I know some people here love JBL

[Juan]

but fuck him.

Credit - Wrestling Observer Newsletter
The Miz has been paranoid about losing his job with WWE ever since someone convinced him to do a major rib on JBL that backfired on him. Backstage JBL is considered as untouchable and the worst kind of bully there can be, not to mention that he doesn’t like Miz to begin with. It’s not likely that he will be fired any time soon, but if he is, that is probably why.

I can't enjoy any of his on camera stuff knowing he's such a dick backstage. I can understand ribbing, but c'mon, there's no need for mean spirited bullying. Especially in a work environment. Who the fuck died and made JBL "untouchable?"

He gets no respect from me. And not the same way I don't respect Hulk Hogan for his politicking, because despite his backstage antics, at least Hogan was a big draw in the WWF and WCW.

Note: Since I'm a "newbie" i don't expect my opinion to mean anything around here, but I just felt the need to vent.

[/end rant]

[IC Champion]

Cause he's Vince's "boy". I read he gets to use the Corporate jet that Vince leases.

[Kane Knight]

80% of the folks backstage are dicks, or dickish. Stop watching wrestling NOW.

[IC Champion]

80% of the folks backstage are dicks, or dickish. Stop watching sports entertainment NOW.

[Juan]

Right, I'm sure 80% of them are "untouchable" too...

[Skippord]

Thats what I've been saying

[KingofOldSchool]

See I'm a dick too, so I can relate with JBL.

[Funky Fly]

Dicks only learn their lesson when they get taken down by bigger dicks.

Exhibit A: Bobcore and Lesnar.

[McLegend]

O Miz :nono:

[KingofOldSchool]

If I was JBL I would hate Miz too.

Wait, I already hate the Miz.

[Lock Jaw]

Praise JBL (http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/jukebox/2007/teasers/list_this/sd_moments/jblimmigrants_?section=%2Finside%2Flistthis%2Fmostmemorablesdmoments%2Fmemorablesdmomentsvideos%2F)

[Juan]

I wish Randy Orton would take a dump in his luggage bags,

[FourFifty]

NOT THE MIZ!!!!!!!! :(

[The Genius]

"a major rib" what is this?

[SammyG]

I am just looking forward to Tovo's response.

[redoneja]

I just think he's mediocre. I found his title reign rather boring and his matches were terrible. Sure he's good on the mic and a great commentator, but that's about it.

[Skippord]

Thats what I'm saying Red Ninja

[redoneja]

Can't you read, asshole?
My name is NOT red ninja
People are so dumb

:shifty:

[Skippord]

Red One Yah

[Mercury Bullet]

Maybe if he was hating and trying to fire a talented star within the company I would be upset over this...But he's not, he's trying to axe Miz and all i can say is go get him.

[The Genius]

palmer cannon seemed to have a lot of promise but quit due to JBL harassment.

but i am all for JBL making the Miz's life a living hell.

[Rammsteinmad]

So any ideas what Miz did?

[The Show Off]

Praise JBL (http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/jukebox/2007/teasers/list_this/sd_moments/jblimmigrants_?section=%2Finside%2Flistthis%2Fmostmemorablesdmoments%2Fmemorablesdmomentsvideos%2F)

Seig Heil JBL!

[Bad Company]

JBL hasn't been entertaining since he was world champ.

[SammyG]

rofl @ the border video.

[lort]

That news is 100% reliable! :shifty:

[Xerzes]

I hope the backfire is that Mike Mizanin got a life-threatening illness.

Or maybe just something so he'll go the fuck bald. I want his hair gone. Not just the hairstyle. The hair. I want nothing on his head.

[darkpower]

Umm...look at the source of this report: The Observer. Almost everyone understands that Meltzer can put his own opinions into his stories and bring them to you as fact (I mentioned this in a previous post somewhere else), and be so biased that he would make a good companion to Bill O'Reilly.

That being said, I don't doubt he rubbed JBL (or many others for that matter) the wrong way. I thought he sucked ass from day one, and I'm not sure why Vince still has hard ons for him. Personally, I would NOT mis the Miz in the LEAST.

