Watchmen

[Kane Knight]

Okay, so the guys who are doing 300 are now working on Watchmen, another Alan Moore Graphic novel (Moore did V for Vendetta).

Watchmen's a great "comic," but I seriously worry about someone's ability to pull it off well. Partially because of what has been done with V, and partially because the idea's been around for a while and always failed to make it to the big screen.

[Fignuts]

The straight fact is this. If you go in trying to compare it to the book, and put it on the same pedastal, you will be dissapointed.

If you go in just to watch it as a fun movie, I think you will be very impressed. Especially if its the same guys working on it from 300.

[Lock Jaw]

Apparently in the 300 trailer for approximatley one frame you see this:

http://www.comic-scans.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/watchmen-rorschach.jpg

[Kane Knight]

I don't know. On the one hand, you could say that, on the other hand, Alan Moore doesn't seem to want it made...

...The really sad thing is that it dosn't have to be that way. Transfering from one inherrently visual medium to another is not as horrific an experience as translating between a book and a movie or whatever.

People don't do it, but it doesn't mean it can't be done.

[Kane Knight]

Apparently in the 300 trailer for approximatley one frame you see this:

http://www.comic-scans.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/watchmen-rorschach.jpg

Yeah, I heard there was an Easter Egg.

RORSHACK! :love:

[Kane Knight]

I totally botched the spelling there. I'm too tired for this shit.

[Fignuts]

I don't know. On the one hand, you could say that, on the other hand, Alan Moore doesn't seem to want it made...

...The really sad thing is that it dosn't have to be that way. Transfering from one inherrently visual medium to another is not as horrific an experience as translating between a book and a movie or whatever.

People don't do it, but it doesn't mean it can't be done.

If it were up to Alan Moore he'd seal all his work in a safe made of adamantium, and then ship it to Olympus so no mortal men can ever look upon them

[Fignuts]

Then again after LofEG and Man-Thing, can you blame him?

[Kane Knight]

Couldn't say. Didn't watch either. Though I can't blame him after V. That certainly wasn't a case of "It's hard to translate ideas to the movies," it was a case of two self-righteous cunts deciding to take an old idea to bash a message over our heads.

I don't mind adapting a movie from another source. Some of these adaptations annoy me for different reasons.

[Blitz]

I like Zach Snyder as director. Casting is gonna be interesting, especially for Rorschach, who will likely receive the most fan scrutiny (I like Robert Knepper from Prison Break for Rorschach btw). Snyder apparently wants to keep the Tales of the Black Freighter stuff in, which I disagree with.

In the end, of course it will be inferior to the books. But I can't wait for it anyways.

Also, rumour is Gerard Butler has been cast in a role. Hasn't said who, but I would bet on The Comedian.

[Kane Knight]

Rorschach should be easy to cast, provided they haven't rewritten him into a smooth ladies man.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Snyder apparently wants to keep the Tales of the Black Freighter stuff in

Like there isn't enough material in the main story to try and cram in. Ugh.

[Kane Knight]

Like there isn't enough material in the main story to try and cram in. Ugh.

Look at it this way:

Lord of the Rings had parts cut out to add in a romance that was never really present in the books.

V for Vendetta cut parts so that they could include a subplot about Room V and all the evils of this secret conspiracy.

Eragon had important parts to better include...I don't even know how to put that one.

Maybe, by keeping in this worthless sideplot deal, they will feel they've filled their quota for extraneous crap, and won't throw in random shit.

Sure, they're excise something important, but at least it won't be for a sex scene between Rorschach and Ozymandias, Brokeback_Style.

[loopydate]

"April 29. Awaken in snowglobe. Smells like Bubastis piss. He offers tea. Wish knew how to quit."

[Kane Knight]

I forgot about the link between 300 and this, until Loopy posted.

I fear this movie will suck ass if anyone tied to 300 is involved.

[Blitz]

So, Ain't It Cool News is reporting that 3 offers for roles in the movie have gone out: to Patrick Wilson for Dan Dreiberg, Jude Law for Ozymandias, and................Keanu Reeves for Dr. Manhattan?!??

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32743

Now remember, this is AICN, so take this with a large grain of salt. And even if it is true, it's only offers, which doesn't necessarily mean they're in. Personally, I don't mind Law for Ozy, and I really love the idea of Patrick Wilson as Dreiberg. Keanu tho.....well, let's just say I'm a little skeptical.

[Blitz]

Oh and Jackie Earl Haley from Little Children is rumoured for Rorschach.

[Jeritron]

The only romance in the LOTR books was between Frodo and Sam, so they added some heterosexual dynamic between Aragorn and Arwen. Oh fucking well, it made for a better movie trilogy.

[Jeritron]

I must admit I liked V for Vendetta

[Kane Knight]

The only romance in the LOTR books was between Frodo and Sam, so they added some heterosexual dynamic between Aragorn and Arwen. Oh fucking well, it made for a better movie trilogy.

No, just a less gay one.

