Screw the Kliq, The Harts Rule All

[Loose Cannon]

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/h/hartfoundation/05.jpg

Look at the Gold Bitches.

[BigDaddyCool]

Yeah, look at all 3 belts...for 5 people.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Don't overlook the Spammy Awards either, biznatch.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

And 2 Slammys.

Seriously though, Pillman > Bret Hart.

[KingofOldSchool]

You want to see gold?

Here's your gold.

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/f/fourhorsemen/24.jpg

[Anybody Thrilla]

I'LL SHOW YOU GOLD!!!

http://www.wrestlingworld.it/Historical/Tagteamgallery/conquistadorsjoseestradasrjoselouisrivera.jpg

[BigDaddyCool]

Yeah, what the hell were the Slammies?

Don't get me wrong, I like Owen. And the rest I'm fairly neutral on. I only hate Bret...and Benoit (though not techically a Hart).

[Anybody Thrilla]

What's there to hate about Bret that isn't post-career?

[BigDaddyCool]

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/h/hartfoundation/05.jpg

Look at the Gold Bitches.

Also, it is sad to think 3 of those men are dead, one was crippled by someone I hate more than Bret Hart, and one is "The Anvil."

[What Would Kevin Do?]

You want to see gold?

Here's your gold.



http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/u/ultimodragon/19.jpg

[Theo Dious]

This is lovely, TPWW is being split into Kliq lovers and Hart <s>salad tossers</s> <s>cock suckers</s> lovers.

[BigDaddyCool]

What's there to hate about Bret that isn't post-career?

He is still a whiny grudge holding ass.

[Theo Dious]

Also, it is sad to think 3 of those men are dead, one was crippled by someone I hate more than Bret Hart, and one is "The Anvil."

That is pretty damn sad.

[Theo Dious]

What's there to hate about Bret that isn't post-career?

He's from Canada.

[Loose Cannon]

TPWW Hart Foundation

LC
AT
Funky
Zen
??

[Theo Dious]

You want to see gold?

Here's your gold.

http://www.takerslair.com/reference/images/goldust2.jpg

[BigDaddyCool]

He's <S>from</s> Canada.

[KingofOldSchool]

Fuck the Harts, Fuck the Kliq, The Horsemen is where it's at.

[FourFifty]

<img src=http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e280/Always450/13.jpg>

[FourFifty]

There should be a stickyed "Fanboy Wars" thread.

[Anybody Thrilla]

He is still a whiny grudge holding ass.

I said that isn't post-career. The man has every reason to be bitter right about now, and while I don't necessarily agree with the way he's dealing with things, I really couldn't imagine being in his shoes.

While he was active, he was one of the very best and never tried to fuck anybody over. He always showed up to work, never hurt anybody, and did exactly what he was told (barring the Shawn Michaels incident, which he was STILL willing to compromise, just worked out a little differently).

He's done pretty much no harm to the wrestling community and before his life turned into a shit cyclone, he seemed like a pretty stand up guy. What's so bad that people in this thread think that Bret Hart fans are "cocksuckers"? Don't you think that's a bit of a stretch?

[Theo Dious]

What's so bad that people in this thread think that Bret Hart fans are "cocksuckers"? Don't you think that's a bit of a stretch?

Hey, I struck that out!!! :shifty:

[Anybody Thrilla]

I ,too, was saying 'boo-urns'. :roll:

[The One]

TPWW Hart Foundation

LC
AT
Funky
Zen
??

I feel a stable war coming on.

[Theo Dious]

At least I didn't choose to go with "salad tossers."

[Loose Cannon]

nice "leg injury" HBK :roll:

[The One]

But you Hart fellows don't have a cool sig with poorly edited faces cropped over your guys. :p

[Anybody Thrilla]

Thank god for that.

[Loose Cannon]

oh we will.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Are any of the Hart haters going to at least dignify me with a response? I'm not trying to get caught up in a faggot little stable war. I just want to hear the other side of it. I feel like there's something I'm not aware of.