Finally, a bit of a footnote: When I hovered over the subject on the topic list, the tooltip that popped up to show a preview of the actual text only read "But fuck him". That coupled with the subject line made me want to either take off all of my clothes and cum all over my computer screen or just say "EW!!".

[Theo Dious]

This leads to something I've been thinking... why would a still fairly new guy in the company pull any kind of rib, let alone a MAJOR rib, on a very well-placed veteran, let alone JBL? Surely if we internet slugs know that JBL is a dick, he would have figured it out being backstage? We're talking about the guy who supposedly damn near sodomized Jerry Lawler's son to teach him a lesson. If you got hired at a big company and you decided to let the air out of the tires of a guy who was good friends with the boss? Hardly. All that being said, I'd like to know just what this "major rib" was before we get to making judgments. And, in closing, Meltzer is a dick.

[Xero]

Miz looks gay. I bet JBL's soap-capades wouldn't phase him in the least.

[311]

I know Miz got the win (wtf), but it was amusing watching Benoit slap him around on Smackdown.

[Avenger]

JBL is greatness. That doesn't mean he isn't an asshole though.

[Avenger]

Oh, and Meltzer is a tard of the first degree.

[311]

If the highlight of my career for several years was a strap-match with Savio Vega I'd probably be a dick too. (Maybe a bit cocky now as well.)

[Theo Dious]

If the highlight of my career for several years was a strap-match with Savio Vega I'd probably be a dick too. (Maybe a bit cocky now as well.)

...so are we talking about JBL or Meltzer now? :shifty:

[Kane Knight]

Right, I'm sure 80% of them are "untouchable" too...

You said you couldn't enjoy him knowing how much of a dick he is backstage. You didn't whine that you couldn't watch him knowing he was untouchable.

Fact is, most of the big players are cocks. There's been a lot of news reports on Benoit in the past, Taker's not only a dick, but blows his nose on the floors of gyms. Michaels, HHH? Natch.

Do you enjoy any of them? Benoit's the only one on that list who isn't "untouchable."

[Theo Dious]

Miz looks gay. I bet JBL's soap-capades wouldn't phase him in the least.

Bradshaw 3:16 says I just soaped your ass.

[PepperCarrotMan]

You said you couldn't enjoy him knowing how much of a dick he is backstage. You didn't whine that you couldn't watch him knowing he was untouchable.

Fact is, most of the big players are cocks. There's been a lot of news reports on Benoit in the past, Taker's not only a dick, but blows his nose on the floors of gyms. Michaels, HHH? Natch.

Do you enjoy any of them? Benoit's the only one on that list who isn't "untouchable."

You guys can still enjoy The Boogeyman. :y:

[Theo Dious]

I understand that the Boogeyman routinely leaves worms in London and Kendrick's shoes. :shifty:

[PepperCarrotMan]

I understand that the Boogeyman routinely leaves worms in London and Kendrick's shoes. :shifty:

But thats loveable and cute!

Not evil and devious!

[Theo Dious]

Soap in the ass is a fine and loving experience.

[BigDaddyCool]

JBL is untouchable and you and the Miz need to learn that. I think Miz should be blackballed from television for ever now.

[The One]

I am just looking forward to Tovo's response.

Here's my response...

Have any of you dip shits ever been in a locker room? In a frat? On a sports team? In any situation where there is a lot of male bonding under a highly organised way? Ribs happen, hazing happens, and I'm not sorry, but I support it. But let me explain how this works; old vets do the ribs, the young shits take them, realise it's all part of the business and wait til one day they're the vets, then they do the ribs. Miz is a fucking assclown who should have known better. ESPECIALLY with someone who is very close with the boss, and is best friends with the "locker room leader" The Undertaker. In a business like pro wrestling, there are people who are untouchable. It's just simply known. JBL is one of them. So...don't fuck with him you dumb MTV reject peice of shit. This just works out nicely that I happen to hate The Miz and love JBL, but even if this was CM Punk ribbing on Hulk Hogan, I would say the same thing.

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/b/bradshaw/18.jpghttp://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/b/bradshaw/19.jpg

[Kane Knight]

Here's my response...