[Blitz]

Big update from Comic-con:

Most of the cast has been announced:

Jackie Earle Haley as Rorschach
Patrick Wilson as Dan/Owl
Billy Crudup as Dr. Manahttan
Jeffrey Dean Morgan as The Comedian
Stephen McHattie as Hollis
Malin Akerman as Laurie

There's also been some rumours of Matthew Goode as Adrian Veidt, but nothing was said about that. I like the cast, except I'm not sold on Malin Akerman. The few things I've seen her in ahsn't given me an impression of much range. Other points from Comic-con, taken from Ain't It Cool News:

-Sets are being built in Vancouver right now, including a New York City backlot. Not going to be 300 style, very little digital work except on Mars and in Antarctica.

-Think more SE7EN than SIN CITY in terms of production design.

-Warner Bros is behind an R-rated film.

-It is period. 1985. There was talk of updating it, but Snyder said it never felt right making it about the War On Terror instead of the Cold War, so he insisted it be set in 1985. Warners agreed.

-While it's not a hard rule, he is going to be using the original comic as storyboards. He'll use them to set the framing for most of the movie.

-The casting was not an exercise in marketing, big names avoided.

-Alan Moore is not involved. He asked for his name to be taken off the project way back when it was first being developed and Snyder is honoring that... but he does hope that this will be the first film made from one of his properties that Moore will eventually think "wasn't fucked up too badly."

-Release date is 03-06-09.

-David Gibbons has gotten behind the movie and has frequently given his thoughts on the script and art.

[Blitz]

Brief interview with Snyder at AICN: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33491

Biggest news is tht the Tales of the Black Freighter storyline is cut.

[Lock Jaw]

Hardly surprising.

[Blitz]

Update: Carla Gugino cast as Sally Jupiter.

[Dave Youell]

I don't know much about Watchmen, all I know is it’s about a bunch of superheroes and one of them gets killed so then there’s an investigation by the other superheroes.

I’m not going to do loads of reading into it, as with guys like KK, they know so much about story, no matter what the film makers do, you’re always going to be a little disappointed with the outcome.

I went into V for Vendetta only knowing that Hugo Weaving was a good guy terrorist and the Wacked out brothers were involved, that was enough to gain my interest, I didn’t know there was such a detailed story to go along with the idea and I loved it, I think it’s better if I do the same with watchmen

[Danny Electric]

Update: Carla Gugino cast as Sally Jupiter.

she is so hot :love:

[Kane Knight]

I don't know much about Watchmen, all I know is it’s about a bunch of superheroes and one of them gets killed so then there’s an investigation by the other superheroes.

I’m not going to do loads of reading into it, as with guys like KK, they know so much about story, no matter what the film makers do, you’re always going to be a little disappointed with the outcome.

I went into V for Vendetta only knowing that Hugo Weaving was a good guy terrorist and the Wacked out brothers were involved, that was enough to gain my interest, I didn’t know there was such a detailed story to go along with the idea and I loved it, I think it’s better if I do the same with watchmen

Actually, I LOVED V.

I walked out of Batman begins with a 3' (Roughly one meter) erection.

It IS possible to please the fans, and it's even likely if you know how to do it.

Most people, unfortunately, slap the name on the movie and that's that.

So people like KK who know about the story may not be disappointed. If you see a fat yank with sunglasses walking around with a 4' erection, you know what happened. ;)

[Chuck Jones]

I am excited for this movie...

[diothoir]

I am currently reading this on the recommendation of the Destroyer.

Not a huge comic book fan, though lots of praise I see.

[Fignuts]

I am excited for this movie...


Chuck Jones, young man about town.

[Fignuts]

Didn't care for the Watchmen.


There.


I said it.

[Blitz]

Holy shit man, are you crazy.

[Fignuts]

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[Blitz]

ROBERT DUVALL!!!!!

[Xerzes]

They'd better not fuck this up.

[Champion of Europa]

I downloaded the comics, and I'm only 4 issues in and I'm in love with it. Dr. Manhattan is such a awesome, complex character.

[The Destroyer]

I am currently reading this on the recommendation of the Destroyer.

Not a huge comic book fan, though lots of praise I see.
Go me. :cool:

[Blitz]

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34899

Stills. The Bernies! Gunga Diner! RORSCHACH!!!! :love: :love: :love:

EDIT: Larger versions
http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=238958

[Jeritron]

Just finished reading this. Had been meaning to for a long time and finally went out and did it. Amazing.

[Mr Regal]

It's rumored that Gerad Butler will be the Sailor in the Black Freighter and it will be made seperate from the film....DVD extra or maybe a short before the movie, maybe it's own movie....who knows.

Btw here is a cast list for those who don't know.

http://www.empireonline.com/features/watchmen101/default.asp?NID=21451

[Blitz]

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5834/watchmenjv2.jpg

Rorschach kills fools.

[Blitz]

OMG

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/8265/comediansmcf2.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5158/ozymandiassmwv5.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9450/rorschachfullsmzq4.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3683/silkspectresmhj1.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5185/niteowlsmbg2.jpg

Hotttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

[loopydate]

Wow. They actually made the Owl costume look cool. I was worried that it wouldn't translate well from the page, but it's actually pretty sweet.

[Skippord]

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3683/silkspectresmhj1.jpg

I want to be on her

[Good Ol JG]

OMG

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/8265/comediansmcf2.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5158/ozymandiassmwv5.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9450/rorschachfullsmzq4.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3683/silkspectresmhj1.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5185/niteowlsmbg2.jpg

Hotttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

Dude I think I just filled the cup.

