Brock Lesnar's MMA Debut!

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Fighting Entertainment Group (K-1's parent company), Pro Elite, and Showtime yesterday made official the news that broke earlier this week on MMAWeekly.com. The trio scheduled a press conference for Tuesday, March 27 to announce “Softbank presents DYNAMITE!! USA in association with ProElite,” a major pay-per-view event at the massive Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum.

The press conference will introduce four of the key fighters for the event: MMA legend Royce Gracie, former WWE wrestler and NCAA national champion amateur wrestler Brock Lesnar, 7-foot-2-inch K-1 fighter Hong-Man Choi, and former NFL player Johnnie Morton.

It is believed, as reported here, that the pay-per-view event will take place under the K-1 Hero’s banner on June 2, 2007. It is also believed that the main event of the show will feature Brock Lesnar making his MMA debut against Hong-Man Choi.

This is Hong Man Choi for those that do not know an he is the K-1 World GP 2005 Champion. Lesnar will have his hands full, I think he will get his ass handed to him!

What do you all think???

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[Theo Dious]

*insert Brock Lesnar "kill people on the internet" comment here*

[Big Vic]

They're making him fight a former champ first? they should give him a jobber opponent first to build hype around him.

[Theo Dious]

Brock Lesnar doesn't fight jobber opponents. He's a draw, dammit. :shifty:

[Kane Knight]

They're making him fight a former champ first? they should give him a jobber opponent first to build hype around him.

If they did, he'd probably quit. Remember the NFL? He wouldn't play for anything other than the NFL, so when he was cut, he just gave up.

[Theo Dious]

You know what's needed right now? That pic of Brock eating all those cheeseburgers.

[Stickman]

Hong-Man Choi is not impressive. He won the GP due to size.

[leno40]

It's a stretch to really call Choi a "champion" in anything more than name. You have to understand K-1 Hero's is notorious for these freak fights that have no appeal to actual MMA fans (at least no American MMA fans, the Japanese love their freaks though) but draw because of the pure spectacle. If you want to compare it to wrestling, it's comparable to McMahon's preference to push giants with no wrestling ability over the guys that can actually put on a match. I don't know how many of you remember Giant Silva from the WWE, but he also "fights" for Hero's.

Can Lesnar win? If he can take him to the ground and use his wrestling ability to hold him there for 3 rounds, yea. There's just no way to tell how he'll transition to MMA. But Choi's biggest claim to fame is beating up a sumo wrestler and Bob Sapp, so who knows.

[SammyG]

I'm pretty intrigued by how he does. It should be fun to watch.

[KingofOldSchool]

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:rofl:

[Corkscrewed]

^ I was just about to say... it looks like he's got a second left arm trying to grow out of his side!

[KingofOldSchool]

It looks like he has another person inside him and the person's trying to elbow his way out of there.

[Xero]

*insert Brock Lesnar "kill people on the internet" comment here*

[Kane Knight]

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:rofl:

Jesus Christ! He hit him so hard his brain entered his rib cage at mach 2!

[Fignuts]

I don't know why people are saying things like "ZOMG HES GONNA GET HIS ASS KICKEDS 1111!!!"

If anything he is fr more likely to be successful.

First off he's a former NCAA wrestling champ ffs. Secondly, he's built like a tank. Akin to Kazuyuki Fujita, who has never truly been knocked out. I'd bet even if he does have trouble getting someone one on the ground at first(which is doubtful) he'll be able to handle a lot of punishment till he does. And then there is the fact that he is being trained by Royce fucking Gracie. So once he gets the guy on the ground, he will know how to end it.

[The One]

I hope Lesnar is crippled after this match, and the horrific story that has been the Lesnar Story will end with years and years worth of chapters on how he is orced to sit in a chaqir and surf the internet til the end of time.

[Fignuts]

I hope he f-5s someone

[Destor]

(I'm DEAD serious,) I'll bet $50 on Lesnar. WHO TAKES MY BET?

[Kane Knight]

Lesnar's got Gracie in his corner. Even if he was an 80 year old cripple, that alone should give him some credibility.

In short, I agree with Fagnuts.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Lesnar could very realistically destroy this guy.

[Shaggy]

I would love to see Lesnar get his ass knocked out with in the first minute....

