View Full Version : So last night...
The One
05-05-2007, 07:46 PM
I caught SmackDown for maybe like the 2nd time in the last half a year, and I have to say, I was so under impressed I question how WWE has not dropped the Brand all together. Now before I go on, I should state that I feel asleep shortly after the Hardy/Kennedy match began, so I really only saw a couple of backstage segments and the Spanky/half of Deuce&Domino and Regal/Boogeyman match...but holy shit. I have never in all my years of watching NWA, WCW, ECW, WWE and even AAA/CMLL (which I can't even understand them talking) have I been subjected to something to bland and unexciting.
William Regal w/ Something Taylor vs. Boogeyman w/ Midget Boogeyman
A couple of days ago I said I would not mind seeing Regal get a run with the WHC just out of respect for his career, I retract that now. Not even JBL doing commentary could get me remotely into the match. Kane coming out and scaring the Brits off was one of the most "what the fuck ever" moments I can remember ever experiencing.
Spanky vs. one of the Greasers
I have never seen the Greaser guys actually perform before, but after watching one of them I am suddenly sad at the idea that Alienoid's jerk off material is generally 18.6 times more exciting than they are. And Cherry isn't even that hot. A big WTF to the theme of the team, to the style of working, and to them being the guys who ended London/Kendrick's reign.
Hardy vs. Kennedy
I fell asleep shortly after the match began...I tried you guys, I really did. I can't figure out what either of these guys offer.
The rest I was sleeping through thanks to V1.0 and ...........Kennedy!
JBL is one of the best commentary men I've ever heard. But nothing he said could make me give a shit about what was happening in the ring. I would prefer to simply listen to commentary than watch the show. How can any of you stand to watch that on a regular basis???
IC Champion
05-05-2007, 07:47 PM
Agreed 100%
Londoner
05-05-2007, 08:32 PM
Agreed 200%. that was an awful show, it has been better than raw but that was just shit this week, was shocked when i read the spoilers and hoped it would be better on TV...but it was much worse than i thought, and wtf@Kane/mvp as the main event?
It was really shitty that Hardy went over Kennedy clean. I was expecting at least interference.
SammyG
05-05-2007, 08:38 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Dorkchop
05-05-2007, 08:43 PM
I've barely tuned into Smackdown lately and those are a lot of the reasons why.
Most of the time when I watch some of it it's never too bad. I usually like some parts and try to ignore the boring parts. Last time I watched Smackdown JBL was pretty boring (I don't like the guy, but love his commentary). There's not really anything that makes me want to watch. I like Booker T, but he's injured and even when he wasn't, he was feuding with Batista and Batista is boring as hell. I love Kane, but he jobs to everyone. I like Regal, but he's mainly used as a stepping stone (like Kane).
I suppose there's Benoit.
I'm usually with my girlfriend Friday night and doing things with her is way more important. If I'm not doing anything I'll half watch Smackdown, but even then I'm looking for other things to do.
Corkscrewed
05-05-2007, 08:43 PM
Well, I've been saying it for a few years now. They're not trying. And it shows.
Kane Knight
05-05-2007, 09:02 PM
I only watched it last night because I hate spoilers and wanted to know if Taker dropped the title. I couldn't pay attention. It was boring. In fact, I'm pretty sure my not remembering last week is indicative of how lame SD is.
The Naitch
05-06-2007, 12:54 AM
only reason why I watch SD! is because of the most electrifying move in sports entertainment today....
BALLIN!
Mr. Nerfect
05-06-2007, 02:11 AM
I agree, in part, but not entirely.
William Regal is greater than all you put together. And I love all of you. I'm sorry, but Regal is the fucking man. The Boogeyman is shit, though. Everyone pissed themselves with glee when he first debuted, and I was disgusted. I then tried to look on the bright side of the character (Optimists do see the good in bad booking, you know) but then they stopped trying to explain his origins as an actor hired for a UPN show, who maybe took method acting a little too far, but then started to pass him off as a real "boogeyman." I still don't even know what the fuck a boogeyman is. Yeah, I know he hides under the bed, or in the closet, scaring little kids or whatever, but that I am meant to just take him as literally as that, despite never believing in "monsters" as a little kid, makes me feel like the product is for retards.
18-35 demographic, remember? Vince? Now you come on! Don't put Marty in face paint! Vince! Don't you! Oh, Vince...oh, Vince. Whatever will we do with you?
I must stress, though, if Regal was as he is now, feuding with Chris Benoit, he'd be the same badass motherfucker he has always been. Not his fault.
