So... Scripted MMA Promotion?

[Xero]

How far off do you think we are from a scripted MMA promotion? I'm talking pro wrestling-style scripted. And who will promote it?

Let's face it, it's going to happen, and it will probably be promoted by someone either in or who used to be involved with pro wrestling.

[Funky Fly]

It will happen and fail. No one will enjoy it.

[IC Champion]

Xtreme Fighting League

[James Steele]

UFC

[Reavant]

if shane-o-mac takes over thats what wwe will be

[FourFifty]

if shane-o-mac takes over thats what wwe will be

Well it's a good thing Vince has another son.

[The One]

...uh...so you mean just a pro wrestling company with shoot style wrestlers. We got that, the main event scene of RoH.

It will happen and fail. No one will enjoy it.

Yeah to the first sentance, but apparent some losers over the internet will disagree with the second.

[James Steele]

*rimshot*

[Fignuts]

There have been a couple promotions like that in japan over the years.

[Xero]

...uh...so you mean just a pro wrestling company with shoot style wrestlers. We got that, the main event scene of RoH.
No, I meant something more like UFC.

[IC Champion]

Well it's a good thing Vince has another son.
LOL

[Fignuts]

No, I meant something more like UFC.


Battlearts, and uwf-i

Dunno if pancrase is scripted or not, but I wanna say no.

[311]

Well, considering it's sort of how the wrestling business was born...

Legit fights, then promoters found out they could make more money fixing the outcomes...

Who knows?

Personally, I don't give a damn about it either way. :y:

[Mercury Bullet]

Isn't UFC fixed now?

Look at the Iceman.

:shifty:

[St. Jimmy]

UFC

Damn you, I wanted to say it.

[Mercury Bullet]

Seriously, look at the relationship between Dana/Chuck...

Just like Vince/Trips or Vince/Cena. Chuck is Dana's boy and basically he is getting 'put over' as the face of UFC. And look at Dana White's 'fued' with Tito Ortiz. It mirrors professional wrestling.

[James Steele]

UFC is scripted to an extent. It is fucking obvious. Why the hell are these new guys getting title shots without 1 or 2 matches in the UFC? I thought UFC was the best of the MMA world, but since they whipped ass in K1 or Pride, they get a free ticket to the title?

Hmmm...sounds like Hulk Hogan coming to WCW.

[Jeritron]

Well since UFC is a mainly athletic promotion, at least at this point to our knowledge, it's not like Wrestling at all. So comparing challengers coming in and being considered on par with top talent isn't in any way analagous to, say, Hulk Hogan coming into WCW.

First of all, wrestling is a different industry and it has things like paying dues, earning respect and trust, bankability, and recieving a push based on predetermined events.

A fighter coming into UFC and being thought to be a major player due to achievments in other leagues, and being "pushed" accordinly is not the same thing at all.
For example, the Red Sox signing Dice K from Japan for big money and immediately putting him in their rotation. Are you gonna sit here and compare that to Hulk Hogan in WCW?
Or even a player being traded to another team, and being place in the cleanup role in the lineup because he's established talent. Is that the same thing?

[James Steele]

Baseball isn't a legit sport anymore. They are all illegal immigrants or steroid pumping freaks.

[James Steele]

Seriously, baseball is a different animal because the MLB is the only "major leagues" in baseball. UFC isn't the only "major league" MMA promotion. Its all money, power, and sucking that asshole Dana White's cock.

[McLegend]

Jeritron post made no sense what so ever.

And btw who is the fighter from K-1 or Pride who hasn't fought in the UFC who got a title shot?

[Mercury Bullet]

And don't get me wrong, I like UFC and MMA and all but if you follow it long enough you'll see people getting 'pushed' just like in wrestling. You'll see people peing 'put over' in interviews, etc. You see storylines and hype surrounding the important matches. Is this necessarily wrong or bad, I don't think so. But, it really isn't all that different than professional wrestling at the heart of it.

[Stickman]

The hyping of it is already here, it'll never get to the point of scripted fights.

[.44 Magdalene]

Scripted? Of course not.



Pre-determined? You'd never know the difference.

[Road Warrior]

It could never be scripted or pre determined unless you wanna see fights with absoultley no striking and fighters with no submission D. That being said there was a couple of worked fights in Japan, namely all of Takada's victories are known worked fights and looked exactly as I suggested they would look if they were scripted now. MMA will never and I say never be scripted, because for one winning in MMA,unlike wrestling means something and fights being scripted would go over about as well as wrestling is now.

[Destor]

It could never be scripted or pre determined unless you wanna see fights with absoultley no striking and fighters with no submission D. That being said there was a couple of worked fights in Japan, namely all of Takada's victories are known worked fights and looked exactly as I suggested they would look if they were scripted now. MMA will never and I say never be scripted, because for one winning in MMA,unlike wrestling means something and fights being scripted would go over about as well as wrestling is now.That's like saying no one out there is taking dives right now. That's a joke.

