WWECW...while the final chapter hasn't been written, it looks like it.

[BigDaddyCool]

While the final chapter of ECW or WWECW hasn't been written yet, it seems like it is only a matter of time before it goes up in a puff of smoke. Did it ever really have a chance or was it doomed from the get go. If it wasn't who do you blame? Vince? Paul Heyman? Van Dam? Kurt Angle?

Discuss.

[Jeritron]

It has no signs of ending at any point in time. Why, cuz the originals are gonna be all gone?
They're gonna continue to use it as they are. How long is their TV deal? Because that's how long it will last.
It's part of Smackdown tapings, and the whole thing can't be costing enough money to be losing money.

I don't blame anyone anyways. It never proclaimed to be or should have been expected to be anything more or less than it has.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Vince just set it up so he could knock it down and piss off fans of the original ECW. End of story.

[BigDaddyCool]

It has no signs of ending at any point in time. Why, cuz the originals are gonna be all gone?
They're gonna continue to use it as they are. How long is their TV deal? Because that's how long it will last.
It's part of Smackdown tapings, and the whole thing can't be costing enough money to be losing money.

I don't blame anyone anyways. It never proclaimed to be or should have been expected to be anything more or less than it has.

Well, I guess I figured it was going to die because it has been talked about a lot, and with Sabu gone and Sandman soon to follow, it seems like it ready to die any minute, plus the matches aren't anything like ECW matches in any sense.

[Shaggy]

I had hopes for it...but knew it would go down the drain the minute Kurt Angle moved to it....That pissed me off horribly...

Now its just pure wattered down ECW...when the Originals leave...its gonna officially become just watered down crap...the name of ECW will forever be ruined and now the greatness that was ECW will only be referred to as...Old ECW...or Original ECW

[BigDaddyCool]

I had hopes for it...but knew it would go down the drain the minute Kurt Angle moved to it....That pissed me off horribly...

Now its just pure wattered down ECW...when the Originals leave...its gonna officially become just watered down crap...the name of ECW will forever be ruined and now the greatness that was ECW will only be referred to as...Old ECW...or Original ECW

It is past the point of waterdown. If Paul Heyman was giving ECW special Kool-Aid, WWE has waterdown the Kool-Aid and started adding their Krystal Lite flavors and still passing it off as ECW. If you follow me.

[chrisat928]

If it wasn't called "ECW" no one would care.

[Kane Knight]

Well, I guess I figured it was going to die because it has been talked about a lot, and with Sabu gone and Sandman soon to follow, it seems like it ready to die any minute, plus the matches aren't anything like ECW matches in any sense.

I would imagine it'd be more because of piss poor buyrates and the like. no originals, even not having ECW style matches won't stop it. Lack of support, however, will.

[KayfabeMan]

What DAMN said.

[Jordan]

Nahhh ECW can sustain itself once it gets a new history... Its clear this is now Heymans ECW, its just the name of the 3rd brand, which I am all for. It just needs to get better, and its heading there.

[Juan]

I think I'll start blaming people when ECW is actually scrapped...

[Shaggy]

It is past the point of waterdown. If Paul Heyman was giving ECW special Kool-Aid, WWE has waterdown the Kool-Aid and started adding their Krystal Lite flavors and still passing it off as ECW. If you follow me.

now with Splenda...

[Blitz]

plus the matches aren't anything like ECW matches in any sense.
Been like that since the beginning.

[Theo Dious]

It is past the point of waterdown. If Paul Heyman was giving ECW special Kool-Aid, WWE has waterdown the Kool-Aid and started adding their Krystal Lite flavors and still passing it off as ECW. If you follow me.

Comparing the new ECW to Krystal Light is insulting to Krystal Light.

[Better Than You]

ECW has been nothing but a success. Velocity never pulled such numbers.

[James Steele]

If you didn't expect ECW: The Brand to be ECW then you will realize it is a good show (not great). I never expected this to be the true relaunch of ECW. They used the ECW name to get instant brand recognition and it worked. They are slowly moving away from needing the "Old ECW" attached to it. Eventually, the WWECW will truly be a "new breed unleashed".

