The injury bug hits Raw

[KingofOldSchool]

Dave Meltzer is reporting today that Shawn Michaels has a blown out knee. HBK missed last nights house show and is going to try to gut it out tomorrow night at Judgment Day.

This injury is considered serious. This is absolutely terrible news for WWE as there have been a ton of top name injuries as of late.

More details shortly.
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YAY we might get to see an extended Khali/Cena feud.

[Kane Knight]

That's about the only reason Raw's been enjoyable.

[KayfabeMan]

WoW.

Now if only McMahon could blow his brains, uh, knees out.

:shifty:

[Crossrine]

Originally posted by KayfabeMan
WoW.

Now if only McMahon could blow his brains, uh, knees out.

Well he did destroy his legs once walking to the ring so hopefully he'll overthink something and lead to his brai-, I mean knees, blowing out

[Kane Knight]

His knees are shit after all that deep throating.

...Oh, come on, like Triple H has gone down on a guy since Chyna....

[St. Jimmy]

So we lost Taker and HBK (Since Lashley and Kennedys' injuries weren't anything really). Triple H will just have to push up his return.

[Kane Knight]

You think Trips can carry the company on those quads?

[KayfabeMan]

Triple H will just have to do push ups, and blow his leg out, halting his return.

:y:

[Shaggy]

What about Kevin Nash?....I mean...

This really sucks...Orton Vs HBK was the one match at Judgement Day that I thought would still the show...sucks now that HBK wont be at 100%...

On a plus side...maybe Shawn will be out now untill Trips can return...can you imagine the crowd reaction if both members of DX returned at the same time...

[Mercury Bullet]

Think, if they still had Scotty 2 Hotty this would be the PERFECT time to push him to the moon!




:shifty:

[Mercury Bullet]

Maybe this will make WWE go after Jericho a little harder though....I can hope.

[Kane Knight]

Think you got that backwards. Trips will be returning before Michaels, if Shawn really blew out his knee.

[Kane Knight]

Think, if they still had Scotty 2 Hotty this would be the PERFECT time to push him to the moon!




:shifty:

A shame he's going to be HUGE in TNA!

[Mercury Bullet]

^ Yup, HBK is looking at 8-10 mnths on the shelf. If not longer.

[Mercury Bullet]

A shame he's going to be HUGE in TNA!

I know I bet WWE is really kicking themselves now!

Especially cause next week on Impact! Hotty comes out and headbutts Angle and they brawl all over the arena for 45 minutes. Ratings are going to be through the ROOF!

[Kane Knight]

I know I bet WWE is really kicking themselves now!

Especially cause next week on Impact! Hotty comes out and headbutts Angle and they brawl all over the arena for 45 minutes. Ratings are going to be through the ROOF!
And when RVD comes in, they're going to feud for 9 months, culminating at next year's Slamaversery in an epic 60 minute Iron Man Xtreme match. Insert Alieonoid Spazzout Here.

[Volare]

Heh...let's see if the WWE has the balls to actually push someone.

[KingofOldSchool]

I have a feeling Booker T will make his return to Raw when he comes back from his injury in the next month or so.

[Kane Knight]

That'd be great. A guy who peaked on Nitro as a Main Eventer on the flagship show.

[FourFifty]

I know I bet WWE is really kicking themselves now!

Especially cause next week on Impact! Hotty comes out and headbutts Angle and they brawl all over the arena for 45 minutes. Ratings are going to be through the ROOF!

It'll go from Nada to Nada.5.

[Jordan]

UMAGAAAAA WILL TAKE OVER RAWWWWWWW

[IC Champion]

This is bad news as RAW was barely enjoyable as it was.

[Shaggy]

For some reason im visioning that movie "Varsity Blues" in my head...

That scene where the doc is injecting steroids or what ever it was into that players leg just so he could play...

Except in this case its McMahon yelling at HBK to suck it up and get out there while the Doc is injecting him...

[Rammsteinmad]

If the WWE actually pushed a few people now and again we wouldn't have this problem.