[ron the dial]

wow that looks pretty stellar

[Chuck Jones]

Ozymandias looks fucking creepy

[Blitz]

Ozymandias looks fucking creepy
That is the one thing I kinda dislike about these shots. He looks cool in all, but (Spoilers for those who've not read the books-I'm afraid looking creepy like that will give away his villainy. Of course, that's coming from someone who already knows the story, so maybe I'm reading too much into it.)

[Jeritron]

The Comedian looks excellent. They all do, but that's right on

I wish they showed Dr. Manhattan

[Blitz]

Yeah, The Comedian is my favourite. He looks dead on, like a real sleazy sonuvabitch.

[Blitz]

The Minutemen

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/3479/mmpicqg5.jpg

[Indifferent Clox]

Looks like Johnny Knoxville lmao.

[El Fangel]

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5185/niteowlsmbg2.jpg

Batman?

No for serious, looks awesome, also, I want to be on that girl.

[ron the dial]

wow the minutemen look hot as fuck

[Lock Jaw]

Apparently there's also gonna be a Tales of the Pirate Guy on the Raft Doing Stuff animated movie released on DVD days after Watchmen gets released in theatres.

"The second film, tentatively called “Tales of the Black Freighter,” follows a side “Watchmen” storyline about a shipwreck and will arrive in stores five days after the main movie rolls out in theaters. The DVD will also include a documentary-style film called “Under the Hood” that will delve into the characters’ backstories."

[Skippord]

lol Hooded Justice

[Nowhere Man]

Damn, I can't believe I'm actually getting excited about this one now. Those costumes look badass.

[Jon Kano]

Although off topic, the film company i often work with/for often work with Alan Moore in my hometown, which is also his. I passed him in the office once but failed to realise who he was!

[Skippord]

I'd stay away from him

that guy is fucking crazy

[Jon Kano]

I know lol after my 'boss' told me I'd just missed him, I looked at his wiki page and he's like a practicing wizard or something who worships some snake god. But fairplay to him the man has a talent and has produced some awesome pieces of work.

[Skippord]

Glycon The Snake God

[Jon Kano]

Who do you think would win in a triple threat -

Glycon The Snake God
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/81/Glykon-statuette.jpg/180px-Glykon-statuette.jpg


VS


The Basilisk in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
http://www.3dawards.org/2003/report/film/Basilisk.jpg


VS


Adder from The Animals of Farthing Wood

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/mini_ha_ha2/adder.gif

[Skippord]

Glycon definitely

I mean he is a snake god

[ron the dial]

yeah i'm ready for this now

[Nowhere Man]

Just saw the full trailer before Dark Knight. I cannot wait to see this movie.

[Blitz]

Trailer: http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/watchmen/

Looks beautiful. Love the stylized look. Dr. Manhattan looks fucking dead on.

[mitchables]

You literally beat me by a couple of minutes on this, Blitz.

Trailer looks excellent.

[Jeritron]

Looks spot on, which means it looks great.

All they have to do is make this movie true to the graphic novel and it's a guarunteed great movie

[Boomer]

I know nothing of Watchmen, but I fully trust David Hayter with his screenplay writing.

[Skippord]

going to see the shit out of this movie

[The Destroyer]

For some reason they didn't show the trailer with the Dark Knight in the UK, which is beyond annoying. :(

It looks very, very promising though.

[Jeritron]

It's expected to have a running time of 3 hours, and the studio wants it to be cut to 2 1/2. Hopefully it stays at 3.

[ron the dial]

shit even at 3 hours it will be hard to put everything in. not that i expect that they will, but the more time they are given the happier i'll be.

[YOUR Hero]

I know nothing about this comic but after seeing the trailer whilst at Batman, I looked into it a little bit and thought it's premise looked kewL.

[Blitz]

http://wbads-02.vo.llnwd.net/e1/wbmovies/watchmen/video/WatchmenScreamALT_Large.mov

Different teaser, shown during the 2008 Scream Awards.

[Blitz]

Hottttttttttttt new trailer

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1808406490/video/10658091

Gahhhh can't wait.

[ron the dial]

ohmygod that is going to be so sick

[Nowhere Man]

Holy shit, yes.

[Blitz]

Is there seriously anything more badass in the world than Rorschach in that trailer. Especially at the end.

[U-Warrior]

I don't think there's ever been a more badass line in any comic ever.

[mitchables]

Goddammit that looks so badass.

[Jeritron]

Gonna be so badass. My doubts lessen with each batch of promotional material that comes out.

I feel like the interest in this movie has grown way past the fanbase too. People who are completely new to the concept and material (average moviegoers) are really interested and pumped about this movie.

[Bo]

I love the buzz this movie is getting. I never heard of watchmen till I saw the trailer during the Dark Knight. I went and bought it after I saw the trailer and loved every minute of it. I am as excited now much as some of you guys who read it years ago.

[BigDaddyCool]

I read the comic book...and i lost some interest. Every character would be the character I love if they were in seperate stories, but they are all in the same one. It would be like if Bender, Master Shake, Starscream, Bart Simpson, and Peter Griffon were all in the same show trying to out jackass each other. It just wouldn't work when no one is a straight man.

[BigDaddyCool]

Also, there was an air of predictableness about the book...maybe it is because it has inspired so many other stories I already know. It would have been much cooler if I read this before I got jaded.