Have any of you dip shits ever been in a locker room? In a frat? On a sports team?

Yup. Doesn't make it any less gay and childish. Blah blah blah YOU JUST DONT UNDERSTAND ETC.

[Vastardikai]

I am gonna sum it up like this: There are things that go on in the business that is a load of bullshit, like the hazing and shit like that. However it's a part of the business, regardless of whether or not we like it.

[Juan]

JBL is untouchable and you and the Miz need to learn that. I think Miz should be blackballed from television for ever now.

Newsflash: I never said I liked the Miz.

[Theo Dious]

Newsflash: I never said I liked the Miz.

Uh, yeah, neither did he.

[BigDaddyCool]

Newsflash: I never said I liked the Miz.

Then what is your problem?

[The One]

Yup. Doesn't make it any less gay and childish. Blah blah blah YOU JUST DONT UNDERSTAND ETC.
OK, KK either doesn't agree with it or has some hurt feelings from being hazed earlier in his life, therefore it must be gay and childish. .:roll:

[The One]

I don't see how anyone could have a problem with The Miz's job being in jeopardy. :wtf:

[Theo Dious]

Dude, if the Miz gets fired I am never watching ECW again. :shifty:

[Mercury Bullet]

When I wrestled in high school we got taped to the mat and beat with towels. :(

[Theo Dious]

When I wrestled in high school we got taped to the mat and beat with towels. :(

I'm sure that someone can find a way to blame Bradshaw for that.

[Mercury Bullet]

^ Oh and in junior high I got rolled in a mat and rolled down the stairs. It wasn't very far down but it was quite jarring to say the least.

[The One]

When I wrestled in high school we got taped to the mat and beat with towels. :(

LOL. Classics. :y:

Love you Merc!

[Mercury Bullet]

I'm sure that someone can find a way to blame Bradshaw for that.

I blame Bradshaw for that. :shifty:

[Theo Dious]

I blame Bradshaw for that. :shifty:

Oh now I've gone crosseyed.

[Mercury Bullet]

There was no hazings in Tennis though.




Isn't that a hell of a weird combination of sports to compete in? Tennis and wrestling.

[The One]

A buddy of mine got locked in the trunk of a car with a snake...and this is someone who is so terrified of snakes, he was so fucking white when he got out, I think he shit his pants a little cause it smelled funky. :lol: Ah, good guy though, and he did some REAL mean ribs to the younger guys the next year.

[Mercury Bullet]

Okay, getting locked in the trunk with a snake is pretty f'ed up.

But funny if you aren't the one in the trunk. :yes:

[Theo Dious]

You mean there was no racket-based ass-slapping? I thought that was the whole REASON to play tennis.

[Mercury Bullet]

I got hit in the balls with a ball once. Intentionally. But I don't know if that really counts as hazing.

[The One]

I was always a big fan of the simply things. Pushing a penny down the hall with your noise wearing a dress, things that are funny, but didn't put anyone in danger. That was my style. :y:

[Mercury Bullet]

My balls were in danger, that f'n hurt.

[Rammsteinmad]

Taker's not only a dick, but blows his nose on the floors of gyms.

For real? Or is that a figure if speech? :nono:

[Kane Knight]

OK, KK either doesn't agree with it or has some hurt feelings from being hazed earlier in his life, therefore it must be gay and childish. .:roll:

Yeah, first it's "You don't know what it's like" and then when someone says otherwise, it's just due to a bad experience.

Hell, even you compared it to school. Good thing you're full of shit, or this kind of irony would make you look full of shit.

[Jeritron]

He only disagreed with it because everyone else was agreeing and sharing stories, therefore he crashed it.

[Juan]

Then what is your problem?

JBL being a bully.

[hb2k]

JBL hasn't been entertaining since he was world champ.

Yeh, that feud with Taker was aw...oh wait.

Well at least the feud with Big Show tore the house do...oh wait.

Well in fairness, just as well, as he did great ratings...oh wait.

His PPV buyrates did pretyy good th...oh wait.

I really don't think I need a fifth one.