[Road Warrior]

That's like saying no one out there is taking dives right now. That's a joke.
Do you know for a fact that there's fighters taking dives ? What reason would a fighter have to take a dive ? If it was even suggested to a fighter to take a dive it would ruin all credibility for that organazation.

[Road Warrior]

It's not the same as wrestling. There's not alot of politicing backstage, the most exciting fighters who win their fights get opportunities, there's no "pushes" and fighters getting "burried". I realize you think it's kind of the same, but that shows how much you acctually know about MMA.

[Destor]

Do you know for a fact that there's fighters taking dives ? What reason would a fighter have to take a dive ? If it was even suggested to a fighter to take a dive it would ruin all credibility for that organazation.Of course there are fighter taking dives, only retards would think other wise.

[Destor]

It's not the same as wrestling. There's not alot of politicing backstage, the most exciting fighters who win their fights get opportunities, there's no "pushes" and fighters getting "burried". I realize you think it's kind of the same, but that shows how much you acctually know about MMA.Wait, there's no pushes? Great fighters dont get fed weak opponents just so they can look good shill out more merch, that never happens? I think you might want to take the beer goggles off. They market guys just like any other company does. Boxing, wrestling, MMA, they all do it.

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[Road Warrior]

Of course there are fighter taking dives, only retards would think other wise.
Well go ahead, name some

[Destor]

Well go ahead, name someYou do know that if a dive is done right you'd never realize it was a dive right?

[Road Warrior]

Wait, there's no pushes? Great fighters dont get fed weak opponents just so they can look good shill out more merch, that never happens? I think you might want to take the beer goggles off. They market guys just like any other company does. Boxing, wrestling, MMA, they all do it.

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Sure they market guys, but they market guys who are the best fighters. Weaker fighters are'nt asked to "lay down" for a better fighter. What makes MMA exciting is knowing that a weaker fighter can beat a better fighter on any given day.

[Destor]

Sure they market guys, but they market guys who are the best fighters. Weaker fighters are'nt asked to "lay down" for a better fighter. What makes MMA exciting is knowing that a weaker fighter can beat a better fighter on any given day.

Just like boxing. Point is people are getting pushed, and some are getting fed as jobbers, despite their ability to pull an upset. There ARE politics. Open up your eyes.

And Dana isn't afraid to market people he likes as a golden god. (Rich Franklin.)

[Road Warrior]

You do know that if a dive is done right you'd never realize it was a dive right?
Of course you would, if you are'nt just the casual fan and you know what to look for. They can't script it so a guy knocks another one out, there's too much of a chance that the other guy could get ko'd instead. If you wanted to make it an exciting fight both guys would have to get hit.

[Destor]

ROFL, causal fan. I have never been in a fight, so I obvviously can't relate right? I don't watch hours and hours of UFC so I dont know what to look for, right? I have no formal training so I dont know what to look for right? Wait. All that was bs, I've been in plenty of fights, I watch MMA constantly, and I have YEARS of formal training. Oh. And people who cant say that still no whats up. you're just nieve.

And all that shit you just said APPLIES TO BOXING AS WELL. PEOPLE TAKE DIVES IN BOXING ALL THE DAMN TIME AND FOR THE MOST PART NO ONE EVER NOTICES.

[Road Warrior]

Just like boxing. Point is people are getting pushed, and some are getting fed as jobbers, despite their ability to pull an upset. There ARE politics. Open up your eyes.

And Dana isn't afraid to market people he likes as a golden god. (Rich Franklin.)
Rich Fanklin was a good fighter before he got "pushed" look at his record and the opponets he beat. Sure, after he won the belt he was more marketable, because he was the champion and he was american. BTW no one is getting fed as jobbers, as a fighter you think you can beat anyone, even if you can't, being the fact that I am a MMA fighter, I think I can beat anyone I step in with, even if maybe I can't.

[Jordan]

Yeah they can have the opprotunity to beat a credible fighter, a main event fighter, but its unlikley thats why the feed them to the big boys. Dana White is trying to be a legit Vince McMahon, and it works to some extent but UFC won't draw like WWE does ever, because it is pit fighting, nothing more. Boxers take dives, baseball players, football players, in any sport it happens and more often than not we never have a clue. Dana wants to be as famous as McMahon, his feud with Tito is/was pathetic, absolutley lame. UFC is my favorite fight promotion by far but I am getting sick of all the bullshit they are adding.

[Destor]

Rich Fanklin was a good fighter before he got "pushed" look at his record and the opponets he beat. Sure, after he won the belt he was more marketable, because he was the champion and he was american. BTW no one is getting fed as jobbers, as a fighter you think you can beat anyone, even if you can't, being the fact that I am a MMA fighter, I think I can beat anyone I step in with, even if maybe I can't.People get fed average fighters all the time, as enhancement matches. Ar eyou kidding yourslef or just blind?

[Jordan]

Rich Fanklin was a good fighter before he got "pushed" look at his record and the opponets he beat. Sure, after he won the belt he was more marketable, because he was the champion and he was american. BTW no one is getting fed as jobbers, as a fighter you think you can beat anyone, even if you can't, being the fact that I am a MMA fighter, I think I can beat anyone I step in with, even if maybe I can't.

