Metallica or Guns N Roses?

[D Mac]

Let's settle this once and for all TL. :mad:

[D Mac]

http://tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=46353

Results don't lie.

[Londoner]

People who know good music vote GnR, people who don't know what they're on about, vote Metallica. Unfortunately, it seems most people don't know what they're on about. ;)

Anyway, regardless of what this poll says, GnR made great music that will never be forgotten, Metallica have just been around for longer so people are more likely to vote for them based on that.

[Blitz]

G 'N' R, pretty easily.

[Londoner]

Blitz, you're my favourite poster now.

[D Mac]

Blitz, The One was right.

[Londoner]

The one was wrong.

The one can only ever be right if he's a GnR fan.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

GnR

[Kane Knight]

Metallica. Don't get me wrong, Lars sucks. And Metallica are a bunch of cocksuckers. And they're overrated. But MEtallica > GnR.

[D Mac]

Fair enough KK. :heart:

[Rammsteinmad]

Metallica.

[Stickman]

GNR is pretty over rated

[Skippord]

Megadeth

[Londoner]

GNR is pretty over rated

Overrated in what sense? They made a massive impact during their short time they were around and were the biggest band at the time. Its not the length of time a band is around for that matters, but the impact made.

[Shisen Kopf]

GnR by far. Metallica are ok I guess but GnR has better songs and Slash is a better guitarist and all that.

[Londoner]

^ Exactly. Slash > anyone in Metallica. Infact, Slash > anyone. Atleast with GnR, you aren't getting the same songs over and over, they actually tried to be creative.

[Requiem]

Yeah, Metallica isn't too popular these days.. but they are better than Guns n Roses. A lot better.

[Kane Knight]

GNR is pretty over rated

Now what was it Funky said the last time you made a comment like that?

[Requiem]

GNR is pretty over rated

Overrated in what sense? They made a massive impact during their short time they were around and were the biggest band at the time. Its not the length of time a band is around for that matters, but the impact made.

Dunno.. for all the old rock I used to listen to, the only songs I even remember by GnR are "Welcome to the Jungle" and "Sweet Child of Mine", and the second is only because of Guitar Hero 2. But, I know I've listened to a lot more than that by GnR.

Not a very big impact if I can only remember 2 songs that they did.

[Stickman]

Dunno.. for all the old rock I used to listen to, the only songs I even remember by GnR are "Welcome to the Jungle" and "Sweet Child of Mine", and the second is only because of Guitar Hero 2. But, I know I've listened to a lot more than that by GnR.

Not a very big impact if I can only remember 2 songs that they did.

There's my answer.

[Stickman]

NOw there's a coincidence, guess what's being played on the radio right now, and guess what the only GNR song I ever hear is on right now....Welcome to the Jungle.

[Stickman]

I really want to change the station cuz I'm sick of this song.

[Londoner]

Dunno.. for all the old rock I used to listen to, the only songs I even remember by GnR are "Welcome to the Jungle" and "Sweet Child of Mine", and the second is only because of Guitar Hero 2. But, I know I've listened to a lot more than that by GnR.

Not a very big impact if I can only remember 2 songs that they did.

The world is bigger than you and what you remember. I've got loads of stuff from them on youtube of their live performances, if you like that sort of music you'll like them. Check how many times comments such as 'best band in the world' come after the video. If songs can stay with someone after 15 years(like don't cry has..seen someone comment about that before on there) then thats a pretty big impact.

[Anathema]

The Spaghetti Incident should be burned!

At least Metallica's bad albums were still good. SI was just pure crap

[Londoner]

^ Metallicas bad albums were shit. The only songs i really like from them are 'Unforgiven' and 'Nothing else matters', every other song is the same rubbish tbh.

[Stickman]

Nothing else matters? Thats from their highest selling record. Shit eh?

[Londoner]

I said I liked it, i don't get what your point is. read my point again. Anyway, its cool. Don't mean to come off negatively here, just arguing why GnR aren't overrated like some people think, you need to hear them live really to understand the impact they had.

[Kane Knight]

He's a huuuuge Metallica fan. One of the most overrated bands ever. Don't sweat him too much.

Seriously, you could put forth the argument that people only remember, say, "Enter Sandman" and "the Unforgiven." Or your choices work. People could cherry pick shit as much as they wanted. But it doesn't matter.


To be honest, GNR probably are overrated. outside this board, though, I don't know anyone who really likes them beyond a few songs, so I can't call them overrated from my specific experience. They've never been hyped, to me, as revolutionary or groundbreaking or "best ever."

[DaveWadding]

Take me down to the Paradise City
where the grass is green and the girls are pretty

OH WONT YOU PLEASE TAKE ME HOMEEEEEEEE

[Zen v.W.o.]