[Jeritron]

This seals the deal that you're a retard

[Blitz]

NBS Nightly News with Ted Phillips

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Stuff like this really makes me love Zack Snyder.

[ron the dial]

that is so beautiful

[Blitz]

The Keene Act And You

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[mitchables]

Those videos are fucking excellent. I cannot wait for this movie. I am just getting more and more excited.

[The Genius]

cant wait for this. im halfway through the graphic novel right now.

[Blitz]

Haha nice.

http://www.minutemenarcade.com/uk/

Click the arcade game to play it.

[Ben Kenobi]

Can't wait to see this, I really had my doubts about it but after seeing the first trailer I was amazed by how well they pulled it off. I always thought Watchmen would be ruined if it would be made into a movie, but Mr. Snyder convinced me. I really love what they did with the NBS news and Keene Act shorts and I can't wait to see Under the Hood as well.

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Kalyx triaD]

A bunch of clips. (http://io9.com/5156689/6-more-watchmen-clips-to-put-you-in-the-costumed-adventuring-mood)

[Nowhere Man]

Awesome.

[Blitz]

Anyone doing a midnight show tonight? Pretty sure I am, despite the fact that only the cheapest, second shittiest theater in town is doing one.

[ClockShot]

Nope. But I'll be at the first show friday morning after work.

[Fignuts]

wtf wait this comes out tomorrow?

[ron the dial]

i will sadly not be attending a midnight showing of this but i'll see it some time this weekend.

[Jeritron]

I'm going at midnight

[Boomer]

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-edit- I always forget to embed. Thanks.

[Juan]

Embed!

[Boomer]

Edited.

[Jeritron]

Unlike any other movie I've ever seen, both visually and structurally. Loved it so much. Brilliant.

[Impeccable]

I've got to wait until tomorrow (saturday) as working today and couldn't get a babysitter for tonight...sad face....so looking forward to this!!!

[FearedSanctity]

Amazing.

[Blitz]

This post is one big spoiler. Probably skip it if you wanna be surprised.




Ok. Saw it. Very good. Snyder has to be commended for making this film, and making it work. I enjoyed all the actors, even Malin Akerman. The two that were head and shoulders above the rest were Jackie Earle Haley and Billy Crudup. Simply put, Jackie was Rorschach, the same way that Heath became the Joker. He was great in the mask, and even better when it was off. His death scene was great. Crudup nailed down Dr. Manhattan. The voice especially was pitch perfect, not what I would've imagined Manhattan to sound like initially, but absolutely right. Matthew Goode was excellent as Adrian as well, which I wasn't expecting.

There were a few moments they included that weren't in the book that I loved. Dreiberg's utter destruction of the guy's arm at the beginning of the fight with the Topknots was great. Rorschach pulling on his mask and asking the shrink what he sees. And maybe my favourite moment of the movie, the shot through the swinging bathroom door of Rorschach advancing on Big Figure. Awesome.

There were some things I did not like, however. I thought the whole Dan/Laurie romance was handled very hamfistedly. The sex scene aboard Archimedes with Hallelujah in the back ground was one big facepalm for me. I was annoyed at the truncation of Rorschach's origin. I understand it's necessary to cut things down, but I dunno how you get rid of Rorschach's speech as he watches the house burn (and I dunno why they found it necessary to change how Rorschach kills the guy either). Some of the dialogue didn't translate as nicely to the screen as I would've liked, but it happens. There was a little too much slow motion for my liking, and not just in the action scenes. I disliked that all of the characters seemed like superheros in the fights, what with knocking the bad guys back 10 feet per kick, and getting thrown around like rag dolls. The whole point is supposed to be that they're just regular humans doing this. I can buy that they'd be in peak physical shape, but it was a bit much to have Ozy throw Rorschach across the room like 20 times.

And the ending. Need to think more about it, but not a fan at the moment. I knew for a long time that the squid would be gone, and I was fine with it. But the idea of framing Dr. Manhattan changes the entire tenor of the ending. I guess it's still the same in spirit, but a few too many liberties were taken with it.

All that said, I still loved it. Beautiful to look at visually. Once again, I commend Snyder for making the translation as faithful as he did. I'd imagine there were some battles with the studio over a lot of things, but he pulled it off. Kudos.

[ClockShot]

Wow. Top critics are really split on this movie.

I'll be leaving in 2 hours and judge for myself.

[Nark Order]

Seeing it tonigt with my girlfriend. Hopefully she can get into it, I know I'll like it.

[Kalyx triaD]

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-edit- I always forget to embed. Thanks.

Wow.

[Nowhere Man]

I think I know why they changed the way Rorschach killed the guy in his origin. In the comic, it's almost a word-for-word reenactment of a scene in Mad Max.

[Jeritron]

lol yea

[Jeritron]

the holygrail isn't open for criticism though.

I kid with the most respect possible. Don't get me wrong, it's the greatest graphic novel ever, and one of the best peices of fiction ever. Period.
But the way people can be is ridiculous. If people went into the graphic novel originally looking for flaws and inaccuracies the way they go into a movie like this, I'm sure they'd muster up some gripes.
This goes for any sequel, adaptation, or remake of something where considerable time has passed. The original becomes untouchable, and the descendant is scrutinized in a "guilty until proven innocent" fashion.