[Crossrine]

Originally posted by DAMN iNATOR

Vince just set it up so he could knock it down and piss off fans of the original ECW. End of story

[Kane Knight]

If you didn't expect ECW: The Brand to be ECW then you will realize it is a good show (not great). I never expected this to be the true relaunch of ECW. They used the ECW name to get instant brand recognition and it worked. They are slowly moving away from needing the "Old ECW" attached to it. Eventually, the WWECW will truly be a "new breed unleashed".

More like, "meet the new breed, same as the old breed."

[Rammsteinmad]

Gotta agree with JamesSteele. I expect this time next year all the originals will be gone and the brand will have a different name altogether.

[OverTaker]

Gotta agree with JamesSteele. I expect this time next year all the originals will be gone and the brand will have a different name altogether.

Whats that? TERROR TUESDAY?

[Theo Dious]

It's going to be called Tuesday Night STFU and every match will feature John Cena.

[Kane Knight]

I vote for WWE Hardcore Heat.

[Theo Dious]

I was always disappointed that WWE 24/7 wasn't a revival of the HC title. A channel that had a camera on the champion 24/7; you could tune in and find out what he was doing at any moment.

Though Hardcore Heat could be a similar concept; an hour-long show that shows you an overview of how the champion spent his week, and what challenges he had to fend off.

[BigDaddyCool]

I was always disappointed that WWE 24/7 wasn't a revival of the HC title. A channel that had a camera on the champion 24/7; you could tune in and find out what he was doing at any moment.

Though Hardcore Heat could be a similar concept; an hour-long show that shows you an overview of how the champion spent his week, and what challenges he had to fend off.

That is so retarded it is funny.

[Theo Dious]

I was thinking it was so retarded that they might actually do it.

[Kane Knight]

I was always disappointed that WWE 24/7 wasn't a revival of the HC title. A channel that had a camera on the champion 24/7; you could tune in and find out what he was doing at any moment.

Though Hardcore Heat could be a similar concept; an hour-long show that shows you an overview of how the champion spent his week, and what challenges he had to fend off.

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[BigDaddyCool]

I was thinking it was so retarded that they might actually do it.

:rofl:

[Rammsteinmad]

It'll just be called "On Sci-Fi". :shifty:

[Kane Knight]

It'll just be called "On Sci-Fi". :shifty:

Come to think of it, the New BReed struck me as a bad superhero team.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Whats that? TERROR TUESDAY?

Yeah, and that'll be WWE's weekly mid-week PPV event...:shifty:

[JJT420]

I cant think of anything better to watch at 10 on a Tuesday..wait...its Tuesday?!...FUCK IM MISSING THE SHIELD!.....

[Pepsi Man]

It had some potential at first. Keeping ECW rules at least gave it its own identity against Raw and SmackDown!, and having guys like Kurt Angle, Rob Van Dam, Sabu, and the Big Show (say what you want about any of them, but they were fairly big stars, even if Sabu more or less only had a cult following) helped...but before long, none of the "ECW guys" were even really featured.

[Kane Knight]

It had some potential at first. Keeping ECW rules at least gave it its own identity against Raw and SmackDown!, and having guys like Kurt Angle, Rob Van Dam, Sabu, and the Big Show (say what you want about any of them, but they were fairly big stars, even if Sabu more or less only had a cult following) helped...but before long, none of the "ECW guys" were even really featured.

Heyman's KAYFABE argument about the new ECW actually made i make sense for a while, too. Because ECW was about a lot of things, not just hardcore and garbage matches.

The problem is, the old ECW had a reputation, had something distinct. It was full of gems, if you sifted through the shit. And there was shit. And we accept that. And so on. The "new ECW" doesn't really offer the diversity Heyman said, which was KAYFABE, but still accurate about the real ECW.

ECW on Sci Fi reminds me of the rest of WWE. The Rpoduction value seems a bit lower for that "oldschool" feel, but it's just another case of "meet the new hoss...Same as the old Hoss."

[Anybody Thrilla]

I dunno guys, I like ECW right now.

[Sephiroth]

They should have just brought back WCW.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Don't be ridiculous.

[DarKCentaur]

They should have just brought back WCW.

They did. It's on Thursday nights at 10 on SpikeTV

[Rammsteinmad]

They play WCW replays? Or is this some joke that I don't get.

[Anybody Thrilla]

TNA. He's talking about TNA.

[Rammsteinmad]

Oh right. Thanks. :o

[NeanderCarl]

ECW will survive until the day Sci-Fi cancels it.