^ Exactly. Slash > anyone in Metallica. Infact, Slash > anyone. Atleast with GnR, you aren't getting the same songs over and over, they actually tried to be creative.


Too bad they had Axl. That's enough reason as to why they kinda suck.

[Requiem]

The world is bigger than you and what you remember. I've got loads of stuff from them on youtube of their live performances, if you like that sort of music you'll like them. Check how many times comments such as 'best band in the world' come after the video. If songs can stay with someone after 15 years(like don't cry has..seen someone comment about that before on there) then thats a pretty big impact.
I like music from that genre.. I also like those two songs that I mentioned. I don't, however, like anything else that they've done. The world is also bigger than you and what your favorite band in the world is, so obviously other people couldn't give two shits that you think GnR is the greatest band ever.

That's like me making a thread saying why Tool is better than "X" band, and expecting everyone to agree with me. I think Tool is one of the greatest bands ever, for their sheer musical talent and how they all work so well together in just (in my opinion) sounding amazing. Not their influence or whatever, but because I think they go perfect together. I think they are some of the most talented individuals in the music industry.

Does that mean I expect anyone to agree with me? No. In fact, I would expect quite a few people to disagree with me here. Now pull your panties out of your crack and go back to listening to what I consider mediocre music. :y:

[Kid Robb]

GNR :love:

[el fregadero]

November Rain is sick. GNR's version of 'Live and Let Die' is the tops as well, Req. Check those two out I say.

[el fregadero]

Metallica wins because of ...And Justice For All though.

[The Naitch]

I like GnR better

[El Fangel]

I think Metallica is better. They have more memorable songs (at least for me)

Here goes in my opinion

Kill Em All - Debut, fairly good album, solid songs
Ride The Lightning :drool:
Master Of Puppets - Had very good songs, and one that consisted of a 8 minute guitar solo
...And justice for all - very good album, I liked very much, solid songs
Black - :drool:


Load -Metallica decides to take a shit on its fans
ReLoad - Just about pulls pants up, and realizes why not shit some more
Garage Inc - Wiped the shit off the fans face
S&M - Pissed on the fans
St Anger - Toilet backs up.

Ok, now for all the albums I shit on, a few have some Gems, St Anger has Dirty Window, for example.

As for GnR I really don't know much more then, Welcome to the Jungle, and Sweet Child of Mine. Guess I just didn't listen to them that much.

[D Mac]

Load was a solid album. S&M was awesome. Only Metallica could have pulled that off. No Leaf Clover is an amazing song.

I do admit St Anger is pure shit.

[Downunder]

Metallica, no contest

[D Mac]

I love you, Aussie. :D

[Requiem]

Yeah, S&M was amazing. Dunno what you're on about FA.

[D Mac]

My favorite song on Load is Bleeding Me. Love that fucking song.

[thedamndest]

Tough call here. Both bands have had hits, misses, and bad covers. I suppose it depends on what era of Metallica. Eh, catch me on a different day and I probably would have voted for GNR, both are sweet.

But really Cliff Burton > everyone in those bands

[Skippord]

Seriously Megadeth

[Kane Knight]

Load was a solid album. S&M was awesome. Only Metallica could have pulled that off.

There are things which are so out-of-step with reality that they make the author sound so amazingly stupid, you have to just smile at them.

:)

[Mr Regal]

Metallica:y:

G&Rs are good an all, but Metallica fucking own them.

[D Mac]

There are things which are so out-of-step with reality that they make the author sound so amazingly stupid, you have to just smile at them.

:)


explain

[Londoner]

Metallica:y:

G&Rs are good an all, but Metallica fucking own them.

I would say this is closer to the truth, Metallica are good an all, but GnR fucking own them(i dont need a poll to back up my opinion).:cool:

Nah but seriously, im not surprised Metallica are just about winning this, just because they have lasted longer.

[D Mac]

No excuses. :p

[Londoner]

Haha, I said this before the votes really got going anyway, and i stand by it. I could link you to a lot of live performances from GnR on youtube which would show you why i like them, but i dunno if you're bothered to check them out?

[Just John]

I'm not gonna get involved in your little arguement here, but I'll straight up say I prefer Guns N Roses, although I still like Metallica, just not as much. Just whatever I'm in the mood for really.

[Londoner]

^ Yeah guess you could say it depends on the mood for me aswell, i can get into Metallica but only in a certain mood. Anyway, found a link to an old peformance of knockin on heavens door..many more performances to check out so i wont bother with anymore this was 1988.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5wRW7I4Dqc&mode=related&search=

Actually, a better one though is at wembley in 92.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y2TJ8lh5Nc&mode=related&search=

[Kane Knight]

explain

Metallica only did this after the concept had worked with several other notable artists. Specifically, Pink Floyd and Queen. In fact, the idea of a pop act tag teaming with a symphony is pretty old, but even specifically Kamen himself had done it before. Then there was the Boston Pops and Philharmonic, which have been doing the same idea. Metallica only signed on after it was a sure thing, and aknowledge they weren't doing something unique.