Kane running out and scaring the Brits also makes perfect sense. :| Um, they're like feuding. That's like saying Shawn Michaels giving John Cena the Sweet Chin Music is "WTF~?" material. It's not. That The Boogeyman was dragged into this makes no sense. Kane should be teaming with a monster that actually has a story with these guys, and could go places. I'm think Paul Burchill sans pirate gimmick, plus "The Ripper" persona?
That you did not get it either means you're retarded, or JBL isn't as great a commentator as everyone thinks? I kid, I love the man, but really, that no one understood why Kane wanted a piece of the Brits is a window into how a casual fan must view the WWE sometimes. Michael Cole and JBL really should have pointed out that Regal, Taylor and Kane have their problems, and Kane teamed with Boogeyman the previous week against them.
Also...um, I don't jizz myself over Deuce & Domino. :| I was quite happy when they disappeared, actually. The Optimist in me makes me think that they have potential (Deuce Shade was quite awesome in OVW, back when he was a singles guy), but honestly, besides giving me a reason to see Cherry (yeah, she's old, but I want to bang her, dammit!), I see no reason why they should be teaming. I think Deuce is meant to be a singles guy, and while Cliff Compton/Dice Domino seems taggish to me, I'd rather he tried with someone else.
And, no, D&D should not have been the guys to end London & Kendrick's title reign. That they didn't have The Major Brothers come up and have a friendly series with L&K, or they didn't have Regal & Taylor step up and challenge again, is beyond me.
What the fuck are Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas doing on RAW which is so important? Why didn't they call up Mikey and Nicky as "The Frat Boys?" They could have passed them off as former World Tag Team Champions on RAW, with the "Freebird" rule applying to Kenny & Mikey's reign, and all.
But yeah, I'll confess to not watching Mr. Kennedy vs. Matt Hardy, because I don't watch SmackDown! anymore. There, I said it. Since the WWE fucked up London & Kendrick's title reign, I haven't cared. I'll watch when they win the belts back. Everything I have heard about the match has been fantastic, though.
I heard there was a lapse in psychology near the end, but compare that to how John Cena acts on RAW? Hell, at fucking WrestleMania John Cena suddenly got a new leg from somewhere. Any flaws you throw at Kennedy and Hardy's ring work for that, you must also throw at Michaels and Cena. I did catch a bit of the match, and what I saw was great. Kennedy is comparable to Ric Flair in the ring. He employs psychology brilliantly, and he's carried Batista and Bobby Lashley to some matches which are actually fun.
Matt Hardy is great, too. He apparently pretty much planned out all of The Hardys' spots, and Jeff can only really be credited with "going along." Hardy also has a good grip of psychology. He lost it a bit at the end of his SmackDown! match, but Ric Flair has fucked up so much on RAW lately. Hardy's matches with Gregory Helms, Joey Mercury (I hope to see him back in the WWE when he gets his shit together) and his less explained battles with Finlay have been amazing. He can hold interest in his matches, unlike some guys who go for longer periods of time, and he is technically sound.
I think Matt Hardy and Mr. Kennedy are two of the best guys the WWE has at the moment. The only thing holding them back is that they are Matt Hardy and Mr. Kennedy, respectively. A lot of people claim they are overrated, just because they get credit because they are good. Kennedy will be a top guy in the WWE one day (he is pretty much being warmed up for that spot now), and I still don't believe the sun has set on Matt Hardy. People that say it has, are also the people that don't watch SmackDown!, or when they do, don't see the good that goes down.
I think Mr. Kennedy vs. Matt Hardy over the MITB title shot would make a great feud for SmackDown! to run with.
If you can't see the greatness with these guys, I really can't help you. Sure, neither is perfect, but it is pretty damn obvious both are good. I have never seen anyone offer a compelling reason as to why Kennedy and Hardy aren't good. I've heard "one trick" and "overrated" thrown around. People get overrated for a reason. Ric Flair, Bret Hart and The Rock are "overrated," by today's standard for the word. The Rock was never brilliant in the ring, Ric Flair was terribly boring at times, as was Bret Hart. I never really got into his matches, either. It doesn't mean they suck, and it doesn't mean I can't understand why people do like them. It's the same with Kennedy and Hardy, only on a smaller scale. You don't have to like them, but any person with empathetical capabilities can understand why they are so well-liked. Even if you just look at the fact that they are well-liked, and realise that it must be for a reason (because they wouldn't be if there weren't), and that you not seeing it is your flaw, not other people's.
