The ECW Champion **SPOILERS**

[JT]

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What the fuck...???

EDIT:Since the title has changed and you might be reading this for the first time...it's Vince McMahon

[Blitz]

Might wanna change the title, lest you get bitched out for spoilers.

[Fox]

Just so you know, dude, somebody is going to NAIL you on spoilers.


And it is fucking bullshit. The ECW World Title is DEAD.

[Jordan]

I LIVE IN the UK your like bad meat spoiler!

[CSL]

<font color=white>I liked the bit with the Originals backstage afterwards. If there was some kind of McMahon and friends vs. ECW war, it could turn into something fun.</font>

[JT]

Oh yea, to go into more detail for some of those who don't know the PPV results yet (fuck spoilers), he won it tonight at Backlash. I have nothing else to add to that other than what I said in the above post.

[Volchok]

WOOOOOOO VINCE IS EXREMEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

[Xero]

<font color=white>I liked the bit with the Originals backstage afterwards. If there was some kind of McMahon and friends vs. ECW war, it could turn into something fun.</font>
I'm calling it now, Umaga is joining the New Breed.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Not even gonna lie, I wish so so so much that he won like... the WCW title instead. I'm an old school ECW mutant and this is just the culmination of destroying the ECW I knew in favor of WWECW.

Mind you, I've enjoyed WWECW lately, but I dunno, the legacy just was tarnished a bit to me.

[JT]

Not even gonna lie, I wish so so so much that he won like... the WCW title instead. I'm an old school ECW mutant and this is just the culmination of destroying the ECW I knew in favor of WWECW.

Mind you, I've enjoyed WWECW lately, but I dunno, the legacy just was tarnished a bit to me.

Big Show I think tranished it...this was placing the legacy in the corner and giving it a yellow shower.

[Volchok]

lol Paul Heyman is crying somewhere right now.

[road doggy dogg]

wow I don't even care about wrestling anymore, and that's just retarded

[OverTaker]

:nono:

[Xero]

ECW was dead in 2001. Anything after that was WWECW, including the Invasion and including the original One Night Stand.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Big Show I think tranished it...this was placing the legacy in the corner and giving it a yellow shower.

Nah, I can live with Show. ECW was the land of misfit toys, the place where guys who could and should be over, got over because Paul E. could book them. Paul E could book Show like no one else. (See: The era of Lesnar)

[Xero]

Heyman was booking during the Lesnar era? I thought it was after that?

[HeartBreakMan2k]

ECW was dead in 2001. Anything after that was WWECW, including the Invasion and including the original One Night Stand.

The reformation of ECW on Raw was perfect, it did go to shit however when they joined WCW. I however, wrote that off to the alliance and less to WWECW. I enjoyed both original ONS however.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Heyman was booking during the Lesnar era? I thought it was after that?

I was pretty sure he was essintially in charge of booking the progression of Lesnar as well as the feud with Brock and Show.

Coulda swore he had a role in Smackdown at the time. Hence the awesomeness of the Smackdown Six as well.

[KingofOldSchool]

:rofl:

[SammyG]

WHAT THE FUCK THANKS FOR RUINING MY ONLY MARK OUT MOMENT FOR THE YEAR

[The Naitch]

hahahahahahaha

I didn't even know that Backlash was tonight. That's because WWE is pretty terrible

[SammyG]

DUDE JT KOOL. STOP SNITCHING THE RESULTS OF BACKLASH

[Bad Company]

lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

[Dorkchop]

I hated Lashley as the ECW champ. I should really hate this, but I don't. I don't like it though.

ECW died in 2001 so what the fuck should I care anyway? If Vince winning the title makes for a really good storyline/angle then I won't mind too much.

It'd be sweet if Vince defends it a few times in harcore rules matches. It won't happen, but it would be sweet.

I'd rather Vince win the WWECW title than World or WWE (again).

[Splaya]

Calling it right now. Lashley comes out tommorow night and says that on ECW on Tuesday, he will exercise his right to a rematch in an extreme rules match, but Shane and Umage cannot interfere.