[The Show Off]

Lesner has a legitimate chance at becoming a great (yes I said great) mixed martial artist. First and foremost the guy is an absolute freak of nature, he's a 285 pound guy that had probably a three feet vertical leap, he quick on his feet, flexable, and can legitimatly hold a 500 pound man in a fireman's carry, with ease no less. Second of by looking at his build, and the fact that he was a WWE wrestler, and an NCAA all-american you can tell that he is a gym rat that has no trouble working on his cardio and strength conditioning. And finally, and most importantly, he was an NCAA all-american which tells you right their that he is a phenomanal grappler. You puty all three of those things together and you have the potential for a great MMA fighter.

When you look at guys like Josh Koscheck, Josh Barnett, Randy Coture, Matt Hughes, Rashad Evans, and Tito Ortiz, you are seeing people that all started out their careers as mere wrestlers. All of them simply being wrestlers was enough for them to have early success in the world of MMA. Brock Lesner is a better pure wrestler then more then half of those names above, and that's saying something because all of those guys are the cream of the crop in MMA. All Lesner has to do is work on his weaknesses and he really could be great mixed martial artist.

The real key for his is to know that he is a great wrestler but realize that he as to be well rounded. The fact that he is working with Royce Gracie is a good sign that he is taking his Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu seriousl, the Gracie's look at Jiu-Jitsu as a religon, and if Lesner buys into that he could really benifit. If nothing else he'll at least know how to avoid submission attempts. The reall problem is going to happen when it comes to his hands and feet. He'll certianly have to improve his stand up if he wants to survive long enough to secure a take down. Then there is also the problem as to whether he can take a munch or not, which is something that you just have to wait and see.

If Lesner is really serious about being a guy to be reckoned with in MMA he really could do some damage. But the MMA landscape is littered with bodies of guys that were only one-dimensional, unfortunatly for Lesner one of those bodies is the guy that is training him Royce Gracie. However, that doesn't mean Brock is doomed to the same fate.

[Fignuts]

Yeah his stand up will definitly be his weakness from the start, but even then, I think a clean shot from a guy like Lesnar is like a freight train.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Plus I think Lesnar probably has the chin of a god. After that botched shooting star not knocking him out, I see it being very hard to knock him out period. Hughes has been singing his praises already. Brock is going to be very, very good... very, very quickly.

[The Show Off]

Plus I think Lesnar probably has the chin of a god. After that botched shooting star not knocking him out, I see it being very hard to knock him out period. Hughes has been singing his praises already. Brock is going to be very, very good... very, very quickly.

I would tend to agree with you, it's just you never can tell until the guy is in a reall fight. That and compressing your neck is diffrent then a shot to the jaw.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Oh brother, I know. I've done MMA for 12 years now, but Brock is one of the few I genuinely think could take a great punch.

[Volare]

Let's say he does good and impresses....You think he'd ever get a shot in UFC?? (you know all they want is someone else to push and hype their company)

[Volare]

Here's a Vid I found on him...looks ok...but if he let's this dude nail him, I wonder what Lesnar would do to him
(yeah it's in Japanese...but what can ya do?)

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[Reavant]

Lesnar will beat this guy. No question. However I do not know if he will be that great as a MMA fighter. First off, although he did win the national championship in college at hwt(285) he did so at the weakest weight class that year. He won it the year after one of the best Heavyweights in the national scene right now graduated. He lost a couple matches the year he won the title and had matches that were way too close for a man that is as athletic and strong as he is. He was terrible on his feet and didnt have any turns when he wrestled in NCAA. He has been working out with the current 2x national champ at 285 from minnesota Cole Konrad and he gets his ass handed to him. Cole is athletic but if you look at him and look at Lesnar you would think that Lesnar would whoop him. He simply doesnt have good grappling skills... he didnt get it in college and I dont think he will in MMA.

Its a little unfair to lump him in a group with guys like Matt hughes because even though he didnt win the title in college he was good enough to. for example beat Joe williams one year who was a three time national champ and one of the best collegate wrestlers to ever wrestle.

[leno40]

Let's say he does good and impresses....You think he'd ever get a shot in UFC?? (you know all they want is someone else to push and hype their company)

He'd never make the 265 cut for HW.

Lesnar is a physical freak and has incredible natural strength, agility, and quickness for his size, but that's only going to take him so far. He was a pro wrestler, and decided he wanted to "follow his dream" and play in the NFL. When he couldn't make an NFL team right off the bat, he gave it up and went back to wrestling in Japan. He walked out of that an is now trying to make an MMA career. You have to question how much the guy really wants to do this.