It'll make you a happier person.
Mr. Nerfect
05-06-2007, 02:19 AM
Wow, that was long. To sum it up, because I know most of you are too lazy to read:
* William Regal is awesome
* The Boogeyman is not
* Kane running in made perfect sense
* Michael Cole and JBL should have explained it so you'd realise why
* Brian Kendrick is awesome
* Domino might be one day, but he is not now, or in his current role
* Deuce & Domino should not have been given the WWE Tag Team Championship
* Mr. Kennedy is awesome
* Matt Hardy is awesome
* The match was not what both men are capable of, as we have evidently seen, but it was good
And now for a point I left out of my original post:
Batista and The Undertaker are as boring as bat shit. Actually, bat shit is an interest colour, and of a fascinating texture. It kind of looks like strained apple baby food at times. I find bat shit more interesting than Batista and The Undertaker.
Hopefully The Undertaker stays gone for as long as possible. He doesn't need the WWE, and the WWE doesn't need him. For someone who plays politics as much as he does, need should be a factor. It's not, and thus it is pathetic. I'm looking forward to Batista as a three-time World Heavyweight Champion. I'll quickly lose interest, though.
I understand Vince Russo's philosophy that title changes make things more exciting. They do if you're Champions are as boring as The Undertaker, Batista and John Cena. I think a quality Champion is the only one who deserves a long reign. I do not mind London, Kendrick and Benoit's long reigns with their respective belts. It's approaching for Benoit to drop his, though. London & Kendrick should win their's back.
The One
05-06-2007, 03:38 AM
I stopped read after a while Alienoid...
First of all, I know Kane is feuding with the Brits, it wasn't a "What the fuck" it was a "What the fuck ever" as in "I don't give a rat's ass." And I never said you like Deuce and Domino, I said your jerk off material (London/Kendrick) were whatever times more entertaining than D&D.
Maybe I'll go back and finish reading that one day, but good lord man, do you know how to make a point without the 500 word essay?
Mr. Nerfect
05-06-2007, 03:54 AM
I stopped read after a while Alienoid...
First of all, I know Kane is feuding with the Brits, it wasn't a "What the fuck" it was a "What the fuck ever" as in "I don't give a rat's ass." And I never said you like Deuce and Domino, I said your jerk off material (London/Kendrick) were whatever times more entertaining than D&D.
Maybe I'll go back and finish reading that one day, but good lord man, do you know how to make a point without the 500 word essay?
See bullet points above. :p
Oh OK, I didn't understand you knew about the Kane/Brits feud. It hasn't exactly set the world on fire, so I can understand why you wouldn't care. It seems too much set-up and not enough punchline to me. Wasn't Kane meant to be taking a break? If that is the point to this, have Regal & Taylor injure Kane, already. It's like TNA's booking of all relating to Billy Gunn since he has shown up there. I love Billy Gunn, but the 3/4 Live Kru thing went on too long, and this Voodoo Kin Mafia thing is the same.
I get you on the London/Kendrick thing, now. I thought you were just being drunk or something.
M-A-G
05-06-2007, 05:02 AM
Yeah, it was a pretty 'bleh' SmackDown!. Duece and Domino make jacksquat worth of sense as a team, Regal and Taylor should be doing other things, Kennedy continues to be bland as hell and on the losing end of things despite being the Money in the Bank winner, the cruiserweight division has been put on life support, Mark Henry's coming back, and two top stars are going to be out for a while. It's often a struggle to find anything good on SmackDown! these days.
Kane Knight
05-06-2007, 08:28 AM
18-35 demographic, remember? Vince?
Vince still remembers...Wait...
But seriously, much as I hate the Boogeyman, it's hardly like they've stopped trying to pander to the male 18-35 demos, just because they have a campy novelty act.
Well, and Raw. But.
AdrianM
05-06-2007, 12:08 PM
i didn't catch smackdown this week, but I really enjoy it when I watch it, altho this show didn't look great it must be said.
Frankly, i like the boogeyman, but i wish he'd just pop out for a few weeks every so often, then just dissapear without a trace, then suddenly come back again. I hafta say, I pop when the boogeyman comes out of nowhere.
I do like D&D, but i think its too early for them to have the titles, considering they don't get a reaction as yet.
Be interesting to see who they'll have feud with bats when he gets the title back...maybe Benoit (I hope)
Mr. Nerfect
05-06-2007, 12:33 PM
Vince still remembers...Wait...
But seriously, much as I hate the Boogeyman, it's hardly like they've stopped trying to pander to the male 18-35 demos, just because they have a campy novelty act.