Then Vince retains :shifty:

[Nervous Ferret]

See you all April 4th

[SammyG]

already made that joke

[Mercury Bullet]

WELL FUCK! THIS WAS GOING TO BE THE ONE THING I MARKED OUT FOR IN 2007! NAY, MY WHOLE LIFE! MY WHOLE LIVE I HAVE FUCKING WAITED TO SEE VINCENT KENNEDY MCMAHON WIN THE EC F'N W TITLE AND THIS LITTLE CUNT SPOILS IS FOR ME!!!

FUCK THIS PLACE!







:p

Couldn't stop myself....

But seriously, Mr. McMahon as the champ is major crap.

[SammyG]

Vince Mcmahon should unify the titles.

[thedamndest]

Now we will see him bring back WCW so he can say he won all three. Hell, why not just win the fucking King of the Ring next year, Vince? You earned it, big guy.

[Mercury Bullet]

Vince Mcmahon should unify the titles.

I wouldn't stop at just unifying the World titles either. Both tag belts, IC, US, Cruiser, bring back the Euro and get it, same with Hardcore, buy TNA and NWA naming rights and get the X-Division and NWA Strap...he could just come out draped in gold and declare himself perpetual supreme overlord of all of wrestling and retire all the belts.

[Corkscrewed]

DUDE!!! THIS MAKES VINCE ONE OF THE (relatively) FEW TWO-FED CHAMPS IN THE WORLD!!! :shifty:

[Mercury Bullet]

DUDE!!! THIS MAKES VINCE ONE OF THE (relatively) FEW TWO-FED CHAMPS IN THE WORLD!!! :shifty:

Ugh, I hadn't even thought of that little statistic. :nono:

That makes it even worse.

[FourFifty]

WHEN THE FUCK DID WWE LET CC BOOK!?!??!?!?!

[FourFifty]

When The Big Show was champion I said I wasn't going to watch until he no longer had the title. Then when he lost it to Lashley, I said the same thing. Well you know what? I'm still not going to watch it? Why? It's not just Vince as champion, it's this bullshit booking. God, I just lost all will to live and for the first time ever I feel some shame in being a wrestling fan.

[dablackguy]

Why not just have Vince come down into a ring with the ECW originals, shit on the belt. Legitimately murder the originals and just burn down the 'ECW' ring.

Keep it short and sweet.

We all know this incarnation of ECW is a shell of what ECW actually was. It humiliates both Vince for trying and us for bearing witness. I can live with it, for the sake of him trying to make money as I don't knock people trying to make money. I'll also admit that I don't give a shit about Bobby Lashley.

But was that really necessary?

This is gonna help the struggling franchise known as ECW. We make the man who was the counterpoint of the ECW movement its champion. We have him go over someone who is supposed to be one of the next big stars in the business. We make him the forefront of "ECW's" 'evolution' (de-evolution anyone?) and on top of that, we have him mock the originals because Vince knows about what made those guys great...

Give me a fucking break. Yeah, I know. To the victor go the spoils, but beyond the obvious(this screaming massive ego rub) it tells me that Vince has completely lost touch with anything remotely resembling reality. Yeah, its been a long drawn out angle and sure, maybe they're going somewhere with it. However, let's consider A: Vince has always done crap like this and B: Its WWE. Which tells me its not going anywhere. Sorry to rant, but I was disgusted watching that unfold.

[Anybody Thrilla]

You guys aren't even gonna give the reign the chance to suck?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm not so upset that Vince is the Champion, but it's rather the mentality behind it. I mean, come on, is there any other reason he made himself Champion so he could make Paul Heyman kill himself, so the WWE doesn't have to worry about him going to another promotion and they can stop paying his paychecks?

I think I said it in another thread: Out of the challengers, Vince has the best chance at winning, but both Umaga and Shane McMahon would be preferable Champions. Shane McMahon would actually be a really fun ECW Champion. He puts the New Breed into matches to wear down his enemies, and when he does have to defend, he puts on a pretty good show. Some could argue Vince can do that, but let's just face it, Shane is more likable than Vince.

A lot of people have made comments about how this will lead to The Originals going after Vince McMahon's head (if they were smart, they'd bring back Paul Heyman as a mouthpiece for them, as well), and Umaga possibly joining the New Breed (whereas Lashley would join the Originals). This could be pretty cool.

Another idea that just popped into my head, though:

Who else would mark out like a little bitch if Vince was celebrating his title win on RAW, and Mr. Kennedy came out to congratulate him, then just suddenly said "Hey Vince, guess when I'm cashing in my Money in the Bank title shot?" for no other reason than for us to see Mr. Kennedy slap around Vince for a bit, and then beat him for the ECW World Championship. It wouldn't make too much sense, but it would be a mark out moment and a half.