No one really knows how he's going to perform because no one knows how he's going to handle getting hit or what actual skill besides grappling he's going to bring in the ring. If you look at the world's top fighters, very seldom are they the biggest guys with the best bench press. They're either well rounded, or they have one skill they do extremely well (GnP, subs, striking). Against the likes of Hong Man Choi, I don't know how much "skill" we'll actually see--if Lesnar wins, it may come via holding him down and dry humping him from guard for three rounds. That's the classic formula for victory for unrefined wrestlers.

[Reavant]

he could easily make the 265 cut

[leno40]

How do you figure? He wrestled 20 pounds above 265 in college and was significantly larger that that in the WWE, where he was close to 300. Unless he's dropped significant muscle mass (which wouldn't be a bad thing) there's no way he makes 265.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

He'd never make the 265 cut for HW.


Brock is a wrestler's wrestler, therefore he can cut weight. 265 is nothing.

[leno40]

Brock is a wrestler's wrestler, therefore he can cut weight. 265 is nothing.

Uh huh. You understand how much more difficult it is to cut a lot weight when it's that much solid muscle. The only way he'd ever make 265 is if he was walking around at ~280 at the most, and he hasn't been that small since before college. It's virtually impossible for him to make 265 with his current build.

If you think he's going to cut 35 pounds for every fight, you're insane.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Uh huh. You understand how much more difficult it is to cut a lot weight when it's that much solid muscle. The only way he'd ever make 265 is if he was walking around at ~280 at the most, and he hasn't been that small since before college. It's virtually impossible for him to make 265 with his current build.

If you think he's going to cut 35 pounds for every fight, you're insane.

I know how it is, and Brock hasn't been solid muscle since he left WWE.

[Reavant]

Uh huh. You understand how much more difficult it is to cut a lot weight when it's that much solid muscle. The only way he'd ever make 265 is if he was walking around at ~280 at the most, and he hasn't been that small since before college. It's virtually impossible for him to make 265 with his current build.

If you think he's going to cut 35 pounds for every fight, you're insane.
I take it you have never wrestled or cut weight ever in your life.... which is fine but u have an uneducated opinion about it.... if its so hard then how come average 125 lb wrestlers cut from 140-145 weekly in some cases to make 125. thats 20 lbs for a 125 lber....... Brock weighs 285... bloated no less eating whatever he wants.... being big coinsides with being able to drop weight... the bigger you are the easier it is.... Oh and yes I do understand how difficult it is to cut weight when you supposedly "dont have it"... Im a college wrestler......... its not whether u have it its if ur diciplined enough to do it. Therfore he could easily make 265.

[Reavant]

How do you figure? He wrestled 20 pounds above 265 in college and was significantly larger that that in the WWE, where he was close to 300. Unless he's dropped significant muscle mass (which wouldn't be a bad thing) there's no way he makes 265.

Just because his weight class says 285 doesnt mean he weighed 285.... the weight class goes from 197-285... case in point 3 years ago the national champ at 285 only weighed 220-30

[leno40]

I take it you have never wrestled or cut weight ever in your life.... which is fine but u have an uneducated opinion about it.... if its so hard then how come average 125 lb wrestlers cut from 140-145 weekly in some cases to make 125. thats 20 lbs for a 125 lber....... Brock weighs 285... bloated no less eating whatever he wants.... being big coinsides with being able to drop weight... the bigger you are the easier it is.... Oh and yes I do understand how difficult it is to cut weight when you supposedly "dont have it"... Im a college wrestler......... its not whether u have it its if ur diciplined enough to do it. Therfore he could easily make 265.

Have you ever watched any MMA, ever? Ever trained in it? Talked to a fighter? Seen more than a minute of TUF flipping by on tv?

"Well its easier to cut 35 pounds when you're 300 than when you're 150." Duh. And it's also significantly harder when there's no or very little fat to cut.

Fighters walk around ~15 pounds over their fighting weight, give or take 5 pounds depending on the fighter. If Brock's walking around in the 280 range, he can make 265. If he's walking around at 295, there's no chance in hell without losing muscle mass.

[Reavant]

Have you ever watched any MMA, ever? Ever trained in it? Talked to a fighter? Seen more than a minute of TUF flipping by on tv?