[SammyG]

new new new newwww wwoorld orrder

[BigDaddyCool]

I said that isn't post-career. The man has every reason to be bitter right about now, and while I don't necessarily agree with the way he's dealing with things, I really couldn't imagine being in his shoes.

While he was active, he was one of the very best and never tried to fuck anybody over. He always showed up to work, never hurt anybody, and did exactly what he was told (barring the Shawn Michaels incident, which he was STILL willing to compromise, just worked out a little differently).

He's done pretty much no harm to the wrestling community and before his life turned into a shit cyclone, he seemed like a pretty stand up guy. What's so bad that people in this thread think that Bret Hart fans are "cocksuckers"? Don't you think that's a bit of a stretch?

Promising to drop the title after you leave the company is a completely fair compromise. Vince really had nothing to worry about with Bret showing up on WCW television with the WWF Title around his waist. Everyone other person that showed up on WCW television with a WWF title carried the title with respect. :wtf:

[KingofOldSchool]

*sits back a lets the other stable fanboys argue themselves to death*

WOOOOO

[The One]

Are any of the Hart haters going to at least dignify me with a response? I'm not trying to get caught up in a faggot little stable war. I just want to hear the other side of it. I feel like there's something I'm not aware of.

A response to what?

[The One]

*sits back a lets the other stable fanboys argue themselves to death*

WOOOOO

You would have made a good member of the Forum Horsemen. ;)

Good god, first it was the TPWW Mafia, then the Forum Horsemen, now TPWW Kliq...how do I always end up in e-stables. Oh well, at least I don't play Dungeons and Dragons...

[Anybody Thrilla]

A response to what?

Post #21

I'm totally open to discussion. I guess maybe I just don't know the whole story if so many people are hating Bret Hart now. I've never noticed this kind of Bret Hart hatred before around here.

[KingofOldSchool]

You would have made a good member of the Forum Horsemen. ;)

Good god, first it was the TPWW Mafia, then the Forum Horsemen, now TPWW Kliq...how do I always end up in e-stables. Oh well, at least I don't play Dungeons and Dragons...

I'll be Kevin Sullivan!!

Oh wait...different Dungeon. :shifty:

[Funky Fly]

He's from Canada.
You are so close to being banned right about now.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Promising to drop the title after you leave the company is a completely fair compromise. Vince really had nothing to worry about with Bret showing up on WCW television with the WWF Title around his waist. Everyone other person that showed up on WCW television with a WWF title carried the title with respect. :wtf:

Given Bret's history with Vince, I would've trusted him one hundred percent.

[Theo Dious]

Are any of the Hart haters going to at least dignify me with a response? I'm not trying to get caught up in a faggot little stable war. I just want to hear the other side of it. I feel like there's something I'm not aware of.

I really don't hate the whole Hart group, I just always felt that the various members of the Kliq were better entertainers and much more fun to watch. I also think that Canada shouldn't be considered a real country and will give reasons to back that up, and as they continually extolled the virtues of that land, it gives me reason to dislike them more.

[BigDaddyCool]

You would have made a good member of the Forum Horsemen. ;)

Good god, first it was the TPWW Mafia, then the Forum Horsemen, now TPWW Kliq...how do I always end up in e-stables. Oh well, at least I don't play Dungeons and Dragons...

Yeah, I was just part of the Hell's Devil and oWo.

oWo still owns you all.

[KingofOldSchool]

Given Bret's history with Vince, I would've trusted him one hundred percent.

Never trust someone from Canada.


WOOOOO!

[The One]

I said that isn't post-career. The man has every reason to be bitter right about now, and while I don't necessarily agree with the way he's dealing with things, I really couldn't imagine being in his shoes.

While he was active, he was one of the very best and never tried to fuck anybody over. He always showed up to work, never hurt anybody, and did exactly what he was told (barring the Shawn Michaels incident, which he was STILL willing to compromise, just worked out a little differently).