Shelton Benjamin, Charlie Haas, Carlito... Why aren't these guys in the main event yet? Especially Carlito... :nono:

[Kane Knight]

Haas doesn't have "it."

Shelton fucks up. A lot. Especially every time he's in a push.

And Carlito? Don't even know where to start.

I like all three, but are you backing the wrong horses here.

[NeanderCarl]

Haas doesn't have "it."

Shelton fucks up. A lot. Especially every time he's in a push.

And Carlito? Don't even know where to start.

I like all three, but are you backing the wrong horses here.

Spot on, really.

I can't really think of anyone active that they can "give the ball to" right now. They'll probably just bring JBL out of retirement for a while. I don't believe the Hardys have what it takes, Finlay is a solid mid carder but not a title threat... maybe MVP but it's very soon for him. Johnny Nitro is buried, Striker is too small, Monty Brown is saddled with a shitty name and gimmick, C.M. Punk is too 'frowned upon', Sandman has no chance, Umaga is on a downward spiral... it's hard to imagine who is going to fill all these voids at the top of the card... other than the tried and tested monster approach.

[Fox]

So......

Time to move CM Punk up to RAW, eh?

[D Mac]

ORTON

[Mr. Nerfect]

Haas doesn't have "it."

Shelton fucks up. A lot. Especially every time he's in a push.

And Carlito? Don't even know where to start.

I like all three, but are you backing the wrong horses here.

I personally think Haas would make a great guy to push. Maybe not immediately to the main event, but when he originally returned, it would have been great if they put him in a feud with Shelton Benjamin and gave him Ric Flair as a manager. The guy has a "nice guy; can kick ass" vibe about him, and I think he could become something down the line.

Shelton fucks up sometimes, yeah, but it's usually when he's not being pushed. His stuff when he first showed up on RAW, and right through until his heel turn was pretty consistent stuff. I don't know why the WWE turned him heel.

Carlito is another guy who is pretty damn solid when he's playing a heel role. As a face he is extrememly underrated by people, though. The WWE just didn't know what to do with him. If they had a credible heel he could have feuded with, things may have gone better. But he's a heel now and he can continue to make the climb.

While I don't think any of the three should be main eventers at present, I think it is more the WWE being completely incapable of making something of its available talent (which is why I don't understand people tend to focus on TNA being the one's unable to create stars), rather than the limitations of Haas, Benjamin or Carlito.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I would call off the match between Shawn Michaels and Randy Orton. Just have Orton take out HBK with a steel chair before the match (playng up his concussion), and make him look like a dick. Then there is a reason for Shawn Michaels and Randy Orton to have a match after HBK takes some time off.

The WWE has plenty of matches which could take the place of HBK/Orton, which was the whole point of this tri-branded thing, wasn't it? Injuries made the cards weaker, so they have a constant pool of talent? Meh, I don't expect the WWE to remember that. I mean, just look at the matches they have set up that could go in place of HBK vs. Orton:

* The Hardys vs. Lance Cade & Trevor Murdoch for the World Tag Team Championship
* Deuce & Domino vs. Paul London & Brian Kendrick for the WWE Tag Team Championship
* Chavo Guerrero vs. Jimmy Wang Yang for the WWE Cruiserweight Championship
* Melina vs. Candice Michelle for the WWE Women's Championship

Being the mark for them that I am, I'd love to see London & Kendrick recapture the WWE Tag Team Titles at Judgment Day, the event where they originally lost them. Seeing as Orton and HBK probably would have been given twenty minutes or so, you can probably squeeze two smaller matches in its place. Throw on Chavo Guerrero vs. Jimmy Wang Yang, and continue to build to The Hardys vs. Cade & Murdoch. Most WWE PPVs end twenty minutes early, so they could probably fit all four on if they wanted, anyway.

They really shouldn't push Shawn Michaels, as he is the best thing they have going on RAW right now. I wouldn't have made the match anyway, as Orton is being a cock, and probably shouldn't be given the chance to earn a PPV payday.

[RP]

define " blowing out his knee "

[Impeccable]

HBK was one of the only reasons I watched Raw...