[Dave Youell]

Spoken like a true optimist there.

And a Kennedy run in would be super sweet

[Pepsi Man]

Kennedy cashing in for the ECW World Title, McMahon or not, does nothing for me. Also, this is like a step down for Vince. A former WWF Champion now reigning as the ECW Champion.

[Impact!]

I'm not to bothered by Vince winning the title at all tbh. It's given me another reason to tune into ECW to find out what's going to happen now.

The way I'd like to this go would be to have Vince pay off the New Breed to protect him during his matches (While Umaga and Shane keep tabs on Lashley). So everytime he is forced to defend his title (by the board of directors) the New Breed just demolishes his opponents. Eventually you have an RVD V Vince McMahon match scheduled, the New Breed attacks RVD, but the Originals come in to even the score. A brawl ensues, and the Originals gain the advantage. Umaga and Shane come out though, and the combined might of NB, Umaga, Shane and Estrada are to much. Just when it seems the numbers will be to much Lashley comes out and starts to take out everything that moves., but even Lashley can't overcome these odds. Elijah Burke sets up for the Elijah Express but CM Punk hits him with a clothsline. Punk leaves and the originals fight back, and once again the favour turns to Lashley and the Originals. Finally after a long battle RVD rolls into the ring and the match begins, while the rest of the Originals + Lashley battle against Umaga, Estrada, Shane, and the NB.

Van Dam knocks Vince around the ring, hitting the usual spots (Rolling Thunder, Split Legged Moonsault, Spinning Kick onto railing from ringside, so forth). RVD then finally knocks Vince down and goes up to the top rope for the 5 Star Frog Splash. RVD goes for the R-V-D thumb pose but before he actually jumps CM Punk comes through the crowd, crotches RVD on the ropes, puts him onto his shoulders and hits the G2S, then goes up top and hits RVD with a 5 Star Drug Free Frog Splash. Punk helps up Vince, then once Vince can hold himself up on the ropes, leaves again through the crowd. Vince smiles, and pulls himself along the ropes and smirks down on RVD, finally falling down and making the pin.

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The referee gets pulled out of the ring by...Paul Heyman. Paul grabs a chair, slides into the ring and behind Vince. Vince thinks he's won and picks himself up, turns around, and gets floored by a chair shot from Paul Heyman. Shane O'Mac see's whats going on and slides into the ring and grabs the chair from Heyman. Shane O'Mac swings Heyman ducks and Shane turns around to try again, but instead gets smashed by a Van Daminator. RVD then looks at Vince, then at the turnbuckles, smirks and goes up top. R-V-D thumbs, he jumps, hits the 5SFS, makes the pin by the returning referee, and is crowned new ECW Champion.

This woud then hopefully lead to a CM Punk V RVD match :drool:

[Londoner]

I'm not to bothered by Vince winning the title at all tbh. It's given me another reason to tune into ECW to find out what's going to happen now.

Exactly.

[Theo Dious]

Survey question.

Suppose, just suppose, that this leads to a storyline where Paul Heyman returns to ECW, brings back Rhyno and the Dudleys, and the following six months of ECW programming are Heyman and the Originals (plus Lashley) vs Vince and the New Breed (plus Umaga.) Would that be worth it?

[Londoner]

^ Yes, but i can't see that happening, this is reality, not your mind.

[KingofOldSchool]

Now is when they move ONS back to Hammerstein so Vince can walk into ONS as ECW Champion.

:rofl:

[Impact!]

That would be hilarious

[Theo Dious]

^ Yes, but i can't see that happening, this is reality, not your mind.

I was just trying to create a possible (if not at all likely) situation in which this could lead to something actually decent happening.

Apparently Vince thinks that the problem with ECW is that people don't hate it enough. God help us all if its ratings go up after this.

[KingofOldSchool]

*No Chance In Hell plays*

*Vince comes out strutting with the ECW Title in tow*

Vince: This can't be a show at the "House of Hardcore" without the ECW Champion. You can't start a show at the old ECW stomping grounds without the FACE of E...C...W. That's right we can't start One Night Stand without ME...VINCENT...KENNEDY...MAC-MAHON!!!