[Jeritron]

I'm not letting reality get in the way

[The Genius]

taker blew his nose on the gym floor when he was in ireland i believe. i believe taker denied it however but employees all saw him do it.

[BigDaddyCool]

JBL being a bully.

He is bullying the Miz...I still fail to see your point.

[St. Jimmy]

http://www.health-information-fitness.com/cleanse/fourquartenema.html

LOL.

[Juan]

He is bullying the Miz...I still fail to see your point.

My point is that he's a dick for being a bully, regardless of who he's bullying. Being a dick doesn't automatically become okay just because he's bullying someone we both don't like.

[Skippord]

http://www.health-information-fitness.com/cleanse/fourquartenema.html

LOL.
Does it selfsoap?

[BigDaddyCool]

My point is that he's a dick for being a bully, regardless of who he's bullying. Being a dick doesn't automatically become okay just because he's bullying someone we both don't like.

What I pick up from the story is that JBL never like the Miz to begin with, then the Miz desided to mess with JBL. Now JBL is bullying him. Sounds like the Miz brought it on himself. Is JBL bullying anyone else?

I still fail to see your point.

[The One]

For what it's worth, JBL has a long and storied history (mainly reported by Dave "I invented truthiness beore Colbert gave it a name" Meltzer) of bullying other people.

[Skippord]

Stephen Colbert should have JBL on the show


and shoot him

[The One]

I would never be able to watch TV again after that moment, infact I might go blind and deaf considering I would have seen and heard quite possibly the single greatest thing that could have ever happened in the history of mankind.

[AdrianM]

Stephen Colbert should have JBL on the show


and shoot him

Whose stephen colbert?

[Juan]

For what it's worth, JBL has a long and storied history (mainly reported by Dave "I invented truthiness beore Colbert gave it a name" Meltzer) of bullying other people.

:y:

[darkpower]

Whose stephen colbert?

PLEASE tell me you're kidding?

[The Fugitive]

I was always a big fan of the simply things. Pushing a penny down the hall with your noise wearing a dress, things that are funny, but didn't put anyone in danger. That was my style. :y:

Now see, I don't have a problem with that. That's harmless, but I'll be tempted to knock the shit out of someone if they locked me in a trunk with a snake.

[AdrianM]

PLEASE tell me you're kidding?

ok, so he has his own show on the comedy channel (which i don't have) and was one of time magazines 100 most influential people of 2006 (which I don't read).

so, yeah, never heard of him until i did that search of him on wikipedia

[BigDaddyCool]

I would never be able to watch TV again after that moment, infact I might go blind and deaf considering I would have seen and heard quite possibly the single greatest thing that could have ever happened in the history of mankind.

And who is to say these people didn't deserve it?

[Theo Dious]

And who is to say these people didn't deserve it?

I think he was talking about the magnificence of JBL being interviewed by Colbert.

[BigDaddyCool]

Yeah, I quoted the wrong thing. I ment to get the one about JBL bullying other people.

[Theo Dious]

Ok then.

Seriously, the thing about him ramming soap up Brian Christopher's arse, wasn't that supposed to be some sort of retaliation against him for harassing some of the chicks in the locker room or something? I may be having the story sideways, but there you go. Harrass ladies backstage -> get sodomized with soap. Fair play, far as I'm concerned.

[The One]

JBL - The fair but firm arm of the moral law. :y:

[Theo Dious]

Yeah the man might not be the most likable, but he's worked his tail off over the years and spent most of it in the midcard with little complaint. And he's definitely less of an ass than Bob Holly. I'm not sure I've heard any backstage stories of him that are totally inexcusable. I will happily accept correction on that one if someone has.

[Jeritron]

Let me preface this by saying, I enjoy JBL.

But to say that because he worked his ass off in the midcard he deserves some kind of main event status isn't true. Just like Bob Holly, you either have it or you don't and it doesn't matter how hard you work if you can't cut the cake. Doesn't mean anyone who falls into this category is any less or a worker or loyal to the company. Either way, just because somebody busts their ass off and works harder and is more loyal than say, Manny Ramirez, doesn't mean they should be hitting clean up for the Boston Red Sox.
There's some things that dedication, hard work and loyalty don't produce and I'm sorry to say, wrestling is full of them. Just ask Brian Hilldenbrand. Or on the flip side, just ask Ultimate Warrior.