I would hope WWE would push for Jericho, but if they really need stars on Raw, I would hope Benoit would get moved over....and if JBL really is ready to wrestle again, have him make a comeback on smackdown or something (even though I really like him as a commentator).

[NeanderCarl]

Wouldn't surprise me to see Mysterio moved over to the red brand. I think he's one of the only top tier guys to have never switched brands.

[Pepsi Man]

No wonder they mentioned "the match may be changed" on SmackDown!, mentioning Orton's attack as the alleged reason.

[Xero]

Randy Orton vs. One Leg Hunter

[Pepsi Man]

Randy Orton vs. One Leg Hunter
hmmm, what if they splice Triple H and Shawn Michaels into one, since they each have a good leg?

[Ninti the Mad]

JOHNNY NITRO TIME

[Xero]

hmmm, what if they splice Triple H and Shawn Michaels into one, since they each have a good leg?
HHHBK?

[KingofOldSchool]

JOHNNY NITRO TIME

They'd probably push Val Venis before Nitro.

[Xero]

So Val's going to be pushed in a dark match before Nitro?

:shifty:

[Kane Knight]

I personally think Haas would make a great guy to push.

Which is more or less an indication that he would never be taken seriously by the WWE or wrestling fans en generale.

Yes, I know. He's a solid worker, he's got good moves and he could look credible--If you're scouting based on athletics. but that doesn't mean much in a soap opera where some of the best known wrestlers have a moveset that can be counted on one hand--Even if you've lost a couple of fingers in a bizarre barn-raising accident.

[NeanderCarl]

Who lost a couple of fingers?

[Kane Knight]

The literal bug strikes TPWW.

[Anybody Thrilla]

C'mon Carl, get with the program.

[The MAC]

SHAWN MICHAELS : I lost my smile...again

[Nark Order]

Oh Sweet. Good thing HBK beat the World Heavyweight Champion in a non-title match on RAW then... :shifty:

[NeanderCarl]

It doesn't make sense, though. The whole barn raising reference is lost on me.

[Vastardikai]

SHAWN MICHAELS : I lost my smile...again

As much as I hate Orton, I bet Michaels heard that Orton was going over...

Wouldn't be the first time he faked an injury to not put someone over. (See Hart, Bret; Douglas, Dean)

Based on rep alone, they should show MRI pictures or something.

[NeanderCarl]

As much as I hate Orton, I bet Michaels heard that Orton was going over...

Wouldn't be the first time he faked an injury to not put someone over. (See Hart, Bret; Douglas, Dean)

Based on rep alone, they should show MRI pictures or something.

He didn't fake an injury to get out of losing to Dean Douglas, he was genuinely assaulted in Syracuse, NY. In his book he claims he wanted to keep working, but WWE refused to allow him to. Mind you, who knows whether Shawn "The Truth" Michaels was being... truthful.

[Skippord]

define " blowing out his knee "
It literally exploded

[Mr. Nerfect]

I want this match to be called off in the baddest way. Just have Edge attack Orton with a steel chair in the back early on the show, and have him get some of his heat back for his non-title loss. Have Edge scream about how now it's him that's lost his smile, but he's not going to run and hide, he's going to take it out on all that stand against him.

In its place, have Deuce & Domino vs. Paul London & Brian Kendrick, which should be the opening match of the night. They've already confirmed The Hardys vs. Lance Cade & Trevor Murdoch, so that will take things up to eight matches.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Which is more or less an indication that he would never be taken seriously by the WWE or wrestling fans en generale.

Yes, I know. He's a solid worker, he's got good moves and he could look credible--If you're scouting based on athletics. but that doesn't mean much in a soap opera where some of the best known wrestlers have a moveset that can be counted on one hand--Even if you've lost a couple of fingers in a bizarre barn-raising accident.

Yeah, there's no doubt that Haas is "too good" for the modern WWE landscape, but in a perfect WWE, there would be room for a push for a worker like Haas.

[Kane Knight]

I'm not sure what constitutes a perfect WWE in your eyes, but I'm not seeing him pushed in any reality in which WWE is still a televised show.