*Vince holds up the ECW Title*

Vince: I sat back for years watching ECW and I realized that ECW needed a champion who can literally say that they ARE the face of E...C...W. ECW needed someone who can be EXTREME. And no one in the World is as EX-TREME as Vincent Kennedy McMahon. And ECW needed someone who is championship savvy, well as being a former WWE Champion and YOUR current ECW Champion, I know more about championships than anyone else in ECW history. That's two. As for wrestling? Well I may not be technically sound, but dammit compared to everyone else in ECW, I'M RIC FLLLAAAIR!!!!

*Vince struts around like Ric Flair*

Vince: Okay, Justin Roberts come here please I've got something very important for you to do.

*Justin Roberts, ring announcer for ECW goes into the ring*

Roberts: Ladies and gentleman, the winner of the match and the NEEEWWWW ECW World Champion...VINCE...MCMAHON!

*Vince jumps up and down like he's won the Superbowl*

[Rammsteinmad]

:nono:

As much as I don't like Lashley, I woulda preferred if he just retained the title.

[KingofOldSchool]

Lashley has NO...CHANCE...IN HEELLLL!

[Xero]

NO CHANCE! That's what he's got!

[Kane Knight]

Survey question.

Suppose, just suppose, that this leads to a storyline where Paul Heyman returns to ECW, brings back Rhyno and the Dudleys, and the following six months of ECW programming are Heyman and the Originals (plus Lashley) vs Vince and the New Breed (plus Umaga.) Would that be worth it?

Not going to happen, so it's rather moot.

Remember, kids, asking "what if this is going somewhere good" is a loaded question, because it presumes competence.

So anyway, what happened?


Bobby didn't overcome the odds.
ECW's title just earned more Raw TV time.
Vince is totally entrenched in two main event scenes now....Sweet Jeebus, I know what I'm not watching.

[Londoner]

Vince being ECW champ interests me more than any of the other choices they would've had, i just fear what could happen(Vince going over RVD...)

[Xero]

Shane would have been the best choice out of the three, because at least he can wrestle in the ECW style.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think an angle where Shane McMahon or Umaga won the ECW Title would have done just as much for the brand, but that might just be me.

I was looking forward to ECW starting with CM Punk cutting a promo this week, about to explain why he did what he did to Elijah Burke. Then the New Breed come out, and Burke tells his associates that he knew it was a mistake letting Punk into the NB, but suddenly Burke is low blowed by Matt Striker, and then he takes a group beating from the New Breed under CM Punk's control. That is even less likely now, as Sci-Fi is going to be the Vince McMahon hour.

Here is what I would do, starting with Monday Night RAW:

Vince McMahon comes out and cuts the promo we all know he wants to cut. "I am extreme!" Boring shit. Anyway, Vince says that seeing as he loves his son, he's going to give Shane a shot at Championship gold tonight. Shane McMahon will challenge Santino Marella for the WWE Intercontinenal Championship. Also announced is Bobby Lashley vs. Umaga in a Steel Cage Match, with Vince hoping Umaga takes out Lashley once and for all.

Santino Marella proves to be a fighter, and defends the IC Title successfully against Shane McMahon in a segment in the middle of the show. The Steel Cage Match between Lashley and Umaga could probably main event if they wanted it to, and the match would feature Umaga going for a Samoan Splash from the top of the cage (ala Rikishi), which Lashley dodges. The former ECW Champ then nails Umaga with a Spear for the pin. Vince tells Shane to go finish the job on Lashley, but they do a repeat spot (underwhelming, I know), where Lashley flies into the side of the cage, and flattens Shane. Vince then finds Lashley staring up the ramp at him, so he goes to turn into the back, but "This is Extreme" begins to play, and the ECW Originals appear on stage, blocking off escape for Vince. The ECW Champion then turns around into a Spear from Lashley. They could probably take the beat-down further, with the Originals taking care of Vince, Shane, Umaga and Estrada.

ECW then opens with Shane McMahon rallying the New Breed (including Punk and Burke) in the ring. He tells that his father put them together for a reason, and Elijah Burke is leader for a reason. Shane McMahon gets into CM Punk's face and asks Punk if he can accept that. Bobby Lashley, Rob Van Dam, Sabu, Tommy Dreamer and The Sandman make their entrance, and we get a big brawl.

