Why can't TNA compete?

[Impeccable]

This has probably been asked hundreds of times, but I don't watch TNA so I can't really say anything on the matter. However, I just went over to their website and saw their roster and it's pretty rammed with people, who if they were in WWE, I would like to see on a regular basis.

I know they can't really compete on a monetary basis with Vince, but are there any other things that is holding them back?

Bad booking? Lack of two hour timeslot? 6 sided ring? poor commentary team? What reasons apart from money is holding them back?

[Londoner]

All those you just mentioned and something to do with how they present themselves i think has been mentioned before.

[Mr. JL]

Fuck, I absolutely cannot stand Don West & Mike Tenay on commentary. They call every little thing and then over analyze it to death. There is never a time in a match when one of them is not talking. I seriously think that is their biggest problem. They never just let the action speak for itself. Plus, add into the equation that Don West is just fucking annoying at all times.

[Mr. JL]

... But commentary is not the reason they can't compete.

The booking of the talent, the matches, the feuds and their television show is what is holding them back.

[Goulet]

This has probably been asked hundreds of times, but I don't watch TNA so I can't really say anything on the matter. However, I just went over to their website and saw their roster and it's pretty rammed with people, who if they were in WWE, I would like to see on a regular basis.

I know they can't really compete on a monetary basis with Vince, but are there any other things that is holding them back?

Bad booking? Lack of two hour timeslot? 6 sided ring? poor commentary team? What reasons apart from money is holding them back?

You anwsered your own question... Millions like you don't watch

[PepperCarrotMan]

Bad booking, Lack of two hour timeslot, 6 sided ring, poor commentary team, money, and people not knowing they exist/not watching.

[hb2k]

The wrestling landscape is such, with WWE having such a dominating lead and so much content on TV that the audience TNA needs to capture, the casuals, really have no desire to connect to it. As well as that, TNA's product isn't the best despite the talent, so it doesn't have the ability to overcome that. Plus, there's a good amount of wrestling fans that stopped watching after WCW died that aren't been captivated by TNA either, so they're really accomplishing nothing.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

TNA itself is the reason TNA can't compete.

[BigDaddyCool]

It might have to do with them refusing to make their own stars. You can compete with someone if you just use their throw outs.

[IC Champion]

Worse commentating team in Histroy, I only time i pay attention to whats bein said is if they have a third party. I never liked Mike Tenay in his WCW days and I still don't. Don West is Don West.
And yes there six sided ring needs to go, maybe have a PPV once a year with it or somethin, seems how TNA like gimmick PPV's so much.

Also I'm a fan of wrestling, so putting on a decent wrestling match week in and week out may also help, and gettin out of Orlando.

Theres plenty more but thats a couple.

[chrisat928]

Well, when they spend a week hyping a "dream match" between Sting and Kurt Angle, and have it only go for three minutes before a run-in attack on Kurt, then put Sting into a title match, which goes about eight minutes, only to end with a run-in attack on Christian, by Kurt Angle, and then have Sting baseball bat him in the gut, all the while Don West and Mike Tenay are yelling at the top of their lungs, it's not hard to see why TNA sucks.
TNAs booking is in serious need of help. They need a new announce team. Hell, I'd rather listen to Tony Schiavone.

[mannydamnxpacrock]

WCW Version 2.

[Mercury Bullet]

It might have to do with them refusing to make their own stars. You can compete with someone if you just use their throw outs.

Like AJ Styles as Christian's Half-Retarded lackey.

But anyway, I think that is there biggest issue, they build there show around WWE castaways and WCW has beens. When that is your big draw, how are you supposed to compete with the company when your biggest stars are their crap they didn't want anymore.

And they constantly bury "TNA" stars at the expensive of putting over incoming WWE rejects. And, like my example above, I like Styles and all. He works as a heel and he's fine in with Christian's stable (of sorts) and fine as a bit of a comedy character even, but he's booked to act majorly retarded and pathetic and looks like Christian is keeping him around as a Make-A-Wish thing.