[Boomer]

I thought it was pretty stellar. I would elaborate, but I have to be up in 4 hours. So sleep.

[Jeritron]

I can't wait to go see this again in Imax. If I can't get to a showing, I'll just go see it again regularly. I need to see this again asap.

[Funky Fly]

lotta blue dong and man ass, let me tell you

[FearedSanctity]

Swangin'

[Triple Naitch]

I absolutely loved this movie. I didn't read the novel, so I can't tell what they changed. Everything about this movie was great. The music was perfect. I loved the opening montage. It didn't have the same feel as Dark Knight, but it was damn near close. It totally didn't feel like 2 hours 40 minutes.

And yes, I whacked it to Malin Ackerman after the movie.

[Nowhere Man]

Absolutely fantastic movie. I'm pretty amazed they were able to keep it as faithful to the comic as they did (in spirit, if not to the letter). The opening montage alone is worth the price of admission.

http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/article/the-watchmen-opening-credits-are-online

[McLegend]

I'm on chapter 7 in the book. Can't wait to get it done and see the movie.

It's kick ass so far.

[BigDaddyCool]

Watchmen was pretty good.

[YOUR Hero]

I didn't care for this movie. It was somewhere between a " :-\ " and a " :wtf:" and a " :| " for me.

There were elements I liked about it, but it didn't work for me. Maybe knowing the characters before hand would make it better, dunno.

[Inadequacy]

I kinda liked the new ending.

It just fit in place better I found. I'm not knocking the original ending, but the new one just seemed less...detached?

[Buzzkill]

Pretty lame. Stick to the book.

[ron the dial]

so good. definitely above my expectations. a few things that don't sit right with me, but overall i have to say extremely well done.

[Triple Naitch]

The only thing that really bothered me was that Dr. Manhattan's cock is dangling through pretty much the entire movie.

[ron the dial]

i drew the dick blue because i've never seen a blue dick before. and to be honest, i wanted to see a blue dick.

[Juan]

O'DOYLE RULES!

[Boondock Saint]

Enjoyed it very much so.

[PorkSoda]

I heard this movie is gorey. Like Saw gore. Is that true?

*HIdes behind a pillow*

[FearedSanctity]

Not even close

[BigDaddyCool]

I never finished the comic book, so I didn't really catch that the ending was different. Guess I better finish it...

[Impeccable]

Great film...just glad they didn't show Dr. Manhattan's cock when he was 100ft tall...I was in the front row and it woulda probably twatted me

[BigDaddyCool]

Great film...just glad they didn't show Dr. Manhattan's cock when he was 100ft tall...I was in the front row and it woulda probably twatted me

I would have been glad if they didn't show anyone's cock. But there was way to much naked dudeds in the movie. I'm glad we never had to see Comedian's naked ass.

[Mr Regal]

Good movie, i really enjoyed it. The big blue cock did become quite distracting though. I am also in love with the chick in it...she is ridiculously hot in every scene she is in.

[Good Ol JG]

Loved the book, really liked the film. I'm still divided about the new ending, but it wasn't terrible like I thought it might be. I think it's the best comic adaptation yet. The characters were spot on for the most part, and Snyder did a great job of bringing panels from the book alive on screen. The only real criticism I have is I think they took a lot of stuff away from Ozymandias, I think he came off as more of a straight villain in the film instead of a gray area villain like he was in the book. But, overall, I think it was pretty sweet.

[Fignuts]

I agree with blitz on rorschach's origin. Probably one of the last things I would have cut. Still loved it, and I don't think the giant squid would have worked on the big screen like it worked in the book. Frankly, I like the movie ending better, as I felt the book ended rather abruptly after the squid twist. In the film it just felt a little more fleshed out.

And I likeDr. Manhattan as the framed catalyst, rather than some fake alien squid thing that had only been slightly aluded to once or twice in the book. The films ending just meshes better with the rest of the story, imo.

[Jeritron]

I too prefer the movie ending. On a thematic level, it works better. It's a stronger sacrifice for Dr. Manhattan, and it gives meaning to his return. In the book, he basically just returns for Silk Spectre after re-discovering the value of human life. But then he just leaves, because once again he has no reason to be on earth. His final trip away from earth carries little meaning aside from the fact that he now appreciates human life. You could argue that the only reason they have him return at all in the book, on a plot level, is to be there to kill Rorschach.

In the film version, all of that is kept intact, only now he leaves for a reason. To allow the life he now appreciates to continue on peacefully. It's a sacrifice, not a vacation.
Since he is a character who undergoes so much change, and is so complex, I think this new ending which revolves around him more, is far better.
Just my view.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

I still can not get over this movie. Loved it.

None of the characters were boring, IMO, and I chomped at the bit to see any scene with Rorschach, Manhattan, and most especially, Veidt.

Definitely gonna see this again.

[Jeritron]

The realization of these characters was the biggest strenght IMO. There were many strenghts, including the visuals, the structure and style, and the direction.
The character development and performances are what really made this movie come together though.

[Vastardikai]

I saw Watchmen today on IMAX (first time ever seeing an IMAX movie.) here's my thoughts:

*Holy shit are IMAX screens huge. And the sound is amazing. I wish I had seen the second run of the Dark Knight on IMAX, now.