He's done pretty much no harm to the wrestling community and before his life turned into a shit cyclone, he seemed like a pretty stand up guy. What's so bad that people in this thread think that Bret Hart fans are "cocksuckers"? Don't you think that's a bit of a stretch?

Bret Hart was a whinny little bitch before Montreal, and good god was it bad in WCW. And if you ask me, Bret Screwed Bret, unquestionably. So personally, I don't think he has anything to be pissy about (other than his brother dying, but that was a reak accident).

While he was active, he was fine putting over his friends and family (much like the Kliq was fine putting other Kliq guys over) but really, other than Austin, who did Bret ever put over that wasn't related to him that he didn't get huffy puffy about (see: Shawn Michaels)

Doing no harm, I agree. He didn't hard it. He helped it. But the same could be said about every single member of the Kliq. They all helped, hell their real life feuds helped bring the Internet Wrestling Community together and gave it life.

The reason this all started was the "Who do you side with in these real life feuds" or whatever it was called. Some sided with Michaels, others with Hart, and perhaps inevitably, battle lines were drawn in the sand and people began alligning with their chosen side. Accept it, have fun with it, like I said, Michaels/Hart is probably one of, if not THE biggest reason the internet wrestling community was ever created.

[Funky Fly]

Never trust someone from Canada.


WOOOOO!
YOU ARE SO BANNED RITE NOW! :mad:

[The One]

Yeah, I was just part of the Hell's Devil and oWo.

oWo still owns you all.

Hell's Devils was Electronik Championship Wrestling, Jacko.

And I totally forgot about oWo.:lol:

[The One]

Canada sucks.

And don't get all Ban happy Funky, no one has done anything bad other than make jokes. Don't be a buzz kill about the first thing that's brought life to the forums other than "Cena Sucks!" in god knows how long...

[Anybody Thrilla]

Thank you, The One.

I like Bret Hart AND Shawn Michaels. I don't appreciate being grouped with 'fanboys' in that sense.

[BigDaddyCool]

Given Bret's history with Vince, I would've trusted him one hundred percent.

Given that WCW, not Bret, would be calling the shots and Vince's history with WCW, you point becomes moot.

Basically, Bret showing up on WCW with the title was not an option. Name one time a title has shown up in another promotion (not called WW(F)E) and been treated with respect.

[BigDaddyCool]

Hell's Devils was Electronik Championship Wrestling, Jacko.

And I totally forgot about oWo.:lol:

No, it got it's start here on tpww before ECW. Me, RDD and Joel were tough back then. Now I'm the only one that is tough.

[Theo Dious]

Given that WCW, not Bret, would be calling the shots and Vince's history with WCW, you point becomes moot.

Basically, Bret showing up on WCW with the title was not an option. Name one time a title has shown up in another promotion (not called WW(F)E) and been treated with respect.

Yeah, WWE has had numerous opportunities to crap on opposing titles and not taken them. They had Flair with the WCW belt on their programming and actually put it over as a REAL World's Title.

[Funky Fly]

Canada sucks.

And don't get all Ban happy Funky, no one has done anything bad other than make jokes. Don't be a buzz kill about the first thing that's brought life to the forums other than "Cena Sucks!" in god knows how long...
Have you noticed that other than a couple of slightly edited posts and a closed thread or 2, nothing has actually been done by any of the mods. We are just fucking around with you.

[Anybody Thrilla]

That makes sense, BDC. I wasn't even ever trying to argue. I was just curious. Never really delved very far into the situation.

[BigDaddyCool]

Thank you, The One.

I like Bret Hart AND Shawn Michaels. I don't appreciate being grouped with 'fanboys' in that sense.

I still hate Bret, and the only time I take his side is against Goldberg.

[Theo Dious]

Have you noticed that other than a couple of slightly edited posts and a closed thread or 2, nothing has actually been done by any of the mods. We are just fucking around with you.

Besides, I know you wouldn't ban a fellow black man. Cause if you did I'd call up Rev. Jackson and have you banned from... I don't know, things.