As for JBL, he made it work. He earned a shot I suppose. At the time I didn't agree with his sudden, untested and alltogether risky/likely political rise to the top of the WWE, and I probably still don't.
But he had what it took, at least as an entertainer and a character/performer. He took the ball and ran with it in a lot of ways, even if they had no business handing it to him.
He succeeded and he's damn entertaining, but just because you're a company guy, a tough guy and have respect with the people that matter backstage doesn't make you main event material.

[The One]

JBL deserved his run. The only thing that made his run with the WWE Title weak was how he was booked, other than that, he did a damn fine job. Remember, Brock up and left and Angle was injured. SmackDown's pervious "go to" guys were gone. Eddie was good, but simply couldn't personally handel the stress of carrying the belt. JBL had an INCREDIBLE turn, and really grew into his character very well. He earned his run, he deserved his run, and he did a damn fine job with his run.

[Jeritron]

I think he did a damn fine job with his run, and he certainly paid his dues to get it. So yes, he earned and deserved it. But I still think that it was out of thin air. I know they needed stars quickly, but he was a member of the APA and 2 months later his new gimmick was holding the belt for the longest time period since 1995.
I'm sorry, but thats out of the clear blue and I think caused a lot of head scratching

[Theo Dious]

But to say that because he worked his ass off in the midcard he deserves some kind of main event status isn't true. Just like Bob Holly, you either have it or you don't and it doesn't matter how hard you work if you can't cut the cake. Doesn't mean anyone who falls into this category is any less or a worker or loyal to the company. Either way, just because somebody busts their ass off and works harder and is more loyal than say, Manny Ramirez, doesn't mean they should be hitting clean up for the Boston Red Sox.

Whoa whoa whoa, I never said that he deserved a shot in the main event scene because he worked his ass off in the midcard. I just pointed out that he did work for a long time there without any real main event exposure, and doesn't seem to have complained about it. Working in the midcard for an extended period doesn't earn you a main event slot, it just makes you a solid and reliable guy.

[Theo Dious]

I think he did a damn fine job with his run, and he certainly paid his dues to get it. So yes, he earned and deserved it. But I still think that it was out of thin air. I know they needed stars quickly, but he was a member of the APA and 2 months later his new gimmick was holding the belt for the longest time period since 1995.
I'm sorry, but thats out of the clear blue and I think caused a lot of head scratching

Yeah, and one minute Bret Hart was jobbing the IC title to the Bulldog, the next minute he was beating Ric Flair for the WWF title. I know that made me scratch my head. That sort of thing happens sometimes when a change is needed in a hurry.

[Jeritron]

That is very true. i.e Bob Holly.

I just want to know what made them push JBL to the title with a new gimmick, before any progressive singles push, within 2 months. Especially since he was half of a midcard tag team and never really successful in singles, and had been in a floundering version of the APA months before his title win.
I liked JBLs title reign, it just seems like WTF. At the time it wasn't very credible and if it weren't for his accomplishments with such a huge gift, it would have been looked at as one of the biggest WTF were they thinking moments of all time.

[Theo Dious]

Basically, Smackdown had a champion who was overworking himself and a very thin main event scene, especially for heels. They had just spent two years building a guy who could be a mega-monster heel, who suddenly up and left the company. You're looking for a guy to build as champion who will seem fresh to the crowd, so you need someone with a new gimmick. And you need someone who isn't likely to up and walk out on you. So you pick a guy like Bradshaw and repackage him a bit. Honestly, given the way things panned out, could they have done any better?

[Jeritron]

Well it's easy to say in hindsight that it was a perfectly sound decision, but you have to judge it for the time it was made.

Yes, it worked out. Yes, they needed a new star/heel. Yes, he was loyal enough to stay and work his ass off. Was he the best candiate? perhaps in hindsight. Did it work out? Probably as good as it could have.
But of all the talent to push to the title, including a wealth of untapped uppermidcarders/established talent with singles credibility, AT THE TIME the decision was pretty crazy.