Well, and Raw. But.
That's true, but he certainly doesn't help. I wouldn't mind him as much if they didn't try to push him as so much of a threat. And if they didn't try to pass off worms as scary. First graders do it for attention from girls they like. Grown men just look retarded. Not scary. Retarded.
Mr. Nerfect
05-06-2007, 12:38 PM
Be interesting to see who they'll have feud with bats when he gets the title back...maybe Benoit (I hope)
I honestly think they'll go the other way, and have Mark Henry return and feud with Batista. :p
I hope you have braced yourself and don't die a little inside. I'm actually kind of looking forward to the feud, in theory, just because I think it somewhat captures the imagination. I'm sure the matches will be horrible, but meh. Batista cannot overpower Henry, which means he has to resort to his training with Ric Flair and Triple H. Batista is also injury prone, and Henry has a legitimate and kayfabe record of putting people on the shelf.
After that, I have no clue. Part of me wouldn't actually mind Mark Henry winning the belt (it would make those millions invested into him worth something, damn it), and then he can job the title to Matt Hardy or Chris Benoit, relatively quickly. Being a former World Heavyweight Champion might get attention for Mark Henry's charity work through the WWE, and shit.
But I'm probably only suggesting that because Batista and The Undertaker are really quite boring at present.
Dorkchop
05-06-2007, 12:39 PM
That's true, but he certainly doesn't help. I wouldn't mind him as much if they didn't try to push him as so much of a threat. And if they didn't try to pass off worms as scary. First graders do it for attention from girls they like. Grown men just look retarded. Not scary. Retarded.
Or maybe, you know.... do something different with him. People liked him when he would pop out of nowhere. The worm eating was pretty unique and I suppose creepy at first, but that's all he does now. It's boring. Since he's a face, why not have him haunt and scare the crap out of heels regularly? For the most part, WWE likes when the heel gets what's coming to them.
Mr. Nerfect
05-06-2007, 12:43 PM
Was Chavo Guerrero at ringside with Gregory Helms during his match? He should have been. He and Helms have been teaming, and Chavo is the Cruiserweight Champion, and I assume this match was designed with that belt in mind?
I think the Chavo/Helms team has been one of the brighter gems in the WWE recently, and hasn't been given nearly enough attention by them. I want to know more about why they are teaming. Is Helms just teaming with Chavo because he wants to keep the Cruiserweight Champion close, so he can win back his title when he gets that rematch, or do Helms and Chavo keep singles and tag business separate. It'd be genuinely interested to hear Michael Cole and JBL debate whether or not Chavo and Helms like each other, whether they are serious partners, or if it is just a loose alliance, or whatever.
Back in the Attitude era, a storyline like this would have been given time and attention. It would have kicked ass, as well.
But yeah, a Triple Threat Match between Chavo Guerrero, Gregory Helms and Jimmy Wang Yang for the WWE Cruiserweight Championship could be a lot of fun down the line.
Mr. Nerfect
05-06-2007, 12:49 PM
Or maybe, you know.... do something different with him. People liked him when he would pop out of nowhere. The worm eating was pretty unique and I suppose creepy at first, but that's all he does now. It's boring. Since he's a face, why not have him haunt and scare the crap out of heels regularly? For the most part, WWE likes when the heel gets what's coming to them.
I like the idea of probing his character more. Turning him into a character study.
Go back to the actor thing with him, and reveal that he was going to star on a UPN show, which would have him play "The Boogeyman." The show was cancelled, but Palmer Canon (who was stationed on SmackDown! at the time), didn't want UPN's money spent flying the character actor around the world to learn voodoo rituals to go to waste, so he shuffled him in under SmackDown!'s "New Talent Initiative."
Talk about how he studied voodoo rituals, learned to block out pain, knocked out his own front teeth, only eats worms. A guy who only eats worms, yet still has the physique of The Boogeyman is really something quite intimidating and scary. It shows dedication, depravity, and a master of oneself. That could make me like The Boogeyman character. Little Boogeyman is just ridiculous, though.
Shadow
05-06-2007, 11:59 PM
Every time Aliennoid posts something long and good like that...a peice of me dies realizing that the people who should be reading this shit(WWE writing team) won't ever see it.
Londoner
05-07-2007, 12:03 AM
Little Boogeyman is just ridiculous, though.
You say that like the Boogeyman isn't ridiculous at all,lol.
SammyG
05-07-2007, 12:33 AM
lol smackdown
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