*The trailer for the new Transformers movie is great. Too bad Shia Labouff is still in it.

*Character development was immense, like 'tron said. I was impressed with how and what made these people operate.

*I like Silhouette. Despite having only a small part in the movie, she was my favorite of the Minutemen. Anyone can guess why.

*Rorschach's mask is definitely gonna end up as a tattoo at some point. Probably the most awesome hero ever.

*Dr. Manhattan needs some pants on.

*Silk Spectre II is insanely hot. And yet she falls for the dorkiest guy of the bunch... Oh yeah, this is a comic book cliche more than anything else. Seriously though, she has a killer ass that I wanted to violate. And, kudos to the director for making the sex scene actually have context. 300 had just "What would a free man do," and then sex. I said to myself at the commencing "A FREE MAN WOULD FUCK!"

*It wasn't Saw gory. It was more like 300 gory. Brutal killings and stuff.

* The Comedian would so fuck the Punisher up.

* "Nobody wants a Cowboy in the Oval Office!" was perhaps the most subtle line ever.

*You know, between Watchmen and 300, I think the director is seriously trying to tell us that he's all for meaty cock. I mean, 300 had a bunch of dudes in red capes & speedos. I've watched wrestling for almost 20 years, so It's not the presence of dudes in red capes & speedos. The sheer multitude is what was a little over the top. Then of course, we got Cocktor Manhattan. It's one thing that he's running around butt naked. It's another thing that Rorschach or somebody else didn't just say "Dude, put some pants on." They were perfectly normal with him running around, blue dick flapping in the breeze.

[Jeritron]

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[Jeritron]

This was on a local station of mine. When I heard it, I nearly died.

[FearedSanctity]

But think about it. If you were in Manhattan's position, this all powerful being, would you honestly care? I'd be fucking blue ass naked too. Let my shit swang for the world to see

[Jeritron]

He was still him though. He had ties to the world. That's why he cared. The further his ties got from him, the less he cared.

As his the people originally in his life died, or left him, he drifted further away. When Spectre left him, he had nothing and he left Earth as he put it.
If it wasn't for these ties proving to be strong, and drawing him back in, he never would have returned.
The only thing that upset him was the cancer thing, which again, had to do with people in his life prior to becoming "inhuman"

[Jeritron]

wow I'm a nerd

[BigDaddyCool]

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What?

[BigDaddyCool]

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[loopydate]

I, too, loved the movie, but I thought it was odd that Snyder upped the violence of what was already a very violent book (Dreiberg breaking the guy's arm, Rorschach's Norman Bates impression, etc.) and took away some of my favorite character development stuff.

For example, I love the scene where the powers-that-be are trying to get Manhattan to wear a costume. Gives him a reason to burn the hydrogen atom symbol on his forehead and gives a bit of insight into "Why isn't he wearing pants?"

Also, the Veidt-as-villain thing was too obvious too early. The first time I read the book and Dan and Rorschach are in Adrian's office, and Dan finds out about Pyramid, I had to go back and re-read that panel to make sure I got it right. "Wait, it was ADRIAN?!?" Here, pretty much everybody could tell as soon as they saw him that he was the villain.

Also, why is everybody super strong? Part of the point of the book was that these are normal people (like someone said earlier), which makes Ozy catching the bullet that much more of a HOLY SHIT moment.

They also did nothing to set up the New Frontiersman. The ending with them going into the Crank File works better in the book because they've been established as the sort of right-wing conspiracy nuts that Rorschach would relate to, hence the only ones he trusts with his journal. Here, they just sort of appear.

Other than that, though, I thought the movie was fantastic. Great performances all around, and I actually liked the Dan/Laurie romance. The sex scene to Hallelujah was ridiculous, but I thought they really helped ground the movie. While everything else was going to hell, here were two people finally realizing what it means to be human.

Haley was fantastic as Rorschach. Pretty much exactly how I always heard it in my head while reading the book. I got goosebumps the first time I saw the trailer when they played the "And I'll whisper 'no.'" That feeling stuck with me throughout the film. He was just about pitch-perfect.

Bubastis also looked pretty bad-ass (although I wish they'd done more with her). And I loved loved loved the last scene between Rorschach and Manhattan. How fucked up is it that the only person willing to tell the truth at the end of all of this is the murderous sociopath whose "face" is never the same twice?

[Ogen]

Any decent quality torrents of this about? Not nearly interested enough to see it in the cinema but told its decent

[Blitz]

Every time I think of Rorschach's final scream of "DO IT", a chill goes up my spine. Fucking great.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Loved the book, really liked the film. I'm still divided about the new ending, but it wasn't terrible like I thought it might be. I think it's the best comic adaptation yet. The characters were spot on for the most part, and Snyder did a great job of bringing panels from the book alive on screen. The only real criticism I have is I think they took a lot of stuff away from Ozymandias, I think he came off as more of a straight villain in the film instead of a gray area villain like he was in the book. But, overall, I think it was pretty sweet.

I don't know, I really liked the way they handled Ozymandias. They didn't get too much time to explain him, but I'm sure the extended version on the DVD will do that. What said it all about the character was when Nite Owl attacked him, and he just took it and let Nite Owl take out all his frustrations on him.