Even then, if they can cut another deal with another network, it will continue.

It's basically a televised feeder group anyway. I don't know why they don't just throw OVW on TV instead, or do a similar deal with ECW where they let an outside company run it, and simply give suggestions for who to push. It's the only way to get something different on WWE TV. Everything is coming from the same mindset. Which ever way you climb to the top of the mountain, the view is always the same. They need a different mountain with a different view.

[NeanderCarl]

As I said many moons ago in a long dead thread...

It's like... if McDonald's decided to open a new chain, called McDonald's 2. They throw a McDonald's 2 in every major town and city around the world. It's just a few doors away from the original McDonald's outlet, the menu is virtually identical and the prices are exactly the same. If you didn't like McDonald's, you're not going to bother trying out McDonald's 2. If you did like McDonald's, what is there to attract you to McDonald's 2 that is any different to McDonald's 1?

So now McDonald's announces another new brand... McDonald's 3! At first it sounds exciting... new recipes from around the world... some new twists on some old favorites... a cornucopia of previously unseen culinary treats. New customers show up to try this new fangled McDonald's 3. People who can't stand McDonald's think they will try out McDonald's 3 as it is fresh, new and different. Takings aren't as high as McDonald's 1 and 2, but their product is reaching a different kind of customer, and word of mouth is starting to increase. As the weeks go by, the new items slowly begin to disappear from the menu, as do the new customers. In a few weeks, the menu at McDonald's 3 looks exactly the same as the menu at McDonald's 1 and 2. They are competing with each other, but with the same product at the same prices. It doesn't make any fucking sense. Why open a third burger bar when they could have made this one a fried chicken place? After all, they already have two burger chains.

And if WWE does insist on having a third brand identical to Raw and SmackDown, don't have the audacity to call your diluted third brand EXTREME Championship Wrestling, you fucking morons. All it serves to do is make your lame, tame Tuesday programming look hypocritical and laughable, and further alienate the original ECW fans who probably haven't watched a mainstream wrestling promotion since 2001.... you know, the lapsed wrestling fans you should be trying to win back by offering chicken instead of more burgers, you business geniuses, you.

[Pepsi Man]

Heyman's KAYFABE argument about the new ECW actually made i make sense for a while, too. Because ECW was about a lot of things, not just hardcore and garbage matches.

The problem is, the old ECW had a reputation, had something distinct. It was full of gems, if you sifted through the shit. And there was shit. And we accept that. And so on. The "new ECW" doesn't really offer the diversity Heyman said, which was KAYFABE, but still accurate about the real ECW.

ECW on Sci Fi reminds me of the rest of WWE. The Rpoduction value seems a bit lower for that "oldschool" feel, but it's just another case of "meet the new hoss...Same as the old Hoss."
I'm not saying the original ECW didn't have diversity. I guess I was more or less saying that what we are getting is nothing diverse, really.

[Kane Knight]

I wasn't arguing that you said that. I was merely pointing out the difference between ECW and the "New ECW."

Honestly, I can't find a single thing in that that would indicate an argumentative stance.

But then, that seems to be a trend. I agree with someone, they seem to infer the exact opposite. :wtf:

[Pepsi Man]

I wasn't arguing that you said that. I was merely pointing out the difference between ECW and the "New ECW."

Honestly, I can't find a single thing in that that would indicate an argumentative stance.

But then, that seems to be a trend. I agree with someone, they seem to infer the exact opposite. :wtf:
There are a lot of different people around here, some of which can't seem to comprehend even a simple sentence, so I just wanted to make sure we were being clear enough.

[Kane Knight]

After dealing with Alienoid, I completely understand. :D

[Batsu]

Vince.

Resurrecting ECW beyond that first PPV wasn't the best idea in the world.
There's little difference now between ECW and the other 2 brands.
Then you factor in the whole thing about banned moves, Joey Styles on a short leash, WWE's recent trend of making "gimmicks" that they own (Marcus Cor Von = PB&J)...and calling this new show "ECW" was pretty much a bad idea.

Even calling it "WCW" would have been a bad idea.

ECW should only exist in DVDs showing the original and what not.

Especially in a time where WWE's pushing of John Cena with no heir apparent has made their main brand unwatchable for the duration.