[Theo Dious]

I still hate Bret, and the only time I take his side is against Goldberg.

It would be hard to take the side of someone who kicked someone else in the head.
Well unless it was Cena. You could say that Goldberg just "didn't see him."

Yes I know that was bad.

[BigDaddyCool]

Yeah, WWE has had numerous opportunities to crap on opposing titles and not taken them. They had Flair with the WCW belt on their programming and actually put it over as a REAL World's Title.

Not to mention they didn't completey crap on the ECW title with Taz, they made it look like a 3rd rate title, which is all it ever as been. And didn't they have NWA tag titles at one point?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Besides, I know you wouldn't ban a fellow black man. Cause if you did I'd call up Rev. Jackson and have you banned from... I don't know, things.

KFC?

[The One]

Have you noticed that other than a couple of slightly edited posts and a closed thread or 2, nothing has actually been done by any of the mods. We are just fucking around with you.
SLIGHTLY EDITED! TWO POSTS! THIS IS A TRAVISTY ON THE GRANDEST OF SCALES! THE APPCOLYSE IS COMING! RAWAAHAHAHHAAAWAGAHA!

(Not sure why it turned into Khali there at the end, just flow with it ok???

[Theo Dious]

KFC?

Come on now, let's not get into cruel and unusual.

[Theo Dious]

Not to mention they didn't completey crap on the ECW title with Taz, they made it look like a 3rd rate title, which is all it ever as been. And didn't they have NWA tag titles at one point?

Yeah I seem to remember something to do with Cornette and the NWA tag titles.

[BigDaddyCool]

Yeah I seem to remember something to do with Cornette and the NWA tag titles.

Yeah, Bart Gunn and Bob Holly were the new Midnight Express or something.

[BigDaddyCool]

Either that or it had something to do with the Blackjack's. And finally the thread comes to JBL.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I thought the Heavenly Bodies and The Rock and Roll Express had a lot to do with it.

[The One]

JBL IS A WRESTLING GOD!

OMGzzz!!11!!!!!! *spazz out*

[wwe2222]

Yeah, Bart Gunn and Bob Holly were the new Midnight Express or something.
bodacious bob and bombastic bart? or was it the other way around

[Theo Dious]

I thought the Heavenly Bodies and The Rock and Roll Express had a lot to do with it.

I know they wrestled for the Smokey Mountain tag titles at Survivor Series 94.

[Anybody Thrilla]

There we go, another outside title.

[Funky Fly]

Besides, I know you wouldn't ban a fellow black man. Cause if you did I'd call up Rev. Jackson and have you banned from... I don't know, things.
I will ban Jesse Jackson's face from his body.

[Theo Dious]

I will ban Jesse Jackson's face from his body.

Someone already did, haven't you ever noticed how it's sort of retreating into his skull?

[BigDaddyCool]

bodacious bob and bombastic bart? or was it the other way around

I think it is more like Bobcore Holly and Forgetable Bart.

[Anybody Thrilla]

*Butterbean Bart

[Funky Fly]

Someone already did, haven't you ever noticed how it's sort of retreating into his skull?
Then I will ban the black off him.

[Theo Dious]

"I GOT KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT" Bart

[Stickman]

Man, the Hart Foundation vs The Horsemen. Wow, just wow that feud would be.

[The One]

Man, the <s>Hart Foundation</s>Clique vs The Horsemen. Wow, just wow that feud would be.

[BigDaddyCool]

What Nick said.

[Theo Dious]

Yeah but which version of the Horsemen would have been time-appropriate to take on the Kliq...

[Anybody Thrilla]

The one with Steve McMichael in it :n:

[IC Champion]

Bret Hart > Ric Flair

[BigDaddyCool]

Bret Hart > Ric Flair

Wow, you are getting dumber by the day.

[The One]

God I can't wait til like 6:00 when my repping powers come back. IC is about to get the business...