I haven't actually red the comic, but the character seemed brilliant, too logical for his own good, and arrogant. If that's the way Ozymandias is meant to seem, taking it upon himself to do good for the whole world, when it really shouldn't be his responsibility, then I'd say the film did an effective job portraying the character.

[Mr. Nerfect]

But think about it. If you were in Manhattan's position, this all powerful being, would you honestly care? I'd be fucking blue ass naked too. Let my shit swang for the world to see

That's exactly it. I believe the idea behind the Doctor Manhattan character was to make the unrealistic idea of an entity such as Manhattan "realistic." He wouldn't just be a guy like Superman, but he'd see through concepts such a time and space. Things like pants would be the least of his concerns.

It made so many people feel weird, and I think that is actually quite a telling thing. It's really quite bizarre how awkward a blue CGI penis made people feel. I don't think people "got" Doctor Manhattan, and while I don't think that is the fault of the filmmakers, I believe they could have just used a throwaway line from one of the "normal" characters to put some fucking pants on, with a response from him explaining how stupid pants are.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I, too, loved the movie, but I thought it was odd that Snyder upped the violence of what was already a very violent book (Dreiberg breaking the guy's arm, Rorschach's Norman Bates impression, etc.) and took away some of my favorite character development stuff.

For example, I love the scene where the powers-that-be are trying to get Manhattan to wear a costume. Gives him a reason to burn the hydrogen atom symbol on his forehead and gives a bit of insight into "Why isn't he wearing pants?"

Also, the Veidt-as-villain thing was too obvious too early. The first time I read the book and Dan and Rorschach are in Adrian's office, and Dan finds out about Pyramid, I had to go back and re-read that panel to make sure I got it right. "Wait, it was ADRIAN?!?" Here, pretty much everybody could tell as soon as they saw him that he was the villain.

Also, why is everybody super strong? Part of the point of the book was that these are normal people (like someone said earlier), which makes Ozy catching the bullet that much more of a HOLY SHIT moment.

They also did nothing to set up the New Frontiersman. The ending with them going into the Crank File works better in the book because they've been established as the sort of right-wing conspiracy nuts that Rorschach would relate to, hence the only ones he trusts with his journal. Here, they just sort of appear.

Other than that, though, I thought the movie was fantastic. Great performances all around, and I actually liked the Dan/Laurie romance. The sex scene to Hallelujah was ridiculous, but I thought they really helped ground the movie. While everything else was going to hell, here were two people finally realizing what it means to be human.

Haley was fantastic as Rorschach. Pretty much exactly how I always heard it in my head while reading the book. I got goosebumps the first time I saw the trailer when they played the "And I'll whisper 'no.'" That feeling stuck with me throughout the film. He was just about pitch-perfect.

Bubastis also looked pretty bad-ass (although I wish they'd done more with her). And I loved loved loved the last scene between Rorschach and Manhattan. How fucked up is it that the only person willing to tell the truth at the end of all of this is the murderous sociopath whose "face" is never the same twice?

It'll be interesting to compare the experiences of a viewer who has not read the book with someone who has:

I liked the violence in the movie. Nite Owl breaking the arm of that guy was just sick, and got a reaction out of everyone. It was just very cool, and while a lot of the movie is deep in a medium most people do not accept as such, something like this really grounded the movie in the "cool" comic book sense. The heightened violence was a way for the movie to appeal on the most basic of levels, while the heightened concepts are gems for those who can appreciate the thematic material of the story.

Costume discussion with Doctor Manhattan would have been great. It would have been good for a laugh and eased the tension that a lot of people got from seeing a blue penis dangling in front of them. Truthfully, though, I did absorb those sort of things through the movie without it being explained. I could imagine exactly how the government would have tried to commercialise Dr. Manhattan. I think Snyder may have overestimated his audience, though.

Veidt as the villain was not so much obvious to me, and it surprised me when I did discover it, but I agree that something was missing that really added "oomph" to the reveal. I think an original story for Veidt would have been good. Something that also set him up as being stronger than the others, and the definite leader of the group. It seemed Nite Owl got all the attention, and I almost forgot that Ozymandias was part of the group.

It's probably pretty sad that when Veidt was revealed to be behind Pyramid, that I couldn't help but think of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. :-\

The super strength of the charatcers was weird, I'll agree with that. Snyder did contrast that by blatantly showing how mortal they actually were, but some of the fights scenes were ridiculous. Veidt catching the bullet did hold my attention, because of that one line about him bragging about being fast enough to do it. When it came to crunch time, though, he didn't seem sure he could, and it was interesting to see if he could achieve it. "Holy shit!" certainly wasn't the reaction I got, though. More of a "Hey, look, he can do it."

The New Frontiersmen obviously played a bigger part in the book? To get them, I think you must really need to read the story, but I just took them as any newspaper that were out of stories to print because the world is fucking perfect. Rorscharch was not an idiot, so he sent his journal to any newspaper because he knew they would be foaming at the mouth to print the story, and it'd dispute the "false truth" Veidt had created for the world, and restore things to the honest chaos they were. The New Frontiersmen were not the point to me when I saw that scene, but rather Rorscharch getting the last laugh.