In other words, saying "Only Metallica could have pulled it off" is so intrinsically fucking stupid, it defies all reason or logic.

[Stickman]

Yeah, S&M was amazing. Dunno what you're on about FA.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Out of curiousity, how many people have actually listened to the full Use Your Illusion 1+2 albums? Because they are fucking amazing.

[Londoner]

^ I have. I usually listen to the live era cds though.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I figured you have ;)

I meant the people bashing them.

[Just John]

I have use your illusion 1&2, the Live Era set and Appetite For Destruction, for Metallica, I have the black album, Ride The Lightning, Master Of Puppets and St. Anger (peh)

[Londoner]

I meant the people bashing them.

Ah right, i see,lol. My favourite is a song called Coma, which is fucking amazing when done live, even better when you can sing to it.

[Stickman]

GNR was supposed to play in Vancouver a few years back (Axl no showed thus a riot broke out) but I didn't get tickets as I didn't want to go alone. Couldn't find a single person interested in the concert. All the same people I asked went to the Metallica concert (about 50/50 on close friends to just aquantences). Obviously not a scientific poll, but getting laughed at when asking if they wanted to go to GNR was kind of interesting.

[Londoner]

That's because the new GnR is pretty shite. The old GnR would never be laughed at. But they're is still popular with people I know.

[Requiem]

Also, a band can hardly be called the greatest band ever if only some of their music was good.

[Stickman]

I'm not saying that they're not popular, but my unscientific poll concluded that getting laughed at when talking about GNR is pretty common.

[Londoner]

Also, a band can hardly be called the greatest band ever if only some of their music was good.

That's down to your opinion though isn't it? Ok, lets say, they're the greatest live band ever instead if they didn't make enough albums, they certainly played enough gigs. Tbh, almost every song they make, I like, and they seem to match how i feel at the time just perfectly.

[Rob]

Metallica

[Requiem]

Being good live and being good on CD is a completely different thing. A lot of bands are complete SHIT live, but amazing on CD. Granted if I don't like a band after hearing a CD, odds are that I'm not going to like them live either, because I just plain don't like the music.

For instance, Guns N Roses.. I don't care for them. So my opinion probably wouldn't be changed if I saw them live, simply because I don't like the sound of the music, or his voice.

[Stickman]

That's down to your opinion though isn't it? Ok, lets say, they're the greatest live band ever instead if they didn't make enough albums, they certainly played enough gigs. Tbh, almost every song they make, I like, and they seem to match how i feel at the time just perfectly.

I've heard the Tragically Hip are actually incredible live.

[Londoner]

simply because I don't like the sound of the music, or his voice.

Well thats fair enough. But lots of people do.

[Stickman]

I'd probably like GNR more if Axl didn't sing like his balls were in a vise.

[Londoner]

I actually like that way of singing, just amazes me tbh, much more than metallica.

[Stickman]

Hetfeild doesn't have the sexiest voice out there.

[Kane Knight]

Also, a band can hardly be called the greatest band ever if only some of their music was good.

I disagree. Pretty much every band of merit has had their problems, bad periods, or controversial records. Someone has to be the best ever, and that someone's going to be imperfect.

And that's not even touching the Slash bit.

[Stickman]

WHy is the general consensus that U2 is the greatest band alive today?

[Londoner]

^ Fuck knows. They aren't even good enough to be in a poll.

[Kane Knight]

WHy is the general consensus that U2 is the greatest band alive today?

They're popular?

[Skippord]

GnR

because I hate Lars Ulrich, and the new GnR had Buckethead

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Coma is a fucking amazing song. THat's probably my favorite GnR song too.

I also really like Estranged.

[Destor]

I'm shocked this is even close, Metallica easy. But GnR is pretty "boss."

[Londoner]

I also really like Estranged.

Yeah same here. Might aswell list my favourites from the two albums cause im bored:

Right next door to hell
Dust and Bones
Don't Cry
You ain't the first
Bad obsession
Double talkin' Jive
November Rain
The Garden
Coma
Civil War
14 years
Yesterdays
Breakdown
Locomotoive
Estranged
So Fine
You could be mine
Dont cry(alt lyrics)

Same as yours WWKD?

[Londoner]

Link to Coma live in 1992,amazing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fetBk7EvND8

[D Mac]

OK close race. TL let's squash this. We love both our bands so lets just listen to them and go on. :)

[Londoner]

Yeah, i'll settle for that.

[Stickman]

I'm shocked this is even close, Metallica easy. But GnR is pretty "boss."