[BigDaddyCool]

God I can't wait til like 6:00 when my repping powers come back. IC is about to get the business...

What is this about repping power?

[IC Champion]

Wow, you are getting dumber by the day.
Doesnt take away from the fact like Kevin Nash once grossed over 100 million euros from one event.

[BigDaddyCool]

Doesnt take away from the fact like Kevin Nash once grossed over 100 million euros from one event.

Damn you. How can I stay made at a guy who knows that Nash is god?

[IC Champion]

Damn you. How can I stay made at a guy who knows that Nash is god?
I thought the whole "Nash Is God" thing was a known fact

[BigDaddyCool]

Yeah fact's are still debated by dumb asses.

[The One]

Your love of the Nashful One does not excuse you insulting Lord Flair.

[IC Champion]

The guy beat Bob Backlund in an epic atMSG, Backlund was once the Champion for like 4 years staight, even Bret Hart fell victim to him.

[BigDaddyCool]

Your love of the Nashful One does not excuse you insulting Lord Flair.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, but you see Nash > Flair.

[BigDaddyCool]

Plus he brings up a very good point about how Hart sucks.

[IC Champion]

Your love of the Nashful One does not excuse you insulting Lord Flair.
Look, Flair was once one of best of his time, and in his prime yes maybe he was all that he says he was, but for him to bad mouth the people he has, theres no room, this is the same man who brought the NWA World Title, the company that made Flair what he was, onto WWF TV. Only to return the next year after Vince he wasnt worth it.

[The One]

Flair more or less single handedly kept the NWA from going backrupt, not only that but made JCP and other NWA terratories filthy fucking rich. And check your history books son, Flair walked onto the WWE stage with the WCW World Heavyweight Title. NOT the NWA Belt. By that point, the NWA and WCW were two different titles, and while yes Flair was stripped of the NWA Title when he signed with WWE, he did NOT bring the NWA Belt. So, try again and come back later.

[Blitz]

Wowzers.

[BigDaddyCool]

What does this have to do with Hart's anymore?

[IC Champion]

So because he made the NWA and JCP a few dollars that makes him the best?

[The One]

OK, I'm trying to get along with you since BDC asked nice, but you're just being fucking retarded. You said he might be the best expect for him taking the NWA Belt on WWE TV. I'm saying, you're wrong and a dumbass. Flair is the best because he has had unquestionably the most incredible career of any wrestler ever. He is simply the best in ring wrestler there has ever been. His character was perfect. His legacy is that he is the best of all time. You're legacy is quickly becoming that you need to die...

And speaking of dying, GOD DAMN BLITZ, GO DIE ALREADY YOU FUCKING FUCK MOTHER SHIT FUCK FUCKY FUCKER!

[Funky Fly]

Flair eats cat poo for free, unlike RP who needs to be paid first.

That's dedication, man.

[Jeritron]

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/images/377012/4123796http://www.wwe.com/content/media/images/377012/4123788
http://www.wwe.com/content/media/images/377012/455028http://www.wwe.com/content/media/images/377012/429322
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[Xero]

Kevin Nash has more ability in one strand of pubic hair than the entire Hart Foundation put together.

[The One]

Jeritron, that was from way left feild. WTF?

[James Steele]

Shawn Michaels is better than Bret (in the wrestling sense) because: He could wrestle any style and it be gold. He was charismatic as hell and could put on any kind of match and it be gold. His matches were unique and he could play face, heel, and tweener to the point it was gold.

Bret never had the all-rounder ability or charisma HBK did. Bret is a damn good wrestler, but he couldn't do what Shawn Michaels did in the ring or on the mic.

[BigDaddyCool]

Shawn Michaels is better than Bret (in the wrestling sense) because: He could wrestle any style and it be gold. He was charismatic as hell and could put on any kind of match and it be gold. His matches were unique and he could play face, heel, and tweener to the point it was gold.

Bret never had the all-rounder ability or charisma HBK did. Bret is a damn good wrestler, but he couldn't do what Shawn Michaels did in the ring or on the mic.