[The One]

So basically the only thing left in pro wrestling for me is to listen to SmackDown commentary and catch the NASH segments on YouTube.

What a wonderful era for me as a fan. :|

[NeanderCarl]

So basically the only thing left in pro wrestling for me is to listen to SmackDown commentary and catch the NASH segments on YouTube.

What a wonderful era for me as a fan. :|

Maybe you can learn to love... Umaga?

Sorry, I'm sick.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm not sure what constitutes a perfect WWE in your eyes, but I'm not seeing him pushed in any reality in which WWE is still a televised show.

Charlie Haas being pushed would not sink the WWE.

[The One]

Charlie Haas being pushed would not sink the WWE.

Well it's be great for you seeing as how you and Haas' mom would be the only fans...they'd have to adjust the show to suit your taste a little...

...so long as that didn't include making Cena drop the belt. :shifty:

[Kane Knight]

Charlie Haas being pushed would not sink the WWE.

Didn't say it would.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Didn't say it would.

Didn't you imply that a WWE with Charlie Haas getting a push wouldn't exist on a televised WWE?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Well it's be great for you seeing as how you and Haas' mom would be the only fans...they'd have to adjust the show to suit your taste a little...

...so long as that didn't include making Cena drop the belt. :shifty:

I'm sure Shelton Benjamin, Mamma Benjamin, Miss Jackie and Rico would watch, too.

[Kane Knight]

I stated that I couldn't see Haas pushed in any WWE that was still on television.

[Kane Knight]

I'm sure Shelton Benjamin, Mamma Benjamin, Miss Jackie and Rico would watch, too.

And me. We're still a couple away from a Baker's Dozen, though.

[fondoffilm]

Rico ought to come back. Isn't he a cop now?

[Theo Dious]

So Val's going to job to Umaga before Nitro jobs to Cena?

:shifty::shifty:

[Kane Knight]

Rico ought to come out.

[Vastardikai]

He didn't fake an injury to get out of losing to Dean Douglas, he was genuinely assaulted in Syracuse, NY. In his book he claims he wanted to keep working, but WWE refused to allow him to. Mind you, who knows whether Shawn "The Truth" Michaels was being... truthful.


I would go with that, except for the following:

1. The Raw before that PPV, there was a six man between Micheals, Diesel, and Undertaker vs. Bulldog, Yokozuna, and Mabel. 2 major events happened in that match: Taker's face got "squished" by Yoko and Mabel doing repeated leg drops was the remembered one, as it lead to Taker getting a cool ass mask. The forgotten one involved Dean Douglas giving Shawn Micheals a Hot Shot onto the Steel Steps. Syracuse incident "Happened" after that. (In fact, they showed that attack on Raw, when it happened, on Superstars and one more of the weekend shows, followed by NEVER SHOWING IT AGAIN.)

2. The amount of people involved in that attack has changed on more than one occasion. (I've heard about 3 different numbers, at least.)

3. The fact that the match became Douglas-Ramon, Ramon went over. Micheals comes out looking like gold because he didn't have to actually get pinned or be forced to submit to lose it (this has actually happened numerous times in Shawn's career.) Ramon comes out looking good because he wins the Intercontinental Title again. The only one who looks like a bitch is... wait for it... Dean Douglas. (circumstancial evidence, but something that makes Clique guys look good and non-Clique guys look bad? Get Out of Here!)

4. Given what has come after that, I wouldn't doubt that it was a fabrication to get him out of not putting over Douglas. (More circumstancial than anything else, I know.)

Seriously, Syracuse Incident is almost as controversial as Montreal, now that I think about it. I'll be the first to admit I'm an asshole, but I call that incident a fabrication. Now, I'm not defending Shane Douglas by any means, as he has utterly fucked himself over time and again. This is, however, one of the few times he actually has a point.

[Stickman]

I missed Raw last night and totally forgot. Did i miss anything.

[Mooияakeя™]

Kennedy.

He ain't as battered as peeps thought is he?

Film the vigi's, and bring him to RAW. Let him wreak havok. Stone Cold #2. Don't give a fuck, let him run his way. He'll get the job done.