Probably has to do with the "Lars is a prick lets boycot Metallica. You Sold Out! You Sold Out! You Sold Out!" crap.

[Londoner]

^ Or that GnR has just as many fans as Metallica do.

[Kane Knight]

Probably has to do with the "Lars is a prick lets boycot Metallica. You Sold Out! You Sold Out! You Sold Out!" crap.

Wow, you're right. It's not like GNR has anything that would compare to assholish behaviour, or any records that were subpar, shitty, and referenced as "selling out."

[Stickman]

The difference is people expect assholish behaviour from GNR. Axl doing something stupid is what he's supposed to do.

[Londoner]

^ Yeah ofcourse..whatever..

[Disturbed316]

Metallica

[Destor]

^ Or that GnR has just as many fans as Metallica do.Now there's something that is actually debatable. Gonna see what I can dig up, but I'm pretty sure Metallica has generated more bodies at the gate and the stores than GnR.

[Londoner]

^ Destor, i dont doubt that Metalliica has more as they have been around longer, its just GnR made such a huge impact to a certain sort of person during the short amount of time they werre around, in depends on the kind of person you are really, i am fucking drunk right now, sorry i can barely type.

[Kane Knight]

^ Yeah ofcourse..whatever..

:lol:

[Kane Knight]

We are, of course, comparing two bands well past their prime, whose fanbases now will be different from when they were actually in the spotlight.

That being said, I'm surprised MEtallica isn't blowing GNR away.

[weather vane]

Motley Crue

[D Mac]

DAMMIT SPILLY THAT IS NOT AN OPTION

[redoneja]

Led Zeppelin

[Londoner]

That being said, I'm surprised MEtallica isn't blowing GNR away.

Shows you how good GnR were then imo.

[Requiem]

lol shut up. It doesn't show anything. It shows that this particular message board, in the small scheme of the internet, happens to have almost as many people who think GnR is better. It doesn't mean they are that good.. it means that many people simply don't like Metallica.

You're taking two basically bottom of the barrel bands (in this day and age) and putting them up against each other. If someone votes GnR here, or Metallica here, it doesn't mean that those are their favorite bands ever. It means they like one better over the other.

[Londoner]

Ofcourse Requiem. You need to take your own advice. GnR were great for the short time they were around, just accept that just cause you don't think so, doesn't mean everyone else thinks the same way.

[Requiem]

It's different when someone says they like something, and begins making stupid claims like that. What I said was stating a fact that just because people voted that way doesn't mean they think GnR is great. It means they thought GnR was better than Metallica.

I by no means think Metallica is that great of a band anymore. But I voted for them because I think they are better than GnR.

[Requiem]

Even Kane Knight voted for Metallica, and he hates Metallica. See what I'm getting at here?

[Kane Knight]

lIt doesn't mean they are that good.. it means that many people simply don't like Metallica.
lol shut up. if his answer is wrong, this one is, too. Because it's a choice of "who's better?" The votes could come from actual like of one band, dislike of the other, or liking both, but liking one more.

TL, to answer your PM, I was laughing with you, not at you.

Even Kane Knight voted for Metallica, and he hates Metallica. See what I'm getting at here? Hate them so much I own every record up to S&M.

Like Stickman, you've mistaken thinking the artists are cocks, and like or dislike for the music.

[Requiem]

The point of my posts was reiterated directly after saying that. You basically just repeated what I had already said right after that.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, it wouldn't send for a couple of minutes. On the other hand, I also adressed that you were wrong in your statement about my choice.

[Requiem]

Well you definitely have an odd way of showing your liking for Metallica.

[Kane Knight]

Yes. By saying, specifically, that the issue I had was the drummer and attitude.

Oh, and saying they were overrated. I mean, because saying true things instead of fellating them blindly is definitely a sign of hatred.

[Requiem]

Nah, I just don't see you say anything good about them. Nothing comes to mind. I'm sure you've said good things before and you can probably find multiple posts about it, but I just haven't seen any so that was why I said that.

[Kane Knight]

Actually, I doubt I've said many, if any positive things about Metallica. Normally because I only mention them when someone does something like pretend they're the best ever.

I don't hate them, but they're not in my top five, or top ten, or even top twenty. I don't even know if I'd rank them in the top 50. They're enjoyable, long as I don't hear them live. I mean, I was enough of a fan I bought "Live Shit" based merely on the fact that it was Metallica. Which disappointed me, and is the foundation of my assertion that Lars sucks as a drummer.

And he does.

On the other hand, not saying anything positive is a far cry from hating someone. In fact, if I hated them, I probably would just say "lol metallica sucks" and get on with it. :D

[Requiem]

Also, TL's argument was settled in PMs, and he gets what I was saying now. Done with this thread.