Bret had a stale/static style, and it was the same match over and over again. Same can be said about his speaking style. But I guess being Canadian and Hart give you certain amounts of slack.

[McLegend]

Nash's best match was probably with Bret.

[McLegend]

But I guess that was all Nash

[BigDaddyCool]

<s>Nash's</s>Bret's best match was probably with <s>Bret</s>Nash.

[Innovator]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Ben Rodrigues]

TPWW Hart Foundation

LC
AT
Funky
Zen
??

I would like to join the Hart Foundation.

[IC Champion]

I would like to join the Hart Foundation.
Can I sign up

[Skippord]

Gonna give the TPWW Kliq and the TPWW Hart Foundation

THE LAPARKANAITOR

[Skippord]

Airfooted Assasins >>>> All

[Blitz]

'member when LC said he was gonna put everyone in stables?

[Zen v.W.o.]

Bret Hart was a whinny little bitch before Montreal, and good god was it bad in WCW. And if you ask me, Bret Screwed Bret, unquestionably. So personally, I don't think he has anything to be pissy about (other than his brother dying, but that was a reak accident).

While he was active, he was fine putting over his friends and family (much like the Kliq was fine putting other Kliq guys over) but really, other than Austin, who did Bret ever put over that wasn't related to him that he didn't get huffy puffy about (see: Shawn Michaels)

Doing no harm, I agree. He didn't hard it. He helped it. But the same could be said about every single member of the Kliq. They all helped, hell their real life feuds helped bring the Internet Wrestling Community together and gave it life.

The reason this all started was the "Who do you side with in these real life feuds" or whatever it was called. Some sided with Michaels, others with Hart, and perhaps inevitably, battle lines were drawn in the sand and people began alligning with their chosen side. Accept it, have fun with it, like I said, Michaels/Hart is probably one of, if not THE biggest reason the internet wrestling community was ever created.

Umm, as a main eventer, Bret was putting over guys and giving rubs willingly to low card talent, just to make the company look stronger. HBk had trouble putting Austin over at Mania. That says it all.

[Blitz]

Or TPWW: The Main Event?

Those were fun times.

[FakeLaser]

BRET HART IS THE BEST WRESTLER OF ALL-TIME.

[Zen v.W.o.]

Given that WCW, not Bret, would be calling the shots and Vince's history with WCW, you point becomes moot.

Basically, Bret showing up on WCW with the title was not an option. Name one time a title has shown up in another promotion (not called WW(F)E) and been treated with respect.


Umm, Bret still had a couple months left on his cntract with Vince. You people keep forgetting that. He wasnt done right after SS. Which is why Bret brought up the compromise and wanted to use his reasonable creative control. If anything, Vince was given a good oppurtunity to do things in a proper manner.
WCW had absolutely no control over Bret until early 1998. Besides that point, Bret came from a family of strong tradition engraved in the business. I think Stu would be appalled by such an action, and Bret knew it. Besides that, Bret doesnt se the type to be easily manipulated into doing something like that, especially after all the loyalty he brought to the wwe.

[BigDaddyCool]

Starting The Tpww Evolution
Skippord
?
?
?

Evolution was a mere stable. The Kliq isn't a stable, it is a pack of friends became stables. The Hart Foundation was a family turned into a stable. The 4 Horseman became (for the most part) a tight group of friends...well at least Natch and Arn did. Evolution was just in story lines.

[Skippord]

Tpwwevolution was a bad choice

[Skippord]

BDC wants to start the TPWW Nazi Party

[311]

Starting the TPWW Horsemen...
1.
2.
3.
4.
Manager -

[BigDaddyCool]

BDC wants to start the TPWW Nazi Party

No, I have started enough stables. Plus, did they did that in the E-Fed forum.

[The One]

Starting the TPWW Horsemen...
1.
2.
3.
4.
Manager -

The Forum Horsemen were already done like 2 years ago. I'd like to think it's what put Destor on the map as a good poster at TPWW (before that he was quite hated for some reason). Anyway, it was done, any other Horsemen knock off would simply be just that, a cheap knock off of our knock off.