Where do you fight?

[Road Warrior]

ROFL, causal fan. I have never been in a fight, so I obvviously can't relate right? I don't watch hours and hours of UFC so I dont know what to look for, right? I have no formal training so I dont know what to look for right? Wait. All that was bs, I've been in plenty of fights, I watch MMA constantly, and I have YEARS of formal training. Oh. And people who cant say that still no whats up. you're just nieve.

And all that shit you just said APPLIES TO BOXING AS WELL. PEOPLE TAKE DIVES IN BOXING ALL THE DAMN TIME AND FOR THE MOST PART NO ONE EVER NOTICES.
People do take dives in boxing, why do you think boxing has lost all credability? Boxers who have taken dives have also came out and talked about it, you think UFC want's that to happen, espically now, that would completly KILL MMA as a legimates sport.

[Destor]

Yeah they can have the opprotunity to beat a credible fighter, a main event fighter, but its unlikley thats why the feed them to the big boys. Dana White is trying to be a legit Vince McMahon, and it works to some extent but UFC won't draw like WWE does ever, because it is pit fighting, nothing more. Boxers take dives, baseball players, football players, in any sport it happens and more often than not we never have a clue. Dana wants to be as famous as McMahon, his feud with Tito is/was pathetic, absolutley lame. UFC is my favorite fight promotion by far but I am getting sick of all the bullshit they are adding.Thank you.

[Road Warrior]

Where do you fight?
Global Cage Combat

[Destor]

People do take dives in boxing, why do you think boxing has lost all credability? Boxers who have taken dives have also came out and talked about it, you think UFC want's that to happen, espically now, that would completly KILL MMA as a legimates sport."UFC" doesn't have that much to say about who takes dives when. Dives usually come from external pressure from people with serious power trying to make moeny gambling. The bigger the UFC and MMA get the more often this will happen. Period. It's unadvoidable.

And the only boxers talking about taking dives are the ones who sucked at falling down. Those guys should have got some pro-wrestling training, learn how to bump. Then they're in the hunt.

[Destor]

ROFL at the idea of training to take a dive.

[Stickman]

So Destor, please tell me which fights were fixed in the UFC. You said that after all the hours of fights you've watched you know what to look for. So enlightlen us on who laid down for who. And if you can, post youtube footage.

[Destor]

You fucking idiot. Try some basic reading comprehension.

[Destor]

How many times have I sadi that if it's done right no one will ever know?

[Destor]

Like 4?

[Mercury Bullet]

An example of a push RIGHT now in boxing = Paul Williams. If you know boxing, watch this guys fights. He's mediocre AT BEST, yet he's like 30-0 or something like that and being fed TONS of bums to hype him as the next great fighter. But WATCH his fights, he beats this bums but can't every dominate or soundly beat any of them. He struggles against opponents that should be showcase fights.

[.44 Magdalene]

Yeah, I'm under the impression that no one here is saying MMA is currently being rigged. The fact of the matter is that UFC fighters could take a dive just as easily as a boxer could, and you'd have no fucking idea. Boxers were taking dives an outrageously long time before anybody came out and talked about it...and since UFC and other MMA organizations are just now getting out into the big time and the spotlight with public cable series' and shit, any fixed fights would be falling well under the radar. Yeah, boxing lost all credibility from fixed fights...but UFC has only in the past year plus built any credibility to speak of, let alone had time to ruin it.

The idea that fixed fights would be impossible in UFC because "ZOMG IT'S MMA" is outrageous. I've heard of karate tournaments being fixed. Again, boxing is fixed all the time. UFC isn't magically immune to the effects of the almighty dollar just because they're some sort of alternative. For all the shit that's different, there's a damn lot of things that are exactly the same. It's still a corporation putting on fights for television, and it's been time tested that fights aren't hard to slap a pre-determined end to.

Alot of people have already pointed out how certain fighters are "booked," and certain lesser fighters are "jobbed out" to obviously superior veterans. I won't further display my lack of knowledge about MMA by adding more evidence to the fire--just point out a 90% scripted MMA promotion wouldn't really be all that hard to pull off, and might actually get away with it for a few years. You just have to feed a few more lines, touch the drama a bit more, and fix all the fights with less obvious outcomes. It might not last long, but I think alot of people would be surprised by just how long it could last.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Battlearts, and uwf-i

Dunno if pancrase is scripted or not, but I wanna say no.

Would RINGS count too? Dunno, never have researched them properly

[McLegend]

It's much tougher to take a dive today then it was way back when.

Now you have the internet and thousands upon thousands of people looking at these matches with like a fine tooth comb. So I would say people would still be able to catch dive quicker now then they could at one time.

Now sure fights have been fixed before and I'm sure some promotion do. K-1 bascially just did it a few months ago, but I don't UFC would be doing it right now. The risk is to great.

[Stickman]

It'd be too easy to spot.