after this fued is done, this is gonna be a pretty difficult championship run to make interesting.

[Stickman]

Well the ECW world Champ, and the Smackdown Champ are both mid card titles so does it really matter? You should be whining about Cena because he's the mainevent Champ.

[Fignuts]

I suppose I could bend a bit, and agree that the ecw title is more of a mid card title. But I just dont see the smackdown title in that light. Regardless of the fact that there hasnt been a very good title run on the show since angle dropped it, I dont think that automaticly makes it a midcard title. Devalues it, yes, but not to that degree.

And back onto the ecw title, even if it is seen as a midcard title, you aren't going to elevate its status by putting it on a guy who belongs in the midcard. You need a proven champ to win it. Even if you have to send someone from raw or smackdown.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I thought Big Show was doing a good job with it.

[Londoner]

^ But even Big Show could be considered 'mid card' in the WWE.

[Fignuts]

Yeah, me too. But I don't think Lashley should have the one to beat him for it.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Who should've? RVD?

[Anybody Thrilla]

^ But even Big Show could be considered 'mid card' in the WWE.

He was at least a main eventer before.

[Stickman]

Smackdown is midcard

[owenbrown]

They can start by not having the champions (i.e. Lashley, Batista and YES... JOHN CENA) get their asses kicked most of the match and have them just perform their finisher at the end and win. 10+ years ago, all 3 of these titles used to mean something... now they are all a joke.

[Fignuts]

Who should've? RVD?

Well since WWE just pulled lashley from smackdown to be ecw champ, I don't think we need to restrict our own opinions of who should have won to just the ECW roster.

Benoit would have been the best choice imo.

[the Illusionist]

Benoit, Edge and Sabu. There's your credibility. Fuck right off with Cena, Batista and Lashley.

[Fignuts]

Sabu would make a good transitional champ in ecw I think. I havn't seen any decent matches from him that don't involve chaqirs tables and ladders, so he could only really work as champ for so long, as I doubt wwe would be willing to make all his title defenses extreme rules. Although they could do thaqt if it was part of a storyline.

[Innovator]

Lashley is green, so there is at least a chance he can get better...but why move him from Smackdown where he could wrestle against Booker, Finlay, Benoit, and other guys who can hide his weaknesses?

Batista just doesn't care

[Fignuts]

For the record, I actually didn't have a problem with cena winning the title. He has amazing charisma and fantastic mic skills. And he can put on a really good match with a little help from his opponent. The problem with Cena is that they changed his character from a cool likeable anti-hero akin to stonecold, into a kid friendly poster child for lame white rappers.

[Jura]

For the record, I actually didn't have a problem with cena winning the title. He has amazing charisma and fantastic mic skills. And he can put on a really good match with a little help from his opponent. The problem with Cena is that they changed his character from a cool likeable anti-hero akin to stonecold, into a kid friendly poster child for lame white rappers.
Before I liked him but now I cringe when he gets on the mic and especially when he tries to be funny and uses strange words like The Rock but with less success of it catching on or being funny.

[Fignuts]

It's not his fault really. I highly doubt the transition was his idea.

[JohnnyA]

Most of the time the champions favor whoever is making the most money for the company...this is a business, after all.

On another note, business sense doesn't exist much on this, or any of the other online forums.

Professional Wrestling is a lucrative business first and foremost. Having champions who are or have been considered 'not that bad' are nothing new, and as long as these invidivuals continue to draw piles of money, it will not change. I wish it could be all about creative, but unfortunately, it isn't.

Cena sells to the kiddies, teens and pre-teens who have, and have for the last twenty years spent their school lives attempting to be...a dorky looking thug-wannabe. He's a fucking goldmine. He can't work worth a damn, but if the WWE can make ten million here, or two million there, what do you 'honestly' think they're going to go for?

Personally, I think they're missing out on some of their more mature audience by not going a bit harder with Edge instead of Orton so much, but I could be mistaken.

[The Optimist]

Hilarious. The definition of a Champoinship belt from Wikipedia: "Outside of kayfabe, championships are usually won/held by a wrestler whom the promotion's bookers believe will generate fan interest in terms of event attendance and TV viewership. Usually, these are wrestlers who generate large fan interest and crowd reactions over a sustained period of time, whether as a face or a heel."


Lashley was not one of those. Hell, I bet Rey outsells Batista even today.

[Fignuts]

Most of the time the champions favor whoever is making the most money for the company...this is a business, after all.

On another note, business sense doesn't exist much on this, or any of the other online forums.

Professional Wrestling is a lucrative business first and foremost. Having champions who are or have been considered 'not that bad' are nothing new, and as long as these invidivuals continue to draw piles of money, it will not change. I wish it could be all about creative, but unfortunately, it isn't.

Cena sells to the kiddies, teens and pre-teens who have, and have for the last twenty years spent their school lives attempting to be...a dorky looking thug-wannabe. He's a fucking goldmine. He can't work worth a damn, but if the WWE can make ten million here, or two million there, what do you 'honestly' think they're going to go for?

Personally, I think they're missing out on some of their more mature audience by not going a bit harder with Edge instead of Orton so much, but I could be mistaken.

I can agree with most of this, but not the "this is nothing new" part. Up until about 3 years ago all the champs past have either been incredibly charismatic, or phenominal in-ring workers. Thats usually what drives their merchandise sales in the first place. That said, while batista may sell a lot of merchandise, I'm willing to bet its nowhere near how much past champions who had the above above attributes used to sell.

And Lashley doesn't sell at all most likely.

[JohnnyA]

From a business standpoint, I'm still trying to figure out the Lashley thing. Unless they just consider it a future investment...but I preferred it when Vince 'didn't' put the belt on 'future investments.'

[The Optimist]

We'd like to wish Lashley the best in all his future investments. . .


Er. . .fucked that up.

[St. Jimmy]

Batista... is.... SO... FUCKING... TERRIBLE.

A fussy toddler could outgrapple him.

[JohnnyA]

Hey, come on now, you're talking about Ole Anderson here. He's gotta be gold.