PS3 officially 'pwnt'?

[Ninti the Mad]

http://www.ps3center.net/story-394.html?PHPSESSID=b74f8a842e7af06576dbccea5054cf35

[Vietnamese Crippler]

Good, good :cool:

[Splaya]

AND THEY ARE GOING TO GO TO THE WII POSSIBLY

[Silent]

I'm selling my PS3.

[Bad Company]

Hardware wise, the PS3 is still 2x what the xbox360 is, and 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000x what the wii is.
It'll be ok.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Doesn't bother me. If they would have said it was leaving PS3 for another console, I would care.

[Blitz]

Leaning closer to getting a 360 instead by the moment.

At this point, the only thing on PS3 I'm looking forward to is Suikoden and God of War (well, and MGS, but that will almost surely go to the 360).

[Dave Youell]

I can get a 360 free with a mobile phone deal, V tempted as it seems like most games are going to be available on both consoles

[What Would Kevin Do?]

PS3 needs a Katamari Damacy game.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Also, Playstation Home could be amazing... Of course it could flop...

I was just thinking it'd be fucking awesome to watch movie's w/ peeps on it off of their playstation.

[St. Jimmy]

PS3 still has MGS4. All that matters.

[darkpower]

The main reason why SE had done this is because FFXI, the MMO of theirs, is also on the 360 and is doing relativley well on that platform, so why not release the others on the 360, too.

Remember that they also used to release the FF games on the PC after a while, and there's also no mention on when the game will come out for what system. Sony may still get it first, with the 360 somewhere down the road.

Somewhat of some bad news for Sony fanboys, but not nearly as shocking as many are claiming it to be when knowing the history of FF on other platforms, and the very possible reasoning behind this move (not to mention that Square had a TON of history with Nintendo).

[G]

PS3 still has MGS4. All that matters.


It will be on the 360 as well.


So no, that does not matter.

[tucsonspeed6]

PS3 needs a Katamari Damacy game.

"Beautiful Katamari" due out in October I think.

But yeah... the fanboys around the world will rejoice at this news. It means nothing. Did anyone worry about if Okami was going to be PS2 exclusive? Did anyone worry that the original Katamari was going to be PS2 exclusive? What about Shadow of the Colossus?

No. Because nobody even knew that those games existed or were going to exist. PS3 will have its own new original hits that are just as awesome as these franchises that are going to other systems.

[Kane Knight]

It will be on the 360 as well.


So no, that does not matter.

Come on, let him have his (false) justification for spending like twice as much on a system with no worthwile exclusives.

[ClockShot]

No big deal to me. However, I just figured out this morning that Xbox360 just grabbed Ace Combat 6. Exclusive to them as of right now. I haven't heard anything from camp Sony as of late.

[Kane Knight]

I don't really care that AC6 isn't coming to PS3, but I'm happy it's coming to 360.

EDIY: I meant "anytime soon." I know it's a "timed" exclusive.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

"Beautiful Katamari" due out in October I think.

But yeah... the fanboys around the world will rejoice at this news. It means nothing. Did anyone worry about if Okami was going to be PS2 exclusive? Did anyone worry that the original Katamari was going to be PS2 exclusive? What about Shadow of the Colossus?

No. Because nobody even knew that those games existed or were going to exist. PS3 will have its own new original hits that are just as awesome as these franchises that are going to other systems.

Best fucking news I've heard all day.

Apparently it's going to be on 360 too.

Anyway, I don't know about other people, but I don't need "Justification" for buying the more expsensive PS3 over the 360. If I had to do it again, I would. I prefer the PS3, I trust Sony more, and I've yet to have a game I've really wanted be only on the 360.

[Apocolyptik1]

Hardware wise, the PS3 is still 2x what the xbox360 is, and 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000x what the wii is.
It'll be ok.

This should stop any argument as far as this is concerned. If you have the money, buy the ps3.

It is better hardware. The machine itself is better then what the 360 can do. Yea, down the line, microsoft will continue to put things out that cost money that you have to buy to make it like the ps3.

So games will be on both machines. That doesnt mean that the 360 will be able to do what the ps3 can do.

[Kane Knight]

This should stop any argument as far as this is concerned.

No.

Hardware also brings problems. Such as the fact that the system is hard to program for.

This is like buying a top-of-the line computer, only to play Pac Man.

Why buy more expensive hardware that won't be used until after the system itself is outdated?