Dreamer goes after Thorn, Sandman goes after Striker, Sabu goes after Burke, Lashley goes after Cor Von and RVD goes after Punk. Shane bails and just watches the chaos. Burke is taken out first by Sabu. Thorn then takes out Dreamer, and then pairs up with Sabu, who discovers he didn't put Burke down hard enough, and Burke hits Sabu with an Elijah Express into the ring post. The Sandman has taken out Matt Striker, but now he finds himself on the receiving end of a double team from Thorn and Burke. Lashley takes out Marcus Cor Von, and he then manages to hold his own against Burke and Thorn. RVD actually gets the better of Punk, but when he goes up for the Five Star Frog Splash, Shane McMahon shoves him off the top rope and into the barricade at ringside. Lashley then finds himself beaten down by Burke, Thorn and Punk, as Shane, Cor Von and Striker rejoin them, and the heels stand tall.

Shane McMahon surving as Vince's mouth as the ECW Champion doesn't feel safe to appear on their shows is the way to kick off this program, I think. Eventually I'd have Paul Heyman instated as ECW's General Manager by the Board of Directors, and he compells Vince to defend the ECW World Championship against the winner of the five-way match between the Originals. Bobby Lashley wins, and we get Vince vs. Bobby for the Title, where the Black Bulldozer regains his World Championship.

[Londoner]

Shane would have been the best choice out of the three, because at least he can wrestle in the ECW style.


I suppose, but i meant Vince is the best cause he gets the most heat from it.

[BigDaddyCool]

So, Vince is now a 2 time world champion?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Shane would have been the best choice out of the three, because at least he can wrestle in the ECW style.

Exactly. I mean, Vince can work the occasional hardcore match here and there, but Shane is just a whole lot...um, ECWish in the way he does it. I personally think the only reason Vince won the belt was because his ego wanted to masturbate over ECW's history being under his thumb. A Shane win would have made the most sense, following by an Umaga win.

Trust the WWE to go with the most absurd possible outcome of the match.

[Xero]

I suppose, but i meant Vince is the best cause he gets the most heat from it.
In that way, definitely, but Shane could have had an actual run, Vince will likely wrestle once on TV (probably on RAW) then drop it back to Lashley at the next PPV.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So, Vince is now a 2 time world champion?

Yep. Well, I guess. I'm not sure the WWE recognised the ECW Title as a World Title, sadly. I mean, if they did, they would have pointed out that Mr. Kennedy had beaten eight World Champions after he beat Sabu. Now he's technically beaten ten, but they aren't counting (Edge and Randy Orton in MITB at WrestleMania). So meh. If this makes the ECW Title actually meaningful to the WWE, I guess it could be worth it. I just hope Vince doesn't have a long reign.

The whole two-time World Champion thing is another reason why Shane should have gone over. Vince has been WWE Champion, and his more talented son has only ever been European and Hardcore Champion. An ECW World Title run could have legitimised the Shane McMahon character as top heel.

It's a little sad to look as Vince McMahon's resume:

-1999 Royal Rumble Winner
-WWE Champion
-ECW World Champion

That's a lot better than most guys ever get.

[Xero]

http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/superstars/mrmcmahon/photos1/vkmecwworldchamp/VKM_Champ_13.jpg

Good lord, he looks like the bastard child of New Jack and Bob Backlund.

[Londoner]

-1999 Royal Rumble Winner

Its one thing to win a title, but i can't imagine what the reactions were when he won the rumble.

[Theo Dious]

Not going to happen, so it's rather moot.

Remember, kids, asking "what if this is going somewhere good" is a loaded question, because it presumes competence.

The point of asking is to really ask the question, is there anything intrinsically wrong with Vince becoming ECW champion? The answer is something like "not necessarily," except that we know it's part of a pattern of behavior that WON'T end well.

[Theo Dious]

-1999 Royal Rumble Winner

Its one thing to win a title, but i can't imagine what the reactions were when he won the rumble.

It wasn't that bad, really, because at that time Vince wasn't well known for booking his own ego.

[FourFifty]

Now is when they move ONS back to Hammerstein so Vince can walk into ONS as ECW Champion.

:rofl:

Do you really want Vince to get shot?

[SammyG]

I would be pissed if Kennedy cashed in for the ECW belt. He better be champ on Raw.