The Dan/Laurie romance was pretty interesting. I really liked the way she just seemed to crave human affection after having sex with a radioactive men for all those years. I liked the insecurities Dan seemed to have in comparison to Doctor Manhattan and his blue lightsaber. I think those could have been played up more. The whole being impotent thing was a bit lost, and seemed more for comedy than to really flesh out Dan Dreiberg as a character.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I don't think it was that they had super strength, it was just more, they were highly trained and badass.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

That's exactly it. I believe the idea behind the Doctor Manhattan character was to make the unrealistic idea of an entity such as Manhattan "realistic." He wouldn't just be a guy like Superman, but he'd see through concepts such a time and space. Things like pants would be the least of his concerns.

It made so many people feel weird, and I think that is actually quite a telling thing. It's really quite bizarre how awkward a blue CGI penis made people feel. I don't think people "got" Doctor Manhattan, and while I don't think that is the fault of the filmmakers, I believe they could have just used a throwaway line from one of the "normal" characters to put some fucking pants on, with a response from him explaining how stupid pants are.

well when people complain about it to me I'm just like "well he's essentially a demi-god, so it's understandable", like look at him he was a perfect blue speciman. And yeah he transcends time and thought and essentially is his own world. Like he would give a fuck if his cock was waggling. I thought that was pretty clear in the movie I dunno how the dick was an issue to anyone.

[The Destroyer]

Thought it was pretty good - went into it with fairly low expectations after seeing a lot of bad reviews, but I was pleasantly surprised.

Frankly though, if anything, it needed more blue penis.

[Dave Youell]

I knew nothing of the book, but after reflection I can say one of the best films i've seen in a while.

loved it, really have to pay attention throughout it, but it's was very stylish and deep in places

[LuigiD]

I have been a fan of Moore for a few years.
I totally loved the adaptation. Like others, I agree it was stupid to take out Rorshach's origin. I loved the opening credits and the new ending was not as bad. Some of my friends and family who saw it liked it, even though they admitted it took time to catch on to what the movie was about. Most people had no idea of what was happening during the first 40 minutes.
I can't believe the blue penis is such a complaint? when I saw it the first time there was some teenagers sitting around going "eww!" every time Dr. Manhattan came around. I guess having taken so many art and science classes I am use to it by now.

[Ogen]

Any good torrents yet then?

[Wolfpack423]

I must admit I liked V for Vendetta

Besides the Dark Knight, it is my favorite movie. I thought V was very good. I didn't even look at it as a comic book movie. I did the same thing with Tom Jane's Punisher. It was a good movie and didn't seem like a comic book movie.

[Wolfpack423]

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3683/silkspectresmhj1.jpg

I want to be on her

who wouldn't? I think Malin Ackerman is hot as hell no doubt. She isn't the best actress in the world, but I like at least two movies she is in. Watchmen and The Heartbreak Kid.

[Wolfpack423]

Watchmen was a pretty good movie I thought. I never read the graphic novel. My brother has but he didn't tell me what happens. Rorshach is one of the best characters ever created. He is like Stone Cold Steve Austin in the way that he is a hero but is extremely rebellious and takes no shit from anybody. That's how I viewed his character. he is the leader in my opinion. Laurie was the other character I liked for certain reasons. She looke great in that outfit and she has a sexy face, always an important feauture for me. Nite Owl was my least favorite character. He's extremely nerdy and the guy that plays him I don't think is that good of an actor. It didn't seem like 2 hours and 40 minutes I agree with most people on that. The only gripe I had with the movie was a scene with the Comedian. I am not a fan of the Comedian personally. That scene where he beats Carla Gugino's characters is very disturbing. Beating women doesn't make you a man. It makes you look like a cowardly asshole, especially cause she didn't want to have sex with him was his reason to beat her. Sorry that scene just really bothered me.

[Dave Youell]

I am not a fan of the Comedian personally. That scene where he beats Carla Gugino's characters is very disturbing. Beating women doesn't make you a man. It makes you look like a cowardly asshole, especially cause she didn't want to have sex with him was his reason to beat her. Sorry that scene just really bothered me.


You know it was just a movie right, that didn't actually happen

Comedian for my money was my 2nd favourite thing in that whole movie

[Impeccable]

You know it was just a movie right, that didn't actually happen

Comedian for my money was my 2nd favourite thing in that whole movie

Your first being the repeated showings of big blue cock, right?

[Wolfpack423]

You know it was just a movie right, that didn't actually happen

Comedian for my money was my 2nd favourite thing in that whole movie

Yeah I realize he wasn't actually beating her, but when you're watching the movie he is meant to be beating her and it shows him beating her while you are watching the movie. It was disturbing to watch. That's what I am saying.

[Wolfpack423]

You know it was just a movie right, that didn't actually happen

Comedian for my money was my 2nd favourite thing in that whole movie

Yeah I realize he wasn't actually beating her, but when you're watching the movie he is meant to be beating her and it shows him beating her while you are watching the movie. It was disturbing to watch. That's what I am saying. The Comedian was a good character. That was just a disturbing scene. He had some great scenes no doubt. When I saw it the theater was packed and the whole audience was silent while the Comedian beat her.

[Jeritron]

That's what's supposed to happen. Motion picturers depict events and tap into emotions to tell a story.

[Dave Youell]

Your first being the repeated showings of big blue cock, right?

Of course

[Impeccable]

Of course

Glad it wasn't just me