[mannydamnxpacrock]

Like AJ Styles as Christian's Half-Retarded lackey.

But anyway, I think that is there biggest issue, they build there show around WWE castaways and WCW has beens. When that is your big draw, how are you supposed to compete with the company when your biggest stars are their crap they didn't want anymore.

And they constantly bury "TNA" stars at the expensive of putting over incoming WWE rejects. And, like my example above, I like Styles and all. He works as a heel and he's fine in with Christian's stable (of sorts) and fine as a bit of a comedy character even, but he's booked to act majorly retarded and pathetic and looks like Christian is keeping him around as a Make-A-Wish thing.
That's exactly what WCW did. They built their show around old WWE guys and it became a WWE retirement home. They didn't use it to build their own talent. I don't think the booking is as bad as it was before, I mean they're not overbooking everything and cramming it in as much.

[IC Champion]

Like AJ Styles as Christian's Half-Retarded lackey.

But anyway, I think that is there biggest issue, they build there show around WWE castaways and WCW has beens. When that is your big draw, how are you supposed to compete with the company when your biggest stars are their crap they didn't want anymore.

And they constantly bury "TNA" stars at the expensive of putting over incoming WWE rejects. And, like my example above, I like Styles and all. He works as a heel and he's fine in with Christian's stable (of sorts) and fine as a bit of a comedy character even, but he's booked to act majorly retarded and pathetic and looks like Christian is keeping him around as a Make-A-Wish thing.

I Like AJ as a heel, I kinda stopped payin attention for a minute after his 2000th match with Rhyno, but I like him as Christion's Lackey, maybe some of Christians personality will rub off on him.

[Kane Knight]

It's the production value, the booking, the commentators. The X-Divsion doesn't help, either. I mean, they feature a ton of lackluster flippy guys. Now, if that was successful, WCW would have lead the pack without ever touching the nWo, or revealing the dirty secrets of the upcoming Raws.

I'm not saying you need hosses to sell, but the minor leagues are an issue, you know?

Their booking is usually ass, and the only folks I can bring myself to care about full time are Sting, Cage, and Angle...Two guys from WWE and one from WCW. There are some cool guys, don't get me wrong. Daniels is fun (Not the icon he's made out to be, but I like him) and Abyss is pretty cool, but besides feeling like a second rate WCW, they book like ass, I can't stand the announcers, and everyone getting cheered makes it hard for me to dig the heels.

[Theo Dious]

That's exactly what WCW did. They built their show around old WWE guys and it became a WWE retirement home.

Bret Hart was the biggest example of that; they paid top dollar for the guy and did the promotional equivalent of sitting him in a rocker staring at the walls.

[Theo Dious]

...but besides feeling like a second rate WCW, they book like ass...

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So it's true that this guy is their new booker?

[lort]

I don't think they really know who their target audience is.

Their main audience seems to be made up of people who enjoy the Sports Entertainment style of wrestling (so ROH just isn't enough for them) but are really fed up of WWE. But as soon as WWE does things they like they'll quickly swap back. They haven't been able to capture casual fans (mainly because their roster seems to be made up of WWE castoffs and young stars who aren't getting to do anything) and the majority of the IWC can't stand it because the booking is so horrible, confused and amiss (sloppy endings, short matches, blurry line between heels and faces, bad storylines). Plus you are lucky to get 10 mins of wrestling in one show.

In the end the message seems to be "watch us because WWE is really bad at the moment" which even if it works, isn't going to work forever. Then they have silly grimmicky things to try and separate themselves from WWE, like the 6-sided ring and two entrances.

If they spent half the time thinking about booking and working with the talent they have (they seems to care more about getting ex-WWE stars than just booking their own talent) rather than trying to portray they are a threat to WWE or putting the WWE down then I think they would be much better off.

[Kane Knight]

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So it's true that this guy is their new booker?

Yeah, he paid his dues working with Dusty, so he's made for life.

[Super V]

The manatees refuse to work whenever an idea ball is taken out.