[Londoner]

Can't see Kennedy as ECW champ now, makes no sense.

[Kane Knight]

The point of asking is to really ask the question, is there anything intrinsically wrong with Vince becoming ECW champion? The answer is something like "not necessarily," except that we know it's part of a pattern of behavior that WON'T end well.

The problem is, the answer's not "not necessarily," It's "in an extreme hypothetical only, no."

Liken this to the torture debate for a moment. What you're asking is "If torture could viably provide real results despite all studies and evidence to the contrary, and you had an hour to get answers, would torture be okay?

Sure. E xtremes blur the line. But they don't make the actual reality any more acceptable.

[addy2hotty]

-1999 Royal Rumble Winner

Its one thing to win a title, but i can't imagine what the reactions were when he won the rumble.

For me, that worked alright. I wasn't even slightly pissed by it, as it was in the middle of the Corporation vs Austin war.

This, however, beggars belief.

Surely this places Vince up there in the 'oldest ever World Champions' stakes, and by the photo, I'd say he's going to hang onto it for a while too.

[Londoner]

^ Well i think Vince did it to shock people and get people interested in ECW, im certainly interested now as lashley was getting boring.

[Nowhere Man]

Oh well. I haven't watched a single episode of the new "ECW" since its inception. Don't think I'll start watching any time soon.

[IC Champion]

Paul Heyman just rolled in his grave.

As if ECW wasnt already unwatchable, I hope the brand dies now.

[KingofOldSchool]

http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/superstars/mrmcmahon/photos1/vkmecwworldchamp/VKM_Champ_13.jpg

Good lord, he looks like the bastard child of New Jack and Bob Backlund.

And Gregory Helms.

[KingofOldSchool]

All hail the King of Extreme...VINCENT...KENNEDY...MCMAHON!

[Stickman]

hahahahahahaha

I didn't even know that Backlash was tonight. That's because WWE is pretty terrible
Took the words right out of my mouth.

[Londoner]

Backlash was a good PPV though.

[Corkscrewed]

I'm not to bothered by Vince winning the title at all tbh. It's given me another reason to tune into ECW to find out what's going to happen now.

The way I'd like to this go would be to have Vince pay off the New Breed to protect him during his matches (While Umaga and Shane keep tabs on Lashley). So everytime he is forced to defend his title (by the board of directors) the New Breed just demolishes his opponents. Eventually you have an RVD V Vince McMahon match scheduled, the New Breed attacks RVD, but the Originals come in to even the score. A brawl ensues, and the Originals gain the advantage. Umaga and Shane come out though, and the combined might of NB, Umaga, Shane and Estrada are to much. Just when it seems the numbers will be to much Lashley comes out and starts to take out everything that moves., but even Lashley can't overcome these odds. Elijah Burke sets up for the Elijah Express but CM Punk hits him with a clothsline. Punk leaves and the originals fight back, and once again the favour turns to Lashley and the Originals. Finally after a long battle RVD rolls into the ring and the match begins, while the rest of the Originals + Lashley battle against Umaga, Estrada, Shane, and the NB.

Van Dam knocks Vince around the ring, hitting the usual spots (Rolling Thunder, Split Legged Moonsault, Spinning Kick onto railing from ringside, so forth). RVD then finally knocks Vince down and goes up to the top rope for the 5 Star Frog Splash. RVD goes for the R-V-D thumb pose but before he actually jumps CM Punk comes through the crowd, crotches RVD on the ropes, puts him onto his shoulders and hits the G2S, then goes up top and hits RVD with a 5 Star Drug Free Frog Splash. Punk helps up Vince, then once Vince can hold himself up on the ropes, leaves again through the crowd. Vince smiles, and pulls himself along the ropes and smirks down on RVD, finally falling down and making the pin.

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The referee gets pulled out of the ring by...Paul Heyman. Paul grabs a chair, slides into the ring and behind Vince. Vince thinks he's won and picks himself up, turns around, and gets floored by a chair shot from Paul Heyman. Shane O'Mac see's whats going on and slides into the ring and grabs the chair from Heyman. Shane O'Mac swings Heyman ducks and Shane turns around to try again, but instead gets smashed by a Van Daminator. RVD then looks at Vince, then at the turnbuckles, smirks and goes up top. R-V-D thumbs, he jumps, hits the 5SFS, makes the pin by the returning referee, and is crowned new ECW Champion.

