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12-12-2003, 06:08 PM
The followings is from WWE.com:

Note from Ryan: Before we get started, WWE is always trying to cover themselves in situations like this. Everything prior to this that we have reported (free plane ride back etc etc) has been very accurate. As you can see by the article below, WWE has done a pretty nice job of getting quotes from friends of Nathan and the few little peers who used to hang out with backstage.

Nathan Jones is no longer a WWE Superstar because he apparently wasn’t cut out for the vagabond lifestyle.

According to his peers, Jones had all the tools: the look, the story, the charisma, and his wrestling ability was coming along. He just could not handle traveling. And for reasons that aren’t completely clear, he picked Saturday, Dec. 6, in Perth, Australia – the last day of the Passport to SmackDown! Tour – as the day he decided he just couldn’t take it anymore. He packed his bags, shook hands with many of the Superstars, and left.

“Getting your ass kicked is fun. Traveling is not fun,” says John Cena, who has known Jones since he first stepped into a wrestling ring. “People don’t get into this business to travel; they get into it to wrestle. So although it’s strenuous to get your ass kicked, it’s fun, because that’s what you love about it. The drawback is, you have to go from Point A to Point B. I don’t think anybody signs up for this business for the travel.”

Said Scotty 2 Hotty, “On Tough Enough, (fans) got a taste of how hard the wrestling part of it is, but they never saw the travel part. And the travel part is way harder than the wrestling, and this tour proved it. That was brutal – 20 hours over, and 24 hours back. And being away from your family -- we’d been gone since (Dec. 1). If you don’t have it in your heart, there’s no way you’ll make it.”

The Superstars’ travel schedule, which can be crazy even when they’re not flying to international tours – which they’re doing more often than ever these days – is the one and only reason that Jones is no longer with the company, those close to him say.

“He really, really liked it here (in WWE) a lot,” said Rick Bassman, the head of Southern California’s Ultimate Pro Wrestling, where Jones trained. “He said that the travel schedule was just something that got to him. I know he positively appreciates the opportunity he was given here. I know he made a lot of friends here. I know he feels like he let a lot of people down. At the same time, I know he feels like he has to take care of himself first, which is, in any walk of life, not a bad thing to do.”

There are many rumors out there about other reasons Jones walked out: that he didn’t assimilate to the locker room, that his in-ring skills weren’t good enough, that he simply had a few screws loose. None of those are true, his peers say.

Certainly, it took longer for Jones to get comfortable backstage than for most Superstars because he’s actually very shy, which may come as a shock to many fans.

“At 14 years old, the guy was 6-6 and 270 pounds,” Bassman said. “He didn’t have much of a home life to speak off. He was basically adopted, in all the wrong ways, by a bunch of street criminals. … They were pretty abusive of him, emotionally and mentally. He was in prison for eight years. He had the same experience there again. He was in solitary confinement. I mean, the guy has lived a very odd, different life. And it may have been those sorts of things that made him shy.

“At first, that may have been a problem. We all know that the protocol (in the WWE locker room) is that you go up, you’re friendly to everybody, you talk to everybody. He was told to do that, and he did it to a degree, but he kept to himself a lot too. But from what I understand from people both in OVW (Ohio Valley Wrestling) and from the SmackDown! crew on the road, everyone liked Nathan at this point, that he has assimilated.”

Initially, some Superstars were hesitant to talk to Jones because his story coming in – several armed robberies, several years in jail – was absolutely true, and they didn’t know quite what to expect.

What they eventually learned is that Jones is more fascinating than intimidating. More than one person has described him as a “gentle giant.”

“I think if you actually ran an IQ test on him, without question he’d be at genius level,” Bassman said. “The guy can take apart and build a computer from scratch – I don’t know if you knew that or not. Like Bradshaw, Nathan’s been trading (stocks) for about the past year. He knows the market really well. I know for a fact that he can discuss American politics better than 95 percent of the people … in the audience. He’s an extremely well-studied guy. He’s very, very smart.”

By the end of his WWE tenure, Jones had developed friendships with many of the Superstars. He’d even won over Bradshaw, who does not just hand out respect.

“I like Nathan a lot,” Bradshaw said. “I thought he was a good guy. I thought he was probably going to end up doing pretty well (in WWE).”

As far as Jones’ in-ring ability, Scotty 2 Hotty said, “He was on his way, definitely. A lot of guys s*** on his work, but there are a lot of guys who improved when they got here. You’re working with the (Chris) Benoits and guys like that, you’re going to get better.

So that wasn’t even an issue, I don’t think.”

Furthermore, Bassman said Jones was never in the business for the money. “That’s another thing about Nathan, and this is the God’s honest truth: Nathan absolutely does not care about money,” Bassman said. “It means less to him, strangely, than pretty much anybody I ever met before.”

Bassman added that Jones was never a prima donna and that while he trained at UPW, he was always the first one at practice and the last one to leave.

“Nathan’s an exhibitionist, and he’s a performer,” Bassman said. “With his physicality (and) with his ability to cut live promos, he thought this would be the perfect stage for him. In a lot of ways, it is. It was the travel stuff that wasn’t working for him. But (saying that) he came in for the money, that’s a mistake. That’s just not true.”