"Well its easier to cut 35 pounds when you're 300 than when you're 150." Duh. And it's also significantly harder when there's no or very little fat to cut.

Fighters walk around ~15 pounds over their fighting weight, give or take 5 pounds depending on the fighter. If Brock's walking around in the 280 range, he can make 265. If he's walking around at 295, there's no chance in hell without losing muscle mass.
:mad: :mad: :mad: ............. To ur questions.... yes, yes, yes, and yes..... Ive trained with andrei arlovski and he actually walks around at 265... and all the fighters are different and not all of them walk around at just 15 over.... all you have to do is make one weigh in... the weigh in is a day or two b4 the fight... not the day of the fight and even if they were it doesnt matter because getting down to weight is just water weight anyways and its easy for a 300 lber to drop lots and lots of water if need be. once you replenish ur fluids ur fine and youve lost no strength. (as long as your trainging ur body properly)

Have you ever cut hard weight before? Have you ever done a sport like mma or wrestling? Have you ever trained for anything that intense? Have you ever exerted yourself that hard in any part of your life?

I dont understand why you are arguing this at all... you have obviously zero knowledge on this subject and you sound like a complete dumbass.

[Kane Knight]

You both sound like complete dumbasses. Calling the other guy a complete dumbass just makes one of you seem even dumber.

[Destor]

Reavant knows.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think Lesnar could beat this guy, but I don't know how he will truly do when he steps in with bigger names, and knowing Lesnar he will push himself to do that quickly.

As has been previously mentioned, Lesnar may not be used to getting legitimately hit. Hopefully Royce Gracie has slapped him a few to get his mind ready. Lesnar has a lot of size to help him when he gets a guy down, but I think his striking may be a weakness. Lesnar's size is probably the best thing he has going for him. He just needs to get guys down, but as previously stated, smaller men have gone hold-for-hold with Lesnar.

It wouldn't surprise me if Brock Lesnar found himself pretty embarrassed at one stage in his MMA career.

[Reavant]

yea when he goes against someone thats strong enough to not be pushed around by him and has solid technique and mechanics hes gonna be screwed

[leno40]

:mad: :mad: :mad: ............. To ur questions.... yes, yes, yes, and yes..... Ive trained with andrei arlovski and he actually walks around at 265... and all the fighters are different and not all of them walk around at just 15 over.... all you have to do is make one weigh in... the weigh in is a day or two b4 the fight... not the day of the fight and even if they were it doesnt matter because getting down to weight is just water weight anyways and its easy for a 300 lber to drop lots and lots of water if need be. once you replenish ur fluids ur fine and youve lost no strength. (as long as your trainging ur body properly)

Have you ever cut hard weight before? Have you ever done a sport like mma or wrestling? Have you ever trained for anything that intense? Have you ever exerted yourself that hard in any part of your life?

I dont understand why you are arguing this at all... you have obviously zero knowledge on this subject and you sound like a complete dumbass.

No fighter is cutting 35 pounds for every fight, let alone 35 pounds of water weight. NONE. Zero. Zilch. Nada. End of discussion. It does not happen except in your imagination. If he's walking around at 280, he can make 265. If he's walking around at 300, he's not. That's the long and short of it. There's no arguing that. Not that it matters to begin with because he's currently a SHW in K-1 with zero professional fights, and there's little chance he'll ever appear in the UFC.

[Reavant]

if hes training like he should be then he'll have his weight under control.... Since your imperveous to logic how about I do this for you.... trust me that he can easily make it?

[Reavant]

and what fighters do u know?.... watching spike tv doesnt exactly make u an expert.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

No fighter is cutting 35 pounds for every fight, let alone 35 pounds of water weight. NONE. Zero. Zilch. Nada. End of discussion. It does not happen except in your imagination. If he's walking around at 280, he can make 265. If he's walking around at 300, he's not. That's the long and short of it. There's no arguing that. Not that it matters to begin with because he's currently a SHW in K-1 with zero professional fights, and there's little chance he'll ever appear in the UFC.

I've done MMA for 12 years and wrestled for 4 exclusively before that, you can cut 35 lbs 5 times a year easy, which is pretty much how many times that weight class is the focus of the show. You can dispute it all you but frankly I've been there, and trained with guys who do it.

[Reavant]

EXACTLY!.... in fact I know 125 lbers on my team that cut close to that weekly during season