This woud then hopefully lead to a CM Punk V RVD match :drool:

If I was The One Classic, I would make sweet sweet love to you now.

[D Mac]

But RVD is leaving right?

[6to1]

i am just glaqd he did not give himself the wcw belt in 2001. he just took a big ole crap on the old ecw belt, i can't wait to see what rvd says when he goes to tna.

[The One]

I don't care. ECW is Vince's property now, and anyone who confuses what ECW was with anything that Vince McMahon is doing now was not even that hardcore of an ECW fan to begin with. This is a totally different promotion now, it's not ECW, it never was ECW. It has a couple of ECW guys in it and the same name. Whoopity Doo! Accept this is just McMahon taking his Last Place World Title, and using it as a gimmick because him as Champ does make some kind of interest in it. Honestly, I'd take McMahon over Lashley...

[Londoner]

Honestly, I'd take McMahon over Lashley...

Same here, im looking forward to his first promo as ECW champ.

[DAMN iNATOR]

But RVD is leaving right?

If he does, nobody'd better snitch about it to TNA...:shifty:

[Jeritron]

Everyone needs to stop judging things at face value. Vince is the ECW champion. Okay, on paper that statement is absurd. But in the context of what happened, where ECW was before this, and where it could go now, As well as how great this could potentially turn into with a McMahon led New Breed and turmoil between them and the disgusted Originals (essentially being one big shoot).

Everyone needs to stop complaining about the legacy and name of ECW and Vince shitting on it. It's gone and you all know that. If he's gonna use it, and feels compelled to change it, at least go all out. At least do shit like this and adress the new vision versus the old legacy. The ECW of old has been dead for 6 years other than a few reunion shows and dvd sets. The new ECW is what it is and you've all known that for a year now. I'd much rather see something like this than an uneventful sunday night heat-esque version of it.

[Londoner]

^ Thanks jeritron for saying i wanted to say but couldn't find the words to.

[Jeritron]

It's just become the cool thing to say "this is a disgrace to ECW". Well, guess what, it's really not that bad. You have to understand that ECW is and has been dead. If you don't like it, don't watch but I don't think anyone should be losing sleep over it. I'm sure Dreamer, Styles and Tazz are fine with the checks. The old ECW is the original ECW and nothing's gonna change that.
I used to love ECW, but even I like this development. I like it way more than I liked ECW a few months ago. It's just a different show with 3 familiar letters tagged onto it. It doesn't take much to seperate the past from the present, so just live with it. Don't watch it if you don't want to. Nobody's being hurt here. Heyman was fine bringing ECW to Vince and collecting. And I'm sure Dreamer and Sandman are happy to have action figure royalties and Wrestlemania paychecks.

So why are all the ECW fans, (most of which probably never watched it when it was around, but think its cool and shit cuz it's underground) all bent out of shape? Does this change anything that happened originally? It's just become the 'cool' thing to hate and loathe WWECW and Vince and think you're sticking up for the good of a promotion that you probably didn't even follow until it was long dead. It's become cool to see "Vince McMahon ECW champion" and instantly use it as a vehicle to express how much of a hardcore purist you are. Congrats, you're hardcore. But they don't care and neither should you.
Also, how many who are 'disgusted' actually watched it transpire, or watch WWECW regularly? If you didn't care for it all and were disgusted a week ago, how's this change anything? If you were fed up and done with this crap a year ago why is it still a huge disgrace?

[thedamndest]

I don't have a problem with Vince being ECW champion. I just don't get the point of ECW. It's not the same as it was and never will be, so why not just do what they're doing on ECW on a show that people watch. Originals/New Breed could have been just as good a feud on Smackdown without really invoking the ECW name and just being a faction war (something that has been missing in WWE for awhile now). I guess as long as ECW is getting ratings and turning a profit it will continue, but it seems like it's just another way of diluting the quality of the overall product to collect more dollars for the shareholders.

It would make sense if ECW was trying to capture a niche market of people that liked "hardcore" wrestling, but they're not even that. So why squander promising young talent over in ECW when they're just going to job to Cena or anyone else on Raw in the long run.

[Jeritron]

Explain to me how a New School vs Originals fued would have roots on smackdown.

[Goulet]

http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/news/lashleyshoulder

Former ECW World Champion Bobby Lashley is in Birmingham, Ala. today waiting to meet with renowned orthopedic surgeon Dr. James Andrews to have his shoulder examined after suffering an injury during last night’s 3-on-1 Handicap Match at Backlash.

Lashley lost the championship last night to Mr. McMahon after the Chairman, Shane McMahon and Umaga overwhelmed him during the Handicap Match. It has been suggested that Lashley's shoulder injury has been lingering since WrestleMania 23. Lashley may have further aggravated the injury during his match last night. WWE.com will give more updates as they become available.

Dr. Andrews is respected as the preeminent physician athletes seek when they suffer sports injuries. He has performed surgery on Triple H after “The Game” tore his quadriceps muscles on two separate occasions.

[Kane Knight]

ECW is ass. The only reason it's bullshit to say it's a disgrace is that it's a fifth tier of a fake business.

[KingofOldSchool]

All hail the King of Extreme...VINCENT...KENNEDY...MCMAHON!

[thedamndest]

Explain to me how a New School vs Originals fued would have roots on smackdown.

It wouldn't. But I would rather see these talents feud over something that wasn't "the legacy of ECW" or whatever the hell it is. Keep the same stables and all, They have the makings of something hot in this feud, but I just feel like since they're on the C show it won't really be as effective as if they were on Raw or SD! This is a dream world where they didn't go ahead and make a shitty one hour "ECW" show on Sci-Fi.

[Fox]

It's just become the cool thing to say "this is a disgrace to ECW". Well, guess what, it's really not that bad. You have to understand that ECW is and has been dead. If you don't like it, don't watch but I don't think anyone should be losing sleep over it. I'm sure Dreamer, Styles and Tazz are fine with the checks. The old ECW is the original ECW and nothing's gonna change that.
I used to love ECW, but even I like this development. I like it way more than I liked ECW a few months ago. It's just a different show with 3 familiar letters tagged onto it. It doesn't take much to seperate the past from the present, so just live with it. Don't watch it if you don't want to. Nobody's being hurt here. Heyman was fine bringing ECW to Vince and collecting. And I'm sure Dreamer and Sandman are happy to have action figure royalties and Wrestlemania paychecks.

So why are all the ECW fans, (most of which probably never watched it when it was around, but think its cool and shit cuz it's underground) all bent out of shape? Does this change anything that happened originally? It's just become the 'cool' thing to hate and loathe WWECW and Vince and think you're sticking up for the good of a promotion that you probably didn't even follow until it was long dead. It's become cool to see "Vince McMahon ECW champion" and instantly use it as a vehicle to express how much of a hardcore purist you are. Congrats, you're hardcore. But they don't care and neither should you.
Also, how many who are 'disgusted' actually watched it transpire, or watch WWECW regularly? If you didn't care for it all and were disgusted a week ago, how's this change anything? If you were fed up and done with this crap a year ago why is it still a huge disgrace?


As fans of the product, we have every right to express our distaste for McMahon's blatant acts of self felatio in the forms of booking himself in main events and title matches.

ECW is most certainly dead and buried. From the very first edition of ECW on Sci-Fi, it was apparent to everyone that this "new breed" of ECW wasn't even going to show a glimmer of what the old ECW represented. Still though, the fact remains that they are using the ECW name for its lineage in wrestling history, as well as the ECW Title. And if they want their title or their brand to maintain that lineage, they need to make it mean something.

Putting the ECW Title on Vince McMahon demeans the belt and the brand itself. There are so many other guys on the roster who could have used that title run more than Vince. He's only doing it to keep himself in the limelight, since he doesn't really have a feud going on anymore. It's a pathetic grasp at the brass ring for an old man, at the cost of the ECW Title's prestige, and the intelligence of WWE fans.


It's just really, really fucking stupid.

[Kane Knight]

ECW is not demeaned by Vince's presence. It was demeaned a long time ago, by Vince's checkbook, writers, and "New Breed" stars.

Seriously, if you're a fan, if you're still watching this shit, you've only yourself to blame.

[Better Than You]

ECW is the best program the WWE offers.

[Kane Knight]

ECW is a flaming pile of dogshit. Vince is merely the paper bag.

[Better Than You]

Pretty subjective either way.