By the way, in terms of what "will be fine" (More what Bad Company said than you), the Dreamcast was super powerful...

Usually, the most powerful system flounders.

[Gerard]

Hardware wise, the PS3 is still 2x what the xbox360 is,


And you honestly believe that? I suppose you don't know that the ps3 graphics chip was a tossed in at the last minute addition as sony thought the cell was so powerful it could do both the cpu and gpu functions? They realised the crack pipe was empty and went running to nvidia for a solution, and all they got was a downclocked geforce 7800.

The ps3 has an edge in its cpu but the 360 has an edge in graphics seeing as its a unified pipeline chip, the ps3 chip is still using fixed function pipelines and is nowhere near as flexible.

[Apocolyptik1]

No.

Hardware also brings problems. Such as the fact that the system is hard to program for.

This is like buying a top-of-the line computer, only to play Pac Man.

Why buy more expensive hardware that won't be used until after the system itself is outdated?

By the way, in terms of what "will be fine" (More what Bad Company said than you), the Dreamcast was super powerful...

Usually, the most powerful system flounders.

I agree with everything you said, but with the machine being as good as it is (hardware wise), it shouldnt be outdated technology for 4 to 5 years or even longer. Yes by then microsoft will probably have put out another system that is as good (or most likely better) then the ps3, but who knows what they themselves would even charge for that system.

It seems to me that from now on, we will be paying for these machines like you would a computer. The more money, the better the pc right? With faster hardware you run into problems like over-heating and other issues along the same lines. Yea, sony definetly shoot themselves in the foot with the machine, but it will be better someday. Whether you want to pay for it now or not, thats up to the consumer. However, I have seen plenty of the same issues with both machines.

I am probably beating a dead horse, but I am under some good pain pills because I dislocated my thumb yesterday, and probably dont (and havent) made sense. :(

A side note, I wish the dreamcast did better then it did. I still have mine with marvel vs capcom 2, and still go back and play it every once and a while.

[Funky Fly]

PS3 will have to come up with some spectacular exclusives for me to show any interest. They've always managed to do come up with the exclusives, but most of their big name and sleeper titles are now multiplatform, so it'll be up to their first party titles to keep my interest.

Fuck being a fanboy, I don't support any system. The real question is what are these bastards doing FOR ME?

[Kane Knight]

I agree with everything you said, but with the machine being as good as it is (hardware wise), it shouldnt be outdated technology for 4 to 5 years or even longer.

I honestly disagree. I mean, yes. It's powerful, and will sta powerful for the next few years. But better technology will come out in the next couple of years, and by the next generation be cheaper. It might be competitive, but at that point, we'll be looking at it as competitive because it's now much cheaper to produce.

And even then, it will be seen as the "last gen" system.

This is not including factors like the success or failure of Blu Ray.

Yes by then microsoft will probably have put out another system that is as good (or most likely better) then the ps3, but who knows what they themselves would even charge for that system.

In 5 years, "better" will probably be comparable in cost to the PS3.

It seems to me that from now on, we will be paying for these machines like you would a computer. The more money, the better the pc right?

Actually, the Gamecube was better than the PS2.

But that aside, the major difference between a game system and a computer is that spending more money doesn't equal a better experience.

First, you actually have to get games built to use the difference. This happens with PCs; it doesn't seem to happen with video games. It's also bad marketing; one of the appeals to console gaming is a security that can't be found in the PC world.

With faster hardware you run into problems like over-heating and other issues along the same lines. Yea, sony definetly shoot themselves in the foot with the machine, but it will be better someday. Whether you want to pay for it now or not, thats up to the consumer. However, I have seen plenty of the same issues with both machines.

I'm on my Third 360, so I'm not arguing that they have problems. Microsoft skimped, Sony went with known problems. Both are bad, I agree. Even the Wii has some flawed models. No big there.

The problem is, developers are jumping ship. Nobody wants to program for it. It's hard to believe it will be "better someday" with that kind of issue. Sony sad themselves that it's likely the Cell's potential will never be released, and they've made it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I am probably beating a dead horse, but I am under some good pain pills because I dislocated my thumb yesterday, and probably dont (and havent) made sense. :(

A side note, I wish the dreamcast did better then it did. I still have mine with marvel vs capcom 2, and still go back and play it every once and a while.

No, y9ou made sense. I just don't quite agree. that's all.