[The One]

P.S. What the hell happened to Janton after the stable broke apart...has anyone heard anything from him???

[311]

The Forum Horsemen were already done like 2 years ago. I'd like to think it's what put Destor on the map as a good poster at TPWW (before that he was quite hated for some reason). Anyway, it was done, any other Horsemen knock off would simply be just that, a cheap knock off of our knock off.

:y:

[KingofOldSchool]

The Forum Horsemen were already done like 2 years ago. I'd like to think it's what put Destor on the map as a good poster at TPWW (before that he was quite hated for some reason). Anyway, it was done, any other Horsemen knock off would simply be just that, a cheap knock off of our knock off.

That version was the Paul Roma version, the only best TPWW Horsemen is the the Horsemen with ME!!!

WOOOOOO!

[hb2k]

I'm still not sure I ever saw a cooler group than Flair, Arn, Pillman and Benoit.

Although Shawn, H and Chyna were pretty great.

[KingofOldSchool]

I'm still not sure I ever saw a cooler group than Flair, Arn, Pillman and Benoit.


Flair, Arn, Tully, and Windham

[The One]

Flair, Arn, Tully, and Windham

I can never make up my mind on which of the Horsemen variations was best, the one with Windham or the one with Ole. I mean, really, there is no close third place. Personally I perfere Windham, but Ole was just so original good classic.

[Anybody Thrilla]

See, at first I was inclined to believe what Zen was saying, and after reading it, that sounds more right than whatever the hell BDC was saying. Bret Hart is still the man.

[Jeritron]

I can never make up my mind on which of the Horsemen variations was best, the one with Windham or the one with Ole. I mean, really, there is no close third place. Personally I perfere Windham, but Ole was just so original good classic.

Windham version.

[311]

Windham version.

I agree. To me, Ole just seemed a little out of place.

[BigDaddyCool]

See, at first I was inclined to believe what Zen was saying, and after reading it, that sounds more right than whatever the hell BDC was saying. Bret Hart is still the man.

Whatever the hell I was saying is more right.

[Theo Dious]

Whatever the hell I was saying is more right.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I dunno, man. I'm pretty sure he wasn't about to jump to WCW directly after Survivor Series. He would've jobbed to HBK, but he just didn't wanna do it in Canada. Makes sense to me.

[KingofOldSchool]

I can never make up my mind on which of the Horsemen variations was best, the one with Windham or the one with Ole. I mean, really, there is no close third place. Personally I perfere Windham, but Ole was just so original good classic.

I actually liked the Lex Luger version more than the one with Ole.

[BigDaddyCool]

I dunno, man. I'm pretty sure he wasn't about to jump to WCW directly after Survivor Series. He would've jobbed to HBK, but he just didn't wanna do it in Canada. Makes sense to me.

He is Canadian. Nothing they do makes sense. Bunch of upside down bastards.

[Xero]

I've always heard that Survivor Series was the last night of his contract, and Vince did it because he was afraid Bret would take the belt to WCW and pull a Medusa because of Bischoff.

[BigDaddyCool]

I've always heard that Survivor Series was the last night of his contract, and Vince did it because he was afraid Bret would take the belt to WCW and pull a Medusa because of Bischoff.

This is what I understood as well.

[Caged Heat18]

I love Bret Hart, and I'm a huge fan of his, but I definetely believe he should have dropped the belt at Survivor Series. Now I understand Vince's reasons for screwing Bret, as he couldn't trust anyone who was heading to WCW, with all the things they were pulling on him. With that being said I understand Bret being hurt by Vince, as I'm sure he trusted him a whole lot. But really I love Bret, but it's been ten years, so can't we and bret, and everyone else find something to talk about.