Like I've said, perhaps it was the right decision in hindsight, but I think a lot of that was luck and JBLs credit, making it a huge risk. You're gonna tell me moving Jericho, Booker T, or Edge or somebody over to Smackdown, at the time, wouldn't have been a more sound and logical choice that would be more understandable and accepted?

[Theo Dious]

Well looking at the SD roster at the time, who could be both fresher to the main event AND less likely to leave the company than Bradshaw?

[Jeritron]

How about looking at the WWE roster. That show was lacking talent for a long time before Brock left and JBL got his push. And it was lacking star power even when he did.
Once again, he was damn good but where's the logic in that push? What was the buildup and credibility going into it?
And the freshness factor..well I guess the drawing ability will tell on that, even if we hardcore fans liked him. If I plucked Bob Holly out of the midcard and stuck him with a new gimmick and put the title on him by June, it'd sure as hell be "fresh", but would you encourage me to do so? And are fans gonna like something just because it's new?

All I'm trying to say is that even though JBL was amazing, it was pretty fucking absurd at the time and even took a little getting used to for fans who didn't change the title, and to take a lower card guy and put the title on him for a year is BOLD. I'm not saying pushing an RVD or a Booker T or a Jericho would have panned out to be fresher or better, I'm just saying at the time it was the wiser choice.

[Theo Dious]

Yeah, from our point of view it was seriously out of left field and pretty absurd. I doubt anyone even expected him to win the title when he did (at least anyone without access to spoilerage.) Looking at it from the POV of the backstage guys, it makes sense. Though yes, to the audience it was very sudden. But they needed to get the belt off of Eddie before he worked himself into serious health issues. I don't want to trivialize Eddie's death, but can you imagine the mess WWE would have faced if their champion had died with the belt on him? (Look at that one from the point of view where Eddie was alive and working himself nuts, mind you. I'm not suggesting that I or anyone ever said "well at least he wasn't champion when he died.) You're talking about a guy who had over-bladed and over-worked himself into two weeks of dizziness and fatigue already. When you decide that that belt has to come off of him for those reasons, you do it now, and you don't worry about buildup and reasons.

[.44 Magdalene]

Being a fan of neither the Miz nor JBL (though I do think he's the best color man active today), I can honestly say I have nothing to contribute to this thread.



Good day sirs.

[BigDaddyCool]

JBL is a wrestling and commentating God. You don't question what a God does. So fuck the miz.

[AdrianM]

Basically, Smackdown had a champion who was overworking himself and a very thin main event scene, especially for heels. They had just spent two years building a guy who could be a mega-monster heel, who suddenly up and left the company. You're looking for a guy to build as champion who will seem fresh to the crowd, so you need someone with a new gimmick. And you need someone who isn't likely to up and walk out on you. So you pick a guy like Bradshaw and repackage him a bit. Honestly, given the way things panned out, could they have done any better?

yes.

they could've have:
a) kept the title on Eddie longer
b) pushed RVD, Booker (who had just moved to smackdown), the fact is thaey were very over @ the time but were just wasted.
c) built up sean o'haire (altho he may have already been gone by then)
d) moved jericho(who had nothing going once christian had got injured other than a PPV match with Tyson Tomko.)

Basically, i'm not saying JBL had a bad run, I'm just denying ur opinion that they couldn't have done any better

[Jeritron]

Very true AdrainM.

Booker T and RVD had just come to smackdown, weren't doing anything, had been main event players on Raw and for a while, had never gotten a run or a big break, and were way over and credible. Most importantly, the fans of all kinds bought them. They bought them as main eventers in the making, or one step away from it, and they had the tools to be over huge and move merchandise. At least on smackdown where things were falling apart.
Booker could have been a big heel. Or RVD could have pulled of top heel with GM Paul Heyman as his evil mouthpeice.
And yes Jericho could have carried the show as a heel or a face and had great matches with Eddie.

JBL worked out, but at the time there were much safer and logical options to fall back on.

[Funky Fly]

I dunno, if someone locked me in the trunk of a car with what I feared the most, I'm pretty sure I'd chop them up with a rusty axe.