[BigDaddyCool]

Like AJ Styles as Christian's Half-Retarded lackey.


In all fairness, AJ "Faggot" Styles is a whole-retarded spot monkey, so a half-retarded lackey is a step up.

[The One]

It's a simple matter of why would anyone want to watch TNA? WCW got the castaway stars of WWE but didn't make real progress until the nWo came along. They made a noise that people payed attention to. TNA...doesn't. TNA's booking and style is similar to that of WCW in it's later years when it was still coasting off the success it enjoyed several years earlier. The biggest problem being that TNA doesn't have the history to back up a half asses lazy product.

Plus Don West makes me turn off the TV.

[Super V]

In all fairness, AJ "Faggot" Styles is a whole-retarded spot monkey, so a half-retarded lackey is a step up.
Hey hey he aint no faggot. He hates faggots actually. AJ Styles is the man. I remember reading these RoH fans bitching about him yelling out the word faggot to Austin Aries everytime he chopped him.

[The One]

Hey hey he aint no faggot. He hates faggots actually. AJ Styles is the man. I remember reading these RoH fans bitching about him yelling out the word faggot to Austin Aries everytime he chopped him.

AJ "Faggot" Styles is a faggot. And if by "the man" you mean "flaming bag of dog shit" than yes, he is.

[BigDaddyCool]

Hey hey he aint no faggot. He hates faggots actually. AJ Styles is the man. I remember reading these RoH fans bitching about him yelling out the word faggot to Austin Aries everytime he chopped him.

So, he is a homosexual homophobe. He is still a faggot bitch. That and RoH fans don't actaully exist so you story is complete bullshit.

[BigDaddyCool]

Hey hey he aint no faggot. He hates faggots actually. AJ Styles is the man. I remember reading these RoH fans bitching about him yelling out the word faggot to Austin Aries everytime he chopped him.

Another thing is why are you proud that AJ "Takes it up the ass" Styles is proud about being a homophobic piece of shit?

[Stickman]

Basically, it sucks. TBH.

[Stickman]

Also, Jeff Jarrett would be a smackdown "star" in the United States title scene, yet he's the go to guy in TNA.

[St. Jimmy]

TNA has the next big face of Wrestling (as introduced by Kevin Nash):

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[chrisat928]

I used to like Jay Lethal.

[Kane Knight]

Yes, AJ's a faggot. Yes, he also hates gays. Hating gays doesn't make you any less of a faggot yourself.

[mannydamnxpacrock]

Bret Hart was the biggest example of that; they paid top dollar for the guy and did the promotional equivalent of sitting him in a rocker staring at the walls.
True. BTW, I only repped you with his pic because I saw your Kliq sig and I was trying to get heat. :p

[Super V]

Another thing is why are you proud that AJ "Takes it up the ass" Styles is proud about being a homophobic piece of shit?
Because homosexuality is immoral.

[chrisat928]

Are you talking about AJs in ring gayness, or his out of ring gayness?

Anyway, TNA claims to be wrestling, but when they go to traditionally good wrestling cities, they tend to draw less than half the buildings capacity. Then they put on the stupidest PPV idea I've ever heard of, with all the matches in a cage.
I always thought cage matches were supposed to be a special, one in a while, way to end a particularly hard hitting feud. A perfect example that comes to mind, is the feud between Dusty Rhodes and Ric Flair.
Or they are a way to get over a young wrestler, an example of this is MVP vs Kane.

[The One]

Because homosexuality is immoral.

LOL, don't forget to hate them niggers too!

[The One]

True. BTW, I only repped you with his pic because I saw your Kliq sig and I was trying to get heat. :p

OH MY GOD! He posted a pic of Bret Hart on my rep sheet! :mad: I have never felt so violated in my entire life. God, this is worse than anything Jabba has ever put on there. God dammit!