[hb2k]

Survivor Series wasn't the last day on his contract, that was a lot of the issue - Bret offered to appear on any show until, I believe, December 7th to lose the belt, even offering to lose it to Steve Lombardi in MSG. He just didn't want to lose in Canada to a guy he didn't personally or professionally respect, and made clear he would never job to Bret. Bischoff probably couldn't have binned the belt even if he wanted to, as there was a lawsuit against him at the time stemming from the Madusa deal, and doing so would have been fucking himself.

The Windham incarnation was cool, but I love the dynamic of how divergent the personalities were in Flair/Arn/Pillman/Benoit. The Crippler, the Loose Cannon, the Enforcer and the Nature Boy. Everyone drastically different to each other.

[Innovator]

Arn and Flair both said that they wished Benoit was around when Ole left so he could step in, cause he fit in so well.

[Xero]

You're right, I forgot it went into December. I remember reading that.

[BigDaddyCool]

Survivor Series wasn't the last day on his contract, that was a lot of the issue - Bret offered to appear on any show until, I believe, December 7th to lose the belt, even offering to lose it to Steve Lombardi in MSG. He just didn't want to lose in Canada to a guy he didn't personally or professionally respect, and made clear he would never job to Bret. Bischoff probably couldn't have binned the belt even if he wanted to, as there was a lawsuit against him at the time stemming from the Madusa deal, and doing so would have been fucking himself.

The Windham incarnation was cool, but I love the dynamic of how divergent the personalities were in Flair/Arn/Pillman/Benoit. The Crippler, the Loose Cannon, the Enforcer and the Nature Boy. Everyone drastically different to each other.

So Bret offered to drop the belt to the Brooklyn Brawler? That is even more disrepectful.

[Loose Cannon]

Relating to the Horsemen, they didn't push the Pillman version like the Horsemen of old, so it kind of sucked. They were always jobbing to Hogan. Pillman's run was awesome though during that.

I always liked Ole. He was like the tough elder of the group and he cut good promos. The one on Sting is my favorite. He's super nice in real life too. He'll sit and talk for hours with you.

[Lara Emily]

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[Vastardikai]

I'll put it down like this:

How many times in his WWF/E Career did Bret drop titles without a match taking place?

How many times in his WWF/E Career did HBK drop titles without a match taking place?

That's all I'm gonna say about that one. I still say the Manhattan Incident is bullshit and that he really hasn't changed since becoming a "Christian."

At the same time, Bret should make like the Beatles and "Let it Be." He was incredibly Naive if he thought he WOULDN'T get screwed by Vince. See Richter, Wendy. I also think that there may have been something screwy over the Backlund-Sheik title change, but I can't remember off-hand. I think the list of people Vince WOULDN'T screw is very short, and included Harley (because Race is lives and dies by his word. That and he would fuck Vince up if he even considered it.) and maybe Stu Hart. I think he'd even screw Taker if he felt he had to. There are literally a trail of gaping assholes behind Vincent Kennedy McMahon.

Damn, that's a disturbing image now that I think of it.

[Theo Dious]

Bischoff probably couldn't have binned the belt even if he wanted to, as there was a lawsuit against him at the time stemming from the Madusa deal, and doing so would have been fucking himself.

And who is to say that Bischoff wouldn't have taken that bullet?

[hb2k]

At that point he probably would have to be honest, he was so involved in taking Vince out he was apparently driven insane when WWF caught up.

And I agree that in terms of a "run", the Pillman/Benoit Horsemen wasn't a big deal in the landscape of things. By no means were they the most successful incarnation of the Horsemen, but I remember many a time, like Starrcade 95, when Flair got the belt, and thinking this was as exciting and interesting a version of the Horsemen I'd seen. To me they were the coolest, though not the most successful.

[Loose Cannon]

Pillman was the coolest Horsemen to flash the sign.

[Loose Cannon]

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/b/brianpillman/41.jpg

[hb2k]

I think we can both agree on the awesomeness of Brian F'n Pillman.

[Theo Dious]

Yeah, he can even flip the sign while pissing on a wall. :shifty: