View Full Version : Chris Benoit not good enough to be a Main Eventer
KingofOldSchool
05-14-2007, 06:55 PM
Due to Chris Benoit’s weakness at cutting good promos, SmackDown’s head writer, Michael Hayes doesn’t feel as if Chris Benoit should be a main event performer.
Credit: Wrestling Observer
Really, it pains me to say, but he's kinda right. As a heel I think he could be a top guy by just saying what needs to be said.
Of course, the irony is that Batista isn't a good enough talker to be a top guy either...then again, I guess he doesn't have the belt anymore.
Londoner
05-14-2007, 07:00 PM
Cena isn't good enough either, but he is a main eventer. And Benoit would be good enough if they gave him a chance at the top as a heel I think.
Sure the man can't make it as a main eventer. I mean there was never a case in which the biggest wrestling in pro wrestling was an amazing in-ring performer and had crappy mic skills...
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M-A-G
05-14-2007, 07:02 PM
He was already a main-eventer...sort of.
Jeritron
05-14-2007, 07:06 PM
He won a rumble and the world title in the main event of a Wrestlemania, but he's not a main eventer.
So either they're burying a main eventer, or they gave a non-worthy main eventer the crown jewel of pushes.
Turn him heel, give him a manager if needs must, he can Main Event, especially on SmackDown!
He was already a main-eventer...sort of.
He main evented for around 5 months as World Champion, then pulled the plug on it. He wasn't a bad champion either in my opinion...he came off strong and I for one liked him quite a bit in the top spot.
If it works...it works, and people like Michael Hayes should start seeing what real wrestling fans want intsead of hanging around the retarded creative team all the time.
Turn him heel, give him a manager if needs must, he can Main Event, especially on SmackDown!
Fuck, that's a brilliant idea...wish other people saw it.
Jeritron
05-14-2007, 07:17 PM
Who would be his manager? Doesn't make much sense to me to give a veteran personality a manager. Seems like the thing to do with young guys or repackaged crap that hasn't ever been over.
Cena isn't good enough either, but he is a main eventer.
<font color=white>Nothing wrong with Cena's mic skills. They are better than average and more than once i've watched him cut an excellent promo, especially the against the odds, fighting talk or putting over the scale of a match. He's just not the world's greatest wrestler.</font>
Zen v.W.o.
05-14-2007, 07:30 PM
Sure the man can't make it as a main eventer. I mean there was never a case in which the biggest wrestling in pro wrestling was an amazing in-ring performer and had crappy mic skills...
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Except, he only had crappy mic skills back in the 80's/early 90's...and like everyone, usually improved. Then he became one of the best in the company.
Benoit hasnt done that.
Who would be his manager? Doesn't make much sense to me to give a veteran personality a manager. Seems like the thing to do with young guys or repackaged crap that hasn't ever been over.
Personally if it means said veteran personality gets pushed to the ME scene I'm all for it.
Heyman would be good, if they could come to terms. He has the ECW link and did wonders for Brock "I sound like a 12 Year Old" Lesnar.
Have a McMahon do it. Have Ric Flair do it.
Who would be his manager? Doesn't make much sense to me to give a veteran personality a manager. Seems like the thing to do with young guys or repackaged crap that hasn't ever been over.
<font color=white>Paul Heyman. Turn Benoit heel, send him to RAW, have him be the top guy of a small group featuring say a heel team, Ken Doane & Johnny Jeter maybe, another singles guy. Punk would be good, Orton maybe. Have 'em feud with the 'characters' (Cena, Rey could return to RAW, DX)</font>
The Optimist
05-14-2007, 07:37 PM
Personally if it means said veteran personality gets pushed to the ME scene I'm all for it.
Heyman would be good, if they could come to terms. He has the ECW link and did wonders for Brock "I sound like a 12 Year Old" Lesnar.
Have a McMahon do it. Have Ric Flair do it.Remember when Shane was managing Benoit in his fued against the Rock? I'd mark out for that all over again.
Fuck, that's a brilliant idea...wish other people saw it.
If it's such a brilliant idea...where's my rep? :p
It's my birthday today so I think the lovely folk at TPWW should give me a shiny new green dot thing as a present! :D
St. Jimmy
05-14-2007, 07:46 PM
Beniot is amazing in the mid-card. That's all we need to know, Too bad he's on a terrible show.
Sephiroth
05-14-2007, 08:03 PM
Benoit should have the belat and Cena should be fired. mtters im drunk ahaaha
IC Champion
05-14-2007, 08:24 PM
Benoit lacks what we in the business call charisma and personality.
Dorkchop
05-14-2007, 08:24 PM
He's not a horrible talker, he's just bland (some will argue that's what makes you bland). Benoit could cut some decent promos if he kept things short and to the point.
Benoit has had barely any mic time throughout his career. He'd probably be a lot better today had he been on the mic more regularly.
I don't think every main eventer needs super amazing mic skills. Most do. The ones who weren't got a manager: Yokozuna, Undertaker, Lesnar, Andre. I know wrestling is a lot different than it was 10+ years ago, but a lot of people will agree that wrestling needs a couple of managers.
Dorkchop
05-14-2007, 08:26 PM
Benoit lacks what we in the business call charisma and personality.
When he's talking, yes. In the ring I will have to disagree. I know both are related in wrestling.
YOUR Hero
05-14-2007, 08:35 PM
Not to hate on HHH, but there's a guy that can't cut a promo. Just because they give him loads of mic time doesn't mean he's any good at it. It's wrestling though, so that's the way it goes.
Dorkchop
05-14-2007, 10:47 PM
I've liked some of HHH's promos, others... not so much. I find he gets too much time on the mic and a lot of his promos drag on and are boring. I really like his funny promos though... when they don't drag on.
BigDaddyCool
05-14-2007, 10:50 PM
Benoit sucks and can't carry the WWE because he sucks on the mic. Remeber kids, wrestling is fake and actaul wrestling ability doesn't mean a 10th as much as charisma and political pull, this is nothing new either. Quit acting shocked.
KayfabeMan
05-14-2007, 10:52 PM
Benoit is absolutely good enough to be a main eventer.
He just needs a talker. I have to agree with what was said above, we do need some serious male managers - and somewhere in the world, I'm sure there are some.
Mr. Nerfect
05-14-2007, 11:46 PM
Benoit lacks what we in the business call charisma and personality.
Benoit does not lack either. Charisma isn't coming out with bright colours and pyro, and cutting a promo in five different decibels. It goes deeper than that. Chris Benoit has a charisma that says "Don't fucking look at me the wrong way or you're going to see my hands over your eyes as I'm pulling your neck back making you tap." That's perfectly acceptable.
Benoit also has political pull. He's one of the best wrestlers in the world, and if he threatened to go to TNA or ROH, Vince would bend over backwards to keep him. He's also one of the boys in the back that participates in ribbing and what have you. He's a locker room leader, if you will. The glass ceiling has been removed for Chris Benoit. If you haven't noticed, he's been winning like 95% of his matches. His US Title reign goes back to when he beat Mr. Kennedy for the belt at the beginning of his feud with The Undertaker.
Benoit is definitely good enough to be a main eventer. Especially now that Edge is World Heavyweight Champion. Benoit can get great matches out of Edge, and Edge can cut promos calling him Chris "Borewah" or whatever he wants to do. A male manager is not a bad idea.
I would mark out for Shane McMahon or Paul Heyman becoming Chris Benoit's manager. Either one would be sheer awesomeness.
Mr. Nerfect
05-14-2007, 11:50 PM
By the way, Chris Benoit winning the 2004 Royal Rumble and World Heavyweight Championship at WrestleMania XX are two of the best moments the WWE has had in its recent history. Seriously, no face push to since then has topped it. You'd need to go back to Stone Cold Steve Austin winning the WWE Title in 1998 to beat it.
People cared about Benoit's original push to the top. The moment he and Eddie Guerrero celebrated in the ring could have closed the book on wrestling. Of course it had to go down from there. The WWE just should have pushed Chris Benoit up again, so that he could become a staple of the show, instead of a one-time thing.
Kane Knight
05-14-2007, 11:55 PM
Benoit definitely does have Charisma.
He can even cut some decent promos, though I'm not going to fellate him or anything.
Theo Dious
05-15-2007, 12:03 AM
Benoit can be a great fill-in main eventer... not really a full-timer though.
Kane Knight
05-15-2007, 12:09 AM
He's a great main eventer. Just not a great champion, which is where I think you were going.
Theo Dious
05-15-2007, 12:11 AM
Yeah, more or less.
Theo Dious
05-15-2007, 12:11 AM
Great main eventer, not a great champion, not a great candidate for "top guy."
Super V
05-15-2007, 12:21 AM
What everyone else said.
They need to make him a heel and give him this silent killer persona. Maybe start off as someone's hired gun. This would've been great for his return.
Theo Dious
05-15-2007, 12:23 AM
Yeah, they could call him Silent But Deadly. :roll:
Dorkchop
05-15-2007, 12:31 AM
SBD! SBD! SBD! sBD!
Better Than You
05-15-2007, 12:35 AM
That could work :$
Theo Dious
05-15-2007, 12:41 AM
They'd have to put in a bit where he uses the sharpshooter more often, and JBL insists that he's farting on his opponent.
That's it kids, I'm out for the night, marvel at my new avatar, see you tomorrow.
FourFifty
05-15-2007, 02:23 AM
Benoit not good enough for the main event?
WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!?!?!? Does the Wellness program apply to writers? If not, it fuckin' should!!!! If it doesn't I want to be on what ever the hell Hayes is on!
Rammsteinmad
05-15-2007, 02:43 AM
He's not a horrible talker, he's just bland (some will argue that's what makes you bland). Benoit could cut some decent promos if he kept things short and to the point.
Benoit has had barely any mic time throughout his career. He'd probably be a lot better today had he been on the mic more regularly.
I don't think every main eventer needs super amazing mic skills. Most do. The ones who weren't got a manager: Yokozuna, Undertaker, Lesnar, Andre. I know wrestling is a lot different than it was 10+ years ago, but a lot of people will agree that wrestling needs a couple of managers.
Agreed. Benoit has cut some cool promos in the past. Sure he isn't the best, but he really isn't as bad as everyone always makes him out to be. It's more about his character. He doesn't need to say much coz he's a "rabid wolverine". He does his speaking in the ring.
And imo his stuff with Orlando Jordan (making tea etc) was :rofl:
Rammsteinmad
05-15-2007, 02:43 AM
Besides look at Batista, Bobby Lashley and Great Khali. They're all main eventers and their all god-awful on the mic and in the ring.
Rammsteinmad
05-15-2007, 02:45 AM
Benoit not good enough for the main event?
WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!?!?!? Does the Wellness program apply to writers? If not, it fuckin' should!!!! If it doesn't I want to be on what ever the hell Hayes is on!
:y:
Mr. Nerfect
05-15-2007, 03:30 AM
Batista's mic skills aren't actually that bad when he's too the point. His promo at Survivor Series in 2004 was actually what started to get him over. Bobby Lashley is a fantastic example, however. It should be noted that he didn't have Michael Hayes' favour either, though.
It wouldn't surprise me if we saw Chris Benoit move from SmackDown! to either RAW or ECW. You'd think the latter would be more convenient, and with a lot of young guys that could use grooming, and Benoit's past, it could work. Benoit could replace The Sandman (who you know they are just itching to release) as a good ECW Original. Hell, if they didn't fire 2 Cold Scorpio, they could have gotten rid of Tommy Dreamer or Sabu, as well. But anyway, I think it's all moot.
If Benoit changes brands, I expect for him to show up on RAW. It was rumoured to be happening prior to WrestleMania, and that's apparently part of the reason it was decided to keep the US Title on Benoit past the event. With his new problems with Hayes, they could pull the trigger on it, and move Benoit over to RAW. Matches with Randy Orton, Carlito and Umaga cold be somewhat fun.
dude extreme
05-15-2007, 05:24 AM
Fuck Michael Haynes. Benoit is cool.
Cena is a fantastic talker. Shits on Benoit on the mic.
Rammsteinmad
05-15-2007, 10:20 AM
True, but Benoit's in-ring skills are better than Cena's mic skills imo.
Kane Knight
05-15-2007, 10:20 AM
You mean, "makes poop jokes about Benoit on the mic."
Zeeboe
05-15-2007, 10:59 AM
Sure the man can't make it as a main eventer. I mean there was never a case in which the biggest wrestling in pro wrestling was an amazing in-ring performer and had crappy mic skills...
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Bret Hart had good mic skills. Are you insane? Did you not see his heel work in 1997?
Theo Dious
05-15-2007, 11:40 AM
Bret Hart had good mic skills. Are you insane? Did you not see his heel work in 1997?
Yeah, it takes mad skills to get over as a heel by railing against America. Ludvig Borga pulled it off, for fuck's sake.
DAMN iNATOR
05-15-2007, 11:48 AM
Yeah, it takes mad skills to get over as a heel by railing against America. Ludvig Borga pulled it off, for fuck's sake.
Yeah, so I guess this means Hassan must have had “mad skills” at speaking also, since he’s another guy who loved to rail against America at any chance he got, even though he supposedly “lives” here:roll: ...
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Better Than You
05-15-2007, 11:52 AM
Man was Hassan awesome.
Dorkchop
05-15-2007, 12:36 PM
Man Daivari was awesome.
Dorkchop
05-15-2007, 12:38 PM
Seriously, I loved Daivari when he was managing Hassan
Man Daivari was awesome.
Danny Electric offered Daivari as a potential manager for Benoit when I discussed this topic with him last night.
Stickman
05-15-2007, 01:07 PM
I agree. Benoit never captured my interest as the Champ.
Zeeboe
05-15-2007, 02:48 PM
Yeah, it takes mad skills to get over as a heel by railing against America. Ludvig Borga pulled it off, for fuck's sake.
Ludbig Borga was a flavor of the month. Bret Hart was the number one bad guy in the company in 1997 so he was clearly doing something right. I think it's because Bret wasn't pretending to be some cheesy character. He was being real and said how he truly felt and that is what made him do so well on the mic.
I read The Stone Cold Truth for the first time recently and Austin talks about how things should go back to the old days where nothing was scripted and wrestlers had to come up with their own stuff to say. It made it more real that way and made the shows more entertaining in my view as well.
Theo Dious
05-15-2007, 03:01 PM
...Austin talks about how things should go back to the old days where nothing was scripted and wrestlers had to come up with their own stuff to say.
...and every so often someone pulled a gun...
Sorry, Austin, not everyone is as great as you are at making shit up as they go. That's not being snide, that's just truth. Some guys have to be more scripted than others.
Kane Knight
05-15-2007, 04:25 PM
Yeah, it takes mad skills to get over as a heel by railing against America. Ludvig Borga pulled it off, for fuck's sake.
Anyone can pull it off. Even the Con Man. And he's vanilla.
lol
It' spread to a 2nd thread!!
AdrianM
05-15-2007, 09:56 PM
I really don't see why ppl lambast benoit's mic skills. I mean, they really aren't that bad.
As a heel, Benoit just has to rub his hands together and talk about breaking someones neck, and he's over.
Even as a face, his mic skills r ok
AdrianM
05-15-2007, 10:02 PM
Fuck Michael Haynes. Benoit is cool.
Altho i don't agree with michaels Hayes on this one, I still gotta say he has really made smackdown great again (no i didn't see the so called catastrophe last week)
Mr. Nerfect
05-16-2007, 03:53 AM
Cena is a fantastic talker. Shits on Benoit on the mic.
Cena's promos are always shit.
Benoit is underrated in the mic skills department. His stuff with Orlando Jordan was hilarious. And all he needs to do is to say "I'm going to make you squeal like the bitch you are," and it's done. Nothing flashy, but it doesn't need to be.
And Daivari would make a damn fine manager for Benoit. Just have him approach Benoit and talk about how he wants to market Chris to an international audience, so he begins talking about how Chris Benoit is the best wrestler in the world in Farsi.
Mr. Nerfect
05-16-2007, 04:01 AM
Looking over that Muhammad Hassan promo, he actually did come off as a heel. Everyone used to talk about him being face material, but I think he makes a perfect heel. The best heels (at least to me), and the ones who have a damn good point, but you still want to say "but" to. Hassan was demanding things, being aggressive, etc. That behaviour leans more towards the heel side.
That was truly an awesome character.
I still wished they had made Daivari more of a bad-ass during their run, though. I remember Jerry Lawler vs. Muhammad Hassan, where Lawler chased Daivari. That was shit. When Lawler got in Daivari's face, Khosrow should have slapped the bitch down.
Theo Dious
05-16-2007, 08:41 AM
...where Lawler chased Daivari. That was shit. When Lawler got in Daivari's face, Khosrow should have slapped the bitch down.
It's kinda sad, because Lawler was once an edgy, dangerous sort of heel that would fuck you up, but these days, if Lillian Garcia didn't slap him like a bitch in that situation, I wouldn't be able to accept it.
tucsonspeed6
05-16-2007, 11:19 AM
I guess Benoit doesn't have those mic skills that are most important. Like walking to the ring in slow motion or being able to roll his eyes back into his head.
Corkscrewed
05-16-2007, 03:04 PM
If mic skills determine main eventness, why is Khali feuding with Cena?
Theo Dious
05-16-2007, 03:09 PM
Cause RAGUARAGGGHHHHRRRAWWWRRRRR that's why.
Corkscrewed
05-17-2007, 05:25 PM
Oh. Pffft.. duh. How could I forget that?? :nono:
Kane Knight
05-17-2007, 05:33 PM
If mic skills determine main eventness, why is Khali feuding with Cena?
The IWC has a gay crush on him. So he's been elevated solely to be jobbed out.
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