The Dreamcast was a phenomenal machine, but it had many flaws. One, it was easy to pirate. Two, it was too advanced to survive in its time. Three, nobody had faith in Sega at that point.

What Sony has going for it is that it's not flawed in sense 1. It's not completely flawed in sense three, either. But it does have those problems.

Skies of Arcadia's one of my favorite RPGs.

PS3 will have to come up with some spectacular exclusives for me to show any interest. They've always managed to do come up with the exclusives, but most of their big name and sleeper titles are now multiplatform, so it'll be up to their first party titles to keep my interest.

Fuck being a fanboy, I don't support any system. The real question is what are these bastards doing FOR ME?

I agree.

I didn't buy a Box last time, because it looked like a clear loser. I mean, it had Halo, and Star Wars, but neither really "did it." Well, for me.

I bought the GCN, because it had wrestling games I thought wouldn't suck. I was wrong there, but I got the Rogue Squadron games, Some okay wrestlers, a couple of ports, etc. It was worth my money.

I bought a PS2, because I knew it would kick ass. It had all sorts of exlcusives lined up at launch (not out at launch, but announced), and it really sold me.

This time around, I went for a Wii (Retro gaming and the novelty games are enough for me, and I'll probably get some good games otherwise) and a 360, because I see Sony's venture as a failure and see no games I want.

My criticism of the PS3 comes mostly from 2 things:

I don't want it to be the future of gaming. Not because of the label, but because of the price tag, and the idea of overly compicated, tricked out machines. The 360 is bad enough.

And then there's the hubris involved.

[darkpower]

We do have to consider the games that will be hitting the PS3 that were on other platforms, as well. For instance, the Tecmo games will be heading to PS3, like ninja gaiden and MAYBE DOA.

We have to accept the ENTIRE analogy.

[Kane Knight]

And many of them are already starting to redirect.

If you want a whole analogy, the fly hitting the windshield actually acts with as much force as the windshield hitting the ly. PS3 is hemmoraging exclusives and titles. 360 is losing some.

I didn't mention it because it's not important to my statement. Sony IS alienating developers. Sony's pushed away a lot of them, and others have been lured by the 360's appeal.

Next time, I'll be more careful to mention that the fly got a shot in, too.

[Apocolyptik1]

This time around, I went for a Wii (Retro gaming and the novelty games are enough for me, and I'll probably get some good games otherwise) and a 360, because I see Sony's venture as a failure and see no games I want.
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See I bought a Wii for almost the exact same reason. It was different. The feel of the machine is nothing we have ever experience before.

On top of that, I think multiplayer wise, Nintendo will always be on top of that. Not necessarily dealing with internet, but just inside the home. It appeals to more people. I have seen more 35+ aged people have fun playing the Wii then any other system. Now I am just waiting for some more games.

SMASH BRO'S HOO!! (sticks right thumb in the air while holding cardboard 2x4)

[Kane Knight]

I want some kickass swordfighting games for the Wii. Wii Sports is some of the best fun I've had i nages on a game.

Nintendo's finally got their marketing machien in gear, for the first time since like the SNES. Even though I think the Wiimote is a gimmick, I think it is one that could have some real substance.

Unfortunately, like the other new systems Nintendo's put out, we have to sit through the requisite novelty games.

[road doggy dogg]

PS3 officially 'pwnt'?

What is this, November 2006? Old news.

[Apocolyptik1]

I want some kickass swordfighting games for the Wii. Wii Sports is some of the best fun I've had i nages on a game.

Nintendo's finally got their marketing machien in gear, for the first time since like the SNES. Even though I think the Wiimote is a gimmick, I think it is one that could have some real substance.

Unfortunately, like the other new systems Nintendo's put out, we have to sit through the requisite novelty games.

Yea I also want a sick sword fighting game to come out. Bushido Blade style.

[Kane Knight]

Or even Star Wars. It's a huuuge franchise, and Lightsabers are really ythe only part anyone gives ashit about.

You know, normal people.

[Xero]

For Star Wars, you need to make the sound effects yourself with the mic.

SHOOO! SHHHHHOOOMMM! BZZT!

[Kane Knight]

There's a mic on the Wii?

[HeartBreakMan2k]

We do have to consider the games that will be hitting the PS3 that were on other platforms, as well. For instance, the Tecmo games will be heading to PS3, like ninja gaiden and MAYBE DOA.