Most Superstars agree that traveling from town to town is even more difficult than getting beat up in the ring every night. “That’s the toughest thing in this whole business,” A-Train said. And Jones apparently couldn’t handle it.

“It was killing him,” Bassman said. “He was a big guy, and he was traveling in cramped conditions. I’ve been on tour buses with him in Japan where we see him start to get that look where it’s like, he’s just about had enough. It doesn’t make him a bad person. It just doesn’t work for him.

“I know that he has trouble sleeping on the road – again, another oddity that probably makes you not built for this business. He gets lost all the time, direction wise, because he’s dyslexic. So he just ends up getting frustrated (and) he’s not getting a lot of sleep. I don’t know if Nathan was flying coach or business (class) – and, again, he would never ask to fly business; that’s not his sort of thing – but he’s 6-foot-10 and 300 pounds, so he’s cramped. So he’s basically just exhausted – physically and mentally exhausted.”

A strenuous international tour, therefore, was not exactly what the doctor ordered for Jones. Apparently, it was what pushed him over the edge.

The trip did not begin on a positive note. The Superstars’ chartered plane was descending into Petropavlovsk, Russia for a fuel stop when it hit an intense blizzard. “You couldn’t see anything,” said Benoit, who called the flight “hands down” the scariest one he’s ever been on. Gusts of wind were knocking the plane almost completely sideways, and the jet missed the runway three times. At one point, the plane dropped about 150 feet.

“When you’re at 35,000 feet, that’s one thing, because you have room to drop and get knocked around,” Scotty said. “But we were making our landing, getting lower and lower, and bouncing all around the place. I just remember thinking, ‘I know (Ric) Flair’s been in a plane crash, and I know Bradshaw’s been in a plane crash. What are the chances of somebody being in a plane crash twice?’”

The flights got easier from there, but the tour perhaps did not. The Superstars did not stay in any of the three countries they visited – South Korea, Singapore and Australia – for 24 hours. The schedule was simply: wrestle, fly to next town, wrestle, fly to next town.

The last event on the tour was in Perth, Australia, where Jones was going to be the hometown hero (or home country hero, at least).

“I saw him get on the bus (to go to the show in Perth) and I just knew there was something wrong,” A-Train said. “I asked him, ‘Is everything cool?’ He said, ‘Yep.’ But you could tell he wasn’t happy. And I thought that a while back when he came in for WrestleMania. I just didn’t know if this business was for him. It takes a special person to do this.”

Later, at the show, A-Train said he “saw a little buzz” going on around Jones. He explained: “I talked to one of the boys who was there, and he said, ‘Nathan doesn’t want to do it anymore.’ I talked to Nathan. I said, ‘Is everything cool?’ He said, ‘I just don’t want to do it anymore.’ I said, ‘I hope you’re not being irrational. I hope you think this through because you could make some money here. And if you choose not to (stay), I respect that. Good luck. Hope you keep in touch with me.’”

Several Superstars said they respected Jones’ decision.

“I respect Nathan because here you have a guy who didn’t like what he was doing, and he walked away from it,” A-Train said. “A lot of people don’t like what they’re doing, but they still stick around.”

Bradshaw agreed, saying, “He said to himself that he wasn’t cut out for it. If he’s not cut out for it, it’s better that he gets out now than waits until later and regrets the time that, to him, would have been wasted.”

Some of his peers, however, were a little confused at the timing of his departure. There were a few whispers that Jones knew in advance that he was going to leave and that, in essence, he simply went on the tour to get a free trip back to Australia.

But several Superstars dismissed that hypothesis as ridiculous, saying Jones had plenty of money, and frequent flier miles, to get back home if he wanted. Plus, Jones has since returned to the U.S.

“I think the nerves just got to him – his big homecoming match,” said Scotty, explaining another theory. “He was the (fan favorite) and there was all this buildup to it. On top of the bad travel, when he got there, his nerves, thinking about going out in front of his home peeps, got to him.”

Others simply think that Jones reached his breaking point during the long, difficult tour. “In my year and a half here, I’ve been overseas five or six times now, and that was easily the toughest (tour) ever,” Cena said, adding, “I think he was very much fit for wrestling, but I guess he wasn’t fit for traveling. I think he found out that it was a little bit more than he signed up for. It’s a shame that he didn’t compete in Australia. I think the fans would have really liked to see him.”

Bassman said Jones would love to return to WWE if the right circumstances could be arranged.

“If he could come back today and the schedule was not as demanding, he would want to come back today,” Bassman said. “I know that he would take a pay cut, absolutely, which would show that he’s not in it for the money. He’d take less money. But it’s hard also to keep coming back and asking for special treatment, special consideration and special deals. He doesn’t want to be perceived as a prima donna, and I don’t know if there’s any way for him to come back and ask for a lesser schedule without being perceived that way. But if that’s something that would be entertained, I think he would be back, and willing take a (pay) cut to do it.”

John la Rock
12-12-2003, 06:11 PM
well looks like Jones made the right choice. Hopefully he never comes back unless his in-ring skills improve big time

12-12-2003, 06:22 PM
Way to sound like an insensitive prick. ;)

Anyway, wrestling is definitely a hard business, and I do respect him for making a decision like that. Like many people have already said, it's better that he step out now than resort to drugs or alcohol later. He sounds like a pretty nice guy reality who just went down the wrong path when he was a kid and is now pulling himself back up to the right road. I wish him the best of luck from here on out.

12-12-2003, 06:29 PM
Remember those Nathan Jones promos? They were pretty good. If he cant hack it, then its probably best he left.

12-12-2003, 08:03 PM
He should just go back to jail...it's better for everyone.

12-12-2003, 08:25 PM
^ When wrestling bashing crosses the line into absurdity and spite.

12-12-2003, 08:32 PM
Honestly Jones wasn't even near a good wrestler. But he was improving, and he probably was doing better than some of his critics. Had his in-ring skills been at least average, he would have been a BIG name. But he chose to go a road better suited for him and I'm glad.

The bashing is unneeded, really. I don't see why you have to sit here and completely rag on someone JUST because you don't like him. He was doing good. Unlike Rodney Mack or Jackie Gayda who horribly messed up moves and might have hurt someone. He messed up some moves, but never really serious. His promos and looks were gold, and like Mack and Gayda, he was getting better with time. Bashing is okay, but saying he needs to go back to jail is, IMO, a little unneeded.

12-12-2003, 08:40 PM
They ****ed up on him since day 1 anyways.

12-12-2003, 11:30 PM
i did'nt know bradshaw was in a plane crash too i knew about flair.

12-12-2003, 11:41 PM
^ When wrestling bashing crosses the line into absurdity and spite.

Yeah,but as a worker I have a right to do so.

I guess it's only OK when the internet marks do it :rolleyes:

Kane Knight
12-13-2003, 12:05 AM
Yeah,but as a worker I have a right to do so.

I guess it's only OK when the internet marks do it :rolleyes:

When you're saying people should go to jail, you're crossing a line. Whoever you are. Don't be a moron and try and scrounge up other reasons.

12-13-2003, 12:24 AM
Oh,you are so right...a sarcastic comment affects everyone's life.

Crossing lines makes the whole world :cry: ...too bad.

Kane Knight
12-13-2003, 12:44 AM
Oh,you are so right...a sarcastic comment affects everyone's life.

Crossing lines makes the whole world :cry: ...too bad.

:lol: And playing in your brother's backyard fed makes you a real worker.

Stop trying to make bullshit excuses to ignore the reason people didn't take to your moronic comment.

12-13-2003, 01:05 AM
No,consistently running and working on shows for over 5 years and working with great talents makes me a real worker.

I don't give 2 shits if people "took to my moronic comment".It is not to my concern if you (or anyone else) likes or dislikes my comments; just as you've proven not to "take to my moronic comment",and that is your right.

SO,as long as we can agree to disagree than :y:

Kane Knight
12-13-2003, 02:01 AM
No,consistently running and working on shows for over 5 years and working with great talents makes me a real worker.

I don't give 2 shits if people "took to my moronic comment".It is not to my concern if you (or anyone else) likes or dislikes my comments; just as you've proven not to "take to my moronic comment",and that is your right.

SO,as long as we can agree to disagree than :y:

If you don't care, why did you throw a fit over it?

12-13-2003, 02:44 AM
Yeah,but as a worker I have a right to do so.

I guess it's only OK when the internet marks do it :rolleyes:

Who said that? There's a line for everything, and while I have my fair share of criticism, I'm not overly extreme either.

Sure you're a worker, but that's no reason to be spiteful. I know it was sarcastic, but I just thought that was sort of mean. Whatever. Guess I was feeling soft. :shifty:

12-13-2003, 02:45 AM
I think Jones did the right thing. Honestly I liked his look. When he gave that crazy smile it almost reminded me of a comic book villian. I think he should get into acting cause I think he could play a damn good bad ass in a movie.

I think his in-ring skills needed improvement, but with his size and crazy look I think he could have been a good heel if he got his head into it. The traveling is a good reason to leave and I wouldn't hold that against anyone.

If Vince McMahon himself came to my door and for some odd reason offered me a billion dollars a year and a promise of being world champion which is gaurentee'd fame and money I'd say "Nope" without a second thought. Just the thought of having a pregnant wife and being on the other side of the country, having my son / daughter taking their first steps and not being there... or hell being a single lonely bastard with little to no freedom cause I spend half my life in a plane or vehicle is enough to keep me out of it.

It's just one more reason I think we should all give these guys a little more credit than they get. Although the creative team makes it very hard to really enjoy it anymore.

Hired Hitman
12-13-2003, 07:31 AM
hey this shit isn't about you! or you! or you! OR YOU! it's about one person Nathan Jones, so quit your bitching.

Nathan didn't like the travelling so he left, fair choice, if he stayed he could have become angry and more angry until he finially snapped... thankfully he did what was right, etc.

it was his choice good for him.