[The One]

OH GOD! ANOTHER ONE! THIS ONE IS BRET HOLDING SHAWN IN THE SHARP SHOOTER! :foc: The only thing that makes me feel better about that is knowing MICHAELS didn't tap. :p

But no seriously, fuck you mannydamncocksucker. Can I get a mod to delete those?

[Kane Knight]

Because homosexuality is immoral.

And AJ's Ass-Depp in sin.

[Kane Knight]

LOL, don't forget to hate them niggers too!

And Arabs.

I AM A REAL AMERICAN...

[mannydamnxpacrock]

Don't forget wetbacks. :shifty:

[SammyG]

Shut up CC

[Super V]

I don't get why I should hate black people and other races. I never said i hated homosexuals. I just said it was wrong. I do tolerate them and their right to choose though.

[BigDaddyCool]

Because homosexuality is immoral.

Homosexuality is only immoral if you are a Jew, Christian, or Muselm. Now if you are a manly man, like say a Spartan, then it is cool.

Wait what, I forget if I'm bashing homophobes or bashing AJ "Dick suckin' Styles.

[The One]

If he was Spartan, he'd have been throw from the cliff at birth.

[BigDaddyCool]

If he was Spartan, he'd have been throw from the cliff at birth.

Probably no-sell completely destorying any logic to the cliff toss.

[The One]

I think that if there was one area the Spartans needed improvment, it was the cliff toss. They could have made an entire event out of it and seen who could hold the record for greatest distance with the babytoss. :y:

[PepperCarrotMan]

I think that if there was one area the Spartans needed improvment, it was the cliff toss. They could have made an entire event out of it and seen who could hold the record for greatest distance with the babytoss. :y:

WWE needs to capitalize on this movie and bring in a guy (like Colt Cabana) with a Spartan gimmick.

He should debut on Smackdown and go "THIS IS SMAAAAAACKDOWN".

Then he goes ONE ON ONE WITH THA UNDATAKAH!!!!

(and wins)

[Jordan]

Reasons I don't like TNA

The six sided ring is stupid and reminds me of lucha libre and that is very very bad.

Scott Stiener is usually on their shows and he reminds me of WCW dying, which is really bad memories.

Ever since Joe/Styles/Daniels feuded they have nobody else to fight, nobody is as talented as them.

The production and camera angles look like WCW.

The storylines make me feel ashamed to be watching.

[Impeccable]

Ever since Joe/Styles/Daniels feuded they have nobody else to fight, nobody is as talented as them.


I might not watch TNA, but I'm sure this is not true. I have seen matches involving these three men and in my opinion, all three of them are over rated. Styles is a glorified spot monkey!!!

[Kane Knight]

I don't get why I should hate black people and other races. I never said i hated homosexuals. I just said it was wrong. I do tolerate them and their right to choose though.

You should hate them because they are godless savages. Oh, this white man's burden of ours...

[BigDaddyCool]

You should hate them because they are godless savages. Oh, this white man's burden of ours...

Wait, are we agreeing on something? :?:

[Mjdiesel]

Why do most wrestling announcers (JR and The King being sole exception) all SOUND the FUCKING same? If you, like myself, were one of the 120 people who has ever seen Wrestling Society X on MTV, those two guys sound eerily like Mike Tenay and Joey Styles.

One of the guys even does a Styles impression or homage, but it was a shittily executed "Oh My GEEEAAARRWWWD".

Styles must have rolled over in his grave and the guy is alive and extremely healthy.

[Kane Knight]

I don't think it's most. I just think it's most of them in shitty wrestling promotions. I mean, we've seen Heenan, Heyman, Taz, Monsoon, JBL, Ventura, etc. There have been a ton of announcers who have sounded fiferent or unique, or at least not like clones of one another, so....

[chrisat928]

I've thought of a few ways TNA might be able to compete with WWE.
1) Tour.
2) Get rid of Jarrett, Sting, Steiner, Nash, and Russo.
3) They need five hours of TV, not two.
4) Give Joe the title.
5) Stop hiring WWE cast-offs.
6) Push their own talent.
7) Get rid of Don West and Mike Tenay.