We have to accept the ENTIRE analogy.

But look at what PS3 is getting. Ps3 is getting Ninja Gaiden Sigma, which is a remake of Ninja Gaiden Black, which was a remake of Ninja Gaiden XBOX, while Microsoft is getting Ninja Gaiden 2.

[Kane Knight]

But look at what PS3 is getting. Ps3 is getting Ninja Gaiden Sigma, which is a remake of Ninja Gaiden Black, which was a remake of Ninja Gaiden XBOX, while Microsoft is getting Ninja Gaiden 2.

No, darkpower accepted the ENTIRE analogy. There can't be any more.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Oh :( I guess I'm just not good at the whole coming full circle idea :(

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, you are so pwnd

(Didn't know the news about NG being a remake. So basically, they're getting a remake of a prior game and MAYBE a second game, in tradeoff for having lost almost all of their exclusives...Man, I was so unfair...;))

[HeartBreakMan2k]

(Didn't know the news about NG being a remake. So basically, they're getting a remake of a prior game and MAYBE a second game, in tradeoff for having lost almost all of their exclusives...Man, I was so unfair...;))

Yeah, I mean fuck... Sony is wrecking Microsofts shit.

[Kane Knight]

To be fair, they are getting a few Box exclusives in return...Either in the form of multiplatform or getting a shift over. Most of them, however, were announced before the PS3 had such an issue with sales. Many of those developers are coming home to XB ox or going with Wii.

On the other hand, Microsoft is not only getting most of the exclsuive titles, but also it's developing its own new ones. Things like GoW hit the market hard without being previous AAA franchises.

PS3 will get a little more love once the PS2 dies down, but in a competition between the Box and the PS3, 360's kicking ass and taking names.

Then again, once people start ddeveloping for the Wii, which is still dominating sales-wise, 360 may be the one taking it to the nuts.

[chrisat928]

Actually Metal Gear Solid 4 is exclusive to PS3.
The PS3 is a better system. Blu-Ray, internet browser, FREE online gaming, easily upgradeable hard drive, PS1, PS2, PS3 games.

[Silent]

Actually Metal Gear Solid 4 is exclusive to PS3.
The PS3 is a better system. Blu-Ray, internet browser, FREE online gaming, easily upgradeable hard drive, PS1, PS2, PS3 games.

All the Metal Gear games come out to the Xbox eventually, that's been the trend since MGS2.

Also PS3's online play sucks.

[Kane Knight]

Actually Metal Gear Solid 4 is exclusive to PS3.
The PS3 is a better system. Blu-Ray, internet browser, FREE online gaming, easily upgradeable hard drive, PS1, PS2, PS3 games.

Metal Gear Solid 4 will come to the 360.

Blu-Ray: Name one proprietary format Sony has developed that has succeeded. Yeah, it's been a while, hasn't it? Blu-Ray will likely become obsolete. And since like 85% ish of people don't have HDTVs, what difference does it make?

Internetbrowser: I think it's worthless on the Wii, the DS, the PSP...Why would this be a pro?

Free Online gaming: Which is nice, in theory, but it's supposed to blow. In my opinion, worthless, since I think online gaming's for chumps.

Upgradable HDD. Did not know this, that's a point in its favour.

PS1, PS2, PS3 games: There's shit out for the PS3, and most of their exclusives are lost. If the best arguments you have for the PS3 are that you can play old games (I wonder: You can play games from many more systems on the Wii. Does Wii pwn here?), upgrade the Hard Drive, and play a disc format most people don't want or need....

Yeah, it sucks.

[Funky Fly]

Since when does the DS have a web browser and where can I get it?

[Funky Fly]

Also rofl @ PS3 being better.

It looked better on paper, but they've crapped things up pretty badly during execution.

[Kane Knight]

Since when does the DS have a web browser and where can I get it?

There's a cart-based browser. If you homebrew, there are evidently better ones.

Don't know where to get it, as it strikes me as gayer than a Kano post.

[chrisat928]

Kojima himself stated that MGS4 cannot be done on the 360. It is staying exclusive to PS3.
Besides it's being put on a 50GB Blu-Ray, if it were to be put on the 360 it would take at least 7 discs.

[Funky Fly]

Link it to a credible source, then.

[DAMN iNATOR]

PS3 needs a Katamari Damacy game.

I stand corrected. Either this guy got smart and changed his mind for some more mega-bucks or whatever, but this definitely kicks ass. IGN reports that the title in Japan will be "Beautiful Katamari Damacy" or something like that...but I have both PS2 games, never played the PSP version, but the PS2 games are awesome. I can't wait for the next-gen Katamari game.

[chrisat928]

I don't know how to link. But go to kotaku.com and search for it.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Kojima himself stated that MGS4 cannot be done on the 360. It is staying exclusive to PS3.
Besides it's being put on a 50GB Blu-Ray, if it were to be put on the 360 it would take at least 7 discs.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/625/625699p1.html

It never says that the game can't be done on the 360, just that Kojima says he'd like to make something completely different in the 360 and Wii versions if they were done. Do better research before you just come up in here making wild claims.

[chrisat928]

You do realise that article is from June 2005.

[Kane Knight]

Link it to a credible source, then.
Kojima gave a statement about how the MSG game needs the graphics of the "theater" level PS3 over the "DVD" level 360. He sas we'll have to save the OMGMGS360 banners "for another day."

None of it actually says it's not coming out. It's a nice way of implying it, but not saying anything direct. In fact, the last statement I quoted might indicate it down the line.

Throw in what Daminator posted, and it really doesn't look like an exclusive...But fanboys will see what they want.

[Funky Fly]

I don't know how to link. But go to kotaku.com and search for it.
Um, you go to the page, copy what's in the address bar and paste into a reply. That's really simple. I did a quick search and saw nothing of the sort anyway.

[Funky Fly]

Kojima gave a statement about how the MSG game needs the graphics of the "theater" level PS3 over the "DVD" level 360. He sas we'll have to save the OMGMGS360 banners "for another day."

None of it actually says it's not coming out. It's a nice way of implying it, but not saying anything direct. In fact, the last statement I quoted might indicate it down the line.

Throw in what Daminator posted, and it really doesn't look like an exclusive...But fanboys will see what they want.
I don't see what the big deal is, anyway. In the long run, this news means "winner is you" (ie. the gamer).

[Kane Knight]

I'm not sure we're winning, and I think that's why game sales are down overall.

[chrisat928]

I'm no fanboy, it's just that after having 2 different 360s break on me, I get peeved at people saying it's better than the PS3.
I'm posting this from my PS3, I don't even have a computer.

[Funky Fly]

All the systems this generation appear to have hardware problems. PS3 had the same launch crapouts as the 360. We're saying that the 360 is better because

a: it's not ridiculously overpriced because of a gimmick (Blu-Ray is a gimmick) that has a decent chance of not going over that well.

b: its online play is considerably better (even if it costs you, remember the old addage: you get what you pay for)

c: it just has a better line up of games

and finally d: their not nearly as far up their own ass as Sony's been this time around. Pissing off developers doesn't help your sales.

[Just John]

Yeah, ever since this turned into a mainstream Nintendo Vs Microsoft Vs Sony war, everyone has been trying to outdo each other, and fucking up in the process.

Me, I dont give a fuck who has what games where, I dont really understand the hate for it. I mean, I want a PS3 because I feel it has the games, the setup and the controller for me. I just like it better. If the 360 is getting MGS4then good! I hope you 360 buyers enjoy it as much as we will, same applies to other games like that. I think we all have our perks, all have our downsides.

[Kane Knight]

I'm no fanboy, it's just that after having 2 different 360s break on me, I get peeved at people saying it's better than the PS3.
I'm posting this from my PS3, I don't even have a computer.

Well, people are talking about its superiority because it's got the titles.

I'm on my 3rd 360. that doesn't change the fact that PS3 had massive problems, and continues to as well. We'll have to wait to see which has more problems in the long run, but Sony's nefarious for this shit. so that's not really a reason.

Hell, I need to send my Wii in. Doesn't much change things.

[chrisat928]

My Wii works fine.



Wow that sounds wrong.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Since when does the DS have a web browser and where can I get it?
The DS Browser comes out in North America in June, or you can import it from Europe, but personally I wouldn't bother unless you seriously need a portble web browser. It's pretty slow and doesn't have Flash or Java support. If they could come up with a portable version of the Wii Browser though, I'd snap it up instantly.

[Kane Knight]

My Wii works fine.

Then maybe you could see how stupid it sounds to complain about he quality of a system based on your experience with the product's quality.